Re: Javadoc for 9 and 10

2019-01-18 Thread Antonio

Hi,

We're almost there:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1176


We've asked Apache Infra to modify the DNS settings of bits.netbeans.org 
to point to netbeans-vm.apache.org, this will take a little bit.


https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17692

After that the Apache NetBeans official javadoc will be at:

http://bits.netbeans.org/9.0/javadoc/
http://bits.netbeans.org/10.0/javadoc/
http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/javadoc/

Note that https://netbeans.apache.org/javadoc/dev/index.html will be 
deprecated (we may redirect it to bits.netbeans.org instead).


https URLs will take a bit longer, as we'll have to request and set up 
Let's Encrypt certificates.


For details on how this is set up please see

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/netbeans-javadoc+and+maven+utilities

Cheers,
Antonio

El 19/01/2019 a las 6:41, Jaroslav Tulach escribió:

Hi webmasters and release coordinators!

I can see our latest Javadoc at

https://netbeans.apache.org/javadoc/dev/index.html

but we don't seem to have pages for Javadoc 9 and Javadoc 10. E.g. I cannot
link to those versions from the above index page. The last version with
Javadoc that I found is:

http://bits.netbeans.org/8.2/javadoc/

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Javadoc for 9 and 10

2019-01-18 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
Hi webmasters and release coordinators!

I can see our latest Javadoc at

https://netbeans.apache.org/javadoc/dev/index.html

but we don't seem to have pages for Javadoc 9 and Javadoc 10. E.g. I cannot 
link to those versions from the above index page. The last version with 
Javadoc that I found is:

http://bits.netbeans.org/8.2/javadoc/

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Re: History

2019-01-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The whole of netbeans.org is donated, including that page.

Thanks,

Gj

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Antonio  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think we should ask Oracle to donate the "NetBeans history page" at
> https://netbeans.org/about/history.html, including that photo (any
> others would be welcome).
>
> We can then append the Apache history at the end.
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
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History

2019-01-18 Thread Antonio

Hi all,

I think we should ask Oracle to donate the "NetBeans history page" at 
https://netbeans.org/about/history.html, including that photo (any 
others would be welcome).


We can then append the Apache history at the end.

Thanks,
Antonio

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Re: Trying Out JDK Early Access builds

2019-01-18 Thread Rory O'Donnell

Hi Emi,

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/securityemail-090378.html 



Have a look at the above link, I hope that helps.

Rgds,Rory

On 18/01/2019 15:29, Emilian Bold wrote:

Hello Rory,

I was about to ask about JDK 11.0.2 but I now see it's been released 3
days ago! Any place I should subscribe for these release
announcements?

Last I remember there were some blockers on NetBeans with JDK 11.0.1
so we have been waiting on 11.0.2 since last year.

--emi

http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more!

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:04 PM Rory O'Donnell  wrote:


On 18/01/2019 14:32, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Hi all,

As part of evaluating how far along various popular open source projects are 
regarding testing with upcoming JDK releases, developers are regularly asked to 
consider participating in the OpenJDK Quality Outreach [1][2] effort that Rory 
(CC:ed, as the OpenJDK Quality Group Lead) leads.

Through that effort, more community testing of JDK Early Access (EA) builds are 
being encouraged, and to assist those projects that participate in filing, 
tracking, and (hopefully) resolving issues they find along the way. Currently, 
about 100 FOSS projects participate in the effort.

So it would be great if we'd take a chance to try out our projects that we 
develop with NetBeans with JDK 11, JDK 12, or JDK 13, as well as NetBeans 
itself, and if we run into any JDK-related showstopper issues, file them 
against the JDK.

Last but not least, you're invited to join the Quality Outreach effort with 
your projects. Rory can fill you in on the details of how it all works.

I send out email every 2-3 weeks depending on contents of the builds, example 
attached.
I try to highlight significant changes in the builds, allowing you to decide if 
you might want
to test with a particular build. We don't expect you to test every build, it's 
entirely up to you.

If you would like us to list your project on the Quality Outreach wiki [1] , 
can you provide a
contact name ,  mailing list - I guess d...@netbeans.apache.org ,the current 
status of you testing
against JDK 11,JDK 12 etc. and a CI if possible  ?

Rgds,Rory

[1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach


Thanks, comments welcome, and also feel free to reach out to Rory directly.

Gj

[1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach
[2] 
https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/download/attachments/21430310/TheWisdomOfCrowdTestingOpenJDK.pdf

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Quality Engineering Manager
Oracle EMEA , Dublin, Ireland


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Re: Trying Out JDK Early Access builds

2019-01-18 Thread Emilian Bold
Hello Rory,

I was about to ask about JDK 11.0.2 but I now see it's been released 3
days ago! Any place I should subscribe for these release
announcements?

Last I remember there were some blockers on NetBeans with JDK 11.0.1
so we have been waiting on 11.0.2 since last year.

--emi

http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more!

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:04 PM Rory O'Donnell  wrote:
>
>
> On 18/01/2019 14:32, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As part of evaluating how far along various popular open source projects are 
> regarding testing with upcoming JDK releases, developers are regularly asked 
> to consider participating in the OpenJDK Quality Outreach [1][2] effort that 
> Rory (CC:ed, as the OpenJDK Quality Group Lead) leads.
>
> Through that effort, more community testing of JDK Early Access (EA) builds 
> are being encouraged, and to assist those projects that participate in 
> filing, tracking, and (hopefully) resolving issues they find along the way. 
> Currently, about 100 FOSS projects participate in the effort.
>
> So it would be great if we'd take a chance to try out our projects that we 
> develop with NetBeans with JDK 11, JDK 12, or JDK 13, as well as NetBeans 
> itself, and if we run into any JDK-related showstopper issues, file them 
> against the JDK.
>
> Last but not least, you're invited to join the Quality Outreach effort with 
> your projects. Rory can fill you in on the details of how it all works.
>
> I send out email every 2-3 weeks depending on contents of the builds, example 
> attached.
> I try to highlight significant changes in the builds, allowing you to decide 
> if you might want
> to test with a particular build. We don't expect you to test every build, 
> it's entirely up to you.
>
> If you would like us to list your project on the Quality Outreach wiki [1] , 
> can you provide a
> contact name ,  mailing list - I guess d...@netbeans.apache.org ,the current 
> status of you testing
> against JDK 11,JDK 12 etc. and a CI if possible  ?
>
> Rgds,Rory
>
> [1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach
>
>
> Thanks, comments welcome, and also feel free to reach out to Rory directly.
>
> Gj
>
> [1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach
> [2] 
> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/download/attachments/21430310/TheWisdomOfCrowdTestingOpenJDK.pdf
>
> --
> Rgds,Rory O'Donnell
> Quality Engineering Manager
> Oracle EMEA , Dublin, Ireland
>
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Re: Trying Out JDK Early Access builds

2019-01-18 Thread Rory O'Donnell


On 18/01/2019 14:32, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

Hi all,

As part of evaluating how far along various popular open source 
projects are regarding testing with upcoming JDK releases, developers 
are regularly asked to consider participating in the OpenJDK Quality 
Outreach [1][2] effort that Rory (CC:ed, as the OpenJDK Quality Group 
Lead) leads.


Through that effort, more community testing of JDK Early Access (EA) 
builds are being encouraged, and to assist those projects that 
participate in filing, tracking, and (hopefully) resolving issues they 
find along the way. Currently, about 100 FOSS projects participate in 
the effort.


So it would be great if we'd take a chance to try out our projects 
that we develop with NetBeans with JDK 11, JDK 12, or JDK 13, as well 
as NetBeans itself, and if we run into any JDK-related showstopper 
issues, file them against the JDK.


Last but not least, you're invited to join the Quality Outreach effort 
with your projects. Rory can fill you in on the details of how it all 
works.


I send out email every 2-3 weeks depending on contents of the builds, 
example attached.
I try to highlight significant changes in the builds, allowing you to 
decide if you might want
to test with a particular build. We don't expect you to test every 
build, it's entirely up to you.


If you would like us to list your project on the Quality Outreach wiki 
[1] , can you provide a
contact name ,  mailing list - I guess d...@netbeans.apache.org ,the 
current status of you testing

against JDK 11,JDK 12 etc. and a CI if possible  ?

Rgds,Rory

[1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach


Thanks, comments welcome, and also feel free to reach out to Rory 
directly.


Gj

[1]https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach
[2]https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/download/attachments/21430310/TheWisdomOfCrowdTestingOpenJDK.pdf


--
Rgds,Rory O'Donnell
Quality Engineering Manager
Oracle EMEA , Dublin, Ireland

--- Begin Message ---

  
  
 

JDK 10 entered Rampdown Phase One on Thursday, 14 December
[1]  

  The Rampdown Phase One process will be similar to that of JDK
9 [2].

JDK 10 Early Access  build 36 is available at : - jdk.java.net/10/
Notable changes
  since previous email.
JEPS included the
last 3 builds:
JDK-8192833
:
  This
is the primary implementation subtask of JEP 322 - Time-Based
  Release Versioning

  JDK-8189941 
  : Implementation JEP 312: Thread-local handshake
JDK-8186571
  : Implementation: JEP 307: Parallel Full GC for G1
JDK-8190308
  : Implementation: JEP 316: Heap Allocation on Alternative Memory
  Devices

  build 36 
  JDK-8148421 
  : Transport
  Layer Security (TLS) Session Hash and Extended Master Secret
  Extension
JDK-5016517
  : Replace plaintext passwords by hashed passwords for
  out-of-the-box JMX Agent



build 35 
  JDK-8188870 
  - Bump classfile version number to 54
  JDK-8185985 - HTML files in doc-files
  subdirectories are wrapped with standard javadoc decorations
  JDK-8186535 - Remove deprecated
  pre-1.2 SecurityManager methods and fields

  build 34
- JDK-8024352 - MBeanOperationInfo accepts
any int value as "impact"
  
  Bug fixes reported by Open Source Projects  :
  JDK-8191078
: Wrong "Package not found" warning
  JDK-8191636
: [Windows] jshell tool: Wrong character in /env class-path
command crashes jshell
  JDK-8191834
  : Assigning
a void _expression_ to a "var" crashes the compiler
  JDK-8182638
  : [macosx]
Active modal dialog is hidden by another non-active one
  JDK-8043315
  : Nimbus:
Setting Nimbus.Overrides property affects custom keymap
installation
  JDK-8172244
  : AIOOBE
in KeyStore.getCertificateAlias on Windows
  JDK-8180141
  : Missing
entry in LineNumberTable for break statement that jumps out of
try-finall
JDK 10 Schedule, Status & Features are available [3]
Feedback - If you have suggestions or encounter bugs, please
submit them using the usual Java SE bug-reporting channel. 
Be sure to include complete version information from the output of
the java --version
command.

Regards,
Rory

[1] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-dev/2017-December/000357.html
[2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/rdp-1
[3] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/10/
-- 
Rgds,Rory O'Donnell
Quality Engineering Manager
Oracle EMEA , Dublin, Ireland 
  


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Re: Will we see you at FOSDEM?

2019-01-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
For sure -- and you'll see several Apache NetBeans people here:

https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/track/free_tools_and_editors/

I'm one of the initiators of the above new track.

Will be great to meet. :-)

Gj


On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:50 PM Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> as you likely know, FOSDEM is just around the corner, coming up in two
> weeks time (February 2nd and 3rd 2019, and it's in Brussels). I figured
> since a number of NetBeans people will be there, that I'd mention that
> Apache itself has a presence at the conference with a stand, where we'll
> answer questions and give away some nifty merchandise.
>
> If you are interested in helping, or meetups/beer events etc, you can
> take a look at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2019 and add
> yourself if you are attending (you may need to ask on dev@community for
> write access here).
>
> With regards and hopes on seeing lots of NetBeans people,
> Daniel.
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Will we see you at FOSDEM?

2019-01-18 Thread Daniel Gruno

Hi folks,

as you likely know, FOSDEM is just around the corner, coming up in two 
weeks time (February 2nd and 3rd 2019, and it's in Brussels). I figured 
since a number of NetBeans people will be there, that I'd mention that 
Apache itself has a presence at the conference with a stand, where we'll 
answer questions and give away some nifty merchandise.


If you are interested in helping, or meetups/beer events etc, you can 
take a look at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2019 and add 
yourself if you are attending (you may need to ask on dev@community for 
write access here).


With regards and hopes on seeing lots of NetBeans people,
Daniel.

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Trying Out JDK Early Access builds

2019-01-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all,

As part of evaluating how far along various popular open source projects
are regarding testing with upcoming JDK releases, developers are regularly
asked to consider participating in the OpenJDK Quality Outreach [1][2]
effort that Rory (CC:ed, as the OpenJDK Quality Group Lead) leads.

Through that effort, more community testing of JDK Early Access (EA) builds
are being encouraged, and to assist those projects that participate in
filing, tracking, and (hopefully) resolving issues they find along the way.
Currently, about 100 FOSS projects participate in the effort.

So it would be great if we'd take a chance to try out our projects that we
develop with NetBeans with JDK 11, JDK 12, or JDK 13, as well as NetBeans
itself, and if we run into any JDK-related showstopper issues, file them
against the JDK.

Last but not least, you're invited to join the Quality Outreach effort with
your projects. Rory can fill you in on the details of how it all works.

Thanks, comments welcome, and also feel free to reach out to Rory directly.

Gj

[1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach
[2]
https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/download/attachments/21430310/TheWisdomOfCrowdTestingOpenJDK.pdf


Updated tutorial: Java Quick Start Tutorial

2019-01-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all,

We're in the process of moving learning trails and tutorials from
netbeans.org to netbeans.apache.org, using Asciidoc, as well as GitHub, so
that anyone is able to suggest changes to tutorials via pull requests on
GitHub.

Action item for everyone: below is the new and updated quick start, take a
look, what do you think of it, any comments?

https://netbeans.apache.org/kb/docs/java/quickstart.html

The above is the Apache NetBeans version of this tutorial:

https://netbeans.org/kb/docs/java/quickstart.html

Part of what we're doing is using this opportunity to rework the tutorials
a bit, in this case, simplifying it and giving it a stronger focus on
letting the complete newbie get to a point of success more quickly.

And do others want to get involved in the process of reviewing, tweaking,
fixing tutorials? Here's the issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1867

In any case, comments on the tutorial above are needed!

Thanks,

Gj


Re: About the NetBeans brand and our trademark

2019-01-18 Thread Jan Lahoda
FWIW, there's a discussion on legal-discuss that is, I think, related to
this thread:
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201901.mbox/%3CCAK1xzDeKTOEpKED3PzTLuKkbtRi5ubv5AijcB%3DDvzo8PO0jU4w%40mail.gmail.com%3E

And there's a link in that thread that may be somewhat relevant as well:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-427?focusedCommentId=16722198&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-16722198

Jan


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:54 PM Emilian Bold  wrote:

> Note that the Apache link is about trademarks. It makes no difference if
> it's a convenience binary if the trademark is being (mis)used. It could
> just be the name or logo.
>
> --emi
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 16:32, Bertrand Delacretaz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Jan Lahoda  wrote:
> > > ...Frankly, I wonder if there's a chance to allow some "good" uses,
> like
> > "X
> > > with Apache NetBeans N" or a "Bundle of X and Apache NetBeans N",
> > provided
> > > some basic conditions are met,...
> >
> > Of course that's possible, as Geertjan says the NetBeans (P)PMC just
> needs
> > to clarify how things have to be named, to avoid confusion and especially
> > as you say make it crystal clear what comes from Apache NetBeans and what
> > does not.
> >
> > > ...this would
> > > be distributing an official release of NetBeans, just packed together
> > with
> > > something else
> >
> > If it's binaries then no, it is not distributing an official release
> > because releases consist only of source code.
> >
> > It's redistributing a convenience binary...I think we need to clarify at
> > the Apache level this difference, I recently proposed a two-level view on
> > releases and convenience binaries [1] which has not made its way to our
> > official docs yet but should help understand.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/01a64394c3996406d98904256ebdd46667bf73947983722e7ab57f50@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >
> --
> --emi
>