Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 07/11/2012 Fan Zheng wrote:
> Suggestion:
> We should assign a specified person be responsible to broadcasting the
> status and the progress online, before the next CONF.

I agree, but choose someone who is not a speaker and make sure he has
access to Roller (and has actually tried to use it) before the
conference starts. This way we can be sure that communication will be
efficient.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Ji Yan]

Rob, very good post, thanks


2012/11/8 Kevin Grignon 

>
>
> On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
> >  wrote:
> >> Rob,
> >>
> >> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
> >> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
> >>
> >
> >
> > How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
> > scenario testing is most typically a product design function.  For
> > example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
> > prototype.
> >
> > But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
> > is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:
> >
> > 1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
> > various skill levels, what could they do *now*?
> >
> > 2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
> > they could get involved in.
> >
> > 3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
> > connect this into the Orientation work:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
> >
> > 4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?
> >
> > 5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers
> >
> > Key observation:  when we do a call for volunteers, people will
> > volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
> > a week later, some two weeks later, etc.  You will go crazy if you
> > have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
> > So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
> > website is key.  That is the purpose of orientation.
> >
> > I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
> > experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
> > of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
>
> Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. This aligns with my initial thoughts and
> provides some great recommendations to move forward.
>
>
>
> >
> >> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved.
> Validating
> >> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
> >> important.
> >>
> >> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was
> working
> >> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to
> capture
> >> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all
> stakeholders
> >> to reference moving forward.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> 
>  If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA,
> let me
>  know.
> 
>  But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>  effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
>  soon as well.
> 
>  -Rob
> 
> >>>
> >>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
> "Apache
> >>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> >>> provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> >>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
> >>>
> >>> Looking forward to the final draft.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>> MzK
> >>>
> >>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> >>> dealt  with a cat."
> >>>-- Robert Heinlein
> >>>
>



-- 


Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: Community Session

[Fan Zheng]

2012/11/8 Dennis E. Hamilton 

> The first report is great.  The slides give a great view into the spirit
> of the project and the ASF (not to mention the chair).
>
> It would be great if someone would give us captions for who the folks in
> the panorama are.  I recognize Svante Schubert and (by elimination),
> imacat.  Not sure about others at all.
>

Saw Armin, Herbert, Andrea, Jörg and Oliver there.

Who are the else?


>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Donald Harbison [mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 17:26
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Community Session
>
> Very cool!
> Can this image be embedded in one of Andrea's  daily reports?
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Click to view interactively: http://360.io/LWdsMb
> > Captured with
> >
> >
> > *** stock iPhone disclaimer ***
>
>

Re: Updated CNet Editors' Review: AOO 3.4.1: "Spectacular", 5 stars

[Greg Madden]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Just noticing now, but CNet added a review of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1
> back on October 16th:
>
> http://download.cnet.com/OpenOffice-org/3000-18483_4-10263109.html?tag=mncol;1
>
> Overall it is a good review.  Main criticism is that we don't have an
> integrated email client.
>
> I'll add some quotes to our reviews page:
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html
>
> Have we had any other reviews we should add to that page as well?
>
> -Rob


CNET does call ODF an OpenOffice proprietary file format  :-(

They like that it is free beer, not much of an endorsement.

-- 
Peace

Greg Madden

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Kevin Grignon]

On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
>  wrote:
>> Rob,
>> 
>> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
>> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
>> 
> 
> 
> How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
> scenario testing is most typically a product design function.  For
> example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
> prototype.
> 
> But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
> is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:
> 
> 1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
> various skill levels, what could they do *now*?
> 
> 2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
> they could get involved in.
> 
> 3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
> connect this into the Orientation work:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
> 
> 4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?
> 
> 5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers
> 
> Key observation:  when we do a call for volunteers, people will
> volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
> a week later, some two weeks later, etc.  You will go crazy if you
> have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
> So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
> website is key.  That is the purpose of orientation.
> 
> I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
> experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
> of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. This aligns with my initial thoughts and 
provides some great recommendations to move forward. 



> 
>> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved. Validating
>> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
>> important.
>> 
>> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was working
>> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to capture
>> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all stakeholders
>> to reference moving forward.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> 
 
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
 
 If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
 know.
 
 But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
 effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
 soon as well.
 
 -Rob
 
>>> 
>>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
>>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>>> provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>>> 
>>> Looking forward to the final draft.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MzK
>>> 
>>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>>> dealt  with a cat."
>>>-- Robert Heinlein
>>> 

Re: Updated CNet Editors' Review: AOO 3.4.1: "Spectacular", 5 stars

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Indeed.
Louis
On 12-11-07, at 14:29 , Donald Harbison  wrote:

> Great catch. Thx.
> 
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Rob Weir wrote:
> 
>> Just noticing now, but CNet added a review of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1
>> back on October 16th:
>> 
>> 
>> http://download.cnet.com/OpenOffice-org/3000-18483_4-10263109.html?tag=mncol;1
>> 
>> Overall it is a good review.  Main criticism is that we don't have an
>> integrated email client.
>> 
>> I'll add some quotes to our reviews page:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html
>> 
>> Have we had any other reviews we should add to that page as well?
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 

RE: Community Session

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

The first report is great.  The slides give a great view into the spirit of the 
project and the ASF (not to mention the chair).

It would be great if someone would give us captions for who the folks in the 
panorama are.  I recognize Svante Schubert and (by elimination), imacat.  Not 
sure about others at all.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Donald Harbison [mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 17:26
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Community Session

Very cool!
Can this image be embedded in one of Andrea's  daily reports?

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Andrew Rist wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Click to view interactively: http://360.io/LWdsMb
> Captured with
>
>
> *** stock iPhone disclaimer ***

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Donald Harbison]

@Andrea, OK, I updated FB and G+ and kicked off a tweet...will follow with
more as you and the HH team post more updates.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:

> Great stuff Andrea!
>
> I really like your Personal story. Very well done.
>
> We'll tweet and tie back to these posts from FB and G+.
>
> Keep it coming! ...your recommendations with respect to ACNA are most
> welcome. We will need to figure that out very quickly with CFP closing very
> soon.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>> When you get this ON the blog, let us know so we can highlight it in the
>>> right hand panel.
>>>
>>
>> Blog post now live. It is the report of Day 1. I hope reporting about Day
>> 2 and Day 3 will work more smoothly, and since I now have a working Roller
>> account (thanks Marcus) I'll take care of Day 2.
>>
>> You can find Day 1 at
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/**entry/openoffice_track_at_**apachecon_day
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
>
>

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Donald Harbison]

Great stuff Andrea!

I really like your Personal story. Very well done.

We'll tweet and tie back to these posts from FB and G+.

Keep it coming! ...your recommendations with respect to ACNA are most
welcome. We will need to figure that out very quickly with CFP closing very
soon.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> When you get this ON the blog, let us know so we can highlight it in the
>> right hand panel.
>>
>
> Blog post now live. It is the report of Day 1. I hope reporting about Day
> 2 and Day 3 will work more smoothly, and since I now have a working Roller
> account (thanks Marcus) I'll take care of Day 2.
>
> You can find Day 1 at
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/**entry/openoffice_track_at_**apachecon_day
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

Re: Community Session

[Donald Harbison]

Very cool!
Can this image be embedded in one of Andrea's  daily reports?

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Andrew Rist wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Click to view interactively: http://360.io/LWdsMb
> Captured with
>
>
> *** stock iPhone disclaimer ***

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Kay Schenk wrote:

When you get this ON the blog, let us know so we can highlight it in the
right hand panel.


Blog post now live. It is the report of Day 1. I hope reporting about 
Day 2 and Day 3 will work more smoothly, and since I now have a working 
Roller account (thanks Marcus) I'll take care of Day 2.


You can find Day 1 at
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/openoffice_track_at_apachecon_day

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: IPR PERMISSION

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
>
> On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>
>>> Please find the attachment.
>>
>>
>> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
>> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
>> OpenOffice wiki.
>>
>> The attachment is now available at:
>> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>>
>> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
>> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
>> with AOO.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
> Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or Creative
> Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think using the
> graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these licenses. Several
> contributing authors are on this list, however, and they may wish to comment
> as well.

All we can really do is point to the license if we can determine what it is.

>>
>>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "You're not going to believe car are you?"
> -- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"

Re: IPR PERMISSION

[Kay Schenk]

On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:

On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:

Please find the attachment.


The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
OpenOffice wiki.

The attachment is now available at:
http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf

NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
with AOO.

Peter





I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User 
Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or 
Creative Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think 
using the graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these 
licenses. Several contributing authors are on this list, however, and 
they may wish to comment as well.




--

MzK

"You're not going to believe car are you?"
-- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Kay Schenk]

On 11/07/2012 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Kay Schenk wrote:

Yes! No begrudging their busy-ness from me.  I'm sure we'll hear lots on
the weekend!


It's really nice to see that many people eager to know about ApacheCon!

Thanks to Armin's account we now have a draft blog post covering day 1 at
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=openoffice_track_at_apachecon_day


which will need to be completed soon with proper embedding of my
presentation (iframe is apparently blocked, so I'll replace it with an
img linked to Slideshare and imacat's material).

Since the content was already reviewed by people here, I'd fast track it
for publication as soon as we get these last details in place. The link
is a preview link: please don't share before it's published.

Feel free to make edits/corrections directly online, it's best for us.

Regards,
   Andrea.


Andrea, super!

When you get this ON the blog, let us know so we can highlight it in the 
right hand panel.


--

MzK

"You're not going to believe car are you?"
-- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"

Re: Roller account request

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 11/07/2012 09:51 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 06/11/2012 Dave Fisher wrote:

You have to sign up for a roller account first.
Once that is done then either Marcus or I can invite you to the blog.


Thanks, almost there... my account has now been created and I just need
to have access to the OpenOffice blog.

Actually the account needs to be created by Infra, see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5493

Then you will finally get some updates from the conference (which
started very well, if you are curious to know!).


I was now able to invite you as blog user with "Author" permissions. As 
I've done it the first time I don't know what will come next. Maybe you 
have to accept the invitation, then I can see you in the member list.


HTH

Marcus

Re: Updated CNet Editors' Review: AOO 3.4.1: "Spectacular", 5 stars

[Donald Harbison]

Great catch. Thx.

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012, Rob Weir wrote:

> Just noticing now, but CNet added a review of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1
> back on October 16th:
>
>
> http://download.cnet.com/OpenOffice-org/3000-18483_4-10263109.html?tag=mncol;1
>
> Overall it is a good review.  Main criticism is that we don't have an
> integrated email client.
>
> I'll add some quotes to our reviews page:
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html
>
> Have we had any other reviews we should add to that page as well?
>
> -Rob
>

Updated CNet Editors' Review: AOO 3.4.1: "Spectacular", 5 stars

[Rob Weir]

Just noticing now, but CNet added a review of Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1
back on October 16th:

http://download.cnet.com/OpenOffice-org/3000-18483_4-10263109.html?tag=mncol;1

Overall it is a good review.  Main criticism is that we don't have an
integrated email client.

I'll add some quotes to our reviews page:
http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html

Have we had any other reviews we should add to that page as well?

-Rob

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
>> me
>> >> know.
>> >>
>> >> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> >> effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
>> >> soon as well.
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >
>> > oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
>> "Apache
>> > OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>> > provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>> > more likely they would be to help with QA.
>> >
>>
>> OK.  I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Looking forward to the final draft.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>> >  dealt  with a cat."
>> > -- Robert Heinlein
>>
>
> When will the post go live?
>

Personally, I think it is ready now.  But I'm willing to wait longer
if you have more feedback.

-Rob

> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
> >>
> >> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
> me
> >> know.
> >>
> >> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
> >> effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
> >> soon as well.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on
> "Apache
> > OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> > provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> > more likely they would be to help with QA.
> >
>
> OK.  I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Looking forward to the final draft.
> >
> > --
> >
> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> >  dealt  with a cat."
> > -- Robert Heinlein
>

When will the post go live?

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Kay Schenk wrote:

Yes! No begrudging their busy-ness from me.  I'm sure we'll hear lots on
the weekend!


It's really nice to see that many people eager to know about ApacheCon!

Thanks to Armin's account we now have a draft blog post covering day 1 at
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=openoffice_track_at_apachecon_day

which will need to be completed soon with proper embedding of my 
presentation (iframe is apparently blocked, so I'll replace it with an 
img linked to Slideshare and imacat's material).


Since the content was already reviewed by people here, I'd fast track it 
for publication as soon as we get these last details in place. The link 
is a preview link: please don't share before it's published.


Feel free to make edits/corrections directly online, it's best for us.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Fan Zheng  wrote:

> In general, they forgot the absent people these days :(
>
> Suggestion:
> We should assign a specified person be responsible to broadcasting the
> status and the progress online, before the next CONF.
> 在 2012/11/7 4:52 PM，"Peter Junge" 写道：
>
> > As this list is in general very silent since Sunday, I would guess all
> > our Friends in Sinsheim are quite busy with the conference itself. That
> > is most likely a very good sign. ;-)
> >
> > Peter
>

Yes! No begrudging their busy-ness from me.  I'm sure we'll hear lots on
the weekend!

but ps...there are some links to sessions on  the AOO Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO

> >
> > On 11/7/2012 4:48 PM, Xin Li wrote:
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Waiting for news from the conference.
> > >
> > > 2012/11/7 Fan Zheng 
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >> Just eager to know that what is happening.
> > >> 在 2012/11/7 2:59 PM，"Yue Helen" 写道：
> > >>
> > >>> Can somebody there share with us on what's happening on the
> conference?
> > >> how
> > >>> many people are there? how's the discussion? any interesting
> findings?
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Helen
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 

MzK

"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
 dealt  with a cat."
-- Robert Heinlein

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>>
>> If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
>> know.
>>
>> But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
>> soon as well.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
> provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>

OK.  I added a link to the wiki page where the AOO 4.0 ideas are collected.

-Rob


> Looking forward to the final draft.
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>  dealt  with a cat."
> -- Robert Heinlein

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM, jan iversen  wrote:
> This is a real nice page.
>
> Have we ever worked together with universities, at least in denmark, the
> engineer and edp education contains quite a few 3weeks slots, where the
> students are encouraged to seek projects outside the university, normally
> in companies.
>
> Things like running QA on a snapshot or writing test cases, would be in
> line with the requirement. The only stopper is, that they would need
> somebody to mentor them, and sign off afterwards (towards the university),
> that is easy with companies, but with ASF I have no idea.
>

Apache participates as a mentor organization with Google Summer of
Code.  That has volunteer mentors guide students on a summer open
source project.  The mentors provide half-term and final reviews and
ratings for the students.Doing this for a university program might
be possible, but would depend on the details.  For example, the ASF
has no ability to order or direct volunteer mentors.  So putting the
ASF under any contractual obligation for this might be a problem.  But
agreements between individual mentors and the university might be
fine.  Similar, who vouches for the student's work?  The mentor,
acting as an individual?  Or the ASF?

-Rob


> Jan
>
> On 6 November 2012 20:40, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:53 AM, jan iversen 
>> wrote:
>> > Nice pagewould it be helpfull if there was a bulleted list of
>> examples
>> > what the QA do, being QA is a quite wide field...
>> >
>>
>> Added.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Jan.
>> >
>> > On 6 November 2012 17:44, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, first of all you can take off the "(incubating)"...:)
>> >>
>> >> Other than that...
>> >>
>> >> - maybe expand SQE...Software Quality Engineer?
>> >>
>> >> - has ooo...@incubator.apache.org been migrated yet?
>> >>
>> >> Don
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >> >
>> >> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let
>> >> me know.
>> >> >
>> >> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> >> > effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
>> >> > soon as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Rob
>> >>
>>

Re: Draft Blog Post: You Can Help Us Improve OpenOffice by Helping Us Test

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kevin Grignon
 wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Beyond functional test and unit testing, can we perform some system
> testing, based on core usage scenarios?
>


How we divide things is somewhat arbitrary but I think this kind of
scenario testing is most typically a product design function.  For
example, you could the some of the same kind of testing with a paper
prototype.

But one idea, if you want to push the UX/design side of this forward
is to follow the model we're doing with QA and Localization:

1) Ask yourself, if in 1 week you could have 5 new UX volunteers, of
various skill levels, what could they do *now*?

2) Prepare one or more pages on the website or wiki that list things
they could get involved in.

3) Since most would be new to Apache you probably also wold want to
connect this into the Orientation work:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/

4) Maybe it is time for a UX-specific mailing list?

5) Prepare a blog post that we can promote a UX Call for Volunteers

Key observation:  when we do a call for volunteers, people will
volunteer in a staggered pattern, some on day one, some on day 2, some
a week later, some two weeks later, etc.  You will go crazy if you
have explain the same basic things on the list, over and over again.
So getting the common questions that everyone will have onto the
website is key.  That is the purpose of orientation.

I'm hoping we can take this general approach and refine it based on
experience with QA and L10N then apply it more broadly to other areas
of the project, including UX, Market, Dev, Website, etc.

-Rob



> This is a great way to get more non-technical people involved. Validating
> the system's ability to realize our core usage scenarios is really
> important.
>
> This also means we need to crank up the survey effort, where I was working
> on deploying a top task validation survey. Ultimately, we need to capture
> our core usage scenarios in a single, trusted source for all stakeholders
> to reference moving forward.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=you_can_help_us_improve
>> >
>> > If anyone has other ideas for the list of reasons to help with QA, let me
>> > know.
>> >
>> > But in general it looks like we're ready to start a major recruitment
>> > effort for QA.  We can probably do something similar for localization
>> > soon as well.
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>>
>> oK, this is good. My one comment would be to link to *some page* on "Apache
>> OpenOffice 4.0" that contains information on what this release will
>> provide.  I would think the more volunteers felt it was worthwhile, the
>> more likely they would be to help with QA.
>>
>> Looking forward to the final draft.
>>
>> --
>>
>> 
>> MzK
>>
>> "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
>>  dealt  with a cat."
>> -- Robert Heinlein
>>

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Fan Zheng]

In general, they forgot the absent people these days :(

Suggestion:
We should assign a specified person be responsible to broadcasting the
status and the progress online, before the next CONF.
在 2012/11/7 4:52 PM，"Peter Junge" 写道：

> As this list is in general very silent since Sunday, I would guess all
> our Friends in Sinsheim are quite busy with the conference itself. That
> is most likely a very good sign. ;-)
>
> Peter
>
> On 11/7/2012 4:48 PM, Xin Li wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > Waiting for news from the conference.
> >
> > 2012/11/7 Fan Zheng 
> >
> >> +1
> >> Just eager to know that what is happening.
> >> 在 2012/11/7 2:59 PM，"Yue Helen" 写道：
> >>
> >>> Can somebody there share with us on what's happening on the conference?
> >> how
> >>> many people are there? how's the discussion? any interesting findings?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Helen
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Peter Junge]

As this list is in general very silent since Sunday, I would guess all
our Friends in Sinsheim are quite busy with the conference itself. That
is most likely a very good sign. ;-)

Peter

On 11/7/2012 4:48 PM, Xin Li wrote:
> +1
> 
> Waiting for news from the conference.
> 
> 2012/11/7 Fan Zheng 
> 
>> +1
>> Just eager to know that what is happening.
>> 在 2012/11/7 2:59 PM，"Yue Helen" 写道：
>>
>>> Can somebody there share with us on what's happening on the conference?
>> how
>>> many people are there? how's the discussion? any interesting findings?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Roller account request

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/11/2012 Dave Fisher wrote:

You have to sign up for a roller account first.
Once that is done then either Marcus or I can invite you to the blog.


Thanks, almost there... my account has now been created and I just need 
to have access to the OpenOffice blog.


Actually the account needs to be created by Infra, see 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5493


Then you will finally get some updates from the conference (which 
started very well, if you are curious to know!).


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Xin Li]

+1

Waiting for news from the conference.

2012/11/7 Fan Zheng 

> +1
> Just eager to know that what is happening.
> 在 2012/11/7 2:59 PM，"Yue Helen" 写道：
>
> > Can somebody there share with us on what's happening on the conference?
> how
> > many people are there? how's the discussion? any interesting findings?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Helen
> >
>



-- 
Best regards,
Xin Li   李欣
UX designer

Re: How is the conference going in SinSheim?

[Fan Zheng]

+1
Just eager to know that what is happening.
在 2012/11/7 2:59 PM，"Yue Helen" 写道：

> Can somebody there share with us on what's happening on the conference? how
> many people are there? how's the discussion? any interesting findings?
> Thanks.
>
> Helen
>

Re: Mosaic Fun with OpenOffice Calc

[jan iversen]

AWESOME, Congratulations.

Both with a nice presentation (you might not be a pro as you write, but you
make your slides interesting even offline) and the calc extension !

This is by far the best use of Calc I have ever seen, from now on, whenever
I see my dull sheets filled with numbers, I will think of mosaic.

This is fun, as it ought to be !

Have a nice apacheCon.
Jan.

On 6 November 2012 23:53, imacat  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Here is the presentation and video given in today's talk "Mosaic Fun
> with OpenOffice Calc" (a.k.a. "How to Abuse OpenOffice").  I hope you
> like it. ^_*'
>
> The presentation:
> http://www.slideshare.net/imacat/mosaic-fun-with-openoffice-calc
>
> The OpenOffice Calc Style, full version:
> http://vimeo.com/52254073
>
> The presentation, *special* version (warning: long loading time):
> http://people.apache.org/~imacat/mosaicfun.ods
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
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>
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