Re: AW: Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Arthur,

Please note that the translation of the existing nl flyer  was made by a
teacher who was not a nativ nl speaker. Thus, a proofreading by a nativ nl
speaker would be appreciated. Feel free to correct and modify this document
to fit your needs. It's interesting to have something in nl language for
some events.

A+
-- 
gw


2013/10/31 Arthur Buijs 

> Op 29-10-2013 0:18, Andrea Pescetti schreef:
> > On 25/10/2013 Arthur Buijs wrote:
> >>> Afzender:RA Stehmann
> >>> http://www.t-dose.org/
> >>> This year Apache OpenOffice will be present at that nice event on both
> >>> days with a stand.
> >>> Mechtilde and Michael hope to meet and talk to some well known and some
> >>> unkown friends of Free Software and the Free Office Suite there. ...
> >>
> >> hope to meet Mechtilde and you tomorrow.
> >
> > So, how was it? If you have a couple pictures and a quick, informal,
> > report we can publish it on http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/
>
> Well organized event and good to see and talk to Mechtilde and Michael
> again. Missed all the talks of course ;)
>
> We (mostly Mechtilde) gave some support and advise to users with
> problems in AOO (and LOO). Some people asked about our license.
>
> No flyer's in Dutch language (only German and English) but I hear the
> document has been translated to Dutch and was available at Fossdem last
> year. Where can I find the file?
>
> Would be nice to have some Apache OpenOffice t-shirts for upcoming events.
>
> --
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> Arthur
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Re: AW: Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[Andrea Pescetti]

Arthur Buijs wrote:

No flyer's in Dutch language (only German and English) but I hear the
document has been translated to Dutch and was available at Fossdem last
year. Where can I find the file?


http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2013#Merchandising

It's a wiki, so you can upload an updated version yourself of course.


Would be nice to have some Apache OpenOffice t-shirts for upcoming events.


This is not impossible to do. Actually, we (well, Michael/Mechtilde) may 
already have T-Shirts with the "flat" orb we use for 4.0, since it was 
easier to print than the "3D" orb used in OpenOffice 3.x! Look closely 
at the picture gallery linked from

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_at_fosdem_2013

Apache is also preparing an "Event in a Box" package that may help when 
attending or organizing events.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 10/31/2013 11:35 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

On 29/10/2013 Rob Weir wrote:


And here is a draft of the landing page we'd send users to who have an
older version of OOo if there is not an AOO version in their language:
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html



This will be very useful to attract volunteers. A few questions/remarks:

1) Can we avoid that all languages are notified at the same time? For
example, Danish and another language have been at 100% for about one month
and I hope we can release them in November. While Arabic is a language where
we can use more volunteers right now.



We can control it.  But we have Arabic in 3.4.1 so they would not get
this notification.   But there are around 11 other languages that had
full releases in 3.3.0 that are not supported in 4.0.1.   There are
more that were only supported via langpack's in 3.3.0, but our update
notifications are only for full version updates.



2) Can the title be changed so that it doesn't look an obituary to
non-native speakers? Like "Please upgrade to OpenOffice 4.0.1 - or help
translating it into your language". Or anything that cannot be understood as
"OpenOffice is dead".



"End of Life" is a common industry term, but it is fine to make the
title more friendly.


Right, EOL is an widely used and understood term. Therefore we should 
not change things that we believe that could be misunderstood by a few 
people. Up to today I don't know of a single case were this led to a 
misunderstanding.


So, I don't see a real need to change the title as it is clear that not 
the software is meant in general but a special part of it only.


Marcus




3) Link to the l10n list must be fixed (last line).



Yes.


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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Robert Center]

I have OpenOffice version 3 installed on my Mac and it does everything I need 
with Lion OS. Will it also work if I upgrade and install Mavericks OS 9?

I was considering updating OpenOffice 3 to Apache OpenOffice 4 but I noticed in 
the readme file with ApacheOO download that version 4 requires the use of Java 
for some operations. However, Java has been disconnected in Macs for security 
purposes. So what limitations are there running ApacheOO 4 without Java?

Robert Center

Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic
>  wrote:
>> Rob, very nice.
>> Can you in chart "Downloads by Language" put numbers of download? There is
>> pretty much of empty space...and everything will be much clearly.
>>
>
> I don't see any option to do this with the function I'm using in R.
> I'm calling dotchart().  But I can give a separate table of counts:
>
> ar 85,678
> ast 11,667
> cs 513,261
> da 330,000
> de 7,886,040
> el 65,405
> en_GB 2,274,195
> en_US 27,408,931
> es 4,876,835
> eu 3,254
> fi 49,3241
> fr 11,503,844
> gd 1,972
> gl 1,4240
> hu 337,020
> it 6,059,711
> ja 3,809,689
> km 3,050
> ko 175,479
> lt 3,600
> nb 209,701
> nl 1,470,994
> pl 1,459,919
> pt 16,162
> pt_BR 923,549
> ru 329,3586
> sk 133,848
> sl 44,302
> sr 2,503
> sv 374,543
> ta 506
> tr 2,7373
> vi 2,462
> zh_TW 1,093,296
> zh_CN 350,369
>

Updated version. I misplaced the hundreds separator on some entries.

Note that this is for what language version was downloaded.   The web
page here reports on countries of the person downloading:
http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

ar 85,678
ast 11,667
cs 513,261
da 330,000
de 7,886,040
el 65,405
en_GB 2,274,195
en_US 27,408,931
es 4,876,835
eu 3,254
fi 493,241
fr 11,503,844
gd 1,972
gl 14,240
hu 337,020
it 6,059,711
ja 3,809,689
km 3,050
ko 175,479
lt 3,600
nb 209,701
nl 1,470,994
pl 1,459,919
pt 16,162
pt_BR 923,549
ru 3,293,586
sk 133,848
sl 44,302
sr 2,503
sv 374,543
ta 506
tr 2,7373
vi 2,462
zh_TW 1,093,296
zh_CN 350,369




> But these numbers are hard to interpret, since it is a count across
> several AOO versions, and some languages have been supported longer
> than others.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Wlada
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/30 Marcus (OOo) 
>>
>>> Am 10/30/2013 07:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
>>>  On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Donald Whytock
  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>  As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
>> charts and added them to a new blog post:
>>
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_**
>> million_downloads_of_apache
>>
>
>
> "the full 
> table>
>  our the
> website" ->  "the full table org/stats/countries.html>
>  on
> the website"
>
> "on the Y-axis)." ->  "on the Y-axis.)"
>
> "Windows 8, is in second place" ->  (suggested) "Windows 8 for second
> place"
>
>
 Thanks, I made those corrections.

>>>
>>> Thanks for collecting and visualizing those numbers. It's always again
>>> very interesting to see the interests of our users and trends into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Aside from that, is it more useful/intuitive to show the RPM/DEB ratio, as
> opposed to the multicolor fraction-of-volume you use for Windows?  I
> realize it's only two values, but even for two values what's clearer for
> a
> user to read?
>
>
 I did try it with the RPM and DEB series each plotted, rather than a
 ratio.  But the values are so close that the points piles on each
 other most of the time.  I don't think it worked as well.

>>>
>>> When you have already seen 2 nearly identical lines for RPM and DEB then I
>>> would state this in the text - to make it clear that we don't see a
>>> preference in one of the both package systems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me allow some further comments. Maybe you can add this or of
>>> course with different wordings:
>>>
>>> "You can clearly see the increase in interest since the release of Apache
>>> OpenOffice 4.0."
>>>
>>> The difference comes due to more work that was put into press/news
>>> announcements as it was our first major release with new features - to make
>>> the difference to 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 more clear.
>>>
>>> "Trend in OS"
>>>
>>> Even when we know that the very most Linux users use the office suite that
>>> comes pre-installed with their Linux distro, IMHO it is really impressive
>>> that we still have ~2,000 to ~4,000 downloads - and that per day.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 29/10/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> And here is a draft of the landing page we'd send users to who have an
>> older version of OOo if there is not an AOO version in their language:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html
>
>
> This will be very useful to attract volunteers. A few questions/remarks:
>
> 1) Can we avoid that all languages are notified at the same time? For
> example, Danish and another language have been at 100% for about one month
> and I hope we can release them in November. While Arabic is a language where
> we can use more volunteers right now.
>

We can control it.  But we have Arabic in 3.4.1 so they would not get
this notification.   But there are around 11 other languages that had
full releases in 3.3.0 that are not supported in 4.0.1.   There are
more that were only supported via langpack's in 3.3.0, but our update
notifications are only for full version updates.


> 2) Can the title be changed so that it doesn't look an obituary to
> non-native speakers? Like "Please upgrade to OpenOffice 4.0.1 - or help
> translating it into your language". Or anything that cannot be understood as
> "OpenOffice is dead".
>

"End of Life" is a common industry term, but it is fine to make the
title more friendly.


> 3) Link to the l10n list must be fixed (last line).
>

Yes.

> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: AW: Apache OpenOffice @ T-DOSE

[Arthur Buijs]

Op 29-10-2013 0:18, Andrea Pescetti schreef:
> On 25/10/2013 Arthur Buijs wrote:
>>> Afzender:RA Stehmann
>>> http://www.t-dose.org/
>>> This year Apache OpenOffice will be present at that nice event on both
>>> days with a stand.
>>> Mechtilde and Michael hope to meet and talk to some well known and some
>>> unkown friends of Free Software and the Free Office Suite there. ...
>>
>> hope to meet Mechtilde and you tomorrow.
>
> So, how was it? If you have a couple pictures and a quick, informal,
> report we can publish it on http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Well organized event and good to see and talk to Mechtilde and Michael 
again. Missed all the talks of course ;)

We (mostly Mechtilde) gave some support and advise to users with 
problems in AOO (and LOO). Some people asked about our license.

No flyer's in Dutch language (only German and English) but I hear the 
document has been translated to Dutch and was available at Fossdem last 
year. Where can I find the file?

Would be nice to have some Apache OpenOffice t-shirts for upcoming events.

--
Regards,
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Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 29/10/2013 Rob Weir wrote:

And here is a draft of the landing page we'd send users to who have an
older version of OOo if there is not an AOO version in their language:
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html


This will be very useful to attract volunteers. A few questions/remarks:

1) Can we avoid that all languages are notified at the same time? For 
example, Danish and another language have been at 100% for about one 
month and I hope we can release them in November. While Arabic is a 
language where we can use more volunteers right now.


2) Can the title be changed so that it doesn't look an obituary to 
non-native speakers? Like "Please upgrade to OpenOffice 4.0.1 - or help 
translating it into your language". Or anything that cannot be 
understood as "OpenOffice is dead".


3) Link to the l10n list must be fixed (last line).

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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Robert,
Why not choose the latest version of Apache OpenOffice (as it is more properly 
called)?

We are up to No. 4.0.1 and it works fine with Mavericks. 

See: http://www.openoffice.org/download/

-louis

On 31.Oct.2013, at 17:16, Robert Center  wrote:

> Is Open Office version 3 compatible with Mavericks, the new OS for the Mac?
> 
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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Robert Center]

Is Open Office version 3 compatible with Mavericks, the new OS for the Mac?

Robert Center

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Re: New Dev Volunteer

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dhananjayan Santhanakrishnan wrote:

I am Dhananjayan, from India, I completed my Bachelor's in Computer
Science. I love data structures and problem solving.  I'm good in
C++. How can I start contributing? I'm new to open source
contribution, so can anyone help me out?? Will anyone assign task for
me??


Welcome, Dhananjayan!

Our entry point for new developers is this page:

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html

and the first thing you should focus on is to build OpenOffice (you will 
find a link to the Building Guide on that page). Try and of course feel 
free to ask if you have any problems.


Once you get your first build, please write to this mailing list again: 
there are several tasks in the Orientation page, but we can easily find 
new ones if you prefer to work on something else.


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Re: call for help to test AOO www and AOO wiki (certificates for *.o.o)

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> > Hi Joe/JanIV/Mark,
> >
> > THANKS for getting the SSL certificate to work. We really, really
> needed this for the wiki and forums!
> >
> > Given the scope of the conversion of internal relative links. I think it
> is reasonable to expect that the project will not be in a hurry to start
> rushing in to convert 100,000 links without a plan.
> >
> > Hey AOO Devs:
> >
> > I have the experience of touching all of these html files when we ported
> them. I did do url rewrites and we have scripting to handle these cases!
> >
> > See ooo-site/trunk/tools/ -
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/tools/
> >
> > Specifically the files urlrewrite.sh and urlrewrite.sed
>
> I have accumulated information about remaining links using the form http://
> *.openoffice.org/ and https://*.openoffice.org/
>
> Look for more this week before a sledgehammer change over the weekend.
>
> This will be with a new subject.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>

OK -- and thanks for taking this on. I had TOTALLY forgotten about "tools".


>
> >
> > Working locally on a full checkout of ooo-site:
> http://openoffice.apache.org/website-local.html#how-to-do-website-development-locally-for-technical-users
> >
> > (1) urlrewrite.sed needs the additional rules.
> >
> > (2) To convert:
> >
> > $ cd ooo-site/trunk/tools
> > $ ./urlrewrite.sh .  # there is a dot at the end - please use it.
> >
> > (3) Do a local build.
> >
> > (4) Commit the massive changes.
> >
> > Voila! If the project wants to define the additional url rewrites then I
> will find cycles this weekend, or I can guide someone else.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think there are any plans to change the dual http/https nature
> of the site, even in the worst case scenario of redirecting everything to
> https, the old links will still resolve.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>>
>  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Joseph Schaefer <
> joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  No.  Ideally urls local to the site use relative addressing so it
> will work properly when viewed over http or https.  The reason you don't
> want hard coded http urls on the site is because https browsers will warn
> the user about fetching insecure resources.
> >>>
> >>> OK.  So long as external, incoming http:// URL's will still resolve.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> >  wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:54:59PM +0200, janI wrote:
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> www.openoffice.org now accept both http: and https: as announced
> earlier.
> >>>
> >>> We have however seen that e.g. product.css contain image tag with
> http://xxx.
> >>> All references must be relative (without http: and https:). I hope
> the web
> >>> admins can do make the needed changes.
> >>
> >> There are 26,349 matches of "http://www.openoffice.org/"; in
> ooo-site.
> >
> > We *are not* going to change to a system that requires that links to
> > www.openoffice.org are all https.  I hope that is not what is being
> > suggested.  Remember, we have 10's of thousands of *external* links
> to
> > our website that we do control and cannot change.
> >
> > Please someone, tell me that this is not what is being suggested
> here.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> --
> >> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> >> La Plata, Argentina
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Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2013/10/31 Rob Weir 

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
> > charts and added them to a new blog post:
> >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_million_downloads_of_apache
> >
>
> If anyone is interested, I've uploaded a CSV of the "raw" data I used
> for the charts:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/75m.csv
>
> You should be able to import the data right into Calc and do
> additional analysis.
>
> I also uploaded the R script I used to generate the charts for the blog
> post:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/75m.R
>
> (We really should work on a way to call R from Calc, pass data ranges,
> return bitmaps for charts, etc.  It could be very powerful.)
>

There was an extension for that:

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/r4calc-r-statistics-ooocalc

but it seems unmaintained. Not sure if it works now (or if it ever worked:
I never used it).

Regards,
Ricardo




>
> If you come up with interesting new visualizations, we can do a "75
> million, Part 2", blog post.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
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Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
> charts and added them to a new blog post:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_million_downloads_of_apache
>

If anyone is interested, I've uploaded a CSV of the "raw" data I used
for the charts:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/75m.csv

You should be able to import the data right into Calc and do
additional analysis.

I also uploaded the R script I used to generate the charts for the blog post:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/75m.R

(We really should work on a way to call R from Calc, pass data ranges,
return bitmaps for charts, etc.  It could be very powerful.)

If you come up with interesting new visualizations, we can do a "75
million, Part 2", blog post.

Regards,

-Rob


> Regards,
>
> -Rob

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Re: Draft blog post: 75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic
 wrote:
> Rob, very nice.
> Can you in chart "Downloads by Language" put numbers of download? There is
> pretty much of empty space...and everything will be much clearly.
>

I don't see any option to do this with the function I'm using in R.
I'm calling dotchart().  But I can give a separate table of counts:

ar 85,678
ast 11,667
cs 513,261
da 330,000
de 7,886,040
el 65,405
en_GB 2,274,195
en_US 27,408,931
es 4,876,835
eu 3,254
fi 49,3241
fr 11,503,844
gd 1,972
gl 1,4240
hu 337,020
it 6,059,711
ja 3,809,689
km 3,050
ko 175,479
lt 3,600
nb 209,701
nl 1,470,994
pl 1,459,919
pt 16,162
pt_BR 923,549
ru 329,3586
sk 133,848
sl 44,302
sr 2,503
sv 374,543
ta 506
tr 2,7373
vi 2,462
zh_TW 1,093,296
zh_CN 350,369

But these numbers are hard to interpret, since it is a count across
several AOO versions, and some languages have been supported longer
than others.

Regards,

-Rob


> Regards,
> Wlada
>
>
> 2013/10/30 Marcus (OOo) 
>
>> Am 10/30/2013 07:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>>  On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Donald Whytock
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

  As predicted we hit 75 million yesterday.  I updated the  various
> charts and added them to a new blog post:
>
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=75_**
> million_downloads_of_apache
>


 "the full 
 table>
  our the
 website" ->  "the full table>
  on
 the website"

 "on the Y-axis)." ->  "on the Y-axis.)"

 "Windows 8, is in second place" ->  (suggested) "Windows 8 for second
 place"


>>> Thanks, I made those corrections.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for collecting and visualizing those numbers. It's always again
>> very interesting to see the interests of our users and trends into the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>  Aside from that, is it more useful/intuitive to show the RPM/DEB ratio, as
 opposed to the multicolor fraction-of-volume you use for Windows?  I
 realize it's only two values, but even for two values what's clearer for
 a
 user to read?


>>> I did try it with the RPM and DEB series each plotted, rather than a
>>> ratio.  But the values are so close that the points piles on each
>>> other most of the time.  I don't think it worked as well.
>>>
>>
>> When you have already seen 2 nearly identical lines for RPM and DEB then I
>> would state this in the text - to make it clear that we don't see a
>> preference in one of the both package systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me allow some further comments. Maybe you can add this or of
>> course with different wordings:
>>
>> "You can clearly see the increase in interest since the release of Apache
>> OpenOffice 4.0."
>>
>> The difference comes due to more work that was put into press/news
>> announcements as it was our first major release with new features - to make
>> the difference to 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 more clear.
>>
>> "Trend in OS"
>>
>> Even when we know that the very most Linux users use the office suite that
>> comes pre-installed with their Linux distro, IMHO it is really impressive
>> that we still have ~2,000 to ~4,000 downloads - and that per day.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: Problems building AOO on Ubuntu 13.10

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 31/10/2013 Andre Fischer wrote:

I have recently upgraded my Linux machine to Ubuntu 13.10 and was not
able to build AOO anymore. Building stops in svl/ with a missing symbol
used by the atexit() function.
The build error is triggered by the default compilers gcc and g++ 4.8.
It is also triggered by version 4.7.


Strange. I was able to build several times on a Fedora machine with this 
gcc:

$ gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 4.8.1 20130603 (Red Hat 4.8.1-1)

so if this is related to gcc/g++ only I would have seen the error too.

Did you build AOO401 or trunk? 32 or 64 bit machine? My machine is 
64-bit and I've surely built trunk earlier this month, after the 4.0.1 
release. I don't have the machine available now, but I usually configure 
with category B, without stlport and without system libraries.


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Re: Extensions

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/10/31 jonathon :
> On 10/30/2013 05:28 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
>> A) Despite we'd love to be able to distinguish between 'maintained' and 
>> 'umaintained' extensions there is no easy way to tell.
>
> Let's take "Extension 6318" as an example.
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/extension-6318
> Μaintainer: Unmaintained
> Extension ID: com.readability.ReadabilityIndices
> Release Date: 07/04/2013
> Compatiblity: 3.4
>
> Questions:
> Where is that "unmaintained" datapoint coming from?

At migration time, from OSUOSL to the actual platform, for very few
extensions authorship was missing, so you might want to read
'anonymous' if you prefer.

>
> Why are extensions that have a non-descriptive name, and no explanation
> of what they are supposed to do, publicly available?

Because someone created them and we didn't feel like erasing them. If
we want - after some testing - take a different decision we could take
a different course of action.

Roberto

>
> ###
>
> On the LibreOffice extension page, when one goes to download an
> extension that hasn't been updated in the last year, there is a great
> big warning notice that it might be unmaintained. Surely something along
> those lines could be added to the download page of the AOO extension.
>
> jonathon
>
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Re: [ABCD/02][2013/10/30] Re: Extensions

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/10/31 jonathon :
> On 10/30/2013 05:28 PM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>
>> I can take care of delivering the mass mailing as we did in the past,
>> we probably need a bunch of volunteers to test those extensions so
>> that we can target at least the top 100/200.
>
> I don't if you mean:
> * Each individual is to test 100 - 200 extensions;
> * Only 100 - 200 extensions are to be tested;
>
> Regardless, each extension needs to be tested on each platform that AOO
> is available for. Ideally, BSD & Linux testing would be for several
> different distros, and versions of those distros.

I'm with you about testing them on different platforms, and ideally
I'd love us to be able to test all extensions. Still I believe
targeting top extensions is a viable way to go if we want to achieve
results in a reasonable time frame, everything else will require a lot
more time.

>
> If you want people to test more than five or six extensions, write a
> tool that will automatically install all of the extensions in a file
> directory.

Your help would be precious with that, at this time I can commit to
keep deploying a better website both for Extensions and templates,
releasing a new version every six months or so.

Roberto


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Re: Extensions

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/10/31 Kay Schenk :
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2013/10/30 Kay Schenk :
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic <
>> > stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> @Kay: In my earlier mail of this discussion:  "Also, "Filter option" on
>> >> site "Extension" need to has option for what version of AOO you want to
>> >> find extension."
>> >> I do not know how I droped this from my Proposals.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Wlada
>> >>
>> >
>> > Ok -- yeah I see that now in the thread but not in the "proposals" -- it
>> > was somehow missed and it really is the easiest solution to this dilemma.
>> > Well, at least with Roberto's help, we can move forward with this idea.
>>
>> As promised I've investigated further into this issue, here my findings.
>>
>> A) Despite we'd love to be able to distinguish between 'maintained'
>> and 'umaintained' extensions there is no easy way to tell. In fact
>> developers when they create an extension they can set a minimum and a
>> maximum release version. Most of the times only a minimum release
>> version is indicated.
>>
>> B) Extensions' authors can also use Extensions website to indicate
>> release compatibility.
>>
>
> ok, this B) is what I was referring to (and probably Wlada as well).
>
> I don't know how easy it would be for SF to "get at" this information, at
> least, and use it in a filter. If it could be done, we could at least start
> there.

Pretty easy, I'd say it's ready to go. Until we start testing those
extensions we won't be able to provide valuable info for the above
mentioned reasons, though.

Roberto

>
>>
>> Having said that if we want to figure out if a given extension is or
>> is not AOO 4.0 compatible we need to test it ourselves.
>>
>> I believe the best way to go is to get a team of people committed to
>> test few extensions and report findings. Based on those findings we
>> could send a message to those extensions' authors to inform them about
>> the compatibility check. We could add that we'll take care of updating
>> the Extension website accordingly, so that end-users will know if a
>> given extension works or not on AOO 4.x.
>>
>
> This is a good way to get going on this for sure!
>
>
>>
>> I can take care of delivering the mass mailing as we did in the past,
>> we probably need a bunch of volunteers to test those extensions so
>> that we can target at least the top 100/200.
>>
>> Does it sound like a plan?
>>
>
> yes, and a good one.
>
>
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 2013/10/29 Roberto Galoppini 
>> >>
>> >> > 2013/10/29 Kay Schenk :
>> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic <
>> >> > > stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> This is update of proposal:
>> >> > >> 1) Mark all unmaintained extensions on our site (With appropriate
>> >> mark,
>> >> > and
>> >> > >> with button with link to the page where exist new, compatilble
>> version
>> >> > of
>> >> > >> extension. Note: button will be added if exist new version. Marks
>> and
>> >> > >> buttons will be on "preview" page, as result of search engeen)
>> >> > >> 2) Send mail to authors of extensions with request to make
>> appropriate
>> >> > >> changes (in some short period)
>> >> > >> 3) If author does not answer on our mail, or does not update his
>> >> > >> extension, we will make this changes inside extension (if licence
>> of
>> >> > >> extension permit) and make new web page on site "Extensions" for
>> this
>> >> > >> new version.
>> >> > >> 4) If an end-user try to download an extension that has not been
>> >> > >> updated a pop-up might ask him/her if they're looking for an
>> extension
>> >> > >> compatible with AOO 4.x or older version. If they ask for AOO 4.x
>> >> > >> they'll be redirected to the new extension page, otherwise they'll
>> get
>> >> > >> the 3.x compatible extension.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> It is now this proposal good?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> > >> Wlada
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well...I apologize for not keeping up with this conversation
>> earlier,
>> >> by
>> >> > > here's my take on some of this.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * @Roberto -- it looks like MANY extensions (the ones I've checked
>> >> > anyway)
>> >> > > have version compatibility information. Can this be set-up as a
>> search
>> >> > > filter like OS, etc.? And, perhpas make it the FIRST filter group?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * If this could be done, we wouldn't need to do anything much with
>> >> > > contacting authors, much less changing any code in the extensions.
>> >> Users
>> >> > > would be able to find extensions for the version they're using
>> without
>> >> > much
>> >> > > trouble.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Again, I apologize for not partaking in this conversations sooner.
>> I'm
>> >> > just
>> >> > > thinking letting users find the appropriate extension themselves
>> might
>> >> be
>> >> > > easier than taking a more aggressive approach wi

Re: [CWiki] Account Whitelisting

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/10/2013 Vivek Rai wrote:

I have signed up on CWiki under the username : vivek.11x and real name :
Vivek Rai. Thanks !


Whitelisted:
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New committer: Vladislav Stevanović (wlada)

[Andrea Pescetti]

The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice has asked
Vladislav Stevanović to become a committer and we are pleased to 
announce that he has accepted and taken the ID "wlada".


A warm welcome to Vladislav !

Regards,

Andrea, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PMC

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Problems building AOO on Ubuntu 13.10

[Andre Fischer]

Hi,

I have recently upgraded my Linux machine to Ubuntu 13.10 and was not 
able to build AOO anymore.  Building stops in svl/ with a missing symbol 
used by the atexit() function.
The build error is triggered by the default compilers gcc and g++ 4.8.  
It is also triggered by version 4.7.  I was able to build AOO with 
version 4.4.  I did not try other compiler version.


-Andre

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Windows patches: update Oct. 31

[Andre Fischer]

Hi,

here is a short update of my progress towards the support of Windows 
patches.


I have created issue 123531 [1] for this.  I have started my work by 
doing some cleaning up.


Issue 123532 [2] is a sub task about cleaning up 
instsetoo_native/util/makefile.mk.  This is where the creation if 
windows patches will ultimately be triggered.  You should see
less warnings, less copying of files, and the internal structure should 
be a little easier to read.


Issue 123595 [3] is a sub task about cleaning up how log information are 
created by make_installer.pl (the Perl file that created individual 
installation sets; its called by the makefile.mk mentioned above) and 
its modules.  Creating installation sets, and later patches, is a 
process that takes a couple of minutes per language and output format 
(msi, archive, deb, ...) and type (openoffice, sdk, languagepack).  
Having decent log information is quite important when working on this.  
In the log files that are produced you can no find timing information 
that shows how long individual steps take.  There are some minor changes 
to what is printed to the console.


If any of these changes lead to problems, please tell me.  I have tested 
them but there are too many combinations of platform, compiler, 
languages, output formats, install types and so on to test all of them.


Best regards,
Andre

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123531
[2] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123532
[3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123595

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review requested: [Bug 123528] Only placeholder shown for cropped picture in particular .pptx : [Attachment 81851] fix patch

[bugzilla]

Clarence GUO  has asked  for review:
Bug 123528: Only placeholder shown for cropped picture in particular .pptx
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123528

Attachment 81851: fix patch
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=81851&action=edit


--- Additional Comments from Clarence GUO 
The image was represented in OOXML as below:

- 
- ... ...
- http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006";>
- http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/mac/drawingml/2008/main";
xmlns:mv="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:mac:vml" xmlns="" Requires="ma">
- 
   
- ... ...
  
- 
- 
   
- ... ...
  
  


'mc:AlternateContent" means it provides alternatives choice for application to
draw the image. But this token has not been registed in supporting tokens and
it's namespace is "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006";
which has not been registed in supporting namespaces. Then need to regist the
token and it's namespace first.
'mc:Choice' means it is the first choice for applicatons to draw the image.
It's image is 'rId2' which referenced to "../media/image12.pdf" in *.xml.rels
file. So that mean's it's better for applications use PDF compatible functions
to draw the image. However, AOO doesn't have this capability, so it will enter
into 'mc:Fallback' which means another choice. under 'mc:Fallback', the image
is 'rId3' which referenced to "../media/image1.png". AOO has capability to draw
PNG images.
However, 'Choice' and 'Fallback' has not been been registed in supporting
tokens either, also need to regist them so that AOO can follow fore-mentioned
process to draw the image.

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Re: [INFO] AOO wiki and forum.

[Alexandro Colorado]

I assume time is in UTC...


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM, janI  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Just a polite information.
>
> --- wiki.o.o ---
> will be changed to https:// only after friday 1 november 16:00.
>
> http:// will automatically redirect to https://
>
> Test shows that everything will work, but users get warnings due to mixed
> https:// http:// pages. As described earlier this is something that can
> easily be changed at database level by the admins.
>
> The service interruption should be < 1 minute.
>
> --- forum.o.o ---
> will be changed to https:// after friday 1 november 16:00
>
> http:// will automatically redirect to https://
>
> In case of unexpected problems (see test above), https:// and http:// will
> be running in parallel, and the redirect will be made next weekend (8
> november).
>
> The service interruption should be < 10 minutes a couple of times for each
> forum.
>
> We will keep status.a.o updated
>
> On behalf of infra
> jan I.
>



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[INFO] AOO Wiki and forum

[janI]

Hi

Just a polite info, about the infra work starting friday 1 november 16:00.

--- wiki.a.o ---
will be changed to https:// only.

http:// will be redirected automatically to https://

Test shows that everything works, but users get warnings about mixed
https:// http:// pages. The mixing is due to use of src=http:// and
href=http:// in the anchor and image tags. As described earlier an admin
can easy make the needed changes at database level.

Service interruption is expected to be < 1 minute.


--- forum.a.o. ---
will be changed to https:// only.

http:// will be redirected automatically to https://

In case of unexpected problems (see test above), The http:// redirect will
not be done allowing http:// and https:// to work in parallel.

Service interruption is expected to be < 10 minute a couple of times for
each forum.

status.a.o will be updated when work begins.

On behalf of the infrastructure team
jan I.

[INFO] AOO wiki and forum.

[janI]

Hi.

Just a polite information.

--- wiki.o.o ---
will be changed to https:// only after friday 1 november 16:00.

http:// will automatically redirect to https://

Test shows that everything will work, but users get warnings due to mixed
https:// http:// pages. As described earlier this is something that can
easily be changed at database level by the admins.

The service interruption should be < 1 minute.

--- forum.o.o ---
will be changed to https:// after friday 1 november 16:00

http:// will automatically redirect to https://

In case of unexpected problems (see test above), https:// and http:// will
be running in parallel, and the redirect will be made next weekend (8
november).

The service interruption should be < 10 minutes a couple of times for each
forum.

We will keep status.a.o updated

On behalf of infra
jan I.