Re: Apache OpenOffice - Best Free Software 2014

[RA Stehmann]

On 31.12.2014 17:44, Donald Harbison wrote:
> Best free software of 2014: OpenOffice
> 
> 
> Wishing everyone volunteering in Apache OpenOffice a Happy New Year!
> 
The same old story:

There are two comments (2015-01-02 10:10 CET): LibreOffice is better and
the award is worthless.

How poor!

Regards
Michael





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Re: Apache OpenOffice in 2014: A Year in Review (blog post)

[armin.le.gr...@me.com]

Andrea, thank you very much for the outstanding job you have done from 
my POV for the last two Years!


On 31.12.2014 20:36, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
A short blog post with a graphical timeline of the key events for 
OpenOffice in 2014 is now published at


https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_in_2014_a

Happy new 2015 everybody!

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Michal Hriň]

Dňa 01.01.2015 o 23:16 jan i napísal(a):

On 1 January 2015 at 22:57, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:


As I wrote yesterday, it's time to start looking for a new PMC Chair that
can replace me (only for these specific duties; I'll of course continue
with all my other activities, that are the vast majority) when applicable.
We are not in a hurry as I will take care of the January Board report, but
it's good to start moving.

Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or
self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with
nominations.

My duties as a Chair cover only a minimal part of my activity in
OpenOffice, so it's good that I point out what is expected of a Chair:
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair

1) The Chair is the interface between the Project Management Committee and
the Apache Board. The Chair takes responsibilities for the quarterly report
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports

2) The chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure
that everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow
smoothly. There is no concept of "leader" in the Apache way.

3) After the project has elected new committers or PMC members, the Chair
is responsible for the needed updates to the Apache LDAP groups.



You describe very correctly the duties of a chair, seen from our bylaws.
But apart from that, there seems be an unwritten rule the chair is
normally also quite active..

In the bigger part of ASF projects, the PMC is active together with the
chair, in that case chair function is purely administrative.

You can find some project where the chair is active, but the rest of the
PMC is only limited active, in that case the chair should be active in
reactivating the PMC.

I have yet to find a project where the chair is inactive while the PMC is
active.

Bear in mind I dont speak of the chair as a role (which you have already
correctly described), but the person behind the role. That person, should
always have a finger on the pulse of  the community, be prepared to help
solve conflictsof course if the PMC group is active, this is not a
problem.and most importantly that person should having the backing of
the PMC group.


rgds
jan I.




OK, we know what are duties of PMC Chair.
Both of you didn't get out a names of candidates. Probably, I know your 
view, but please, put it here.


So here I chose some people, to make this election easier.

Rob Weir
Marcus Lange
Key Schenk

This are I thing object reasons, looking on activity on mailing lists 
(dev && l10n && commits) for last year and for a time after last release.


This is not my finite vote. I will wait for others nominations.

And don't to forget, named people, express your opinion here, if you 
want, are willing and able to do this.


Regards,
Michal Hriň




So please go on with your nominations. We don't have strict rules about
eligibility. As I verified, nominees needn't be PMC members, since they can
be admitted to the PMC as part of their election. They needn't be
OpenOffice committers either, but in practice the new Chair needs to have a
good knowledge of the project, so I see it reasonable (but again, not
mandatory) that the new Chair is chosen among the OpenOffice committers:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[jan i]

On 2 January 2015 at 15:37, Michal Hriň  wrote:

> Dňa 01.01.2015 o 23:16 jan i napísal(a):
>
>  On 1 January 2015 at 22:57, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>
>>  As I wrote yesterday, it's time to start looking for a new PMC Chair that
>>> can replace me (only for these specific duties; I'll of course continue
>>> with all my other activities, that are the vast majority) when
>>> applicable.
>>> We are not in a hurry as I will take care of the January Board report,
>>> but
>>> it's good to start moving.
>>>
>>> Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or
>>> self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with
>>> nominations.
>>>
>>> My duties as a Chair cover only a minimal part of my activity in
>>> OpenOffice, so it's good that I point out what is expected of a Chair:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>
>>> 1) The Chair is the interface between the Project Management Committee
>>> and
>>> the Apache Board. The Chair takes responsibilities for the quarterly
>>> report
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports
>>>
>>> 2) The chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure
>>> that everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow
>>> smoothly. There is no concept of "leader" in the Apache way.
>>>
>>> 3) After the project has elected new committers or PMC members, the Chair
>>> is responsible for the needed updates to the Apache LDAP groups.
>>>
>>>
>> You describe very correctly the duties of a chair, seen from our bylaws.
>> But apart from that, there seems be an unwritten rule the chair is
>> normally also quite active..
>>
>> In the bigger part of ASF projects, the PMC is active together with the
>> chair, in that case chair function is purely administrative.
>>
>> You can find some project where the chair is active, but the rest of the
>> PMC is only limited active, in that case the chair should be active in
>> reactivating the PMC.
>>
>> I have yet to find a project where the chair is inactive while the PMC is
>> active.
>>
>> Bear in mind I dont speak of the chair as a role (which you have already
>> correctly described), but the person behind the role. That person, should
>> always have a finger on the pulse of  the community, be prepared to help
>> solve conflictsof course if the PMC group is active, this is not a
>> problem.and most importantly that person should having the backing of
>> the PMC group.
>>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
> OK, we know what are duties of PMC Chair.
> Both of you didn't get out a names of candidates. Probably, I know your
> view, but please, put it here.
>
@Michael, I did not put any names here, because I do not have any names, I
resigned from the PMC in 2014 mainly because felt a strong disagreement
with the rest of the PMC, about where we are, and how we give the project
more momentum.


> So here I chose some people, to make this election easier.
>
> Rob Weir
> Marcus Lange
> Key Schenk


> This are I thing object reasons, looking on activity on mailing lists (dev
> && l10n && commits) for last year and for a time after last release.
>
> This is not my finite vote. I will wait for others nominations.
>
Voting comes after end of nominations.


>
> And don't to forget, named people, express your opinion here, if you want,
> are willing and able to do this.
>
+1.

rgds
jan i

>
> Regards,
> Michal Hriň
>
>
>
>
>>> So please go on with your nominations. We don't have strict rules about
>>> eligibility. As I verified, nominees needn't be PMC members, since they
>>> can
>>> be admitted to the PMC as part of their election. They needn't be
>>> OpenOffice committers either, but in practice the new Chair needs to
>>> have a
>>> good knowledge of the project, so I see it reasonable (but again, not
>>> mandatory) that the new Chair is chosen among the OpenOffice committers:
>>> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>Andrea.
>>>
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Re: New Year, New Chair

[Marcus]

Also from my side a big thank you for your work - especially as first 
chair in our new TLP project times.


And of course, a Happy New Year to all of you.

Marcus



Am 12/31/2014 10:46 PM, schrieb jan i:

Let me be the first to say you have done an outstanding job of bringing us
into apache.

Changing chairs is not mandatory in apache, but I respect your vision and
outlook, and agree time is right for a change of chair.

Like you I see this as a natural process due to changes in priorities, and
if I may add your personal life, reminding that we are all volunteers. You
have done alot for AOO and I personally hope for a great cooperation in
2015.

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Andrea Pescetti
wrote:


I've been the OpenOffice Project Chair for two years, since late 2012.
While the term is not strictly set, big Apache projects usually rotate
their Chair every 1-2 years, and OpenOffice should do the same.

So we should look at finding a new project Chair in January, and at
transitioning from me to the new Chair at the first Board meeting. This is
a normal transition and I'd like that we make it as smooth as possible:
I'll stay as a Chair until a new one has been chosen. Stay tuned for more
information: I'll share a schedule tomorrow.

Of course, I plan to maintain my current level of activity in the project,
and to continue as an OpenOffice committer and PMC member. It is simply
correct to rotate this (mostly administrative) role within the group.


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Re: Digital signing release for windows.

[Marcus]

Am 01/01/2015 10:19 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:

On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Open issues were:
1) Decide on making 4.1.1.1, 4.1.2, whatever. This is solved, we are
going
to make a new release and call it 4.1.2.
2) Fix access to certificate for signing. Still waiting for Infra, but I
can't blame them.
3) Decide what to include. I opened a dedicated discussion yesterday,
with
an explicit list of about 20 bugs to consider.
4) Add 4.1.2 to Bugzilla. We need a Bugzilla admin to do it, asked
yesterday.

we also need
5) discuss do we need a release candidate or do we vote on the real
thing.


If I understand correctly, the best option is to tag a source package
that identifies itself as "OpenOffice 4.1.2" and vote on that (so it's a
Release Candidate but if approved it becomes the final one, and so far
there is nothing new), but binaries may be an issue since we would spend
a lot of time (and also many signing credits, which are not for free) if
we sign Windows artifacts that will not be approved. Here I can
understand you request to vote only on source + English Windows binary +
other platforms binaries and then build other languages separately, only
after the first vote has passed. I agree with that.


Just to remember:
We vote only on the source (and therefore the source tarballs are relevant).

AFAIK the signing process is without any code changes. So, we need some 
code changes (1 fixed bug or 1 new/updated language) if we want to vote 
for something. ;-)



6) get confirmation from jürgen that he has time now to this "double"
release
6a) check if he can do all platforms or alternatively find out how to do
the rest
7) make sure henkp will help with the mirrors again, last time he was
less
than pleased due to the 1week window of regular work.


I think henkp stopped uploading releases to the mirrors. 4.1.1 is on
SourceForge only, since putting it on Apache mirrors was a lot of work
by Infra for negligible benefit to the users. So step 7 can probably be
ignored.


Yes, the users do not get any benefit as it is not (well-)known that AOO 
could be downloaded via Apache mirrors. We use Sourceforge and this 
works very well. So, to be Infra-friendly just make sure that no 
binaries will be uploaded to Apache mirrors - only the SDK and source files.



8) prepare release notes etc.


Well, once we are set to make a release the release checklist applies:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release+Planning+Template

(of course, most items do not apply since this is a micro release).


As for the source code, we don't even need a new branch (even though I
would be for creating it); as you see at http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/
openoffice/branches/ for 4.1.1 we reused the "AOO410" branch.

I am aware of that, personally I dont like it, because we loose track of
what was released, but I will leave that to the release manager.


OK, so if nobody sees reasons to reuse "AOO410" I think we agree that we
will create a "AOO412" branch for 4.1.2.


Yes, please. IMHO every new release with code changes should have a 
separated branch - or at least SVN tag.


Marcus


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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Michal Hriň  wrote:

> Dňa 01.01.2015 o 23:16 jan i napísal(a):
>
>  On 1 January 2015 at 22:57, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>
>>  As I wrote yesterday, it's time to start looking for a new PMC Chair that
>>> can replace me (only for these specific duties; I'll of course continue
>>> with all my other activities, that are the vast majority) when
>>> applicable.
>>> We are not in a hurry as I will take care of the January Board report,
>>> but
>>> it's good to start moving.
>>>
>>> Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or
>>> self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with
>>> nominations.
>>>
>>> My duties as a Chair cover only a minimal part of my activity in
>>> OpenOffice, so it's good that I point out what is expected of a Chair:
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>
>>> 1) The Chair is the interface between the Project Management Committee
>>> and
>>> the Apache Board. The Chair takes responsibilities for the quarterly
>>> report
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports
>>>
>>> 2) The chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure
>>> that everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow
>>> smoothly. There is no concept of "leader" in the Apache way.
>>>
>>> 3) After the project has elected new committers or PMC members, the Chair
>>> is responsible for the needed updates to the Apache LDAP groups.
>>>
>>>
>> You describe very correctly the duties of a chair, seen from our bylaws.
>> But apart from that, there seems be an unwritten rule the chair is
>> normally also quite active..
>>
>> In the bigger part of ASF projects, the PMC is active together with the
>> chair, in that case chair function is purely administrative.
>>
>> You can find some project where the chair is active, but the rest of the
>> PMC is only limited active, in that case the chair should be active in
>> reactivating the PMC.
>>
>> I have yet to find a project where the chair is inactive while the PMC is
>> active.
>>
>> Bear in mind I dont speak of the chair as a role (which you have already
>> correctly described), but the person behind the role. That person, should
>> always have a finger on the pulse of  the community, be prepared to help
>> solve conflictsof course if the PMC group is active, this is not a
>> problem.and most importantly that person should having the backing of
>> the PMC group.
>>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
> OK, we know what are duties of PMC Chair.
> Both of you didn't get out a names of candidates. Probably, I know your
> view, but please, put it here.
>
> So here I chose some people, to make this election easier.
>
> Rob Weir
> Marcus Lange
> Key Schenk
>
> This are I thing object reasons, looking on activity on mailing lists (dev
> && l10n && commits) for last year and for a time after last release.
>
> This is not my finite vote. I will wait for others nominations.
>
> And don't to forget, named people, express your opinion here, if you want,
> are willing and able to do this.
>
> Regards,
> Michal Hriň


I am nominating Rob Weir .

Reasons --
* active in both OpenOffice and ODF
* one of the initial proposers/committers to establish OpenOffice at Apache
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal
* years of experience in the OpenOffice derivative, Symphony
* demonstrated leadership in this project
* participates and attends open source and OpenOffice events
* recently appointed member of the Apache Software Foundation --
http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2014/board_minutes_2014_07_16.txt


>
>
>
>>> So please go on with your nominations. We don't have strict rules about
>>> eligibility. As I verified, nominees needn't be PMC members, since they
>>> can
>>> be admitted to the PMC as part of their election. They needn't be
>>> OpenOffice committers either, but in practice the new Chair needs to
>>> have a
>>> good knowledge of the project, so I see it reasonable (but again, not
>>> mandatory) that the new Chair is chosen among the OpenOffice committers:
>>> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>Andrea.
>>>
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Re: [mail list moderation] Help needed with message to "announce"

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> I included annou...@openoffice.apache.org on the message I sent yesterday
> about ApacheConNA, but it hasn't been delivered to that list. Does it need
> help from a list moderator?
>


Sorry for the delay.  I've been distracted by various family events
over the holidays.  Should be 'back to normal' next week.

So we're all on the same page, the way annou...@openoffice.org works is:

1) It automatically rejects all posts unless sent from apache.org
email address.So this means only committers can submit notes.

2) All posts are held for moderation.   I'm one moderator.  I'm not
sure who else is.

Regards,

-Rob

> --
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>
> "There's a bit of magic in everything,
>   and some loss to even things out."
> -- Lou Reed

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Re: New Year, New Chair

[Dave Fisher]

Certainly Andrea has been a most excellent PMC Chair for OpenOffice.

Thanks!

Happy New Year to all!

Regards,
Dave

On Jan 2, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Marcus wrote:

> Also from my side a big thank you for your work - especially as first chair 
> in our new TLP project times.
> 
> And of course, a Happy New Year to all of you.
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> Am 12/31/2014 10:46 PM, schrieb jan i:
>> Let me be the first to say you have done an outstanding job of bringing us
>> into apache.
>> 
>> Changing chairs is not mandatory in apache, but I respect your vision and
>> outlook, and agree time is right for a change of chair.
>> 
>> Like you I see this as a natural process due to changes in priorities, and
>> if I may add your personal life, reminding that we are all volunteers. You
>> have done alot for AOO and I personally hope for a great cooperation in
>> 2015.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Andrea Pescetti
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been the OpenOffice Project Chair for two years, since late 2012.
>>> While the term is not strictly set, big Apache projects usually rotate
>>> their Chair every 1-2 years, and OpenOffice should do the same.
>>> 
>>> So we should look at finding a new project Chair in January, and at
>>> transitioning from me to the new Chair at the first Board meeting. This is
>>> a normal transition and I'd like that we make it as smooth as possible:
>>> I'll stay as a Chair until a new one has been chosen. Stay tuned for more
>>> information: I'll share a schedule tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Of course, I plan to maintain my current level of activity in the project,
>>> and to continue as an OpenOffice committer and PMC member. It is simply
>>> correct to rotate this (mostly administrative) role within the group.
> 
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Re: [mail list moderation] Help needed with message to "announce"

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/02/2015 03:05 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> I included annou...@openoffice.apache.org on the message I sent yesterday
>> about ApacheConNA, but it hasn't been delivered to that list. Does it need
>> help from a list moderator?
>>
> 
> 
> Sorry for the delay.  I've been distracted by various family events
> over the holidays.  Should be 'back to normal' next week.
> 
> So we're all on the same page, the way annou...@openoffice.org works is:
> 
> 1) It automatically rejects all posts unless sent from apache.org
> email address.So this means only committers can submit notes.
> 
> 2) All posts are held for moderation.   I'm one moderator.  I'm not
> sure who else is.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob

it did get moderated eventually, but thanks for this post. I had read
the instructions and followed them, but didn't know about the moderation
for all posts. All good now. No worries.

> 
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>>
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>>   and some loss to even things out."
>> -- Lou Reed
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