AW: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Christian Lenz]

What does vc mean? Vote candidate? I know the „Problem“ behind the vote, but if 
we make fixes or whatever, we have a new build, with a new build number so the 
vote was for rc1-20180303 or the build number rc1-143. If the vote fails, we 
make some stuff like fixes or whatever and we have a new build so rc1-20180304 
or rc1-144 or whatever. So you are still counting numbers but rc is confusing 
and vc yeah could be but it is not my personal favorite. It is not concrete 
enough. IMHO.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 08:55
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

But please understand what this is about — when we go through the voting
process in Apache, the vote may fail, which has happened several times and
then we need to make fixes, produce a new release, and start the voting
process again.

The question is how to distinguish between these vote candidates, I propose
vc1, vc2, vc3, etc.

What do you think?

Gj

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> Rc1-rc1 doesn’t make sense at all and is confusing. It still was confusing
> for People for beta-rc1. There is no beta-rc in the wild. Either we have a
> beta or RC but beta-rc? Wy we don’t use the build number for this or build
> date? When you download the nightly, there is a Long number in the
> titlebar, I think it was the date like NetBeans 9.0-dev-20180101 or smth
> like that. So why not using beta-20180303 and for RC too? So everyone
> knows, that this rc is the latest build or is 3 days old.
>
> My 2 cents
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Wade Chandler
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 01:41
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0
>
> I don’t like the rc1-rc1 bit. I think once one knows the reason it exists,
> they can understand it, but a release candidate for a release candidate, is
> just hard to say with a straight face IMO. I prefer the rc1-vc1 bit myself.
> Either way, I think folks will ask what it means, but at least the words
> for the shorthand match exactly what it is; voting candidate for a release
> candidate versus RC for an RC. My couple pennies.
>
> Wade
>
> > On May 29, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> >
> > 0
> >
> > I don't see a problem with the "rc1-rc1", "rc1-rc2" approach.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Antonio
> >
> > On 29/05/18 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.
> >> The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final
> release
> >> of NB 9.0 will be rc2.
> >> We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just
> like
> >> all other releases.
> >> There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better
> at
> >> putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only
> need
> >> one round of votes.
> >> Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
> >> i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an
> assumed
> >> three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
> >> only need rc2-vc1.
> >> That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.
> >> The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
> >> Acceptance survey will be done.
> >> Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
> >> object, you should provide a counter proposal.
>
>
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[Mentors] ‘incubating’ in splash screen?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Mentors,

Please help. What should we display on the splash screen and About box:

Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0

Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0

Which of the above should be on the splash screen and About box?

Thanks,

Gj

Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Geertjan Wielenga]

But please understand what this is about — when we go through the voting
process in Apache, the vote may fail, which has happened several times and
then we need to make fixes, produce a new release, and start the voting
process again.

The question is how to distinguish between these vote candidates, I propose
vc1, vc2, vc3, etc.

What do you think?

Gj

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> Rc1-rc1 doesn’t make sense at all and is confusing. It still was confusing
> for People for beta-rc1. There is no beta-rc in the wild. Either we have a
> beta or RC but beta-rc? Wy we don’t use the build number for this or build
> date? When you download the nightly, there is a Long number in the
> titlebar, I think it was the date like NetBeans 9.0-dev-20180101 or smth
> like that. So why not using beta-20180303 and for RC too? So everyone
> knows, that this rc is the latest build or is 3 days old.
>
> My 2 cents
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Wade Chandler
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 01:41
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0
>
> I don’t like the rc1-rc1 bit. I think once one knows the reason it exists,
> they can understand it, but a release candidate for a release candidate, is
> just hard to say with a straight face IMO. I prefer the rc1-vc1 bit myself.
> Either way, I think folks will ask what it means, but at least the words
> for the shorthand match exactly what it is; voting candidate for a release
> candidate versus RC for an RC. My couple pennies.
>
> Wade
>
> > On May 29, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> >
> > 0
> >
> > I don't see a problem with the "rc1-rc1", "rc1-rc2" approach.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Antonio
> >
> > On 29/05/18 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.
> >> The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final
> release
> >> of NB 9.0 will be rc2.
> >> We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just
> like
> >> all other releases.
> >> There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better
> at
> >> putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only
> need
> >> one round of votes.
> >> Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
> >> i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an
> assumed
> >> three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
> >> only need rc2-vc1.
> >> That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.
> >> The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
> >> Acceptance survey will be done.
> >> Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
> >> object, you should provide a counter proposal.
>
>
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Re: Contribute to the project

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Good idea!

Gj

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> Hi Toni,
>
> nice to have you on board. Why not helping this guy, making the Spring
> Plugin better? https://github.com/AlexFalappa/nb-springboot
>
> I know it is not part of the core but this Plugin is used often and there
> are some issues open. So try to make PRs to this Project, if you want 😊. I
> thought on this Plugin, because you said you are working with spring.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: antonio perez fernandez
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 00:20
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Contribute to the project
>
> My name is Toni,
>
> I'm a Java software engineer from 5 years and this is my first approach to
> a free software project. I have experience in Java EE and Spring
> technologies.
>
> Netbeans was my first IDE and helped me a lot to achieve the goals of the
> project. I would like Netbeans to be used by more people.
>
> I have seen a lot of components in the JIRA project. I'm not sure where to
> start.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Missatge de Geertjan Wielenga  del dia
> dt., 29 de maig 2018 a les 19:37:
>
> > Welcome and there’s lots to do! What’s your experience and what kind of
> > features would you like to work on?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, antonio perez fernandez <
> toniperez...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My name is Toni.
> > >
> > > I would like to contribute to this project with code.
> > >
> > > Someone could explain me the steps?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Sven Reimers]

If we are not required to use it as part of the name (just required to be
visible in the artifacts name), we should not use it on the splash screen
or anywhere else in the branding.

My major concern is - is it required?

+1 for mentioning Apache...

Sven

Christian Lenz  schrieb am Mi., 30. Mai 2018, 08:44:

> Of Course, it should be Apache NetBeans DIE but I think we don’t Need to
> make the Apache so proiminent. As you can see the new proposal, where
> Apache is above NetBeans. And -1 for incubating, but this is only my
> personal opinion. I know that this is still an incubating Project, but no
> one cares outside of the Apache world for this. They see NetBeans is an
> Apache Project. IMHO
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:02
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen
>
> It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
> i.e., 9.0.
>
> However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
> Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.
>
> We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:
>
> > The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.
> >
> > The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Efrem
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> > > Do we want an "incubating" text as well?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi David and Chris,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your great work.
> > >>
> > >> Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in
> > this
> > >> thread?
> > >>
> > >> That would move things forward.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks a lot,
> > >>
> > >> Gj
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello there,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> happy to see some progress :)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA
> > >>>
> > >>> Here you can find an export folder including both screens.
> > >>>
> > >>> But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual
> > NetBeans
> > >>> IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
> > >>> latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map
> > the
> > >>> splash screen on it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> All the best,
> > >>>
> > >>> David
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> uxactly  | raiken.de 
> > >>> system design thinking
> > >>>
> > >>> Kurfürstendamm 28
> > >>>
> > >>> 10719 Berlin
> > >>>
> > >>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
> > >>> Mail: da...@uxact.ly
> > >>> Skype: rai...@live.de
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> LinkedIn  | Xing
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Von: *Christian Lenz 
> > >>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
> > >>> *An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > >>> *Cc: *he...@raiken.de
> > >>> *Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
> > >>> Splash
> > >>> screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an
> awesome
> > >>> new
> > >>> logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we
> will
> > >>> have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
> > >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
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> > apache.org
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
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AW: Postgres JDBC driver

[Christian Lenz]

+1 for updating the PostgreSQL Driver. But this is not the only Driver which is 
Kind of outdated, Right? Maybe all other Drivers, that NetBeans uses should be 
updated, if they wasn’t


Cheers

Chris

Von: Glenn Holmer
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 22:15
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Postgres JDBC driver

On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>>
>> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
>> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
>> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
>>
>> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
>>
>> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
>> above steps even worth the effort?
>>
> 
> Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> Apache Derby would be another one.
> 
> For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> removed MySQL:
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
> 
> The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> adding drivers.

OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
that PR.

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I don’t think we have a choice about including ‘incubating’. No one using
NetBeans is outside of the Apache world. And that is part of our name until
we leave the incubator.

The name on the splash screen should be:

Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0

Can you ask David to change that and resend it?

Thanks,

Gj

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, Christian Lenz  wrote:

> Of Course, it should be Apache NetBeans DIE but I think we don’t Need to
> make the Apache so proiminent. As you can see the new proposal, where
> Apache is above NetBeans. And -1 for incubating, but this is only my
> personal opinion. I know that this is still an incubating Project, but no
> one cares outside of the Apache world for this. They see NetBeans is an
> Apache Project. IMHO
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Geertjan Wielenga
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:02
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen
>
> It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
> i.e., 9.0.
>
> However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
> Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.
>
> We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:
>
> > The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.
> >
> > The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Efrem
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> > > Do we want an "incubating" text as well?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi David and Chris,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your great work.
> > >>
> > >> Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in
> > this
> > >> thread?
> > >>
> > >> That would move things forward.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks a lot,
> > >>
> > >> Gj
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello there,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> happy to see some progress :)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA
> > >>>
> > >>> Here you can find an export folder including both screens.
> > >>>
> > >>> But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual
> > NetBeans
> > >>> IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
> > >>> latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map
> > the
> > >>> splash screen on it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> All the best,
> > >>>
> > >>> David
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> uxactly  | raiken.de 
> > >>> system design thinking
> > >>>
> > >>> Kurfürstendamm 28
> > >>>
> > >>> 10719 Berlin
> > >>>
> > >>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
> > >>> Mail: da...@uxact.ly
> > >>> Skype: rai...@live.de
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> LinkedIn  | Xing
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *Von: *Christian Lenz 
> > >>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
> > >>> *An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > >>> *Cc: *he...@raiken.de
> > >>> *Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
> > >>> Splash
> > >>> screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an
> awesome
> > >>> new
> > >>> logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we
> will
> > >>> have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
> > >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 
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AW: Contribute to the project

[Christian Lenz]

Hi Toni,

nice to have you on board. Why not helping this guy, making the Spring Plugin 
better? https://github.com/AlexFalappa/nb-springboot

I know it is not part of the core but this Plugin is used often and there are 
some issues open. So try to make PRs to this Project, if you want 😊. I thought 
on this Plugin, because you said you are working with spring.


Cheers

Chris


Von: antonio perez fernandez
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 00:20
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Contribute to the project

My name is Toni,

I'm a Java software engineer from 5 years and this is my first approach to
a free software project. I have experience in Java EE and Spring
technologies.

Netbeans was my first IDE and helped me a lot to achieve the goals of the
project. I would like Netbeans to be used by more people.

I have seen a lot of components in the JIRA project. I'm not sure where to
start.


Thanks.


Missatge de Geertjan Wielenga  del dia
dt., 29 de maig 2018 a les 19:37:

> Welcome and there’s lots to do! What’s your experience and what kind of
> features would you like to work on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, antonio perez fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Toni.
> >
> > I would like to contribute to this project with code.
> >
> > Someone could explain me the steps?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
>

AW: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Christian Lenz]

Rc1-rc1 doesn’t make sense at all and is confusing. It still was confusing for 
People for beta-rc1. There is no beta-rc in the wild. Either we have a beta or 
RC but beta-rc? Wy we don’t use the build number for this or build date? When 
you download the nightly, there is a Long number in the titlebar, I think it 
was the date like NetBeans 9.0-dev-20180101 or smth like that. So why not using 
beta-20180303 and for RC too? So everyone knows, that this rc is the latest 
build or is 3 days old.

My 2 cents


Cheers

Chris

Von: Wade Chandler
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 01:41
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

I don’t like the rc1-rc1 bit. I think once one knows the reason it exists, they 
can understand it, but a release candidate for a release candidate, is just 
hard to say with a straight face IMO. I prefer the rc1-vc1 bit myself. Either 
way, I think folks will ask what it means, but at least the words for the 
shorthand match exactly what it is; voting candidate for a release candidate 
versus RC for an RC. My couple pennies.

Wade

> On May 29, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> 
> 0
> 
> I don't see a problem with the "rc1-rc1", "rc1-rc2" approach.
> 
> Cheers,
> Antonio
> 
> On 29/05/18 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.
>> The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final release
>> of NB 9.0 will be rc2.
>> We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just like
>> all other releases.
>> There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better at
>> putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only need
>> one round of votes.
>> Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
>> i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an assumed
>> three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
>> only need rc2-vc1.
>> That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.
>> The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
>> Acceptance survey will be done.
>> Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
>> object, you should provide a counter proposal.


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AW: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Christian Lenz]

Of Course, it should be Apache NetBeans DIE but I think we don’t Need to make 
the Apache so proiminent. As you can see the new proposal, where Apache is 
above NetBeans. And -1 for incubating, but this is only my personal opinion. I 
know that this is still an incubating Project, but no one cares outside of the 
Apache world for this. They see NetBeans is an Apache Project. IMHO


Cheers

Chris


Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:02
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
i.e., 9.0.

However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.

We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.

Thanks,

Gj



On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:

> The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.
>
> The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Efrem
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> > Do we want an "incubating" text as well?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi David and Chris,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your great work.
> >>
> >> Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in
> this
> >> thread?
> >>
> >> That would move things forward.
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello there,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> happy to see some progress :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA
> >>>
> >>> Here you can find an export folder including both screens.
> >>>
> >>> But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual
> NetBeans
> >>> IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
> >>> latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map
> the
> >>> splash screen on it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> All the best,
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> uxactly  | raiken.de 
> >>> system design thinking
> >>>
> >>> Kurfürstendamm 28
> >>>
> >>> 10719 Berlin
> >>>
> >>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
> >>> Mail: da...@uxact.ly
> >>> Skype: rai...@live.de
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> LinkedIn  | Xing
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Von: *Christian Lenz 
> >>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
> >>> *An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> *Cc: *he...@raiken.de
> >>> *Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
> >>> Splash
> >>> screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an awesome
> >>> new
> >>> logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we will
> >>> have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
> >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Antonio]

+1 to include "incubating".

This is an Apache Incubator project, after all.

On 30/05/18 06:31, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Thoughts on this? We need to do a PR for the splash screen ASAP.

Thanks,

Gj

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:


It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
i.e., 9.0.

However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.

We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.

Thanks,

Gj



On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:


The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.

The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.

Regards,

Efrem

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:

Do we want an "incubating" text as well?



On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:


Hi David and Chris,

Thanks for your great work.

Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in

this

thread?

That would move things forward.

Thanks a lot,

Gj



On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz 

wrote:





Hello there,



happy to see some progress :)



https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA

Here you can find an export folder including both screens.

But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual

NetBeans

IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map

the

splash screen on it.





All the best,

David



--

uxactly  | raiken.de 
system design thinking

Kurfürstendamm 28

10719 Berlin

Tel: 0174 933 85 36
Mail: da...@uxact.ly
Skype: rai...@live.de



LinkedIn  | Xing




*Von: *Christian Lenz 
*Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
*An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
*Cc: *he...@raiken.de
*Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen



Hey,



so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
Splash
screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an

awesome

new
logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we

will

have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large





Cheers



Chris






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Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Thoughts on this? We need to do a PR for the splash screen ASAP.

Thanks,

Gj

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
> i.e., 9.0.
>
> However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
> Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.
>
> We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:
>
>> The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.
>>
>> The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Efrem
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:
>> > Do we want an "incubating" text as well?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi David and Chris,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your great work.
>> >>
>> >> Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in
>> this
>> >> thread?
>> >>
>> >> That would move things forward.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks a lot,
>> >>
>> >> Gj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello there,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> happy to see some progress :)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA
>> >>>
>> >>> Here you can find an export folder including both screens.
>> >>>
>> >>> But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual
>> NetBeans
>> >>> IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
>> >>> latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map
>> the
>> >>> splash screen on it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> All the best,
>> >>>
>> >>> David
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> uxactly  | raiken.de 
>> >>> system design thinking
>> >>>
>> >>> Kurfürstendamm 28
>> >>>
>> >>> 10719 Berlin
>> >>>
>> >>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
>> >>> Mail: da...@uxact.ly
>> >>> Skype: rai...@live.de
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> LinkedIn  | Xing
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *Von: *Christian Lenz 
>> >>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
>> >>> *An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> >>> *Cc: *he...@raiken.de
>> >>> *Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
>> >>> Splash
>> >>> screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an
>> awesome
>> >>> new
>> >>> logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we
>> will
>> >>> have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
>> >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: NetBeans podling report [Fw: Incubator PMC Board Report Timeline - June 2018]

[Emilian Bold]

Ah, nice! I wondered why we do these less often.

--emi

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On 30 May 2018 7:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga  
wrote:

> Not us. It is something that a podling needs to do once every 4 months, our
> 
> last was in April:
> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2018
> 
> The next on we should do is in August.
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:20 AM, Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Seems to have to write a report in a week.
> > 
> > --emi
> > 
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > 
> > On 30 May 2018 2:43 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Here’s the June 2018 Incubator report timeline:
> > > 
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2018
> > > 
> > > Wed June 06 -- Podling reports due by end of day
> > > 
> > > Sun June 10 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
> > > 
> > > Sun June 10 -- Summary due by end of day
> > > 
> > > Tue June 12 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day
> > > 
> > > Wed June 13 -- Report submitted to Board
> > > 
> > > Wed June 20 -- Board meeting
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Justin
> > 
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Re: NetBeans podling report [Fw: Incubator PMC Board Report Timeline - June 2018]

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Not us. It is something that a podling needs to do once every 4 months, our
last was in April:

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2018

The next on we should do is in August.

Gj

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:20 AM, Emilian Bold 
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> Seems to have to write a report in a week.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 30 May 2018 2:43 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here’s the June 2018 Incubator report timeline:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2018
> >
> > Wed June 06 -- Podling reports due by end of day
> >
> > Sun June 10 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
> >
> > Sun June 10 -- Summary due by end of day
> >
> > Tue June 12 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day
> >
> > Wed June 13 -- Report submitted to Board
> >
> > Wed June 20 -- Board meeting
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Justin
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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NetBeans podling report [Fw: Incubator PMC Board Report Timeline - June 2018]

[Emilian Bold]

Seems to have to write a report in a week.

--emi

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> Hi,
> 
> Here’s the June 2018 Incubator report timeline:
> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2018
> 
> Wed June 06 -- Podling reports due by end of day
> 
> Sun June 10 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
> 
> Sun June 10 -- Summary due by end of day
> 
> Tue June 12 -- Mentor signoff due by end of day
> 
> Wed June 13 -- Report submitted to Board
> 
> Wed June 20 -- Board meeting
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Justin
> 
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Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Emilian Bold]

> The -rc1 is 9.0-rc1-rc1 or some new tag on Github coming?

Good point, we have the 9.0-rc1-rc1 tag, perhaps I should add another tag 
9.0-rc1 pointing to the same commit?

--emi

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On 29 May 2018 10:00 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.  wrote:

> On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:34:36 +0200
> 
> Geertjan Wielenga geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Major development today, with thanks to many people for working on the
> > 
> > release and Emilian for putting it together, we have released the rc1
> > 
> > of Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.
> 
> The -rc1 is 9.0-rc1-rc1 or some new tag on Github coming?
> 
> Sorry for asking the obvious. That rc1-rc1 is confusing many. I know it
> 
> will not be repeated, or I hope it will not. ;)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> ---
> 
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Re: Keeping the DNS in netbeans.org domain was: Upload Maven bits

[Emilian Bold]

Of course this should be done in an orderly fashion. Not sure once Apache gets 
the domain if they will agree to this, particularly hg.netbeans.org since that 
will be like hosting / distributing source code they don't own and somebody 
will certainly rush to veto this.

I think there are a whole bunch of domains and URLs(!) that would be a shame 
not to have an orderly migration. Google ranking and general discoverability is 
going to be terrible if we just drop these domains from the Internet.

I remember a while back I wanted to start an 'Archival Project' to preserve 
most of what's right now online, but I saw little feedback from the Oracle side 
on getting access to the data (for example, a bugzilla database dump) and I 
don't feel like scrapping the whole website myself. Bugzilla of course, also 
has a ton of historical, contextual knowledge that will be terrible if it goes 
away -- commits and comments routinely reference bugzilla and much of the meat 
of understanding what happened is in the bugzilla comments.

--emi

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On 29 May 2018 4:00 PM, Jaroslav Tulach  wrote:

> Hello Emilian,
> 
> I'd even argue that once netbeans.org domain gets transfered to Apache, it
> 
> is important (for the smoothness of migration) to keep DNS names of certain
> 
> IP addresses. For example
> 
> hg.netbeans.org
> 
> wiki.netbeans.org
> 
> shall in my opinion continue to work and point to the same machines, while
> 
> they are on. This shall not be done to save Apache any resources - all new
> 
> development of Apache NetBeans shall use Apache infrastructure, but these
> 
> old machines contain a lot of knowledge and keeping their DNS records helps
> 
> us to transfer the important parts of wisdom in an incremental fashion to
> 
> the proper Apache infrastructure.
> 
> -jt
> 
> 2018-05-28 19:25 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch:
> 
> > Considering there is no public Apache NetBeans 9 that users may freely
> > 
> > download it might be a very good idea that netbeans.org is still under
> > 
> > Oracle control and users at least get to see some download button with an
> > 
> > installer. (I would also be curious to see, at least on private@ some
> > 
> > statistics for that download button while we still can).
> > 
> > Once we do have an Apache NetBeans 9 for users to download, including
> > 
> > "convenience binaries" then we can say it makes perfect sense to want the
> > 
> > whole netbeans.org domain too.
> > 
> > --emi
> > 
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > 
> > On 28 May 2018 6:33 PM, Jaroslav Tulach jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Back to mailing list...
> > > 
> > > Looks like my attempt to upload org.netbeans.html and other org.netbeans
> > > 
> > > binaries to Maven repository hasn't succeeded. One of the reasons is that
> > > 
> > > Oracle hasn't donated NetBeans trademark and netbeans.org domain to
> > > 
> > > Apache
> > > 
> > > yet. Surprising! I thought this was donated together with the 1st code
> > > 
> > > donation. Obviously it wasn't. At least we (as Oracle employees) have
> > > 
> > > something on to work on...
> > > 
> > > 2018-05-16 20:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Lambertus (JIRA) j...@apache.org:
> > > 
> > > > [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16435?page=
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-
> > > > 
> > > > tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16477884#comment-16477884 ]
> > > > 
> > > > Chris Lambertus commented on INFRA-16435:
> > > > -
> > > > 
> > > > Per discussion with Joel Orlina/Brian Fox/Sonatype, the existing Infra
> > > > 
> > > > tooling for repository.a.o apparently does not allow for the standard
> > > > 
> > > > staging/release process for coordinates outside of org.apache. I do not
> > > > 
> > > > know how those other artifacts are being pushed or managed. This is
> > > > 
> > > > not my
> > > 
> > > > area of expertise,
> > > 
> > > ...looks like Chris cannot explain why artifacts innon-apache.org
> > > 
> > > namespace appear in the repository. But it is clear such artifacts can be
> > > 
> > > uploaded as https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/
> > > 
> > > org/
> > > 
> > > proves. I guess the TODO for us (as the Apache gang) is to find out how
> > > 
> > > that is possible?
> > > 
> > > Once both TODOs (Oracle donates the domain and we find out how for
> > > 
> > > example
> > > 
> > > freemarker appears on the Maven repo) are marked as done, we can request
> > > 
> > > help from infra again.
> > > 
> > > -jt
> > 
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Re: HTML/Java API goes to Gradle

[Eric Wendelin]

Hi Jaroslav,

I'm just catching up from a holiday weekend and will give this a look
tomorrow or the next day.

Thanks for reaching out! Talk soon.

Cheers,
Eric

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:53 AM Jaroslav Tulach 
wrote:

> Thanks a lot Hans, for connecting me with potential reviewers.
>
> Hello Piotr, Eric, [my PR](
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-html4j/pull/6) has already
> been merged, but I'll be thankful for any comments. I can fix them in
> another PR. Especially the way I [hook between compile and jar targets](
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-html4j/pull/6/files#diff-1c983dc3ce8878c646f01e6fe5001845R42)
> feels slightly hacky. I just don't know a better solution.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> -jt
>
>
> 2018-05-25 20:44 GMT+02:00 Hans Dockter :
>
>> Hi Jaroslav,
>>
>> Sorry for the late response. I'm adding Piotr and Eric from the Gradle
>> build tool team to have a look at this and see what we can do to help.
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM Jaroslav Tulach <
>> jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello guys, hello Laszlo.
>>>
>>> For a while I was considering to expand the reach of the HTML/Java class
>>> post processing. So far we could do that from a command line and via a
>>> Maven plugin. There is a pull request
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-html4j/pull/6 that tries
>>> to do the same for Gradle. It works to some extent, but a review is needed.
>>> It is my first real Gradle plugin... Especially the way it inserts itself
>>> between compilation and packaging feels wild...
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your advices at
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-html4j/pull/6
>>> -jt
>>>
>>> PS: The challenge was to build the plugin with Maven. It is not easy to
>>> find proper Gradle JARs in Maven repositories. As such I decided to resort
>>> to a bit of reflection in some situations.
>>>
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Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Wade Chandler]

I don’t like the rc1-rc1 bit. I think once one knows the reason it exists, they 
can understand it, but a release candidate for a release candidate, is just 
hard to say with a straight face IMO. I prefer the rc1-vc1 bit myself. Either 
way, I think folks will ask what it means, but at least the words for the 
shorthand match exactly what it is; voting candidate for a release candidate 
versus RC for an RC. My couple pennies.

Wade

> On May 29, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> 
> 0
> 
> I don't see a problem with the "rc1-rc1", "rc1-rc2" approach.
> 
> Cheers,
> Antonio
> 
> On 29/05/18 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.
>> The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final release
>> of NB 9.0 will be rc2.
>> We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just like
>> all other releases.
>> There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better at
>> putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only need
>> one round of votes.
>> Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
>> i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an assumed
>> three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
>> only need rc2-vc1.
>> That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.
>> The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
>> Acceptance survey will be done.
>> Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
>> object, you should provide a counter proposal.


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Re: Contribute to the project

[antonio perez fernandez]

My name is Toni,

I'm a Java software engineer from 5 years and this is my first approach to
a free software project. I have experience in Java EE and Spring
technologies.

Netbeans was my first IDE and helped me a lot to achieve the goals of the
project. I would like Netbeans to be used by more people.

I have seen a lot of components in the JIRA project. I'm not sure where to
start.


Thanks.


Missatge de Geertjan Wielenga  del dia
dt., 29 de maig 2018 a les 19:37:

> Welcome and there’s lots to do! What’s your experience and what kind of
> features would you like to work on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, antonio perez fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Toni.
> >
> > I would like to contribute to this project with code.
> >
> > Someone could explain me the steps?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
>

Re: Postgres JDBC driver

[Glenn Holmer]

On 05/29/2018 02:33 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>>
>> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
>> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
>> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
>>
>> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
>>
>> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
>> above steps even worth the effort?
>>
> 
> Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
> Apache Derby would be another one.
> 
> For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
> removed MySQL:
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294
> 
> The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
> adding drivers.

OK, I'll attack it from that direction, then. I'd already had a look at
that PR.

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Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Antonio]

0

I don't see a problem with the "rc1-rc1", "rc1-rc2" approach.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 29/05/18 22:03, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.

The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final release
of NB 9.0 will be rc2.

We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just like
all other releases.

There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better at
putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only need
one round of votes.

Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an assumed
three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
only need rc2-vc1.

That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.

The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
Acceptance survey will be done.

Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
object, you should provide a counter proposal.

Thanks,

Gj



On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, William L. Thomson Jr.  wrote:


On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:34:36 +0200
Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:


Hi all,

Major development today, with thanks to many people for working on the
release and Emilian for putting it together, we have released the rc1
of Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.


The -rc1 is 9.0-rc1-rc1 or some new tag on Github coming?

Sorry for asking the obvious. That rc1-rc1 is confusing many. I know it
will not be repeated, or I hope it will not. ;)

Thank you!

--
William L. Thomson Jr.





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Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Geertjan Wielenga]

We’re going to continue to use the release90 branch.

The next — and hopefully last — release candidate before the final release
of NB 9.0 will be rc2.

We will need to vote on that release in the Apache PPMC and IPMC just like
all other releases.

There may be a need to vote multiple times, though we’re getting better at
putting releases together and so, just like for the rc1, we may only need
one round of votes.

Anyway, I propose we use the shortened names rc2-vc1, rc2-vc2, rc2-vc3,
i.e., ‘vc’ standing for ‘voting candidate’, these would be for an assumed
three rounds of Apache voting for the rc2 release, though we’ll probably
only need rc2-vc1.

That is also the structure suggested by our mentor Bertrand.

The rc2 will be the releae on which the NetCAT and beyond Community
Acceptance survey will be done.

Unless there are objections, I propose we use this structure. If you
object, you should provide a counter proposal.

Thanks,

Gj



On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, William L. Thomson Jr.  wrote:

> On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:34:36 +0200
> Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Major development today, with thanks to many people for working on the
> > release and Emilian for putting it together, we have released the rc1
> > of Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.
>
> The -rc1 is 9.0-rc1-rc1 or some new tag on Github coming?
>
> Sorry for asking the obvious. That rc1-rc1 is confusing many. I know it
> will not be repeated, or I hope it will not. ;)
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
>

Re: Postgres JDBC driver

[Matthias Bläsing]

Hi Glenn,

Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2018, 08:16 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
> 
> I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
> learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
> Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.
> 
> I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170
> 
> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
> above steps even worth the effort?
> 

Eirik already pointed out other drivers we might consider to bundle.
Apache Derby would be another one.

For the "add drivers" part it might be worth looking at the PR, that
removed MySQL:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/294

The changes that were done in db.drivers would need to be reversed for
adding drivers.

Greetings

Matthias

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Re: Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:34:36 +0200
Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Major development today, with thanks to many people for working on the
> release and Emilian for putting it together, we have released the rc1
> of Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.

The -rc1 is 9.0-rc1-rc1 or some new tag on Github coming?

Sorry for asking the obvious. That rc1-rc1 is confusing many. I know it
will not be repeated, or I hope it will not. ;)

Thank you!

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.


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Re: Apache on Apache was: Build systems [WAS: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1]

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Mon, 28 May 2018 21:40:29 -0400
Tim Boudreau  wrote:

> > Considering William L. Thomson Jr. single-handledly did the Gentoo
> > build system for NetBeans using portage it doesn't seem like an
> > impossible task.  

I have been doing Gentoo ebuilds for over a decade.  I can crank some
stuff out pretty quickly. I also re-did pretty much all of Java on
Gentoo to make packaging anything Java related less cumbersome.  I was
pretty well versed and system re-designed when I took on Netbeans
packaging my way. Using the stuff I have been working on for sometime.

Though others said my effort for updating Java on Gentoo was seemingly
impossible. What is impossible for some is feasible for others :)

> Most modules will be pretty simple 

The modules were pretty simple to package. That is also a testament to
consistent project structure for all sub projects. With a few
deviations here and there. For the amount of ebuilds, Netbeans was less
effort to package than other stuff with far less sub projects/modules.

Good work to all current and past Netbeans Developers!!!
Their good work is in part what saved me time. Much appreciated!!!

> - it's those that, say bundle  runtimes and things like that whose
> builds are non-trivial. That may be less of an issue today than it
> was 15 years or so ago.

Hard to say, but likely switching to say Maven or Gradle would be more
work than it took me using Portage on Gentoo + my stuff. Then again my
stuff was a long time in the making ~2yrs. Had it not been for all that.
It would have likely taken more to package Netbeans or any Java package.

-- 
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Re: NetBeans Slack?

[Glenn Holmer]

On 05/29/2018 11:40 AM, Mike Duigou wrote:
> I've been trying to join the NetBeans slack but the signup site,
> https://netbeans.signup.team/, mentioned on the wiki
> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate)
> appears to be defunct. 
> 
> Is there an alternate way to join? Attempting to join netbeans.slack.com
> requires administrator approval of my email address but doesn't suggest
> who I should contact. 

There is also an IRC channel on Freenode (#netbeans).

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Re: Contribute to the project

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Welcome and there’s lots to do! What’s your experience and what kind of
features would you like to work on?

Thanks,

Gj

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, antonio perez fernandez 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My name is Toni.
>
> I would like to contribute to this project with code.
>
> Someone could explain me the steps?
>
> Thank you.
>

Re: NetBeans Slack?

[Wade Chandler]

I will have to look at it. It seems the provider is having issues or something 
else is happening. I noticed other users of the service sites are down.

Wade



> On May 29, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Mike Duigou  wrote:
> 
> I've been trying to join the NetBeans slack but the signup site,
> https://netbeans.signup.team/, mentioned on the wiki
> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate)
> appears to be defunct. 
> 
> Is there an alternate way to join? Attempting to join netbeans.slack.com
> requires administrator approval of my email address but doesn't suggest
> who I should contact. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Mike

Re: Still problems editing Java code with NB 9.0

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Without an issue for each problem with precise step by step instructions, I
promise you this will never be fixed.

And RC1 is already released.

Gj

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, Peter Nabbefeld  wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> while RC1 is on its way to be released, I still get exceptions when typing
> some erroneous construct into the Java editor. E.g. I like to type the
> following:
>
> for (file:files) ...
>
> "files" here is a collection, and I like to use the hint to supply the
> type of "file" from the collection.
>
> Well, writing the type in front of the name isn't so much work, but I
> don't like those exceptions to be thrown. And there're others, too.
>
> Kind regards
> Peter
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>

Still problems editing Java code with NB 9.0

[Peter Nabbefeld]

Hello,

while RC1 is on its way to be released, I still get exceptions when 
typing some erroneous construct into the Java editor. E.g. I like to 
type the following:


for (file:files) ...

"files" here is a collection, and I like to use the hint to supply the 
type of "file" from the collection.


Well, writing the type in front of the name isn't so much work, but I 
don't like those exceptions to be thrown. And there're others, too.


Kind regards
Peter

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NetBeans Slack?

[Mike Duigou]

I've been trying to join the NetBeans slack but the signup site,
https://netbeans.signup.team/, mentioned on the wiki
(https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate)
appears to be defunct. 

Is there an alternate way to join? Attempting to join netbeans.slack.com
requires administrator approval of my email address but doesn't suggest
who I should contact. 

Thanks, 

Mike

Contribute to the project

[antonio perez fernandez]

Hi,

My name is Toni.

I would like to contribute to this project with code.

Someone could explain me the steps?

Thank you.

Re: Postgres JDBC driver

[Eirik Bakke]

> If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the above 
> steps even worth the effort?

Other JDBC drivers which could be included, with Apache-compatible licenses:
* Microsoft SQL Server: https://github.com/Microsoft/mssql-jdbc/tree/v6.5.2
* SQLite: https://github.com/xerial/sqlite-jdbc/tree/3.23.1

The MySQL/MariaDB ones are GPL/LGPL and so can’t be bundled, unfortunately. I’d 
still say it would be worth bundling PostgreSQL, SQL Server, and SQLite.

— Eirik

On 5/29/18, 9:16 AM, "Glenn Holmer" 
mailto:ce...@kolabnow.com>> wrote:

On 05/27/2018 02:21 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
Hey Glenn,
Am Montag, den 23.04.2018, 06:22 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
The Postgres driver shipped with NetBeans is several years old. Any
chance that could be updated for 9.0?
I'm not sure when I'll have time to look at this. I doubt, that it will
make it into Netbeans 9.0. I opened NETBEANS-870 to track this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-870
>From my POV this might be a good issue to work on as an outsider. What
needs to be done:
- get an updated driver
- check the license
- update the db.drivers module with the new binary and updated license
- get it reviewed and merged
If anyone wants to do it, I'll review.

I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.

I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170

If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
above steps even worth the effort?

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Where we are and where we are going with Apache NetBeans 9.0

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

Major development today, with thanks to many people for working on the
release and Emilian for putting it together, we have released the rc1 of
Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.

My thoughts on the current status are here in the Apache NetBeans blog:

https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/announce-apache-netbeans-incubating-91

The cadence of our releases is going to speed up significantly, I believe,
and we could look at doing a minor release every 2 months with a major
release every 6 months, for example. Right now everything is as slow as
sludge since we're getting started with the whole process, though we're
getting better at it all the time.

Please read the blog entry above to orientate yourself around where we are
and what the requirements are from this point onwards, feel free to ask
questions, and we can update that blog entry accordingly.

Thanks,

Geertjan, on behalf of Apache NetBeans PPMC

Postgres JDBC driver

[Glenn Holmer]

On 05/27/2018 02:21 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Hey Glenn,
> 
> Am Montag, den 23.04.2018, 06:22 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer:
>> The Postgres driver shipped with NetBeans is several years old. Any
>> chance that could be updated for 9.0?
> 
> I'm not sure when I'll have time to look at this. I doubt, that it will
> make it into Netbeans 9.0. I opened NETBEANS-870 to track this:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-870
> 
> From my POV this might be a good issue to work on as an outsider. What
> needs to be done:
> 
> - get an updated driver
> - check the license
> - update the db.drivers module with the new binary and updated license
> - get it reviewed and merged
> 
> If anyone wants to do it, I'll review.

I'd like to work on this. I'll have lots of questions, but I want to
learn the NetBeans internals. I'm studying "NetBeans Platform for
Beginners" and the API docs on netbeans.org.

I had a look at NETBEANS-170 (referenced by 870):

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-170

If Postgres is the last driver still bundled with NetBeans, are the
above steps even worth the effort?

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Re: NB 9.0 Splash Screen

[Geertjan Wielenga]

It should indeed be Apache NetBeans IDE, followed by the release number,
i.e., 9.0.

However, should "incubating" also be included, i.e., it would then be
Apache NetBeans IDE (incubating) 9.0.

We need to get this sorted so we can prepare the final release candidate.

Thanks,

Gj



On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Efrem Mc  wrote:

> The splash screen should use the same color scheme as the new logo.
>
> The branding name of "Apache NetBeans 9.0 IDE" looks more appealing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Efrem
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:
> > Do we want an "incubating" text as well?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21/05/18 11:21, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi David and Chris,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your great work.
> >>
> >> Could you tweak the text in the splash screen in the way discussed in
> this
> >> thread?
> >>
> >> That would move things forward.
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, David Schulz  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello there,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> happy to see some progress :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvkEqMrGBsUyzc9551xr1QD-8vKGnA
> >>>
> >>> Here you can find an export folder including both screens.
> >>>
> >>> But either way, I would love to test both screens on the actual
> NetBeans
> >>> IDE. It would be cool if one of you can send me a screenshot from the
> >>> latest build. To check if the splash screen fits I would love to map
> the
> >>> splash screen on it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> All the best,
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> uxactly  | raiken.de 
> >>> system design thinking
> >>>
> >>> Kurfürstendamm 28
> >>>
> >>> 10719 Berlin
> >>>
> >>> Tel: 0174 933 85 36
> >>> Mail: da...@uxact.ly
> >>> Skype: rai...@live.de
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> LinkedIn  | Xing
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Von: *Christian Lenz 
> >>> *Gesendet: *Montag, 21. Mai 2018 09:41
> >>> *An: *dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> *Cc: *he...@raiken.de
> >>> *Betreff: *NB 9.0 Splash Screen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> so as we have a release of NB 9.0 RC1 soon, we wanted to have a new
> >>> Splash
> >>> screen as a bit of a rebrand under Apache as we already have an awesome
> >>> new
> >>> logo. Unfortunately, there was no vote yet and I think, because we will
> >>> have a release very soon, shall we go with this proposal?
> >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaU7oQHVwAAoBzp.jpg:large
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
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> >>>
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Keeping the DNS in netbeans.org domain was: Upload Maven bits

[Jaroslav Tulach]

Hello Emilian,
I'd even argue that once netbeans.org domain gets transfered to Apache, it
is important (for the smoothness of migration) to keep DNS names of certain
IP addresses. For example

hg.netbeans.org
wiki.netbeans.org

shall in my opinion continue to work and point to the same machines, while
they are on. This shall not be done to save Apache any resources - all new
development of Apache NetBeans shall use Apache infrastructure, but these
old machines contain a lot of knowledge and keeping their DNS records helps
us to transfer the important parts of wisdom in an incremental fashion to
the proper Apache infrastructure.

-jt


2018-05-28 19:25 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold :

> Considering there is no public Apache NetBeans 9 that users may freely
> download it might be a very good idea that netbeans.org is still under
> Oracle control and users at least get to see some download button with an
> installer. (I would also be curious to see, at least on private@ some
> statistics for that download button while we still can).
>
> Once we do have an Apache NetBeans 9 for users to download, including
> "convenience binaries" then we can say it makes perfect sense to want the
> whole netbeans.org domain too.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 28 May 2018 6:33 PM, Jaroslav Tulach  wrote:
>
> > Back to mailing list...
> >
> > Looks like my attempt to upload org.netbeans.html and other org.netbeans
> >
> > binaries to Maven repository hasn't succeeded. One of the reasons is that
> >
> > Oracle hasn't donated NetBeans trademark and netbeans.org domain to
> Apache
> >
> > yet. Surprising! I thought this was donated together with the 1st code
> >
> > donation. Obviously it wasn't. At least we (as Oracle employees) have
> >
> > something on to work on...
> >
> > 2018-05-16 20:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Lambertus (JIRA) j...@apache.org:
> >
> > > [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16435?page=
> > >
> > >
> > > com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-
> > >
> > > tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16477884#comment-16477884 ]
> > >
> > > Chris Lambertus commented on INFRA-16435:
> > > -
> > >
> > > Per discussion with Joel Orlina/Brian Fox/Sonatype, the existing Infra
> > >
> > > tooling for repository.a.o apparently does not allow for the standard
> > >
> > > staging/release process for coordinates outside of org.apache. I do not
> > >
> > > know how those other artifacts are being pushed or managed. This is
> not my
> > >
> > > area of expertise,
> >
> > ...looks like Chris cannot explain why artifacts innon-apache.org
> >
> > namespace appear in the repository. But it is clear such artifacts can be
> >
> > uploaded as https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/
> org/
> >
> > proves. I guess the TODO for us (as the Apache gang) is to find out how
> >
> > that is possible?
> >
> > Once both TODOs (Oracle donates the domain and we find out how for
> example
> >
> > freemarker appears on the Maven repo) are marked as done, we can request
> >
> > help from infra again.
> >
> > -jt
>
>
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

[Kai Uwe Pel]

+1   Best congratulations to everybody -  Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 RC1 is 
alive now !


Cheers
Kai


On 5/29/2018 1:08 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:

+1 and congrats!!  Many thanks to all of those involved...the community
appreciates it!


On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:


Congratulations, especially to Emilian for managing the release and Antonio
for doing the related website updates.

Gj

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Antonio  wrote:


http://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-rc1.html

Congratulations everybody!

On 28/05/18 22:35, Emilian Bold wrote:


ANNOUNCE email sent: https://lists.apache.org/threa
d.html/1eb3e248e4f4f980ee21d4d3d103ed7ce17020e62489ba4be89e0
a9a@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E

Let's update the website.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐


On 28 May 2018 11:22 PM, Emilian Bold 

wrote:

Please wait for the ANNOUNCE email first.

All the votes links are tracked here https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
uence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1

The downloads should be https://www.apache.org/dyn/clo
ser.cgi/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1/

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 28 May 2018 10:29 PM, Antonio anto...@vieiro.net wrote:

Hi Emilian,

If you send me some links to votes and downloads I think we can update

the website after the announcement:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/45

Un abrazo,

Antonio

On 28/05/18 20:14, Emilian Bold wrote:

Thanks to all who voted!

The release has PASSED with the following IPMC votes:

+1 Ate Douma (binding)

+1 Bertrand Delacretaz (binding)

+1 Mark Struberg (binding)

+0 Justin Mclean (binding)

Also, 3 community members voted +1 on the IPMC thread.

10 members of the Apache NetBeans PPMC and Apache NetBeans community
voted +1 in the PPMC vote for this release, one Apache NetBeans PPMC

member

voted -1.

I will proceed to publish the release and send ANNOUNCE.

On behalf of the Apache NetBeans podling, thank you!

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 21 May 2018 1:33 AM, Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch

wrote:

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approved a proposal

to

release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1.

We now kindly request that the Incubator PMC members review and vote
on this incubator release candidate.

Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) vote thread:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c2a06adc83e2819e6d96c7d
ff8d0e22a97001f99bfda12515d4d9609@

Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) vote result thread:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/94f7a5e4601e26c7edb8264
df7df53dd8ed215ecfc568816a162f2af@

Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) constitutes all the modules in
the Apache NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans

Platform

(i.e., the underlying application framework), as well as all the

modules

that provide the Java SE-related features of Apache NetBeans.

In short, Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) is a full IDE for

Java

SE development.

Build artifacts available here:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1

The specific artifact to be voted on:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1/incubating-
netbeans-java-9.0-rc1-source.zip

Included in the above are the DEPENDENCIES, DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, and
NOTICE files, as well as a README file with build instructions,

which are

the same as these:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/README.md

SHA1: a1a265455c8246f849b14982fa3c36b351b21876

KEYS file:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS

Apache NetBeans Git Repo tag: 9.0-rc1-rc1:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-rc1-rc1

Note: NetBeans license violation checks are managed via the
rat-exclusions.txt file:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/
nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt

Rat report shows no unknown licenses, except for license files:

https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/302
/artifact/rat-java-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt

The license files listed in the Rat report are known and an issue
exists for solving this:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-305

Included as a convenience binary, not relevant for the voting
purposes (unzip it, run it and you'll see Apache NetBeans):

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1/incubating-
netbeans-java-9.0-rc1-bin.zip

Also included as a convenience binary the NBMs:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1/nbms

New & Noteworthy features of the 9.0 Release:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+
NetBeans+9.0+New+and+Noteworthy

Release specific wiki page:

https://cwiki.apache

Re: [Mentors] Assembling NOTICE for ASF dependencies

[Emilian Bold]

Would also like to point out to mentors 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-389 where my interpretation is that 
for such library-like dependencies we must not add anything at all to the 
NOTICE file.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 28 May 2018 10:17 PM, Matthias Bläsing  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I was looking into:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-827
> 
> My first impression was: Everything is correct. The NOTICE file for
> 
> commons-net reads:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Apache Commons Net
> 
> Copyright 2001-2017 The Apache Software Foundation
> 
> This product includes software developed at
> 
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
> 
> 
> -
> 
> According to the Howto:
> 
> http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#bundle-asf-product
> 
> We drop the "This product ..." lines, as these are already covered by
> 
> the netbeans NOTICE parts.
> 
> This would result in (embedded with the rest of the NOTICE file):
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Apache Commons Net
> 
> Copyright 2001-2017 The Apache Software Foundation
> 
> 
> --
> 
> So I would say: We did everything right - the only problem would be
> 
> discoverability inside the file. For that I did (see notice-post.txt in
> 
> the PR description for a sample output):
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/559
> 
> This being merged, I think we can close the issue as RESOLVED-FIXED.
> 
> So was discoverability really the only problem, Mentors, what is your
> 
> take on this?
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

[Josh Juneau]

+1 and congrats!!  Many thanks to all of those involved...the community
appreciates it!


On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:15 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations, especially to Emilian for managing the release and Antonio
> for doing the related website updates.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Antonio  wrote:
>
> > http://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90-rc1.html
> >
> > Congratulations everybody!
> >
> > On 28/05/18 22:35, Emilian Bold wrote:
> >
> >> ANNOUNCE email sent: https://lists.apache.org/threa
> >> d.html/1eb3e248e4f4f980ee21d4d3d103ed7ce17020e62489ba4be89e0
> >> a9a@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >>
> >> Let's update the website.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28 May 2018 11:22 PM, Emilian Bold 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please wait for the ANNOUNCE email first.
> >>>
> >>> All the votes links are tracked here https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
> >>> uence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1
> >>>
> >>> The downloads should be https://www.apache.org/dyn/clo
> >>> ser.cgi/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1/
> >>>
> >>> --emi
> >>>
> >>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> >>>
> >>> On 28 May 2018 10:29 PM, Antonio anto...@vieiro.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Emilian,
> 
>  If you send me some links to votes and downloads I think we can update
> 
>  the website after the announcement:
> 
>  https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pull/45
> 
>  Un abrazo,
> 
>  Antonio
> 
>  On 28/05/18 20:14, Emilian Bold wrote:
> 
>  Thanks to all who voted!
> >
> > The release has PASSED with the following IPMC votes:
> >
> > +1 Ate Douma (binding)
> >
> > +1 Bertrand Delacretaz (binding)
> >
> > +1 Mark Struberg (binding)
> >
> > +0 Justin Mclean (binding)
> >
> > Also, 3 community members voted +1 on the IPMC thread.
> >
> > 10 members of the Apache NetBeans PPMC and Apache NetBeans community
> > voted +1 in the PPMC vote for this release, one Apache NetBeans PPMC
> member
> > voted -1.
> >
> > I will proceed to publish the release and send ANNOUNCE.
> >
> > On behalf of the Apache NetBeans podling, thank you!
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> >
> > On 21 May 2018 1:33 AM, Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >>
> >> The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approved a proposal
> to
> >> release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1.
> >>
> >> We now kindly request that the Incubator PMC members review and vote
> >> on this incubator release candidate.
> >>
> >> Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) vote thread:
> >>
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c2a06adc83e2819e6d96c7d
> >> ff8d0e22a97001f99bfda12515d4d9609@
> >>
> >> Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) vote result thread:
> >>
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/94f7a5e4601e26c7edb8264
> >> df7df53dd8ed215ecfc568816a162f2af@
> >>
> >> Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) constitutes all the modules in
> >> the Apache NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans
> Platform
> >> (i.e., the underlying application framework), as well as all the
> modules
> >> that provide the Java SE-related features of Apache NetBeans.
> >>
> >> In short, Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) is a full IDE for
> Java
> >> SE development.
> >>
> >> Build artifacts available here:
> >>
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> >> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1
> >>
> >> The specific artifact to be voted on:
> >>
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/in
> >> cubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-rc1-rc1/incubating-
> >> netbeans-java-9.0-rc1-source.zip
> >>
> >> Included in the above are the DEPENDENCIES, DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, and
> >> NOTICE files, as well as a README file with build instructions,
> which are
> >> the same as these:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/README.md
> >>
> >> SHA1: a1a265455c8246f849b14982fa3c36b351b21876
> >>
> >> KEYS file:
> >>
> >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS
> >>
> >> Apache NetBeans Git Repo tag: 9.0-rc1-rc1:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/9.0-rc1-rc1
> >>
> >> Note: NetBeans license violation checks are managed via the
> >> rat-exclusions.txt file:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/
> >> nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt
> >>
> >> Rat report shows no unknown licenses, except for license files:
> >>
> >> https://builds.apache.org/