Re: [marketing] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread Peter Junge 
Hi Eric,

On 02/19/2011 03:41 PM, eric b wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For your information :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017
> 
> Linux ARM is extremely promising for the future, and imho it worth to
> improve it asap.

Thanks a lot. It's great to see EducOOo as a contributer to the ARM port.

One general note about the discussion that had emerged in the following.
Interpreting Eric's subject line can range from a single line of code to
the whole ARM port, if interpretation comes deliberately without
considering the context. Please, a majority of contributers on this list
are not native speakers of English, which always poses the risk of
ambiguity. This happens to almost everyone now and again. I'm happy to
see, that the issue has been resolved in a calm discussion on IRC.

Best regards,
Peter

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[marketing] Re: [dev] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread eric b 


Le 19 févr. 11 à 13:51, Rene Engelhard a écrit :


On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 08:41:43AM +0100, eric b wrote:

Hi,




Hi René,



For your information :
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017


"EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port" makes it sound you did  
the port.

Wrong.



What is wrong ?

Yes, a code for the ARM port has been donated, and I added, by  
EducOOo, because I mostly work for EducOOo.



But the important fact, is I'm proud to donate code to  
OpenOffice.org : since years, Sun engineers, never refused to help  
me, and I honestly think what I propose will help.
And I never wrote I did the port. But writing the assembler part does  
really concern porting.



Anyway, the current port is sub-optimal, and I wonder why you react  
so violently ?




Stop your propaganda, please.



Wow ..  :-)


This is not propaganda : I spent 3 weeks to discover the BeagleBoard,  
and several day to learn how things work, the most critical part  
being the current interlock part, I wrote in asembler.
Since I do not want to spend my time with useless discussion, I'll  
copy-paste the IRC discussion we had, to inform people, and show I'm  
not what you described.



To avoid spamming the list with the discussion, please read (in the  
case you are interested :


http://eric.bachard.free.fr/patches/OOo4Kids/linux_arm/ 
log_irc_saturday19feb2011_EducOOo_donated_code.txt




Intreresting you even dropped the correct list from your CCs  
(dev@porting). What does

marketing to do here instead?




Because I'd like to inform people the ARM port is extremely  
important.  Like I did when I explained Mac OS X port was a 15  
millions of potential users port, some years ago.


And I was right.


Regards,
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Re: [marketing] Re: [dev] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread eric b 

Hi,


Le 19 févr. 11 à 14:02, Tor Lillqvist a écrit :

"EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port" makes it sound you did  
the port.


Me, I didn't understand if EducOOo is the subject or object here...  
(And with issuezilla being down, I couldn't check the link either.)  
Was it donated to EducOOo, or did EducOOo donate it to somebody else?



I do represent EducOOo non profit association, who aims to contribute  
back to OpenOffice.org. And we'll continue until there is a good  
reason to stop.
A copy of the full patch I donated is available at :  http:// 
eric.bachard.free.fr/patches/OOo4Kids/linux_arm/arm_DEV300_m93.diff



Inside this patch, there is something important (and helpfull),  
written in ARM assembler. As discussed with Rene on IRC, define the  
arm target is matter of taste, and I don't care if this code is not  
fully used / ported into OpenOffice.org or elsewhere, the most  
important being the interlck.c part, and the fact people explain do  
not forget to mention I'm the author of the interesting part.



And what does "donate" mean, exactly, in the context of Open Source  
software? Or is this not Open Source?





Oracle - Sun developpers cannot directly reuse even one line of code  
from EducOOo repository (OOo4Kids and OOoLight), "as it". Mainly  
because out of the famous "Oracle Copyright Assignment".
To solve this legal issue, I wrote on IssueZilla, that the code is  
donated to OpenOffice.org, under a compatible license (LGPL v3 for  
instance).  Last, I attached a patch I wrote onto OpenOffice.org IZ.


When I got a complicated questions, Sun-Oracle engineers always  
answer, and help me.  And I appreciate that.

In one word:  yes, this is open source, and free software.


Regards,
Eric Bachard

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Re: [marketing] OOo TV Advert/Commercial

2011-02-19 Thread Stephen Samuel 
Some possible quick scripts:

Two students in a supermarket.  The first one starts emptying his basket,
while the other one stares.
2) So, where did you get the money to shop like that? we both got the same
bursary!
1) Well, where did *you  *spend all of your money?
2) Well, I paid $400 for an office suite so I could use a word processor,
and ...
1) $400? I downloaded Open Office dot org for free!
2) is it as good as the suite I bought?
1) lots of people say it's better!
2) so why didn't you tell me?
1) (embarrassed) I .. though you knew.
(finishes unloading shopping cart)
So, what did you buy?
2) Rice (throws up a 3KG bag)

Overlay " OpenOffice.org   Better computing, better price."

-
2 business executives:

1) So, how do you convince a software behemoth that a  show-stopping bug is
worth fixing?
2) We use OpenOffice.org If it's that important, we can fix it  ourselves.

Overlay:  Openoffice.org -- We put the freedom in 'free'.

---

2 business executives:

1) (collapses on couch) We just spent 3 days on a software audit
2) (lets out laugh) We use OpenOffice dot org.  The licenses are free!
1) (mouth agape)
Overlay:  Openoffice.org  License heaven!


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Craig A. Adams  wrote:

> Hi Rosana, All,
>
> My apologies for the delay in responding, my Internet connection has
> become spotty (read 95% of the time down) of late due to local telco
> cable issues.
>
> On 17 February 2011 13:10, Rosana Ardila  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > This sounds nice, where do you want to air the commercial?
>
> This opportunity is in South Africa. Essentilly the airtime has been
> paid for, but the time slots allocated exceed the run time of the
> current advertising campaign. The slots have been tentatively offered
> to us if we can provide content in time.
>
> >
> > I think a short video explaining OOo is something the marketing project
> really needs.
>
> I am not into television marketing, so I do not know the technical or
> practical aspects here. My thoughts are along the lines of something
> generic which can be reused anywhere with as little
> recreation/reworking as practical.
>
> I feel that the message should be... saying here is OOo, it's free,
> this is what it is, go to www.openoffice.org to download, feel free to
> share. Time permitting mentioning ODF.
>
> [snip]
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[marketing] Re: [dev] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread Tor Lillqvist 
> "EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port" makes it sound you did the port.

Me, I didn't understand if EducOOo is the subject or object here... (And with 
issuezilla being down, I couldn't check the link either.) Was it donated to 
EducOOo, or did EducOOo donate it to somebody else? And what does "donate" 
mean, exactly, in the context of Open Source software? Or is this not Open 
Source?

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[marketing] Re: [dev] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread Rene Engelhard 
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 08:41:43AM +0100, eric b wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For your information :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017

"EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port" makes it sound you did the port.
Wrong. Stop your propaganda, please.

Now to the technical points:

ARM_TARGET=7

ehm, no. *If* you want to set a minimal baseline, use armv4t. Assuming anyone
has the latest and greatest ARM is bogus.

And

+if test "x$with_arm_target" < "x6"
+   thenAC_MSG_RESULT([arm target is armv5 or inferior])
+   ARM_TARGET=5

aha, let's break even more older ARMs...

Intreresting you even dropped the correct list from your CCs (dev@porting). 
What does
marketing to do here instead?
Grüße/Regards,

René

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[marketing] Re: [porting-dev] Re: [dev] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread Rene Engelhard 
Hi,

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 01:51:02PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> ARM_TARGET=7

Oh, and this:

+# Default is armv7 mini. If you build
+# for an older version (could be slow),
+# please adapt to your needs
+
+.IF "$(ARM_TARGET)" == "ARMV6"
+ARCH_FLAGS+=-march=armv6 -mfloat-abi=softfp -D__SOFTFP__
+CDEFS+=-DARMV6
+.ENDIF
+
+.IF "$(ARM_TARGET)" == "ARMV7"
+ARCH_FLAGS+=-march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp 
-D__SOFTFP__
+CDEFS+=-DARMV7
+.ENDIF
+

is broken, too.
*If* you want to optimize for speed, you want hardfp, and IMHO you don't need to
specify -mfloat-abi=softfp -D__SOFTFP__ manually in either case, that's the job 
of your toolchain.

Grüße/Regards,

René

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Re: [marketing] OOo TV Advert/Commercial

2011-02-19 Thread Michael Amicy 
Please confirm if longer time is allowed before I hire talent and start
production.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Rosana Ardila wrote:

>  Craig,
>
> Could the sponsor wait, until Michael has the commercial ready?
>
> Michael,
>
> would the due date and the time be enough to start a call on the more
> creative requirements?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Regards,
> Rosana
>
> On 2/19/11 1:37 AM, Michael Amicy wrote:
>
> The beginning of March is way too soon for us to complete a very good 10
> second and 30 second video commercial ad. Can you provide me with a hard due
> date further out.  Thank you.
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Craig A. Adams  
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Hi All,
>
> On 18 February 2011 09:27, Craig A. Adams  
>  wrote:
>
>
>  This opportunity is in South Africa. Essentilly the airtime has been
> paid for, but the time slots allocated exceed the run time of the
> current advertising campaign. The slots have been tentatively offered
> to us if we can provide content in time.
>
>  I have spoken with the sponsor this morning and the time slots start
> at the beginning of March.
>
> Technical info... MOV file format. That's Quicktime I think.
>
> Kindest Regards
>
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Re: [marketing] EducOOo donated code for ARM Linux port

2011-02-19 Thread Ian Lynch 
On 19 February 2011 07:41, eric b  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For your information :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=117017
>
> Linux ARM is extremely promising for the future, and imho it worth to
> improve it asap.
>

Why is MS porting Windows to ARM? - There is at least a significant chance
that as mobile technologies move up into the desktop and laptop space, ARM
designs will largely displace x86 as the standard for general purpose
computing. ARM is licensed to multiple manufacturers and is significantly
more efficient in terms of energy needed per software transaction. ARM core
designs integrate well with other chip designs eg Nvidia graphics etc. and
are low cost to manufacture. Multiple ARM cores will fit on small bits of
silicon. The ARM designers had very little money so they built something
simple and efficient. This gives it competitive advantage over x86
particularly but not only in mobile markets. Unless Intel license Atom
designs to other manufacturers and improve those designs quite a lot, they
are not going to compete in this market in the longer term. Interesting
times ahead.

Thanks,
> Eric Bachard
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Re: [marketing] OOo TV Advert/Commercial

2011-02-19 Thread Rosana Ardila 


  
  
Craig, 

Could the sponsor wait, until Michael has the commercial ready?

Michael, 

would the due date and the time be enough to start a call on the
more creative requirements? 

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Rosana
On 2/19/11 1:37 AM, Michael Amicy wrote:

  The beginning of March is way too soon for us to complete a very good 10
second and 30 second video commercial ad. Can you provide me with a hard due
date further out.  Thank you.

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Craig A. Adams  wrote:


  
Hi All,

On 18 February 2011 09:27, Craig A. Adams  wrote:



  This opportunity is in South Africa. Essentilly the airtime has been
paid for, but the time slots allocated exceed the run time of the
current advertising campaign. The slots have been tentatively offered
to us if we can provide content in time.



I have spoken with the sponsor this morning and the time slots start
at the beginning of March.

Technical info... MOV file format. That's Quicktime I think.

Kindest Regards

Craig A. Adams

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