subject:"\[mentors\] New e\-mail list\: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org"

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-06-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:

> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.


Can Jirka Kovalsky (jkovalsky) and Hermien Pellissier (hermien) also be
made moderators for the netcat mailing list?

Thanks

Geertjan




On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> >Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people if
> they spam.
>
> > Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.
>
> > Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> > net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> > net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> the form tells me this:
> >>
> >>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
> >> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
> >>
> >> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should
> be
> >> the command to sucscribe
> >>
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
> >>>
> >>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> >>>
> >>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
> the
> >>> above?
> >>>
> >>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
> >> the
> >>> mailing list?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Geertjan
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
>  >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  done.
> 
>  LieGrue,
>  strub
> 
> 
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
> >> mentor
> > use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
> the
>  new
> > mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>  miena@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0,
> we
> >>> have a
>  separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> .
> 
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-29 Thread Mark Struberg

Hi John, others!

Yes there is indeed a big difference.

Note that the VOTE process at the ASF has not only the intention to make verify 
technical integrity.

It's also here to check whether all legal requirements are met. E.g checking 
the License of each file, notices, whether the code provenance is clean, etc.

LieGrue,
strub

> Am 28.05.2017 um 22:24 schrieb John McDonnell :
> 
> Hi Geertjan,
> 
> Do we not need to tailor this plan for the Apache process?
> 
> i.e. Netcat is 1 process we have of validating if a release is ready to go, 
> but I thought in Apache[1], but there needs to be a VOTE thread on the dev 
> mailing list and only the committers votes are taken into account.
> 
> So on the timeline on the confluence page, when are we proposing to start the 
> vote?  and how does the NetCAT programme feedback feed into this? 
> 
> [1]: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution#approving-a-release 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 May 2017, at 21:09, Geertjan Wielenga 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Great, many thanks, and for the record, here are the number of people
>> subscribed to the NetCAT mailing list under Oracle over the past 3 releases
>> of NetBeans:
>> 
>> 115: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/82/activity.html
>> 107: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/81/activity.html
>> 152: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/80/activity.html
>> 
>> FYI, here is where Jirka Kovalsky, who has been running NetCAT has
>> published plans, and so on, for the current NetCAT program, which he'll
>> introduce on the new Apace NetCAT mailing list soon, together with other
>> related announcements:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
 Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people if
>>> they spam.
>>> 
 Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
>>> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.
>>> 
 Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
 net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o
>>> 
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
 
 Great.
 
 Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
 
 Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
 
 Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
 net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Geertjan
 
 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
>>> 
 wrote:
 
> the form tells me this:
> 
>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
> 
> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should
>>> be
> the command to sucscribe
> 
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>> 
>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
>> 
>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
>> 
>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> 
>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
>>> the
>> above?
>> 
>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
> the
>> mailing list?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Geertjan
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
>>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> done.
>>> 
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
 
 Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
> mentor
 use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
>>> the
>>> new
 mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gj
 
 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>>> miena@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0,
>>> we
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:24 PM, John McDonnell
 wrote:
> ...there needs to be a VOTE thread on the dev mailing list and only the 
> committers votes are taken into account...

To be precise, all votes should be taken into account from a community
perspective but it's only (P)PMC member's votes which are "binding"
from the ASF's point of view.

The goal is to make the release an act of the Foundation instead of an
act of individuals.

-Bertrand

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Indeed, that is definitely a big distinction of NetCAT under Apache.

NetCAT will exist as input into the process of the Apache VOTE thread,
i.e., though it cannot be the single deciding factor as it has been under
Oracle and Sun.

Gj

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:24 PM, John McDonnell 
wrote:

> Hi Geertjan,
>
> Do we not need to tailor this plan for the Apache process?
>
> i.e. Netcat is 1 process we have of validating if a release is ready to
> go, but I thought in Apache[1], but there needs to be a VOTE thread on the
> dev mailing list and only the committers votes are taken into account.
>
> So on the timeline on the confluence page, when are we proposing to start
> the vote?  and how does the NetCAT programme feedback feed into this?
>
> [1]: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution#approving-a-release <
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution#approving-a-release>
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
>
> > On 28 May 2017, at 21:09, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Great, many thanks, and for the record, here are the number of people
> > subscribed to the NetCAT mailing list under Oracle over the past 3
> releases
> > of NetBeans:
> >
> > 115: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/82/activity.html
> > 107: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/81/activity.html
> > 152: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/80/activity.html
> >
> > FYI, here is where Jirka Kovalsky, who has been running NetCAT has
> > published plans, and so on, for the current NetCAT program, which he'll
> > introduce on the new Apace NetCAT mailing list soon, together with other
> > related announcements:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >>> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>
> >> Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people
> if
> >> they spam.
> >>
> >>> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>
> >> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
> >> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad
> you.
> >>
> >>> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> >>> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>
> >> Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Great.
> >>>
> >>> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>>
> >>> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>>
> >>> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> >>> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Geertjan
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
> >> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  the form tells me this:
> 
> > Next steps: We will create the lists and email
>  priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
> 
>  I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that
> should
> >> be
>  the command to sucscribe
> 
> 
>  LieGrue,
>  strub
> 
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Excellent. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> >
> > netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
> >> the
> > above?
> >
> > If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription
> to
>  the
> > mailing list?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
> >>  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> done.
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
>  mentor
> >>> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
> >> the
> >> new
> >>> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> 
>  Gj
> 
>  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
> >> miena@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e.

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-28 Thread John McDonnell

Hi Geertjan,

Do we not need to tailor this plan for the Apache process?

i.e. Netcat is 1 process we have of validating if a release is ready to go, but 
I thought in Apache[1], but there needs to be a VOTE thread on the dev mailing 
list and only the committers votes are taken into account.

So on the timeline on the confluence page, when are we proposing to start the 
vote?  and how does the NetCAT programme feedback feed into this? 

[1]: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution#approving-a-release 


Regards

John



> On 28 May 2017, at 21:09, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great, many thanks, and for the record, here are the number of people
> subscribed to the NetCAT mailing list under Oracle over the past 3 releases
> of NetBeans:
> 
> 115: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/82/activity.html
> 107: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/81/activity.html
> 152: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/80/activity.html
> 
> FYI, here is where Jirka Kovalsky, who has been running NetCAT has
> published plans, and so on, for the current NetCAT program, which he'll
> introduce on the new Apace NetCAT mailing list soon, together with other
> related announcements:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gj
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>>> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>> 
>> Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people if
>> they spam.
>> 
>>> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>> 
>> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
>> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.
>> 
>>> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
>>> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>> 
>> Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Great.
>>> 
>>> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
>>> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Geertjan
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 the form tells me this:
 
> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
 priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
 
 I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should
>> be
 the command to sucscribe
 
 
 LieGrue,
 strub
 
> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> 
> Excellent. Thanks very much.
> 
> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> 
> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> 
> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
>> the
> above?
> 
> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
 the
> mailing list?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
>>  
> wrote:
> 
>> done.
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
 mentor
>>> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
>> the
>> new
>>> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Gj
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
 
 Gj
 
 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>> miena@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0,
>> we
> have a
>> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> .
>> 
> 
> +1
> 
 
 
>> 
>> 
 
 
>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Great, many thanks, and for the record, here are the number of people
subscribed to the NetCAT mailing list under Oracle over the past 3 releases
of NetBeans:

115: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/82/activity.html
107: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/81/activity.html
152: https://qa.netbeans.org/processes/cat/80/activity.html

FYI, here is where Jirka Kovalsky, who has been running NetCAT has
published plans, and so on, for the current NetCAT program, which he'll
introduce on the new Apace NetCAT mailing list soon, together with other
related announcements:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT

Thanks,

Gj



On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Struberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> >Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people if
> they spam.
>
> > Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> I've set you and me as moderators for now.
> If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.
>
> > Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> > net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>
> Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> > net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> the form tells me this:
> >>
> >>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
> >> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
> >>
> >> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should
> be
> >> the command to sucscribe
> >>
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
> >>>
> >>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> >>>
> >>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
> the
> >>> above?
> >>>
> >>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
> >> the
> >>> mailing list?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Geertjan
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
>  >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  done.
> 
>  LieGrue,
>  strub
> 
> 
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
> >> mentor
> > use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
> the
>  new
> > mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>  miena@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0,
> we
> >>> have a
>  separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> .
> 
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-27 Thread Mark Struberg

Hi!

>Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Everyone can subscribe. Of course we can later forcefully remove people if they 
spam.

> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

I've set you and me as moderators for now.
If anyone else in the PPMC wants to help, just shout and we gonna ad you.

> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Send command mails to the listadm. See necat-help@netbeans.i.a.o

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 26.05.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga 
> :
> 
> Great.
> 
> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg 
> wrote:
> 
>> the form tells me this:
>> 
>>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
>> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
>> 
>> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should be
>> the command to sucscribe
>> 
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
>>> 
>>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
>>> 
>>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> 
>>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to the
>>> above?
>>> 
>>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
>> the
>>> mailing list?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Geertjan
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 done.
 
 LieGrue,
 strub
 
 
> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> 
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
>> mentor
> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the
 new
> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
 miena@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
>>> have a
 separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
 
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>> 
>> 
 
 
>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Great.

Gj

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:54 PM, John McDonnell 
wrote:

> Geertjan,
>
> The list of emails is obtained here: https://lists.apache.org/list.
> html?net...@netbeans.apache.org  list.html?net...@netbeans.apache.org>
>
> I have subscribed and sent a test email and it shows there..
>
> Regards
>
> John
> > On 26 May 2017, at 22:42, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> > net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> the form tells me this:
> >>
> >>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
> >> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
> >>
> >> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should
> be
> >> the command to sucscribe
> >>
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
> >>>
> >>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> >>>
> >>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to
> the
> >>> above?
> >>>
> >>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
> >> the
> >>> mailing list?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Geertjan
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg
>  >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  done.
> 
>  LieGrue,
>  strub
> 
> 
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
> >> mentor
> > use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register
> the
>  new
> > mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>  miena@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0,
> we
> >>> have a
>  separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> .
> 
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread John McDonnell

Geertjan,

The list of emails is obtained here: 
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?net...@netbeans.apache.org 


I have subscribed and sent a test email and it shows there..

Regards

John
> On 26 May 2017, at 22:42, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great.
> 
> Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
> net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg 
> wrote:
> 
>> the form tells me this:
>> 
>>> Next steps: We will create the lists and email
>> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
>> 
>> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should be
>> the command to sucscribe
>> 
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>>> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Excellent. Thanks very much.
>>> 
>>> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
>>> 
>>> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> 
>>> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to the
>>> above?
>>> 
>>> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
>> the
>>> mailing list?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Geertjan
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 done.
 
 LieGrue,
 strub
 
 
> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> 
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
>> mentor
> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the
 new
> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
 miena@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
>>> have a
 separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
 
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>> 
>> 
 
 
>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Great.

Who approves subscriptions to net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Who are the moderators of net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Who/how can a list be obtained of those who are subscribed to
net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Thanks,

Geertjan

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Mark Struberg 
wrote:

> the form tells me this:
>
> > Next steps: We will create the lists and email
> priv...@incubator.apache.org once we have done that.
>
> I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should be
> the command to sucscribe
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Excellent. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> >
> > netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to the
> > above?
> >
> > If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to
> the
> > mailing list?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> done.
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a
> mentor
> >>> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the
> >> new
> >>> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> 
>  Gj
> 
>  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
> >> miena@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
> > have a
> >> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
> >>
> >
> > +1
> >
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Mark Struberg

the form tells me this:

> Next steps: We will create the lists and email priv...@incubator.apache.org 
> once we have done that. 

I already got the mail that the list setup is done, so yes, that should be the 
command to sucscribe


LieGrue,
strub

> Am 26.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga 
> :
> 
> Excellent. Thanks very much.
> 
> Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:
> 
> netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> 
> And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to the
> above?
> 
> If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to the
> mailing list?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg 
> wrote:
> 
>> done.
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a mentor
>>> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the
>> new
>>> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Gj
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
 
 Gj
 
 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
>> miena@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
> have a
>> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
>> 
> 
> +1
> 
 
 
>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Excellent. Thanks very much.

Does that mean that this is how one should subscribe:

netcat-subscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

And does something then need to be done to approve whoever writes to the
above?

If so, who are the people who can approve requests for subscription to the
mailing list?

Thanks,

Geertjan

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mark Struberg 
wrote:

> done.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a mentor
> > use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the
> new
> > mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier <
> miena@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
> >>> have a
>  separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
> 
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Mark Struberg

done.

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 26.05.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga 
> :
> 
> Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a mentor
> use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the new
> mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
>>> have a
 separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
 
>>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Based on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238, can a mentor
use https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator to register the new
mailing list net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org?

Thanks,

Gj

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
>> have a
>> > separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
>> >
>>
>> +1
>>
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14238

Gj

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Hermien Pellissier 
wrote:

> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we
> have a
> > separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
> >
>
> +1
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-26 Thread Hermien Pellissier

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a
> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
>

+1

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-25 Thread Tushar Joshi

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a
> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
>

+1 for separate mailing list for NetCAT

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-25 Thread Wade Chandler

I agree with this. Too, I think that traffic will be quite a bit of noise
for the dev channel actually; a couple more hundred a month is a good
amount if one stacks on a healthy and growing dev list. I imagine we will
already get the NB platform traffic here initially.

Wade

On May 25, 2017 6:41 AM, "Geertjan Wielenga" <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a
> separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.
>
> Based on previous NetCAT programs, there should be quite a few people
> signed up that mailing list and a lot of very specific NetCAT discussion.
>
> Then, after that NetCAT program, when 9.0 is released, we can re-evaluate
> whether it makes sense to have a separate mailing list for this under
> Apache.
>
> Jirka Kovalsky, who has been leading NetCAT from the beginning, has
> provided a lot of info on NetCAT on the Apache NetBeans Wiki over the last
> few days:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+FAQ
>
> Those not familiar with this program, please read the above links and many
> thanks to Jirka for putting this info together.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Jiří Kovalský 
> wrote:
>
> > Oh, too bad that PNG files are treated as a potential threat.
> >
> > Here we go then:
> >
> > http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/2/21/Emails_traffic_netcat81.png
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Dne 24.5.2017 v 10:58 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> >
> >
> > I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments.
> >>
> >> --emi
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.koval...@oracle.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> And now with the chart. :)
> >>>
> >>> Apologies,
> >>> -Jirka
> >>>
> >>> Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
> >>>
> >>> Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning.
> >>> This
> >>>
>  can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT
>  related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during
>  NetCAT 8.1 program.
> 
>  Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic
>  and
>  producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT
>  communication
>  with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never
> got
>  used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be
> more
>  difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the
>  programs.
> 
>  -Jirka
> 
>  Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
> 
>  NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
> 
> > actively contributing on current development.
> >
> > The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all
> other
> > dev@
> > discussions.
> >
> > I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has
> 317
> > messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the
> rest
> > of
> > the months are more quiet.
> >
> > So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@
> > mailing
> > list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.
> >
> > PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
> > mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move
> Platform
> > discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having
> > NetCAT
> > on
> > dev@.
> >
> > 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean
> > s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1
> > YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo
> > -v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1
> > CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e=
> >
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler <
> > wadechand...@apache.org
> >
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >
> > Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
> >
> >> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well
> >> over
> >> a
> >> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
> >>
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net
> >> beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp
> >> kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=
> >> NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G
> >> W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e=
> >>
> >> Wade
> >>
> >> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg"  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Geertjan!
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
> >>>
> >>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

I propose that, for the first NetCAT in Apache, i.e., NetCAT 9.0, we have a
separate mailing list, i.e., net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org.

Based on previous NetCAT programs, there should be quite a few people
signed up that mailing list and a lot of very specific NetCAT discussion.

Then, after that NetCAT program, when 9.0 is released, we can re-evaluate
whether it makes sense to have a separate mailing list for this under
Apache.

Jirka Kovalsky, who has been leading NetCAT from the beginning, has
provided a lot of info on NetCAT on the Apache NetBeans Wiki over the last
few days:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+FAQ

Those not familiar with this program, please read the above links and many
thanks to Jirka for putting this info together.

Gj

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Jiří Kovalský 
wrote:

> Oh, too bad that PNG files are treated as a potential threat.
>
> Here we go then:
>
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/2/21/Emails_traffic_netcat81.png
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 24.5.2017 v 10:58 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
>
>
> I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> And now with the chart. :)
>>>
>>> Apologies,
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>>> Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
>>>
>>> Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning.
>>> This
>>>
 can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT
 related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during
 NetCAT 8.1 program.

 Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic
 and
 producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT
 communication
 with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never got
 used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be more
 difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the
 programs.

 -Jirka

 Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):

 NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are

> actively contributing on current development.
>
> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other
> dev@
> discussions.
>
> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest
> of
> the months are more quiet.
>
> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@
> mailing
> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.
>
> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having
> NetCAT
> on
> dev@.
>
> 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean
> s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1
> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo
> -v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1
> CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e=
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler <
> wadechand...@apache.org
>
>>
>> wrote:
>
> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
>
>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well
>> over
>> a
>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net
>> beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp
>> kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=
>> NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G
>> W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e=
>>
>> Wade
>>
>> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Geertjan!
>>
>>>
>>> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
>>>
>>> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
>>> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
>>>
>>> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
>>> I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd
>>> only
>>> do it once we get proper traffic.
>>> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
>>> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
>>> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the
>>> community
>>>
>>> to
>>
>> the lists is often much more work.
>>>
>>>
>>> txs and LieGrue

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread Jiří Kovalský


Oh, too bad that PNG files are treated as a potential threat.

Here we go then:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/images/2/21/Emails_traffic_netcat81.png

-Jirka

Dne 24.5.2017 v 10:58 Emilian Bold napsal(a):


I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments.

--emi

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský 
wrote:


And now with the chart. :)

Apologies,
-Jirka

Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):

Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning. This

can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT
related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during
NetCAT 8.1 program.

Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic and
producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT communication
with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never got
used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be more
difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the programs.

-Jirka

Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):

NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are

actively contributing on current development.

The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other
dev@
discussions.

I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest
of
the months are more quiet.

So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.

PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having NetCAT
on
dev@.

1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean
s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1
YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo
-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1
CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e=


--emi

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler 


wrote:

Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be

extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over
a
decade. This is just helping transition this process here:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net
beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp
kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=
NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G
W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e=

Wade

On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
wrote:

Hi Geertjan!


Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.

But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd
only
do it once we get proper traffic.
Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community


to


the lists is often much more work.


txs and LieGrue,
strub



Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <



geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:



Hi all, especially mentors,

We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans


Community



Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is



done,


constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9


features,



the NetCAT program can start.


There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the


final


approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done


by



the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).


However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing


steps


of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd


like a


specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.

What are the steps to request this mail alias?

Thanks,

Geertjan

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread Emilian Bold

I believe the mailing list is stripping attachments.


--emi

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Jiří Kovalský 
wrote:

> And now with the chart. :)
>
> Apologies,
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
>
> Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning. This
>> can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely NetCAT
>> related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic during
>> NetCAT 8.1 program.
>>
>> Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic and
>> producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT communication
>> with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because people never got
>> used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to this it will be more
>> difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at the end of the programs.
>>
>> -Jirka
>>
>> Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):
>>
>> NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
>>> actively contributing on current development.
>>>
>>> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other
>>> dev@
>>> discussions.
>>>
>>> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
>>> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest
>>> of
>>> the months are more quiet.
>>>
>>> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
>>> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.
>>>
>>> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
>>> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
>>> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having NetCAT
>>> on
>>> dev@.
>>>
>>> 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbean
>>> s.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1
>>> YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo
>>> -v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1
>>> CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e=
>>>
>>>
>>> --emi
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
 extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over
 a
 decade. This is just helping transition this process here:

 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.net
 beans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTp
 kKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=
 NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4G
 W-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e=

 Wade

 On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
 wrote:

 Hi Geertjan!
>
> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
>
> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
>
> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
> I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd
> only
> do it once we get proper traffic.
> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community
>
 to

> the lists is often much more work.
>
>
> txs and LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>>
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>
>>
>> Hi all, especially mentors,
>>
>> We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans
>>
> Community

> Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is
>>
> done,
>
>> constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9
>>
> features,

> the NetCAT program can start.
>>
>> There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
>> NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the
>>
> final
>
>> approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
>> Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done
>>
> by

> the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
>>
>> However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing
>>
> steps
>
>> of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd
>>
> like a
>
>> specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
>>
>> What are the steps to request this mail alias?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geertjan
>>
>
>
>

>>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread Jiří Kovalský

And now with the chart. :)

Apologies,
-Jirka

Dne 24.5.2017 v 09:22 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning.
This can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely
NetCAT related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic
during NetCAT 8.1 program.

Secondly, having a separate mailing list helps monitoring the traffic
and producing exactly charts like the one attached. Mixing NetCAT
communication with other stuff via dev@ list will not work, because
people never got used to prefixing subjects of their e-mails. Due to
this it will be more difficult to recognize best NetCAT contributors at
the end of the programs.

-Jirka

Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):

NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
actively contributing on current development.

The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all
other dev@

discussions.

I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the
rest of

the months are more quiet.

So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.

PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having
NetCAT on

dev@.

1.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbeans.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=WTmG5BwrWCnGwglW8cw0lCw4AboaVPvgigT9U9oc2D8&e=

--emi

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler
wrote:

Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well
over a

decade. This is just helping transition this process here:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.netbeans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=NxMYFmB8Gvldr-qO4gn-fwA4SrsF-dY1CIXawS100MA&s=i9LpYyOEqmDz4GW-zFFBWjWDzfMlM4T66DA24YnVZFM&e=

Wade

On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg"
wrote:

Hi Geertjan!

Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.

But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
I'm usually reluctant to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd
only

do it once we get proper traffic.
Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community

the lists is often much more work.

txs and LieGrue,
strub

Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <

geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:

Hi all, especially mentors,

We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans

Community

Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is

done,

constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9

features,

the NetCAT program can start.

There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the

final

approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done

the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).

However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing

steps

of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd

like a

specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.

What are the steps to request this mail alias?

Thanks,

Geertjan

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread Jiří Kovalský

They are often interested only in testing.

-Jirka

Dne 24.5.2017 v 08:45 Mark Struberg napsal(a):

Txs for the figures, Emilian!

One more question:
Are the NetCAT testers candidats for becomming future comitters?
Or are they 'just' interested in testing?

LieGrue,
strub

Am 23.05.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Emilian Bold :

NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
actively contributing on current development.

The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other dev@
discussions.

I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest of
the months are more quiet.

So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.

1.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netbeans.org_projects_www_lists_netcat_archive&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=90fHUKwajgc_VU3nGST2bY3Rj66flQMeBA7EawI7Gd4&s=nkVRojsOsisaf6XL_S8LieTiMrSj36igDw6t_bpIXr0&e=

--emi

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler
wrote:

Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
decade. This is just helping transition this process here:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.netbeans.org_NetCAT&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lNbsjsPBIlkvLk3cCo-v9Cl8OCHz_BBqfpuXTKAlzb4&m=90fHUKwajgc_VU3nGST2bY3Rj66flQMeBA7EawI7Gd4&s=SPnTygXa6FUswCD3B3ndzOjHlU8JAC9U-cl3oa8tzyU&e=

Wade

On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg"
wrote:

Hi Geertjan!

Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.

But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
I'm usually reluctant to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only
do it once we get proper traffic.
Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community

the lists is often much more work.

txs and LieGrue,
strub

Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <

geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:

Hi all, especially mentors,

We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans

Community

Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is

done,

constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9

features,

the NetCAT program can start.

There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the

final

approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done

the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).

However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing

steps

of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd

like a

specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.

What are the steps to request this mail alias?

Thanks,

Geertjan

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread Jiří Kovalský

Emilian is right that typically the traffic is high in the beginning.
This can result in getting between 20 - 50 mails daily with purely
NetCAT related content. Please see attached chart with e-mail traffic
during NetCAT 8.1 program.

-Jirka

Dne 23.5.2017 v 22:34 Emilian Bold napsal(a):

NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
actively contributing on current development.

The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other dev@
discussions.

I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest of
the months are more quiet.

So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.

--emi

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler
wrote:

Wade

On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg"
wrote:

Hi Geertjan!

Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.

But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

the lists is often much more work.

txs and LieGrue,
strub

Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <

geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:

Hi all, especially mentors,

We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans

Community

Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is

done,

constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9

features,

the NetCAT program can start.

There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the

final

approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done

the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).

However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing

steps

of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd

like a

specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.

What are the steps to request this mail alias?

Thanks,

Geertjan

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-24 Thread John McDonnell

Mark,

It might be a bit of both, or at lease use the NetCat process as their
first foray into working on an OS project like NetBeans.

Some of us even provide fixes for defects we noticed, fix tutorials etc...

For example, I'm, not a committer, but I do try to take part in the
NetCat process.  Maybe in the future when I start giving more to the
community/project I'll be voted in as a committer.

Regards

John



On 24 May 2017 at 07:45, Mark Struberg  wrote:
> Txs for the figures, Emilian!
>
> One more question:
> Are the NetCAT testers candidats for becomming future comitters?
> Or are they 'just' interested in testing?
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>> Am 23.05.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Emilian Bold :
>>
>> NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
>> actively contributing on current development.
>>
>> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other dev@
>> discussions.
>>
>> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
>> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest of
>> the months are more quiet.
>>
>> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
>> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.
>>
>> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
>> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
>> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having NetCAT on
>> dev@.
>>
>> 1. https://netbeans.org/projects/www/lists/netcat/archive
>>
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
>>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
>>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetCAT
>>>
>>> Wade
>>>
>>> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Geertjan!

 Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.

 But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
 The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

 Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
 I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only
 do it once we get proper traffic.
 Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
 Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
 Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community
>>> to
 the lists is often much more work.


 txs and LieGrue,
 strub



> Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
 geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
>
> Hi all, especially mentors,
>
> We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans
>>> Community
> Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is
 done,
> constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9
>>> features,
> the NetCAT program can start.
>
> There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
> NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the
 final
> approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
> Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done
>>> by
> the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
>
> However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing
 steps
> of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd
 like a
> specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
>
> What are the steps to request this mail alias?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan


>>>
>



-- 
John

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-23 Thread Mark Struberg

Txs for the figures, Emilian!

One more question: 
Are the NetCAT testers candidats for becomming future comitters?
Or are they 'just' interested in testing?

LieGrue,
strub

> Am 23.05.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Emilian Bold :
> 
> NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
> actively contributing on current development.
> 
> The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other dev@
> discussions.
> 
> I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
> messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest of
> the months are more quiet.
> 
> So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
> list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.
> 
> PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
> mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
> discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having NetCAT on
> dev@.
> 
> 1. https://netbeans.org/projects/www/lists/netcat/archive
> 
> 
> --emi
> 
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler 
> wrote:
> 
>> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
>> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
>> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetCAT
>> 
>> Wade
>> 
>> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geertjan!
>>> 
>>> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
>>> 
>>> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
>>> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
>>> 
>>> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
>>> I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only
>>> do it once we get proper traffic.
>>> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
>>> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
>>> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community
>> to
>>> the lists is often much more work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> txs and LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
 
 Hi all, especially mentors,
 
 We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans
>> Community
 Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is
>>> done,
 constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9
>> features,
 the NetCAT program can start.
 
 There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
 NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the
>>> final
 approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
 Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done
>> by
 the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
 
 However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing
>>> steps
 of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd
>>> like a
 specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
 
 What are the steps to request this mail alias?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Geertjan
>>> 
>>> 
>>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-23 Thread Emilian Bold

NetCAT folks would probably be a good fit for dev@ because they are
actively contributing on current development.

The only problem is if NetCAT has so much traffic that drowns all other dev@
discussions.

I see[1] the peak was July 2016 with 225 messages and July 2015 has 317
messages. That's probably less than discussion 100 threads and the rest of
the months are more quiet.

So, it seems to be quite manageable to handle NetCAT on the dev@ mailing
list. Especially considering people seem to use [tags] too.

PS: I would also make a platform@ mailing list. Previous discussions
mentioned we should try to stick to users@ and dev@ and move Platform
discussions into users@ which I find more odd compared to having NetCAT on
dev@.

1. https://netbeans.org/projects/www/lists/netcat/archive


--emi

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Wade Chandler 
wrote:

> Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
> extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
> decade. This is just helping transition this process here:
>
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetCAT
>
> Wade
>
> On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Geertjan!
> >
> > Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
> >
> > But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
> > The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
> >
> > Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
> > I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only
> > do it once we get proper traffic.
> > Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
> > Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
> > Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community
> to
> > the lists is often much more work.
> >
> >
> > txs and LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> > >
> > > Hi all, especially mentors,
> > >
> > > We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans
> Community
> > > Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is
> > done,
> > > constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9
> features,
> > > the NetCAT program can start.
> > >
> > > There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
> > > NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the
> > final
> > > approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
> > > Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done
> by
> > > the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
> > >
> > > However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing
> > steps
> > > of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd
> > like a
> > > specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
> > >
> > > What are the steps to request this mail alias?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Geertjan
> >
> >
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-23 Thread Wade Chandler

Netcat is a specific and special program allowing non-commiters to be
extremely helpful contributors, which has been successful for well over a
decade. This is just helping transition this process here:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetCAT

Wade

On May 23, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mark Struberg"  wrote:

> Hi Geertjan!
>
> Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket.
>
> But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC.
> The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.
>
> Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
> I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only
> do it once we get proper traffic.
> Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect?
> Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium.
> Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community to
> the lists is often much more work.
>
>
> txs and LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> > Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:
> >
> > Hi all, especially mentors,
> >
> > We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans Community
> > Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is
> done,
> > constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9 features,
> > the NetCAT program can start.
> >
> > There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
> > NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the
> final
> > approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
> > Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done by
> > the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
> >
> > However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing
> steps
> > of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd
> like a
> > specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
> >
> > What are the steps to request this mail alias?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geertjan
>
>

Re: [mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-23 Thread Mark Struberg

Hi Geertjan!

Technically that's as easy as creating an INFRA ticket. 

But note that such things first need consensus among the PMC. 
The Apache way would be to create a [DISCUSS] mail thread.

Do you think that there will be sufficient traffic on this list?
I'm usually reluctant  to introduce lists and resources upfront. I'd only do it 
once we get proper traffic.
Do you mind to share the amount of traffic you expect? 
Ofc the amount of traffic is only one possible criterium. 
Setting up the mailing lists is rather cheap, but getting the community to the 
lists is often much more work.


txs and LieGrue,
strub



> Am 22.05.2017 um 12:24 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga 
> :
> 
> Hi all, especially mentors,
> 
> We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans Community
> Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is done,
> constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9 features,
> the NetCAT program can start.
> 
> There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
> NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the final
> approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
> Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done by
> the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).
> 
> However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing steps
> of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd like a
> specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.
> 
> What are the steps to request this mail alias?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geertjan

[mentors] New e-mail list: net...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

2017-05-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga

Hi all, especially mentors,

We'd like to set up a new mailing list for NetCAT (the NetBeans Community
Acceptance Testing team), so that as soon as the 1st code donation is done,
constituting a Java SE distro of NetBeans IDE, including Java 9 features,
the NetCAT program can start.

There's always a subset of the NetBeans community that verifies new
NetBeans releases. Under Apache, that process is different, i.e., the final
approval of a release in the incubator is done by the IPMC (i.e., the
Apache incubator team) and once we're a top level project will be done by
the PMC (i.e., the Apache NetBeans committers).

However, not everyone is actually going to be doing the final testing steps
of NetBeans, that's going to continue under Apache -- and hence we'd like a
specific mailing list for this subset of the NetBeans community.

What are the steps to request this mail alias?

Thanks,

Geertjan

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