Aw: Re: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo

[Christian Lenz]

These are only drafts created with no details etc. from a designer. After we 
decide to use one or 2 to represent the brand (IDE or platform) the designer 
will go into the details.
 
 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2016 um 18:08 Uhr
Von: "Dmitry Avtonomov" 
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo
In most logos there are 3-4 words (net, beans, IDE, apache) all with
different font size and styling, it looks very incoherent.
Also more thanks half of the logos deem it necessary to emphasize that it's
the IDE. Isn't this a nice time to end the confusion and rebrand the
platform back to open desktop or something, so that everyone knew there was
the platform and not only the IDE.

Best,
Dmitry


On Dec 25, 2016 09:59, "Matthias Bläsing"  wrote:

Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 25.12.2016, 14:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:
> Please if someone can't vote, leave a comment for what you want to
> vote and I will change the number.
> Yes a feather and apache would be ok for me (in my opinion if it is
> needed). Apache would be enough I think.
> Instead of the IDE it could be the feather.

sorry - but this is nuts. Voting at this point is useless. Please:

a) Gather all options
b) Open a discuss and do refinement
c) Ask for votes on the final set

Currently a/b/c are happily interleaved. So people who decide to vote,
vote on unfinished entryset. People that might want to comment on the
logos itself might be held back by ongoing votes. The same goes for
others proposing new variants.

Is there a reason for this haste?

Greetings

Matthias

Aw: Re: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo

[Christian Lenz]

Thx Matthias,

good point. I didn't know how to start so I set this first to create a voting. 
Of course all repesents (from me) are very not final, details are mising like 
fonts, the cubes are not looking well etc. But those are first drafts from the 
designer. He won't dive into deep to create a detailed logo if no one wants a 
new one. So thats why we decided to created drafts. Those are not final, only 
to get an idea what could be possible.

I added 2 more drafts, changed by myself with Apache on top of it and the 
feather as mentioned. So if others want to contribute logos sure, you can. But 
as another member said, we should not have to many. We should really focus on 
that what we have otherwise we have to much to decide. I think the way is clear 
in which direction it should go.

How you want to open a discuss? Via mailinlists? It is a mess for voting too. 
We should live talk about it if it is possible, maybe next year in january.

So ok we can cancel the vote for now and bring it back later. Now we can catch 
feedback.


Regards

Chris
 
 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2016 um 15:59 Uhr
Von: "Matthias Bläsing" 
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 25.12.2016, 14:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:
> Please if someone can't vote, leave a comment for what you want to
> vote and I will change the number.
> Yes a feather and apache would be ok for me (in my opinion if it is
> needed). Apache would be enough I think.
> Instead of the IDE it could be the feather.

sorry - but this is nuts. Voting at this point is useless. Please:

a) Gather all options
b) Open a discuss and do refinement
c) Ask for votes on the final set

Currently a/b/c are happily interleaved. So people who decide to vote,
vote on unfinished entryset. People that might want to comment on the
logos itself might be held back by ongoing votes. The same goes for
others proposing new variants.

Is there a reason for this haste?

Greetings

Matthias

Aw: Re: http://netbeans.apache.org

[Christian Lenz]

Finally I created a ticket for this now: 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13174
If there is smth wrong, please correct it.


Regards

Chris
 
 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2016 um 12:24 Uhr
Von: "Daniel Gruno" 
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: http://netbeans.apache.org
On 11/27/2016 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> What's the progress on http://netbeans.apache.org and are we ready to
> publish it so everyone can see it and discuss further based on the live
> site? Daniel, what is needed from our end to have the site live?
>

File a jira ticket with infra (infrahelp.apache.org) and request
gitpubsub setup for the git repository and netbeans.a.o - it'll take a
day or two, I hope :)

With regards,
Daniel.

> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, makes sense.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Tushar Joshi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 PS: How is value added prior to being a committer?
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is done by active contribution to mailing lists, filing
>>> bugs
>>> and enhancement requests and sending pull requests
>>>
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>
>>
>
 

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Re: Aw: Re: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo

[Michael Müller]

Hi Chris,

Some of the new logos look nice. But personally I have some problems:

The lights on the "outer cube" are different from the "inner cube". Thus 
it does not really fit. Too me, it looks like a big border, folded the 
other way. (For the inner cube left front is light, and for the outer 
right front is light)


Moving the eye away, it becomes hard to recognize the inner part being a 
cube. The outer "border" now looks more like a hexagon. Is this by 
intention?


To me, the only "real" cubes are the one from the existing logo and the 
grey one.


What is the intention of the logo? Fitting things together? If this is 
symbolized by a cube, than I vote for the existing logo. If it shall be 
symbolized by "cube in cube", I propose to synchronize the light to come 
from the same direction for both cubes. Or maybe we create a cube built 
up by a jigsaw (puzzle)? Than  the elements really need to fit together. 
Just some thoughts...



Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,

Michael Müller
Brühl, Germany
blog.mueller-bruehl.de 
it-rezension.de 
@muellermi


Read my books
  "Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
  "Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams": 
http://www.apress.com/de/book/9781484224861

  "Visitors" a photographic image book: https://leanpub.com/visitors


On 12/26/2016 12:26 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:

Thx Matthias,

good point. I didn't know how to start so I set this first to create a voting. 
Of course all repesents (from me) are very not final, details are mising like 
fonts, the cubes are not looking well etc. But those are first drafts from the 
designer. He won't dive into deep to create a detailed logo if no one wants a 
new one. So thats why we decided to created drafts. Those are not final, only 
to get an idea what could be possible.

I added 2 more drafts, changed by myself with Apache on top of it and the 
feather as mentioned. So if others want to contribute logos sure, you can. But 
as another member said, we should not have to many. We should really focus on 
that what we have otherwise we have to much to decide. I think the way is clear 
in which direction it should go.

How you want to open a discuss? Via mailinlists? It is a mess for voting too. 
We should live talk about it if it is possible, maybe next year in january.

So ok we can cancel the vote for now and bring it back later. Now we can catch 
feedback.


Regards

Chris
  
  


Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2016 um 15:59 Uhr
Von: "Matthias Bläsing" 
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 25.12.2016, 14:00 +0100 schrieb Christian Lenz:

Please if someone can't vote, leave a comment for what you want to
vote and I will change the number.
Yes a feather and apache would be ok for me (in my opinion if it is
needed). Apache would be enough I think.
Instead of the IDE it could be the feather.

sorry - but this is nuts. Voting at this point is useless. Please:

a) Gather all options
b) Open a discuss and do refinement
c) Ask for votes on the final set

Currently a/b/c are happily interleaved. So people who decide to vote,
vote on unfinished entryset. People that might want to comment on the
logos itself might be held back by ongoing votes. The same goes for
others proposing new variants.

Is there a reason for this haste?

Greetings

Matthias

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo

[Christian Lenz]

Hey Michael,

thx for the feedback.

For me there was a real intention. I said hey dude (to the designer) please use 
this logo (current one) of NetBeans and make a new one for the style what we 
have nowadays (Flat, Material, no-3D, no Web 2.0, no 1996).
It is a cube I said, not more. So he created some drafts. The thing with the 
lighter/darker side I can understand, but it is a perspective thing. I can see 
it is the same contrast (outer "cube") of the sites like from the inner cube, 
this is a perspective thing like glas where you see a cube inside a glas cube 
for example. But it is only my opinion, I can ask the designer for more details 
on that.


Some guys like the current one, I really don't know why but I have a lot of 
benefits on the new ones as they do it right (Rebrand, style from nowadays, 
fits into the new Homepage style, etc.). It is not that I don't like the 
current one, I liked it earlier when it was hip to do it but the style doesn't 
fit anymore it is old fashion (Yeah sure some of us like vintage or stuff from 
the days from 1886 - Me too (+ future things = steampunk)) but this is not the 
mass. The same as the homepage style. A lot of people doesn't like pages from 
1996, yeah I know and lot of people doesn't like new page styles but the CVR of 
a lot of pages shows that it is time to change the style from time to time to 
new ones (Yeah NetBeans does need a better CVR because we don't sell smth but I 
think the point is clear). You don't have to make each trend with it like 
material design and what comes next? I don't know.

But as for IDEs I can say the big players change the brand some months/years 
ago like Visual Studio, IntelliJ, maybe eclipse too? I don't know. And I think 
it is a perspective thing. If someone sees an old page and an old logo from the 
1996, form the first point of view and this is decisive in my opinion, the 
brand is a big part of a decision, whether I want to use a product or not. Sure 
the other percentages are the functionality, but if it hurts my eyes, I don't 
want to use such a product.

I know I spoke about the style of the HP but the same happens for the logo too. 
So final words, the decision was to make a new, cool logo for the 21st century 
which fits in this time and in the new style of the new homepage. It is really 
needed.


Regards

Chris
 
 

Gesendet: Montag, 26. Dezember 2016 um 23:33 Uhr
Von: "Michael Müller" 
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: Re: Please vote for a new NetBeans logo
Hi Chris,

Some of the new logos look nice. But personally I have some problems:

The lights on the "outer cube" are different from the "inner cube". Thus
it does not really fit. Too me, it looks like a big border, folded the
other way. (For the inner cube left front is light, and for the outer
right front is light)

Moving the eye away, it becomes hard to recognize the inner part being a
cube. The outer "border" now looks more like a hexagon. Is this by
intention?

To me, the only "real" cubes are the one from the existing logo and the
grey one.

What is the intention of the logo? Fitting things together? If this is
symbolized by a cube, than I vote for the existing logo. If it shall be
symbolized by "cube in cube", I propose to synchronize the light to come
from the same direction for both cubes. Or maybe we create a cube built
up by a jigsaw (puzzle)? Than the elements really need to fit together.
Just some thoughts...


Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,

Michael Müller
Brühl, Germany
blog.mueller-bruehl.de 
it-rezension.de 
@muellermi


Read my books
"Web Development with Java and JSF": 
https://leanpub.com/jsf[https://leanpub.com/jsf]
"Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams":
http://www.apress.com/de/book/9781484224861[http://www.apress.com/de/book/9781484224861]
"Visitors" a photographic image book: 
https://leanpub.com/visitors[https://leanpub.com/visitors]


On 12/26/2016 12:26 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> Thx Matthias,
>
> good point. I didn't know how to start so I set this first to create a 
> voting. Of course all repesents (from me) are very not final, details are 
> mising like fonts, the cubes are not looking well etc. But those are first 
> drafts from the designer. He won't dive into deep to create a detailed logo 
> if no one wants a new one. So thats why we decided to created drafts. Those 
> are not final, only to get an idea what could be possible.
>
> I added 2 more drafts, changed by myself with Apache on top of it and the 
> feather as mentioned. So if others want to contribute logos sure, you can. 
> But as another member said, we should not have to many. We should really 
> focus on that what we have otherwise we have to much to decide. I think the 
> way is clear in which direction it should go.
>
> How you want to open a discuss? Via mailinlists? It is a mess for voting too. 
> We should live talk about it if it is possible, maybe

Re: Aw: Re: http://netbeans.apache.org

[Wade Chandler]

Thanks Christian! I too was in the process of understanding exactly what to
file, and had taken a bit; the final  assumption was just file a ticket
with the repo, and ask the question Daniel mentioned. I was looking to do
it in the morning. Glad you were on it!

Wade

On Dec 26, 2016 8:37 AM, "Christian Lenz"  wrote:

> Finally I created a ticket for this now: https://issues.apache.org/
> jira/browse/INFRA-13174
> If there is smth wrong, please correct it.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2016 um 12:24 Uhr
> Von: "Daniel Gruno" 
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: http://netbeans.apache.org
> On 11/27/2016 12:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > What's the progress on http://netbeans.apache.org and are we ready to
> > publish it so everyone can see it and discuss further based on the live
> > site? Daniel, what is needed from our end to have the site live?
> >
>
> File a jira ticket with infra (infrahelp.apache.org) and request
> gitpubsub setup for the git repository and netbeans.a.o - it'll take a
> day or two, I hope :)
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> OK, makes sense.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Tushar Joshi 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  PS: How is value added prior to being a committer?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I believe this is done by active contribution to mailing lists, filing
> >>> bugs
> >>> and enhancement requests and sending pull requests
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> with regards
> >>> Tushar
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>