RE: Creating a schedule for releases
That sounds like a great idea...and one less place to visit. -Original Message- From: Brian E. Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:23 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: RE: Creating a schedule for releases I know the calendar is already out there so this might be late info (I didn't think of it before), but I thought I'd point out that Jira has the ability to set release dates and there is a calendar portlet you can add to show them. It's probably less functionality than the google one, but it could also incorporate the releases of all plugins, including ones where the lead isn't on the PMC (if there are any). -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:08 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: Creating a schedule for releases On 2 Apr 07, at 12:00 PM 2 Apr 07, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: > Looks like we'll need an new maven-ical-report for the site > generation. > > To inject the schedule into the site, with links to the live-schedule. > I think just pointing to the calendar will suffice. I think a lot of people will just end up subscribing to the feed. Jason. > - Joakim > > Jason van Zyl wrote: >> >> On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brian E. Fox wrote: >> >>> +1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs >>> something to >>> work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. >>> >> >> 2.1-alpha-1 will go on the schedule, the issues are registered for it >> and John and I would like to cut the alpha in the coming week so >> we'll get wiki fleshed out with details of the issues listed in JIRA. >> >> Jason. >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM >>> To: Maven Developers List >>> Subject: Creating a schedule for releases >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great >>> deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar >>> where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for >>> Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a >>> clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team >>> does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do >>> releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be >>> ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to >>> provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. >>> >>> So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where >>> everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person >>> who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven >>> releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended >>> up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit >>> it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to >>> look for planned releases dates. >>> >>> I would like to set this up asap. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Jason. >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >>> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >>> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For > additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Creating a schedule for releases
I know the calendar is already out there so this might be late info (I didn't think of it before), but I thought I'd point out that Jira has the ability to set release dates and there is a calendar portlet you can add to show them. It's probably less functionality than the google one, but it could also incorporate the releases of all plugins, including ones where the lead isn't on the PMC (if there are any). -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:08 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: Creating a schedule for releases On 2 Apr 07, at 12:00 PM 2 Apr 07, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: > Looks like we'll need an new maven-ical-report for the site > generation. > > To inject the schedule into the site, with links to the live-schedule. > I think just pointing to the calendar will suffice. I think a lot of people will just end up subscribing to the feed. Jason. > - Joakim > > Jason van Zyl wrote: >> >> On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brian E. Fox wrote: >> >>> +1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs >>> something to >>> work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. >>> >> >> 2.1-alpha-1 will go on the schedule, the issues are registered for it >> and John and I would like to cut the alpha in the coming week so >> we'll get wiki fleshed out with details of the issues listed in JIRA. >> >> Jason. >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM >>> To: Maven Developers List >>> Subject: Creating a schedule for releases >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great >>> deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar >>> where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for >>> Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a >>> clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team >>> does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do >>> releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be >>> ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to >>> provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. >>> >>> So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where >>> everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person >>> who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven >>> releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended >>> up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit >>> it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to >>> look for planned releases dates. >>> >>> I would like to set this up asap. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Jason. >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >>> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >>> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >> additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For > additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
Looks like we'll need an new maven-ical-report for the site generation. To inject the schedule into the site, with links to the live-schedule. - Joakim Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brian E. Fox wrote: > >> +1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs something to >> work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. >> > > 2.1-alpha-1 will go on the schedule, the issues are registered for it > and John and I would like to cut the alpha in the coming week so we'll > get wiki fleshed out with details of the issues listed in JIRA. > > Jason. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM >> To: Maven Developers List >> Subject: Creating a schedule for releases >> >> Hi, >> >> Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great >> deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar >> where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for >> Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a >> clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team >> does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do >> releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be >> ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to >> provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. >> >> So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where >> everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person >> who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven >> releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up >> being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it >> keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look >> for planned releases dates. >> >> I would like to set this up asap. >> >> +1 >> >> Jason. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
+1 Spiffy idea! - Joakim Jason van Zyl wrote: > Hi, > > Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great > deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar > where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven > itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear > idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is > work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases > every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately > schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some > transparency as the Mylar team does. > > So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where > everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person > who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven > releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up > being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it > keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for > planned releases dates. > > I would like to set this up asap. > > +1 > > Jason. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
On 2 Apr 07, at 12:00 PM 2 Apr 07, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: Looks like we'll need an new maven-ical-report for the site generation. To inject the schedule into the site, with links to the live-schedule. I think just pointing to the calendar will suffice. I think a lot of people will just end up subscribing to the feed. Jason. - Joakim Jason van Zyl wrote: On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brian E. Fox wrote: +1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs something to work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. 2.1-alpha-1 will go on the schedule, the issues are registered for it and John and I would like to cut the alpha in the coming week so we'll get wiki fleshed out with details of the issues listed in JIRA. Jason. -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Creating a schedule for releases Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
After trying to schedule some stuff I noticed without different calendars the colour of everything is the same so I created separate calendars for the sub-projects and another for plugins so that folks can visually distinguish the releases. Jason. On 2 Apr 07, at 10:32 AM 2 Apr 07, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: +1 Emmanuel Jason van Zyl a écrit : Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
+1 Emmanuel Jason van Zyl a écrit : Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
On 02/04/2007, at 11:55 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to do this. Totally agree. And drawing this information into a known, persistent, and up-to-date location can only help get more people involved. The most successful releases will come when 3, 4 or more people are popping in fixes in those 4-6 weeks. Just to highlight what I was getting at in the previous mail and the site mail earlier (though it probably goes without saying) - this will only be successful if everyone is also diligent about things like maintaining JIRA, CI (when it gets running again), testing, and some level of documentation throughout the whole release cycle. There's not much point cutting a release on time if it drops in stability or %complete in terms of tests or docs. That's all I was getting at. - Brett - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brian E. Fox wrote: +1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs something to work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. 2.1-alpha-1 will go on the schedule, the issues are registered for it and John and I would like to cut the alpha in the coming week so we'll get wiki fleshed out with details of the issues listed in JIRA. Jason. -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Creating a schedule for releases Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
On 2 Apr 07, at 9:44 AM 2 Apr 07, Brett Porter wrote: +1, I had a draft mail saying roughly the same thing. We will probably still need to be occasionally flexible depending on availability of people, too, but as we start whipping out non- alpha releases of some of the underlying stuff and increasing the general amount of testing, it'll be much easier to make a call to cut some things and release anyway since it will be stable already, right? :) Mylar, and the rest of Europa projects, schedule releases but if they don't have anything to release they don't. But the projects that actually make their release dates are the ones people come to trust. Mylar is all volunteers (not even a company paying some of the bills until very recently) and they have managed to stick to this schedule. There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to do this. Jason. - Brett On 02/04/2007, at 11:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Creating a schedule for releases
+1. More info helps the users to plan and gives the devs something to work towards. I'd like to see some tentative plans for 2.1 also. -Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:38 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Creating a schedule for releases Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating a schedule for releases
+1, I had a draft mail saying roughly the same thing. We will probably still need to be occasionally flexible depending on availability of people, too, but as we start whipping out non-alpha releases of some of the underlying stuff and increasing the general amount of testing, it'll be much easier to make a call to cut some things and release anyway since it will be stable already, right? :) - Brett On 02/04/2007, at 11:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Taking the lead from the Mylar development team, whom I have a great deal of respect for, I would like to create a shared Google calendar where we can put some releases on schedules. I know at least for Maven itself, Doxia, Wagon and some plugins I'm working on I have a clear idea of when they will be released. But what the Mylar team does is work under the general Europa guidelines and they try and do releases every 6 weeks. So I'm not sure how the everything will be ultimately schedule but I would like to make a start at trying to provide some transparency as the Mylar team does. So the though was that we would have a calendar on Google where everyone on the PMC has access to the schedule (as it's a PMC person who has to do a release) and I'll start the by putting in the Maven releases. I planned 4 weeks between the last releases and it ended up being 6 so I'll shoot for that again, but even if we're off a bit it keeps the users informed and they will have a single place to look for planned releases dates. I would like to set this up asap. +1 Jason. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
