Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hi Ian, Ian Lynch wrote: On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:29 +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: [...] The real issue is transparency. Its not so much about who decides and how, but that all decisions are public knowledge. Charities and public organisations usually publish their accounts and make it clear how the money was spent. So this is done for Cusoon, see : http://www.cusoo.org/spip/article.php3?id_article=18 The same will be done for Team e.V. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hi, > The real issue is transparency. Its not so much about who decides and > how, but that all decisions are public knowledge. Charities and public > organisations usually publish their accounts and make it clear how the > money was spent. In the computer age, giving people the option to donate > to specific aspects of a project is not very difficult and neither is > publishing the accounts. Some people might be quite happy to just donate > without knowing how the money was spent and might donate whatever the > case but to maximise contributions, it's necessary to appeal to the > widest cross-section of people. I have contributed some money to OOo, > but I won't contribute anything else until proper transparent accounting > is in place. That is not because I think any financial impropriety is > taking place, just that a professional approach requires proper > financial procedures. I'm totally signing that one. André. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:29 +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: > You can change the 80 % to another area, this is not imho the best way > to ensure the development of a project to direct the funds to only one > area at a time when the overall donations could benefit to a lot of > places in the same time. But again this is my opinion :) The real issue is transparency. Its not so much about who decides and how, but that all decisions are public knowledge. Charities and public organisations usually publish their accounts and make it clear how the money was spent. In the computer age, giving people the option to donate to specific aspects of a project is not very difficult and neither is publishing the accounts. Some people might be quite happy to just donate without knowing how the money was spent and might donate whatever the case but to maximise contributions, it's necessary to appeal to the widest cross-section of people. I have contributed some money to OOo, but I won't contribute anything else until proper transparent accounting is in place. That is not because I think any financial impropriety is taking place, just that a professional approach requires proper financial procedures. Regards, -- Ian Lynch www.theINGOTs.org www.opendocumentfellowship.org www.schoolforge.org.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hi Daniel, Daniel Carrera wrote: [...] It would not be fair to accept money that the donor intended for one thing and use it on something else. Especially without the donor's permission. What's important to you may not coincide with what's important to me (indeed, if you want to spend my money on something different from what I asked, then we don't coincide). If you accept money intended for one thing and spending on something else you like better you might even face a lawsuit. In addition, donors may be less willing to donate if they feel they can't trust you to respect their request. You can only reallocate money that is either yours, or was given without provisions. Yes, of course, this is why I pointed the importance of being aware that the funds need to be directed to the entire project and not to one of it's area only. You can change the 80 % to another area, this is not imho the best way to ensure the development of a project to direct the funds to only one area at a time when the overall donations could benefit to a lot of places in the same time. But again this is my opinion :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Sophie Gautier wrote: Imagine that we receive 80% of the donation directed to the Mac porting project. I would not find that fair for the other projects like the bibliographic one who's the first to come to my mind, or any other project that will have an important impact on our product (which, if you look deeper at any todo project list is the case). It would not be fair to accept money that the donor intended for one thing and use it on something else. Especially without the donor's permission. What's important to you may not coincide with what's important to me (indeed, if you want to spend my money on something different from what I asked, then we don't coincide). If you accept money intended for one thing and spending on something else you like better you might even face a lawsuit. In addition, donors may be less willing to donate if they feel they can't trust you to respect their request. You can only reallocate money that is either yours, or was given without provisions. Daniel. -- "It's like a rainbow. Without an observer at a 23 degree angle to the light reflected a cloud of spherical droplets, there is no rainbow. The whole universe is like that. Our spirits stand at a 23 degree to the universe." -- Zoya Boone, Red Mars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hi Jean, all Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Charles Schulz wrote: Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : eric b wrote: Since end 2005, I'm searching funds, hardware, developers (all are volunteers, and receive no money). Eric, please tell us how people who want to donate money to your Mac porting project can make a donation and be sure that it is going to your project. I know only one way to send money to OOo (by PayPal to TeamOpenOffice), but there is no way to know where the money goes from there. I can't speak for Eric; I think if you donate either to OpenOffice Team e.V or to the CUSOON (french OOo NPO) (URL: http://www.cusoo.org/spip/) that will do it. Yes, but for international Team e.V is better. I can't read French very well, so I was unable to find the answers to these questions on the CUSOON website: 1) Is there a way to donate to CUSOON that does not use PayPal? Yes the bank references are on line too 2) If someone donates to CUSOON, how does he know the money is going to the project he wants it to go to? This is published on the site. But from what I know, we never received donations directed to one project (only to special marketing expenses like banners or now to the OOoCon sponsoring). I already know that TeamOpenOffice e.V does not make its accounts public, so there is no way to know if money sent to them is going where one wants it to goo. It's only a time issue in fact. We have to coordinate this with Stefan but there is a lot to do else where currently and we didn't find the time to work on this issue. I'm going to see with Stefan if we could find sometime on irc to work on this. I am not the only person who asks these questions. Other people ask them on other lists. I think it is a big problem for OOo. How can we ask someone to donate if he can get no assurance that his money is being used as requested? I'll give you my point of view, which is only mine, of course. If I'm entitled by the community to receive money for developments and marketing tasks, I'll do my best to satisfy the community and their wishes concerning the used of this money *and* to satisfy the needs of the overall project. And I hope that the community will trust me on the decisions that are being made. The mac port has already received funds from the German association, from Team e.V and from French association if I remember well. Apple has participated in some material too. This team needs a deep support from our part, because they do a really hard work on their spare time only and they have very very few resources. However the needs of the whole project are plurals and imho request all our attention concerning the funds distribution. Imagine that we receive 80% of the donation directed to the Mac porting project. I would not find that fair for the other projects like the bibliographic one who's the first to come to my mind, or any other project that will have an important impact on our product (which, if you look deeper at any todo project list is the case). So, (and please be sure that I'm a great supporter of the mac porting project) we also have to take care of all the projects and their needs and for this, I know that Team e.V is the best one to have this overall vision and ensure that the donations are the best used to serve the entire OOo project. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Charles Schulz wrote: The CUSOON financial accounts are regularly published, but that's written in french on the site, actually. I think you may want to talk with Sophie on this topic, she will answer your questions much better than I could do. Maybe CUSOON can offer targeted donations. That would be very good. -- "It's like a rainbow. Without an observer at a 23 degree angle to the light reflected a cloud of spherical droplets, there is no rainbow. The whole universe is like that. Our spirits stand at a 23 degree to the universe." -- Zoya Boone, Red Mars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I already know that TeamOpenOffice e.V does not make its accounts public, so there is no way to know if money sent to them is going where one wants it to goo. Nor do they offer a way to say where you want the money to go. You're expected to give them money and just hope that TeamOOo will do "something" useful with it. I am not the only person who asks these questions. Other people ask them on other lists. I think it is a big problem for OOo. How can we ask someone to donate if he can get no assurance that his money is being used as requested? Yes. In addition, I've seen people ask about for targeted donations (e.g. "I want to donate to the Mac OS X port"). -- "It's like a rainbow. Without an observer at a 23 degree angle to the light reflected a cloud of spherical droplets, there is no rainbow. The whole universe is like that. Our spirits stand at a 23 degree to the universe." -- Zoya Boone, Red Mars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hello Jean, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : > >> >> I can't speak for Eric; I think if you donate either to OpenOffice Team >> e.V or to the CUSOON (french OOo NPO) >> (URL: http://www.cusoo.org/spip/) that will do it. > > I can't read French very well, so I was unable to find the answers to > these questions on the CUSOON website: > 1) Is there a way to donate to CUSOON that does not use PayPal? > 2) If someone donates to CUSOON, how does he know the money is going > to the project he wants it to go to? > > I already know that TeamOpenOffice e.V does not make its accounts > public, so there is no way to know if money sent to them is going > where one wants it to goo. > > I am not the only person who asks these questions. Other people ask > them on other lists. I think it is a big problem for OOo. How can we > ask someone to donate if he can get no assurance that his money is > being used as requested? The CUSOON financial accounts are regularly published, but that's written in french on the site, actually. I think you may want to talk with Sophie on this topic, she will answer your questions much better than I could do. Best, Charles. > > --Jean > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Charles Schulz wrote: Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : eric b wrote: Since end 2005, I'm searching funds, hardware, developers (all are volunteers, and receive no money). Eric, please tell us how people who want to donate money to your Mac porting project can make a donation and be sure that it is going to your project. I know only one way to send money to OOo (by PayPal to TeamOpenOffice), but there is no way to know where the money goes from there. I can't speak for Eric; I think if you donate either to OpenOffice Team e.V or to the CUSOON (french OOo NPO) (URL: http://www.cusoo.org/spip/) that will do it. I can't read French very well, so I was unable to find the answers to these questions on the CUSOON website: 1) Is there a way to donate to CUSOON that does not use PayPal? 2) If someone donates to CUSOON, how does he know the money is going to the project he wants it to go to? I already know that TeamOpenOffice e.V does not make its accounts public, so there is no way to know if money sent to them is going where one wants it to goo. I am not the only person who asks these questions. Other people ask them on other lists. I think it is a big problem for OOo. How can we ask someone to donate if he can get no assurance that his money is being used as requested? --Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] Donating
Hello Jean, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : > eric b wrote: >> Since end 2005, I'm searching funds, hardware, developers (all are >> volunteers, and receive no money). > > Eric, please tell us how people who want to donate money to your Mac > porting project can make a donation and be sure that it is going to > your project. I know only one way to send money to OOo (by PayPal to > TeamOpenOffice), but there is no way to know where the money goes from > there. I can't speak for Eric; I think if you donate either to OpenOffice Team e.V or to the CUSOON (french OOo NPO) (URL: http://www.cusoo.org/spip/) that will do it. I think that it is important to remember that we, as the OOo community and as members of the Marketing project, should actively support and advertise the official OOo Mac OSX port, and not a separate project that over the bargain doesn't behave in a positive way. Thanks, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] Donating (was: Taking an ad in NYC's free Metro newspaper)
eric b wrote: Since end 2005, I'm searching funds, hardware, developers (all are volunteers, and receive no money). Eric, please tell us how people who want to donate money to your Mac porting project can make a donation and be sure that it is going to your project. I know only one way to send money to OOo (by PayPal to TeamOpenOffice), but there is no way to know where the money goes from there. --Jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Marketing] donating to OpenOffice
> b) paying PayPal $1.95. Paypal is a seller-cost type of deal -- it costs you $0 to make a transaction. Although that doesn't quell your personal information stuff. I'm sure there's a way to mail in a donation to Team OpenOffice.org ... /me waits for a more knowledgeable person to give the address -- Jason Faulkner OldOs.org Owner/Admin / http://oldos.org / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Certified INGOTS Gold Assessor Trainer / http://www.theingots.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Volunteer / [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Marketing] donating to OpenOffice
I'm disappointed that the only way to make a financial contribution to OpenOffice seems to involve: a) Giving my personal information to PayPal, a company I don't trust; b) paying PayPal $1.95. Is there anyway to donate (say by snailed personal check) that does not involve forming an undesirable business relationship with PayPal? -- Alison Chaiken [EMAIL PROTECTED] (650) 236-2231 [daytime]http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ I suppose monarchy and monopoly go well together. -- Bruce Perens - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
