Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:

On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:

On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

The important things are:
- decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
in the next few days for this

The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
spanish ones).
We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
Sticker postcards have been running out.

How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?


OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...

Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
1) Pins: we already have the design at 
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can 
someone suggest a provider and take care of this?
2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find 
anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are 
already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.


"Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will 
have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we 
can have it too.

2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with 
finding a provider.


Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We 
have funds that can cover these expenses.



we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
places.


Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Design change for side bar

[FR web forum]

For me, any changes in UI must be implemented as an option.
End-user can enable or not through a menu or dialogbox.

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De: "Kay Schenk" 
À: "OOo Apache" 
Envoyé: Samedi 10 Janvier 2015 18:04:48
Objet: Re: Design change for side bar

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Regina Henschel 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the pending review request https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> show_bug.cgi?id=125989 is about a change in the visual style of the side
> bar. We do not have a special "Design" group and I do not want to decide
> alone. So please have a look at screenshots in that issue.
>
> Is this a problem, I should forward to the users mailing list?
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>

I put my comments in the issue. I actually prefer the design as it is now,
but, just my opinion.

In any case, thanks for bringing this to "dev". The changes do need more
feedback I think.


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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[jan i]

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
>>
>>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>
 The important things are:
 - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
 in the next few days for this

>>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>>> spanish ones).
>>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
>>>
>> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
>>
>
> OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
>
> Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
> 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> and take care of this?
> 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
>
> "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> have it too.
> 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> finding a provider.

With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
opinion.

>
> Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> have funds that can cover these expenses.
>
>  we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
>> places.
>>
>
> Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?

not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.

rgds
jan i


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Run ./configure setup that display some.H file not found property:

[郄宁]

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JavaFx addon causes OO to freeze in linux (works in windows)

[Arch]

Hello


I have got a custom OpenOffice addon which was developed by my company. 
Addon works fine on windows systems but causes oo to crush when ran in 
linux.
Addon loads simple javafx frame. The problem is that there is no 
exception thrown whatsoever, no errors in openoffice logs, even when i 
run it from source code in debug mode. OO freezes the moment it tries to 
load javafx.
Have tested the addon on 4 different linux distributions : (CentOs 6.5,  
Arch Linux, Linux Mint 17.1, Fedora), OO versions: 4.1.0 and 4.1.1, Java 
versions : 1.7.0_67, 1.8.0_25-b17.


Simple Login window which i'm trying to load: 
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RNPKzQew


Is there any known issue with openoffice & javafx in linux? Has anyone 
experanced same problem?

Is javafx supported technology for oo addons in linux?








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Re: compile error

[Oliver Brinzing]

Hi 郄宁,


Can be compiled. but excuse me,build --all

> and build --all -P2 ---P2 what's different about the compilation?

this should speed up the building process, please see
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows
-> parallel builds

Regards
Oliver



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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:

IMHO this PMC is more quite
than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.


It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both 
candidates, the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to 
change. This is not necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a 
new PMC Chair, but both candidates want to see a different PMC. I want 
it too! But it's just appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this 
purely internal change. And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be 
sure to have understood this in advance.


Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like 
to see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary 
and amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I 
think we can take the time to clarify it before voting.


Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the 
project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than 
working in isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and 
collaboratively to realise our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We 
also need to focus on marketing efforts toward companies and government 
agencies who are already using (or considering to use)  OpenOffice. Let 
me add, while it doesn't seem revolutionary, this view of the PMC 
implies quite a change: OpenOffice so far depended more on the patience 
and the efforts of several individuals rather than being a concerted action.


Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and 
changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the 
whole "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of 
resources that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to 
show results fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where 
we ask everybody to either confirm that he/she is still interested in 
driving the project forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of 
writing that it's useless that he runs unless the PMC understands these 
guidelines.


So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions 
in a wrong way, and others please make sure you are aware of what is 
going to change with this vote (other than the obvious replacement of 
the PMC Chair). And then I'll call the vote when we are all informed 
enough! And thanks again to both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh 
perspective, I haven't acknowledged you explicitly for it but I agree 
with Marcus that while we are quiet we do read and think. Anyway, it's 
better to be sure that we are ready to vote.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 14:02, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>> IMHO this PMC is more quite
>> than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
>> that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.
> 
> It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both candidates, 
> the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to change. This is not 
> necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a new PMC Chair, but both 
> candidates want to see a different PMC. I want it too! But it's just 
> appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this purely internal change. 
> And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be sure to have understood this 
> in advance.
> 
> Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like to 
> see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary and 
> amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I think we 
> can take the time to clarify it before voting.
> 
> Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the 
> project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than working in 
> isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and collaboratively to realise 
> our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We also need to focus on marketing 
> efforts toward companies and government agencies who are already using (or 
> considering to use)  OpenOffice. Let me add, while it doesn't seem 
> revolutionary, this view of the PMC implies quite a change: OpenOffice so far 
> depended more on the patience and the efforts of several individuals rather 
> than being a concerted action.
> 
> Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and 
> changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the whole 
> "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of resources 
> that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to show results 
> fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where we ask everybody to 
> either confirm that he/she is still interested in driving the project 
> forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of writing that it's useless 
> that he runs unless the PMC understands these guidelines.
> 
> So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions in a 
> wrong way, and others please make sure you are aware of what is going to 
> change with this vote (other than the obvious replacement of the PMC Chair). 
> And then I'll call the vote when we are all informed enough! And thanks again 
> to both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh perspective, I haven't 
> acknowledged you explicitly for it but I agree with Marcus that while we are 
> quiet we do read and think. Anyway, it's better to be sure that we are ready 
> to vote.
> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Andrea, this is an accurate and better-than-the-original summary. Thanks.

I’m hoping we can have discussions on the points Jan and I have raised—as well 
as any others the community finds interesting. 

Best
louis
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 14:02, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> 
> On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>> IMHO this PMC is more quite
>> than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
>> that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.
> 
> It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both candidates, 
> the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to change. This is not 
> necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a new PMC Chair, but both 
> candidates want to see a different PMC. I want it too! But it's just 
> appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this purely internal change. 
> And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be sure to have understood this 
> in advance.
> 
> Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like to 
> see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary and 
> amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I think we 
> can take the time to clarify it before voting.
> 
> Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the 
> project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than working in 
> isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and collaboratively to realise 
> our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We also need to focus on marketing 
> efforts toward companies and government agencies who are already using (or 
> considering to use)  OpenOffice. Let me add, while it doesn't seem 
> revolutionary, this view of the PMC implies quite a change: OpenOffice so far 
> depended more on the patience and the efforts of several individuals rather 
> than being a concerted action.
> 
> Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and 
> changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the whole 
> "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of resources 
> that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to show results 
> fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where we ask everybody to 
> either confirm that he/she is still interested in driving the project 
> forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of writing that it's useless 
> that he runs unless the PMC understands these guidelines.
> 
> So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions in a 
> wrong way, and others please make sure you are aware of what is going to 
> change with this vote (other than the obvious replacement of the PMC Chair). 
> And then I'll call the vote when we are all informed enough! And thanks again 
> to both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh perspective, I haven't 
> acknowledged you explicitly for it but I agree with Marcus that while we are 
> quiet we do read and think. Anyway, it's better to be sure that we are ready 
> to vote.
> 
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Andrea, this is an accurate and better-than-the-original summary. Thanks.

I’m hoping we can have discussions on the points Jan and I have raised—as well 
as any others the community finds interesting. 

Best
louis
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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Michal Hri]

I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
 - MH 

 Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
   

 On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
>>
>>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>
 The important things are:
 - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
 in the next few days for this

>>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>>> spanish ones).
>>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
>>>
>> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
>>
>
> OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
>
> Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
> 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> and take care of this?
> 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
>
> "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> have it too.
> 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> finding a provider.

With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
opinion.

>
> Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> have funds that can cover these expenses.
>
>  we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
>> places.
>>
>
> Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?

not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.

rgds
jan i


>
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>  Andrea.
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[jan i]

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>
>> IMHO this PMC is more quite
>> than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
>> that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.
>>
>
> It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both
> candidates, the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to change.
> This is not necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a new PMC
> Chair, but both candidates want to see a different PMC. I want it too! But
> it's just appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this purely
> internal change. And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be sure to
> have understood this in advance.
>
> Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like
> to see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary
> and amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I
> think we can take the time to clarify it before voting.
>
> Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the
> project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than working
> in isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and collaboratively to
> realise our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We also need to focus on
> marketing efforts toward companies and government agencies who are already
> using (or considering to use)  OpenOffice. Let me add, while it doesn't
> seem revolutionary, this view of the PMC implies quite a change: OpenOffice
> so far depended more on the patience and the efforts of several individuals
> rather than being a concerted action.
>
> Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and
> changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the whole
> "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of
> resources that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to
> show results fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where we
> ask everybody to either confirm that he/she is still interested in driving
> the project forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of writing that
> it's useless that he runs unless the PMC understands these guidelines.

 "understand" is not what I expect, I expect the PMC to actively help
pursue all the changes I outlined, without expecting me to do more than
push.

 I still have not seen any signs of PMC change (I interpret silence in this
discussion as "don't care") so It still seems useless to have me serve
for the 2months I promised


> So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions in
> a wrong way,

 and others please make sure you are aware of what is going to change with
> this vote (other than the obvious replacement of the PMC Chair). And then
> I'll call the vote when we are all informed enough! And thanks again to
> both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh perspective, I haven't acknowledged
> you explicitly for it but I agree with Marcus that while we are quiet we do
> read and think. Anyway, it's better to be sure that we are ready to vote.


May I add something based on a private communication from 2 PMC. Those of
you who think "one candidate will make AOO die, so lets choose the other
candidate", please discuss this in here or even better step up and ask to
be nominated.

rgds
jan i

>
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>   Andrea.
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 15:51, jan i  wrote:
> 
> I still have not seen any signs of PMC change (I interpret silence in this
> discussion as "don't care") so It still seems useless to have me serve
> for the 2months I promised

Jan,
Let’s take a wild leap and imagine that many on this list don’t have a clear 
sense of what you are talking about. :-)

What do you mean by “signs of PMC change”?

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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[jan i]

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Michal Hri 
wrote:

> I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/1626526089
> 

I like the english one. To get the best print quality svg is normally the
best format.

rgds
jan i

>  - MH
>
>  Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  > napísal:
>
>
>  On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  > wrote:
>
> > On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >>>
>  The important things are:
>  - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take
> time
>  in the next few days for this
> 
> >>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the
> "15
> >>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
> >>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
> >>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
> >>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
> >>> spanish ones).
> >>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins
> (retro
> >>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
> >>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
> >>>
> >> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year
> marker ?
> >>
> >
> > OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
> >
> > Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for)
> include:
> > 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> > marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> > and take care of this?
> > 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> > anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> > 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> > already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
> >
> > "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> > have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> > 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> > have it too.
> > 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> > 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> > 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> > finding a provider.
>
> With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
> a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
> opinion.
>
> >
> > Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> > have funds that can cover these expenses.
> >
> >  we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> >> places.
> >>
> >
> > Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
>
> not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
> prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
>
> rgds
> jan i
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Andrea.
> >
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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Marcus]

Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:

I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/


thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.

May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
"Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)


Marcus




  Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:


  On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:


On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:


On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:


On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


The important things are:
- decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
in the next few days for this


The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
spanish ones).
We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
Sticker postcards have been running out.


How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?



OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...

Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
and take care of this?
2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.

"Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
have it too.
2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
finding a provider.


With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
opinion.



Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
have funds that can cover these expenses.

   we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap

places.



Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?


not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Michal Hriň]

V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:07 +0100, jan i napísal(a):
> On Monday, January 12, 2015, Michal Hri 
> wrote:
> 
> > I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/1626526089
> > 
> 
> I like the english one. To get the best print quality svg is normally the
> best format.
> 

Picture was created from .png (so this is the quality of base pictures),
I don't have vectors, maybe someone can point me where to find it. 

  

> rgds
> jan i
> 
> >  - MH
> >
> >  Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  > > napísal:
> >
> >
> >  On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  > > wrote:
> >
> > > On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > >>>
> >  The important things are:
> >  - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take
> > time
> >  in the next few days for this
> > 
> > >>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the
> > "15
> > >>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
> > >>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
> > >>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
> > >>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
> > >>> spanish ones).
> > >>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins
> > (retro
> > >>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
> > >>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
> > >>>
> > >> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year
> > marker ?
> > >>
> > >
> > > OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
> > >
> > > Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for)
> > include:
> > > 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> > > marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> > > and take care of this?
> > > 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> > > anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> > > 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> > > already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
> > >
> > > "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> > > have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> > > 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> > > have it too.
> > > 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> > > 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> > > 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> > > finding a provider.
> >
> > With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
> > a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
> > opinion.
> >
> > >
> > > Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> > > have funds that can cover these expenses.
> > >
> > >  we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> > >> places.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
> >
> > not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
> > prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan i
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >  Andrea.
> > >
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Marcus]

Am 01/12/2015 08:02 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:

IMHO this PMC is more quite
than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.


It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both
candidates, the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to
change. This is not necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a
new PMC Chair, but both candidates want to see a different PMC. I want
it too! But it's just appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this
purely internal change. And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be
sure to have understood this in advance.

Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like
to see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary
and amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I
think we can take the time to clarify it before voting.

Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the
project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than
working in isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and
collaboratively to realise our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We
also need to focus on marketing efforts toward companies and government
agencies who are already using (or considering to use) OpenOffice. Let
me add, while it doesn't seem revolutionary, this view of the PMC
implies quite a change: OpenOffice so far depended more on the patience
and the efforts of several individuals rather than being a concerted
action.

Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and
changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the
whole "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of
resources that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to
show results fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where
we ask everybody to either confirm that he/she is still interested in
driving the project forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of
writing that it's useless that he runs unless the PMC understands these
guidelines.

So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions
in a wrong way, and others please make sure you are aware of what is
going to change with this vote (other than the obvious replacement of
the PMC Chair). And then I'll call the vote when we are all informed
enough! And thanks again to both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh
perspective, I haven't acknowledged you explicitly for it but I agree
with Marcus that while we are quiet we do read and think. Anyway, it's
better to be sure that we are ready to vote.


maybe a crazy idea:

When reading both summaries I think both are close to each other as both 
want to strengthen the community. Louis seems to focus on marketing (and 
to improve the look other have from the outside) and Jan is focusing 
more on resource improvements inside of the project. For realizing both 
ideas we need to improve the community and its work.


So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?

Marcus


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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Michal Hriň]

V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):
> Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:
> > I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
> 
> thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.
> 
> May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
> be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
> it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
> "Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)
> 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/15646918643/

Better ? :)

- MH


> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> >   Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
> >
> >
> >   On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
> >>>
>  On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> 
> > The important things are:
> > - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
> > in the next few days for this
> >
>  The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>  years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>  English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>  years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>  We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>  spanish ones).
>  We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>  design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>  Sticker postcards have been running out.
> 
> >>> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
> >>
> >> Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
> >> 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> >> marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> >> and take care of this?
> >> 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> >> anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> >> 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> >> already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
> >>
> >> "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> >> have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> >> 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> >> have it too.
> >> 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> >> 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> >> 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> >> finding a provider.
> >
> > With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
> > a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
> > opinion.
> >
> >>
> >> Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> >> have funds that can cover these expenses.
> >>
> >>we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> >>> places.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
> >
> > not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
> > prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
> 
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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Michal Hriň]

V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):
> Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:
> > I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
> 
> thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.
> 
> May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
> be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
> it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
> "Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)
> 

Sorry, here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16266021142/

> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> >   Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
> >
> >
> >   On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
> >>>
>  On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> 
> > The important things are:
> > - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
> > in the next few days for this
> >
>  The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>  years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>  English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>  years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>  We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>  spanish ones).
>  We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>  design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>  Sticker postcards have been running out.
> 
> >>> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
> >>
> >> Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
> >> 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> >> marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> >> and take care of this?
> >> 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> >> anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> >> 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> >> already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
> >>
> >> "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> >> have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> >> 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> >> have it too.
> >> 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> >> 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> >> 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> >> finding a provider.
> >
> > With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
> > a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
> > opinion.
> >
> >>
> >> Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> >> have funds that can cover these expenses.
> >>
> >>we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> >>> places.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
> >
> > not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
> > prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
> 
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Dave Fisher]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 01/12/2015 08:02 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> On 11/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>>> IMHO this PMC is more quite
>>> than others inside Apache projects. So, I wouldn't see this as a sign
>>> that they won't follow you. Only direct talkings can help to judge this.
>> 
>> It is important that the PMC understands that, according to both
>> candidates, the way the OpenOffice PMC operated so far will have to
>> change. This is not necessarily linked to the fact that we will have a
>> new PMC Chair, but both candidates want to see a different PMC. I want
>> it too! But it's just appropriate that the new PMC Chair will drive this
>> purely internal change. And we all (the whole community, I mean) must be
>> sure to have understood this in advance.
>> 
>> Let me take a risk and try to summarize what either candidate would like
>> to see changed, from their mails. And then let them expand on my summary
>> and amend it as needed. It is very important that things are clear, so I
>> think we can take the time to clarify it before voting.
>> 
>> Louis is saying that the PMC Chair should use his authority to grow the
>> project. He sees the Chair role as "enabling others" (rather than
>> working in isolation or being a lead): work efficiently and
>> collaboratively to realise our visions of Apache OpenOffice's future. We
>> also need to focus on marketing efforts toward companies and government
>> agencies who are already using (or considering to use) OpenOffice. Let
>> me add, while it doesn't seem revolutionary, this view of the PMC
>> implies quite a change: OpenOffice so far depended more on the patience
>> and the efforts of several individuals rather than being a concerted
>> action.
>> 
>> Jan is saying that his main effort would be to push hard for action and
>> changes, stop talking (as a community) and start doing. He thinks the
>> whole "OpenOffice ecosystem", including derivatives, is facing a lack of
>> resources that requires changes in attitude. We, as OpenOffice, need to
>> show results fast, including a 2-months restructuring of the PMC where
>> we ask everybody to either confirm that he/she is still interested in
>> driving the project forward, or leave the PMC. He came to the point of
>> writing that it's useless that he runs unless the PMC understands these
>> guidelines.
>> 
>> So, please Louis and Jan do correct me if I summarized your intentions
>> in a wrong way, and others please make sure you are aware of what is
>> going to change with this vote (other than the obvious replacement of
>> the PMC Chair). And then I'll call the vote when we are all informed
>> enough! And thanks again to both Louis and Jan for bringing a fresh
>> perspective, I haven't acknowledged you explicitly for it but I agree
>> with Marcus that while we are quiet we do read and think. Anyway, it's
>> better to be sure that we are ready to vote.
> 
> maybe a crazy idea:
> 
> When reading both summaries I think both are close to each other as both want 
> to strengthen the community. Louis seems to focus on marketing (and to 
> improve the look other have from the outside) and Jan is focusing more on 
> resource improvements inside of the project. For realizing both ideas we need 
> to improve the community and its work.
> 
> So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?

Since the Chair at Apache is more ceremonial than THE lead in the best case 
then there should be nothing to preclude both Jan and Louis from scratching 
their itch and leading regardless of whom is the Chair.

Asking inactive PMC to go emeritus can be done in any case. The merit does not 
expire and if willing to be active one can be restored.

I have respect for both. Let the debate continue.

Regards,
Dave.


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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Marcus]

Am 01/12/2015 10:55 PM, schrieb Michal Hriň:

V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):

Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:

I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/


thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.

May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should
be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently
it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of
"Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)



Sorry, here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16266021142/


great, thanks. :-)

Marcus




   Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i   napísal:


   On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti   wrote:


On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:


On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:


On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


The important things are:
- decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
in the next few days for this


The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
spanish ones).
We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
Sticker postcards have been running out.


How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?



OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...

Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
and take care of this?
2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.

"Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
have it too.
2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
finding a provider.


With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
opinion.



Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
have funds that can cover these expenses.

we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap

places.



Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?


not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 17:02, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?
> 
> Since the Chair at Apache is more ceremonial than THE lead in the best case 
> then there should be nothing to preclude both Jan and Louis from scratching 
> their itch and leading regardless of whom is the Chair.

The point I made earlier was that the “chair” title confers a kind of authority 
that we here in Apache land might find to be beside the point but others won’t. 
It’s not that I or anyone else, I imagine, would claim that 
chair equals lead. It doesn’t. But that the chair would be, in addition to the 
regular and normal admin role, a figure for the expansion and development of 
the project. 

Of course, the community could create such roles—Marketing Leads, say. Done 
that before, and it works fine. But I’m also keen—and I think others are, 
too—in keeping to a minimum bureaucratic structures. (Not because I dislike 
bureaucracy—I don’t, in theory, as a means of resolving differences—but because 
titles and roles tend to calcify, and that I don’t think anyone likes.) 
> 
> Asking inactive PMC to go emeritus can be done in any case. The merit does 
> not expire and if willing to be active one can be restored.

Right. I was going over the PMC list 
(http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc) and then 
relating those listed to participation (however defined) in the project. I’m 
terrible at engaging actively in the lists but equally terrible at boring 
people at every possible opportunity about the plusses and minuses of 
OpenOffice and the ODF, and now Corinthia (endless fun). So I give everyone 
lots of benefit of a doubt, if I missed their engagement. But I was curious why 
some members have dropped off—or slowed their engagement. A fair question, no? 
> 
> I have respect for both. Let the debate continue.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> ———

Cheers,
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Marcus]

Am 01/12/2015 11:22 PM, schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:



On 12 Jan 2015, at 17:02, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Asking inactive PMC to go emeritus can be done in any case. The merit does not 
expire and if willing to be active one can be restored.


Right. I was going over the PMC list 
(http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc) and then 
relating those listed to participation (however defined) in the project. I’m 
terrible at engaging actively in the lists but equally terrible at boring 
people at every possible opportunity about the plusses and minuses of 
OpenOffice and the ODF, and now Corinthia (endless fun). So I give everyone 
lots of benefit of a doubt, if I missed their engagement. But I was curious why 
some members have dropped off—or slowed their engagement. A fair question, no?


sure, but please let us separate both things. Changing the list of PMC 
members is different from voting for a new chair.


Marcus


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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 18:00, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Am 01/12/2015 11:22 PM, schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:
>> 
>>> On 12 Jan 2015, at 17:02, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Asking inactive PMC to go emeritus can be done in any case. The merit does 
>>> not expire and if willing to be active one can be restored.
>> 
>> Right. I was going over the PMC list 
>> (http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc) and 
>> then relating those listed to participation (however defined) in the 
>> project. I’m terrible at engaging actively in the lists but equally terrible 
>> at boring people at every possible opportunity about the plusses and minuses 
>> of OpenOffice and the ODF, and now Corinthia (endless fun). So I give 
>> everyone lots of benefit of a doubt, if I missed their engagement. But I was 
>> curious why some members have dropped off—or slowed their engagement. A fair 
>> question, no?
> 
> sure, but please let us separate both things. Changing the list of PMC 
> members is different from voting for a new chair.

Indeed. I think that one can only make changes to the PMC roster *after* an 
election for the chair of the current PMC :-)


> 
> Marcus

Cheers,
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[jan i]

On 13 January 2015 at 00:03, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

>
> > On 12 Jan 2015, at 18:00, Marcus  wrote:
> >
> > Am 01/12/2015 11:22 PM, schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:
> >>
> >>> On 12 Jan 2015, at 17:02, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Asking inactive PMC to go emeritus can be done in any case. The merit
> does not expire and if willing to be active one can be restored.
> >>
> >> Right. I was going over the PMC list (
> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc) and
> then relating those listed to participation (however defined) in the
> project. I’m terrible at engaging actively in the lists but equally
> terrible at boring people at every possible opportunity about the plusses
> and minuses of OpenOffice and the ODF, and now Corinthia (endless fun). So
> I give everyone lots of benefit of a doubt, if I missed their engagement.
> But I was curious why some members have dropped off—or slowed their
> engagement. A fair question, no?
> >
> > sure, but please let us separate both things. Changing the list of PMC
> members is different from voting for a new chair.
>
> Indeed. I think that one can only make changes to the PMC roster *after*
> an election for the chair of the current PMC :-)
>
Agreed but remark the difference between Louis and mein my world,
"benefit of doubt" expired long time ago. I would have a simple ruleset:
any PMC who have not been been on dev@ or private@ for 3 month and
- who do not react to a personal mail requestion a confirmation on private
- who do not participate in the vote (implicit a function of the first rule)
would be asked to asked to leave, and if no reaction, ask the board for an
ACK to remove such people.

Please also remark the difference in opinion about what chair is. I do not
see a chair as a figure of anything, a chair is a PMC like all other PMC
members. But I do accept the fact that the world as such do not always
understand "the apache way" and to some the chair is more important. Since
I am not into marketing (where the title chair matters) I have no need to
be chair.

Remark, whoever ends up getting elected (maybe we should really open up for
new nominations), I will continue to work as usual.

rgds
jan i.



>
> >
> > Marcus
>
> Cheers,
> louis
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 12/01/2015 Marcus wrote:

I think both are close to each other as both
want to strengthen the community. Louis seems to focus on marketing (and
to improve the look other have from the outside) and Jan is focusing
more on resource improvements inside of the project. For realizing both
ideas we need to improve the community and its work.
So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?


This is not a crazy idea at all. I mean, I'm certain that both will 
help, and that I will help actively too, and you Marcus, and all other 
active people, each in their favorite area. We will obviously need to 
elect one Chair, but this leaves unchanged opportunities for the others 
to help.


The solution to what clearly is an issue (i.e., our PMC members listed 
at http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc 
are not very active or very coordinated on average) can be different. 
Louis wrote about "facilitation", Jan wrote about "action", and these 
are two different ways to address the issue.


One very clear thing is that the PMC will no longer be passively 
watching the others work, in any case. So guys, be prepared to have to 
be active! Would you work better with a certain candidate than with 
another one? Do you prefer a certain style? Please use this discussion 
to briefly state and exchange your views, and then we will move to voting.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Andrea Pescetti]

jan i wrote:

he world as such do not always
understand "the apache way" and to some the chair is more important. Since
I am not into marketing (where the title chair matters) I have no need to
be chair.


I prefer to avoid expressing personal points of view in this discussion, 
but I can reply to this: after more than 2 years, almost nobody outside 
this list knows that I am the OpenOffice PMC Chair. I'm averse to 
publicity, but the title might be good for marketing only if one wants 
to use it, because anyway it's the PMC and not the Chair that steers the 
project, and the project is setup for a collective governance (like, 
press requests go to the press alias that routes them to the PMC, not to 
the Chair). This is why this discussion is important!


Regards,
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/12/2015 03:32 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 12/01/2015 Marcus wrote:
>> I think both are close to each other as both
>> want to strengthen the community. Louis seems to focus on marketing (and
>> to improve the look other have from the outside) and Jan is focusing
>> more on resource improvements inside of the project. For realizing both
>> ideas we need to improve the community and its work.
>> So, what about to let both try to realize this as kind of dual chair?
> 
> This is not a crazy idea at all. I mean, I'm certain that both will
> help, and that I will help actively too, and you Marcus, and all other
> active people, each in their favorite area. We will obviously need to
> elect one Chair, but this leaves unchanged opportunities for the others
> to help.
> 
> The solution to what clearly is an issue (i.e., our PMC members listed
> at http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#openoffice-pmc
> are not very active or very coordinated on average) can be different.
> Louis wrote about "facilitation", Jan wrote about "action", and these
> are two different ways to address the issue.
> 
> One very clear thing is that the PMC will no longer be passively
> watching the others work, in any case. So guys, be prepared to have to
> be active! Would you work better with a certain candidate than with
> another one? Do you prefer a certain style? Please use this discussion
> to briefly state and exchange your views, and then we will move to voting.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
> 

I don't know how PMCs in other projects operate. I only know OpenOffice
because that's all I have time for. Andrea might actually be more of a
"do-er" chair than most. He does development, he does translation, he
attends many events, etc.

I have not actually tallied how many of our PMC "passively" watch as
opposed to work. It could be that those who are perceived as passive do
work we are not necessarily aware of.

All of us have on the PMC some notion of the kinds of resources we need
at this point. Even someone who characterizes himself as a "do-er" can
not manufacture certain elements on his own. The PMC, as a group, needs
to propose a plan, and then see what can be done to actualize it. I
imagine all of us have ideas about this. But Andrea's statement about
PMC members not being very coordinated does have validity. Maybe this is
because the project didn't start this way, being focused on resurrecting
the 3.4. release of OpenOffice.org with other priorities after that. So,
we really didn't start like a normal ground up project at Apache. Well I
could write a book on all this, but I doubt anyone wants to read it. :)

We all need to keep in mind that OpenOffice, like other Apache projects,
is composed of volunteers. Louis and Jan have different perspectives. In
any case we need a plan and the chair is not the only driving force.

OK, this was NOT brief. My apologies for that.

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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Kay Schenk]

On 01/12/2015 01:55 PM, Michal Hriň wrote:
> V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):
>> Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:
>>> I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
>>
>> thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.
>>
>> May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
>> be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
>> it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
>> "Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)
>>
> 
> Sorry, here
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16266021142/

very nice!

> 
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>   Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>>
 On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
>
>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> The important things are:
>>> - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
>>> in the next few days for this
>>>
>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>> spanish ones).
>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
>>
> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
>

 OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...

 Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
 marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
 and take care of this?
 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
 anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
 already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.

 "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
 have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
 have it too.
 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
 finding a provider.
>>>
>>> With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
>>> a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
>>> opinion.
>>>

 Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
 have funds that can cover these expenses.

we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> places.
>

 Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
>>>
>>> not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
>>> prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 12 Jan 2015, at 18:20, jan i  wrote:
> 
> Remark, whoever ends up getting elected (maybe we should really open up for
> new nominations), I will continue to work as usual.

Likewise I’ll work as … well, actually, as more than usual. :-)

Also: we make what we do with what we get and what we want, and that is as true 
for being Chair of the PMC as anything else.

cheers,
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Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Nancy K]

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  From: Michal Hriň 
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted
   
V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):
> Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:
> > I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
> 
> thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.
> 
> May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
> be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
> it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
> "Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)
> 

Sorry, here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16266021142/

> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> >      Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
> >
> >
> >  On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> >> On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
> >>>
>  On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> 
> > The important things are:
> > - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
> > in the next few days for this
> >
>  The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>  years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>  English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>  years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>  We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>  spanish ones).
>  We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>  design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>  Sticker postcards have been running out.
> 
> >>> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...
> >>
> >> Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
> >> 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
> >> marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
> >> and take care of this?
> >> 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
> >> anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
> >> 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
> >> already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.
> >>
> >> "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
> >> have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
> >> 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
> >> have it too.
> >> 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
> >> 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
> >> 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
> >> finding a provider.
> >
> > With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
> > a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
> > opinion.
> >
> >>
> >> Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
> >> have funds that can cover these expenses.
> >>
> >>    we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> >>> places.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
> >
> > not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
> > prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
> 
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Infographic Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted

[Nancy K]

I would like to try to build an infographic of 15-20 or so Open Office facts in 
Illustrator (there are some other programs that are free with prebuilt icons if 
anyone else wants to try this -  piktochart.com, easel.ly.com and 
infogr.am.com). Is there a place (or do you have any) with fun or interesting 
facts already known that I could use? 
Thanks
Nancy
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  From: Kay Schenk 
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Your stand proposal for Apache OpenOffice has been accepted
   


On 01/12/2015 01:55 PM, Michal Hriň wrote:
> V Pondelok, 12. január 2015 o 22:18 +0100, Marcus napísal(a):
>> Am 01/12/2015 09:06 PM, schrieb Michal Hri:
>>> I had an idea .. What do you think ? :)
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16240171406/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16265260892/
>>
>> thanks for making the pictures. The English one looks better for me.
>>
>> May I ask for 2 improvements? The sentence with "Liberating ..." should 
>> be a bit lower to get more space betweeen the gulls and text. Currently 
>> it's a bit overlapping. And I would use the word "Freeing" instead of 
>> "Liberating" - except an English native-speaker. ;-)
>>
> 
> Sorry, here
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/101590593@N06/16266021142/

very nice!

> 
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>      Dňa pondelok, 12. január 2015 10:50 ,jan i  napísal:
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Monday, January 12, 2015, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>>>
 On 30/12/2014 jan i wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, RA Stehmann wrote:
>
>> On 29.12.2014 22:11, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> The important things are:
>>> - decide WHAT to have (pins, roll-up?, other gadgets?); we can take time
>>> in the next few days for this
>>>
>> The roll-up is still existing, but if you want a special one for the "15
>> years" celebrations, it has to be purchased.
>> English flyers are existing, but if you need special ones for the "15
>> years" celebrations, they have to be produced.
>> We have also french and german flyers, but no dutch (and no italian or
>> spanish ones).
>> We have Apache feather stickers, OpenOffice.org lanyards and pins (retro
>> design ;-) ). And we have a few Apache cup warm keepers.
>> Sticker postcards have been running out.
>>
> How about sweat shirts with our logo, the feather and some 15year marker ?
>

 OK, so wrapping this up and since no-one volunteered for design...

 Stuff that we must have (and that we already have the design for) include:
 1) Pins: we already have the design at http://www.openoffice.org/
 marketing/art/galleries/logos/index.html ; can someone suggest a provider
 and take care of this?
 2) OpenOffice stickers: same? Or do we miss the design? I can't find
 anything, and probably the ones I saw still have the old logo.
 3) Apache stickers and possibly other materials: These probably are
 already arranged by Apache and will be delivered by Jan.

 "Nice to have" include (we need someone who designs this, and they will
 have to be dropped unless someone volunteers quickly):
 1) New roll-up with "15 years" design: if a volunteers designs it, we can
 have it too.
 2) New English leaflets with "15 years" design: same
 3) OpenOffice stickers if we need the design.
 4) Sweatshirts: I think it's a very nice idea, again the issue is with
 finding a provider.
>>>
>>> With only 2 weeks to go, I see it a bit unrealistic,  to make design, find
>>> a provider, agree on cost and get it delivered in time, but that is just my
>>> opinion.
>>>

 Budget is not an issue. It looks like the expense will be reasonable. We
 have funds that can cover these expenses.

    we should have the items produced in europe there are plenty of cheap
> places.
>

 Were you thinking about some website/company in particular?
>>>
>>> not anybody that can deliver overnight to a good price, to get the good
>>> prices you typically  need to allow 8-10 days delivery.
>>
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Compile error

[郄宁]

hi,all

Compile and run after a period of time error:

F:/build_tmp/aoo-4.1.1/main/solenv/gbuild/StaticLibrary.mk:45: recipe 
fortarget'/cygdrive/f/build_tmp/aoo-4.1.1/main/solver/411/wntmsci12/lib/expat_xmltok.lib'failed

Make: * * * 
[/cygdrive/f/build_tmp/aoo-4.1.1/main/solver/411/wntmsci12/lib/expat_xmltok.lib]
 Error 1

Dmake: Error code 2, while making'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_built_aprutil'

1 module (s):

Apr-util

Need (s) to be rebuilt

Reason (s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making 
/cygdrive/f/build_tmp/aoo-4.1.1/ext_libraries/apr-util