[marketing-dev] Re: Team OpenOffice
There was a page conformed by the memebers of team openoffice.org http://www.teamopenoffice.de/ however that has no real content and the link cloud is not that great. The donation page list team openoffice.org On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM, WorldLabel.com wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know who is in charge of the funds at Team Openoffice.org? > > I sent funds for a extension contest and then a ALA exhibition, both did > not happen. I would like the funds returned. > > At somepoint when we know the exact direction OOo is going it, would be > happy to help sponsor events again. > > Russell > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
Hi Berhard, all. Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Simon, all, Please make sure that Apache Software Foundation gets notice about the large area of non-coding community in our projects. As far as I know, their meritocratic system is only based on code contribution, so none of the other community members will be able to become part of the OpenOffice Apache project or the Apache community, if they don't change the way they handle contributions. So if you start to be involved in their decision making process, please describe them the broadness of our community. Start here.. http://community.apache.org/contributors/index.html .. Like OOo there is no need to worry anyone can be a contributor. While Rob Weir (IBM) seems to have an interest in dividing the community in a Apache based coding community and a different supporting one (outside Apache, no mention about their infrastructure), I don't think that this should be the way to go. The question of giving up LGPL for the Apache license might be a marketing topic too: As this would allow companies to just take the code and include their patches in their own commercial product only, support of the common code basis might be reduced in future. I see no change as this is seems to be the way it has worked under Sun/Oracle. By special agreement IBM has not returned code to OOo upstream. ... Especially as open source enthusiastic developers (mostly independent or related to Linux distributions) have told us over and over again that they feel exploited by such commercial interests without getting something back... Best regards Bernhard -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
On 2 June 2011 16:42, Gozarks wrote: > Hello again... and thank you (everyone) for keeping this whole > conversation so open and dynamic. As I have been listening, one key > question has evolved for me: Where do I fit in? This because, as > previously noted, I am not a coder... my expertise is marketing... and > I got involved with OOo because I LOVE the applications, am a devout > proponent of 'openness' (in comminication, self-governance, etc.), and > I genuinely appreciate worthwhile opportunities to contribute what I > know in the hopes of somehow 'making the world a better place'. > > That said, and Bernhard having raised the topic of OOo's "large area > of non-coding community," in context of Simon's encouragement that > non-coders who feel they have been significant conributors to OOo > should feel welcome to request inclusion in the Apache incubator > project, please allow me to share the following: > > For starters, I do not consider myself a 'significant contributor' to > OOo, however (and I say this with utmost respect), it seems to me that > this is more of a 'glitch' (or a 'bug' if you will) in 'the management > system' that has been operational in OOo. > > About which I rush to add that I do not see this as the 'fault' of any > one person or group of people but more like a natural and (to some > degree) necessary part of the process of organizational growth and > community development, that may (once identified) be corrected and > improved... much the same way y'all engineer 'patches' to fix bugs in > programs. > > In this regard I would respectfully suggest that the 'bug' I see is > that while OOo has a comprehensive 'marketing' community, as I am > aware of things the vast majority of the folks who are involved with > and make critical decisions about such projects as graphic design, > news release authoring, website design (user interface) and the > development of promotional strategy are not and have never worked as > professionals in any of these fields. > > That is, as I am aware (and please correct me if I am wrong) most of > the folks who are doing this 'marketing' work have vast professional > expertise in coding and the complexities of sophisticated > technological engineering, yet they are 'trying' to do a job > (marketing) which requires an equally sophisticated yet substantively > different set of 'complex engineering skills' and thus things which > should (in terms of state-of-the-art marketing practice) be routinely > done are unknown, trivialized or overlooked. > > And again respectfully, I find this especially true in terms of the > OOo marketing community's (lack of?) a comprehensive plan to > 'outreach' to the non-coding 'end users' of the programs. That is, > every nuance of marketing (promotional materials, conferences, news > releases) that I have been aware of over these past several years has > been dedicated to and focused on 'coders'... which I personally see as > a major glitch because it represents to me a 'disconnect' between the > folks who are 'creating the tool' and the folks who are 'using the > tool' to do work... (even though ALL of you use OOo 'to do work', > respectfully, none of us are 'typical end users'. > > And my major concern about this is that over the long haul the > 'product' will no longer 'meet the needs' of the typical consumer. > > But then hey, like I said, I do not see myself as a significant > contributer to OOo. Just offering a personal perspective... (((hugs))) > ~Christine > Hi Christine, I think it is more complicated. John Mcreesh constructed a very detailed marketing plan - some would say overly so. Some marketing volunteers were technically savvy but by no means all. Some had qualifications/experience in marketing others none. Some marketing initiatives worked well with no budgets others didn't. I understand the point that over-focus on code can lose sight of the fact that the code is not much use if no-one uses it. My own quest has been to try and find a sustainable business model that could generate resources for marketing because at the time there was resource from Sun for developers but not for marketing. Things change. Under Apache I don't see that the situation for resources for marketing will be a lot different. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQ www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Team OpenOffice
Hi Does anyone know who is in charge of the funds at Team Openoffice.org? I sent funds for a extension contest and then a ALA exhibition, both did not happen. I would like the funds returned. At somepoint when we know the exact direction OOo is going it, would be happy to help sponsor events again. Russell -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
Hi Bernhard, I asked about it in the gene...@incubator.apache.org mailing list, where the proposal is being discussed, in the thread "OpenOffice and the ASF" The answers I'm getting are promising. Unfortunately it appears to take a short while before messages are visible in the mailing list archives, so they cannot be read there yet. In any case in Apache there are several prominent members who have never committed a line of code, and it should be no problem to be recognized for contribution that "does not have to be checked in". So if you feel you are a significant contributor to OpenOffice.org in any way you should be welcome to add your name in the table of initial committers. I also recommend subscribing to gene...@incubator.apache.org. Best regards Simon Please make sure that Apache Software Foundation gets notice about the large area of non-coding community in our projects. As far as I know, their meritocratic system is only based on code contribution, so none of the other community members will be able to become part of the OpenOffice Apache project or the Apache community, if they don't change the way they handle contributions. So if you start to be involved in their decision making process, please describe them the broadness of our community. While Rob Weir (IBM) seems to have an interest in dividing the community in a Apache based coding community and a different supporting one (outside Apache, no mention about their infrastructure), I don't think that this should be the way to go. The question of giving up LGPL for the Apache license might be a marketing topic too: As this would allow companies to just take the code and include their patches in their own commercial product only, support of the common code basis might be reduced in future. ... Especially as open source enthusiastic developers (mostly independent or related to Linux distributions) have told us over and over again that they feel exploited by such commercial interests without getting something back... Best regards Bernhard -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
Hi Simon, all, Simon Brouwer schrieb: Op 1-6-2011 23:21, eric b schreef: Hi, Le 1 juin 11 à 22:55, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit : it does not surprise me how fast you were to set up your wiki page http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JZA Feel free to contribute and to create yor page too ! Thanks for the suggestion. I also, following Alexandro's example, boldly added myself to the list of initial committers, if only to indicate my support for the transfer of OpenOffice.org to the ASF (if my contributions are somehow deemed insufficient to merit inclusion in the list, my name can always be removed afterwards :) ). Please make sure that Apache Software Foundation gets notice about the large area of non-coding community in our projects. As far as I know, their meritocratic system is only based on code contribution, so none of the other community members will be able to become part of the OpenOffice Apache project or the Apache community, if they don't change the way they handle contributions. So if you start to be involved in their decision making process, please describe them the broadness of our community. While Rob Weir (IBM) seems to have an interest in dividing the community in a Apache based coding community and a different supporting one (outside Apache, no mention about their infrastructure), I don't think that this should be the way to go. The question of giving up LGPL for the Apache license might be a marketing topic too: As this would allow companies to just take the code and include their patches in their own commercial product only, support of the common code basis might be reduced in future. ... Especially as open source enthusiastic developers (mostly independent or related to Linux distributions) have told us over and over again that they feel exploited by such commercial interests without getting something back... Best regards Bernhard -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
Well said! On Thu 02/06/11 10:52 , Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl sent: > Op 1-6-2011 23:21, eric b schreef: Hi, > Le 1 juin 11 à 22:55, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit : > it does not surprise me how fast you were to set up your wiki > page http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JZA > Feel free to contribute and to create yor page too ! > Thanks for the suggestion. > I also, following Alexandro's example, boldly added myself to the > list of initial committers, if only to indicate my support for the > transfer of OpenOffice.org to the ASF (if my contributions are somehow > deemed insufficient to merit inclusion in the list, my name can always > be removed afterwards :) ). > Although the proposed transfer to the ASF came as a complete > surprise, and the community has had no say in it, I think it's the way > to go. My impression of the ASF is that it is a capable organization > with plenty of experience to handle a project like OpenOffice.org. > Being a vendor-neutral party, transferring the copyrights to it will > finally provide a level playing field. Distribution of OpenOffice.org > under the APL license (if I understand correctly, less strict than, > and compatible with, the LGPL) may make it more interesting for > companies alike to get involved. > I hope we can all work together to get OpenOffice.org on its feet > again and make this a success. > -- > Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | > http://www.opentaal.org | > -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
[marketing-dev] Re: OpenOffice.org to become an Apache Foundation Incubator Project
Op 1-6-2011 23:21, eric b schreef: Hi, Le 1 juin 11 à 22:55, Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit : it does not surprise me how fast you were to set up your wiki page http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JZA Feel free to contribute and to create yor page too ! Thanks for the suggestion. I also, following Alexandro's example, boldly added myself to the list of initial committers, if only to indicate my support for the transfer of OpenOffice.org to the ASF (if my contributions are somehow deemed insufficient to merit inclusion in the list, my name can always be removed afterwards :) ). Although the proposed transfer to the ASF came as a complete surprise, and the community has had no say in it, I think it's the way to go. My impression of the ASF is that it is a capable organization with plenty of experience to handle a project like OpenOffice.org. Being a vendor-neutral party, transferring the copyrights to it will finally provide a level playing field. Distribution of OpenOffice.org under the APL license (if I understand correctly, less strict than, and compatible with, the LGPL) may make it more interesting for companies alike to get involved. I hope we can all work together to get OpenOffice.org on its feet again and make this a success. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | -- - To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@marketing.openoffice.org with Subject: help
