AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)
-1 I agree with Jarda. Having the portability for platforms like Android is important, and I support the proposed alternative. Von: Jaroslav Tulach Datum: Mittwoch, 5. April 2023 um 17:13 An: dev Betreff: Re: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8) -1 Background: http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Portability Alternative: - I will maintain what ever needs to be maintained to keep JDK 8 CI tests running - From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run the IDE will be JDK 11. - The minimum JDK to run and test the NetBeans Platform and modules up to VSCode & Jackpot remains JDK 8. - Usage of JDK11, JDK17, etc. API is possible in dedicated modules via http:// wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/AlternativeImplementation Justification: Writing in Java (a language designed to write once and run everywhere) greatly increases portability. However there is another axis hurting portability - the supported JDK version. Of course, should a library be widely used, it has to support as oldest JDK as possible. These days it is JDK8 - the primary reason being that Android supports JDK8 - as such, should a library aspire to be used on Android (as well as regular Java), it needs to stick to version eight. There's transitivity of non-portability - the portability of the final application cannot be bigger than portability of the least portable library used. This applies also to 3rd party dependencies a framework or library has: again their non-portability may negatively affect portability of such framework or library. Of course, writing portable libraries is harder. It requires more work from the API author, more self-control, more suffering. However such suffering is justifiable. There is usually a single API writer, but there are many users to it. What matters is to simplify and improve experience of those API users - own author suffering doesn't matter that much. > # Proposed policy > > * Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the > platform on JDK 8. > > * From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run > the IDE or platform will be JDK 11. > > * Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and > running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be > supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS > releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support > JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and > 22. > > ## Background > > The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and > run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially > the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules > requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have > continued on JDK 8. > > This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for > currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other > requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene > [1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in > integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10 > [2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing > workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated > (for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the > additional JDK requirements. > > ## Notes > > * Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the > current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE. The IDE will continue to > support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as > nb-javac and other dependencies allow. > > * This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode > level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required, > but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as > they need to. > > * Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than > the minimum. Should it become necessary, build time optional modules > might be considered - eg. a build on the minimum JDK may exclude > modules that will not run on that JDK at runtime. > > * Some modules that are of independent use (eg. lookup, utilities, > etc.) might be nominated and advertised to continue JDK 8 support for > the time being. This is not expected to cover the runtime container as > a whole - https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/nbm-runtime-container.html > > * Once NetBeans 19 is released, the NetBeans 18 release branch could > be used to backport and release JDK 8 supporting fixes, subject to any > PMC members wanting to manage those releases. > > * The term "platform" is used in reference to the whole framework of > modules that we release (eg. via Maven), not just the platform > cluster. > > [1] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4999 > [2] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4692 > > - >
AW: [VOTE] NetBeans HTML/Java API 1.8.1
+1 Von: Jaroslav Tulach Datum: Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2022 um 07:46 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: [VOTE] NetBeans HTML/Java API 1.8.1 Hi. A bugfix release of HTML/Java API is needed. While trying to upgrade HTML/Java libraries in NetBeans/VSCode: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4040 - it has been found that additional bugfixes over 1.8 are needed. This is the main voting artefact: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-html4j/netbeans-html4j-1.8.1/netbeans-html4j-1.8.1.zip its sha512sum is 6540380491059525eab26b8f331f7f7098acce33063237fb591ba5aba2c6b09be29ff51ac991971948ae57c74b86b32b6a09aa164b625f413ba9e2f7be9e8d2f and I signed it as https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-html4j/netbeans-html4j-1.8.1/netbeans-html4j-1.8.1.zip.asc - these files were produced by https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/view/html4j/job/ netbeans-html4j-release/12/ job run. If you want to build from the source, then unzip and use following command: netbeans-html4j$ mvn clean install -DskipTests you can also run the command without `-DskipTests` and report a (non blocking) test failure. Right now the tests seem to be stable, but historically they have been a bit flaky. Of course, to verify the new library works, you should have an HTML/Java project and switch it to the new version. If you don't have such project, you can create one in NetBeans 13: "New Project/Java with Maven/Java Frontend Application" - if that application works for you, then you can switch to locally built HTML/Java API by changing: --- a/pom.xml +++ b/pom.xml @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ js -1.7 +1.8.1 11 1.0 2.13 If your application continues to work, everything is OK. In addition to the main voting artifact, we are also about to approve the following Maven repository: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1120/ It has been produced by unzipping the main ZIP file and running: ``` netbeans-html4j$ JAVA_HOME=/jdk-17/ mvn -Dgpg.keyname=xyz -Papache-release clean -DskipTests deploy ``` I'll release it to Maven central if our vote passes. Please cast your votes. The vote is going to be open at least for 72h. -jt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
AW: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 12.6 mac OSX Installer
+1 (binding) Tested on my MacBook Pro (16", 2021) Monterey, Thanks Toni Von: Geertjan Wielenga Datum: Dienstag, 30. November 2021 um 14:18 An: dev Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 12.6 mac OSX Installer Apologies, I've used it and it works great, should have voted earlier. +1 (binding) Gj On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:02 PM John Mc wrote: > Any PMC members who use macOS? > > Can I ask if you haven't already can you download this installer and verify > it works please? We need 1 more binding vote to have 3 +1 binding votes in > order for this vote to pass. We already have mine and John Kostaras( > https://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=ikost). > > It would be good to successfully close this vote, so it doesn't hold up the > 12.6 release. > > Regards > > John > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 14:56, John Mc wrote: > > > + 1 (binding) > > > > We still need one more +1 binding vote, before I can close this. > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 12:06, Carl Mosca wrote: > > > >> +1 > >> macOS 12.0.1 > >> Amazon Corretto JDK 17 > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 2:44 AM John Kostaras > >> wrote: > >> > >> > +1 > >> > MacOSX 10.13.6 > >> > Oracle JDK 17 > >> > > >> > JK > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Στις Παρ, 26 Νοε 2021, 6:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Scott Palmer < > >> > swpal...@gmail.com> > >> > έγραψε: > >> > > >> > > +1 > >> > > macOS 12.0.1 intel > >> > > Zulu “full” JDK 17.0.1 > >> > > > >> > > Scott > >> > > > >> > > > On Nov 24, 2021, at 10:30 AM, John Mc > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > We can vote for Apache NetBeans 12.6 mac OSX installer. > >> > > > > >> > > > Primary voting artefact: > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/12.6/Apache-NetBeans-12.6-bin-macosx.dmg > >> > > > > >> > > > KEYS file: > >> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/KEYS > >> > > > > >> > > > PGP signature file: > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/12.6/Apache-NetBeans-12.6-bin-macosx.dmg.asc > >> > > > > >> > > > SHA512 checksum file: > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/12.6/Apache-NetBeans-12.6-bin-macosx.dmg.sha512 > >> > > > > >> > > > Built locally using the artefacts found in the Jenkins job: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release126/14/ > >> > > > > >> > > > NOTE: macOS versions prior to 10.14.4 require the Swift 5 Runtime > >> to be > >> > > > installed to launch Apache NetBeans > >> > > > > >> > > > This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0, > >> and > >> > -1 > >> > > as > >> > > > usual. > >> > > > Please mark your vote with (binding) if you're an Apache NetBeans > >> PMC > >> > > > member. > >> > > > Apache NetBeans-12.6 mac OSX Installer will be released if and > when > >> > this > >> > > > vote passes. > >> > > > > >> > > > Regards > >> > > > > >> > > > John > >> > > > >> > > > - > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > >> > > > >> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Carl J. Mosca > >> > > >
