Welcome to Open XML SDK online hackathon

2015-03-05 Thread zhenning.li


 Hi all:

Recently, an Open XML SDK online hackathon organised by
Kaiyuanshe (Open Source alliance in China) has been running, the
registration deadline is March 8th, 2015. We encourage developers from
OpenOffice community to participant in this online hackathon. No matter
where you are, you can join the online hackathon, as long as you can speak
Chinese.

http://www.kaiyuanshe.cn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54
[1]

Thanks for your participants. Please contact EMILY CHEN if you are
interested in this activity

​

Michael Lee 

China Standard Software
Co,.Ltd . 



Links:
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http://www.kaiyuanshe.cn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54


[bug] Pop up can't close in compiled program

2015-03-05 Thread 郄宁
Hello,
 I use OpenOffice's(compiled in win7) search function after the discovery, if 
you want to know the content of no in the document, it will pop up a window, 
but the window what content is not, and cannot be turned off.
thanks.





Proofing Tool GUI V3.0 - beta - build 72 - 2015-03-05

2015-03-05 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto

Hello everyone,

Tonight I have updated PTG to build 72.

As you probably know, this is an open-source Hunspell tool which I am 
using to work on the British dictionary.


The last build I released was 70 and, since then, I have been able to 
optimise a lot the processing of wordlists. en_GB now takes almost half 
the time to process (extract, count, etc). This will also be visible on 
other dictionaries.


I have also added the feature of exporting wordlists with just the 
hyphens, and that is why I decided to release this build today:



Proofing Tool GUI 3.0 - beta - build 72 is available from its official site:
http://marcoagpinto.cidadevirtual.pt/proofingtoolgui.html

Please notice that it only works with one code chr in the .AFFs (some 
more recent .AFFs may use other forms of encoding such as numbers and 
letters several characters long). I tried to improve this, but it is 
very hard to accomplish. Even more than that form of encoding also uses 
recursivity in the rules which is a mess without proper documentation.


Thanks!

Kind regards,
 >Marco A.G.Pinto
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Re: [DISCUSS] Delete the notifications@ mailing list or not?

2015-03-05 Thread Marcus

Am 03/04/2015 08:13 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Thanks for your opinions. To respect the lazy consensus timeframe of 72h
I'll create a JIRA issue for Infra tomorrow evening (CET).


the removal was request via JIRA Infra:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9240

Marcus




Am 03/02/2015 11:04 PM, schrieb Marcus:

It seems we have a mailing list that nobody uses:

notificati...@openoffice.apache.org

Here we have no mails, so the archive is empty resp. not existing.

Apache Commons is using their notifications@ for buildbot SVN checkins
and production website checkins.

The question is now, what do we want to do with it:

- Deleting as it is not used and not needed
- Changing some commit messages to arrive there instead of commits@
- Something else


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Re: [MWiki] Account creation

2015-03-05 Thread Kay Schenk


On 03/05/2015 02:41 AM, Keith Alcock wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't really want access to the Wiki, but I do want someone who does
> to fix the page
> 
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Text/TextViewCursor
> 
> where it says that
> 
> com.sun.star.view.XLineCursor
> 
> has functions
> 
> boolean goDown( [in] long lines, [in] boolean bExpand)
> boolean goUp( [in] long lines, [in] boolean bExpand)
> 
> I find no such functions listed at
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/view/XLineCursor.html

These mehtods are defined in com/sun/star/view/XViewCursor

http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/view/XViewCursor.html

the wiki doc needs to be changed. Generally the api docs are more current.


> 
> and they are not included in   for
> OpenOffce 4.0.1.
> 
> I was attempting to make note of the fact in the discussion part of
> the page and couldn't.
> 
> Keith
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Re: Interoperability

2015-03-05 Thread Marcus

Am 03/05/2015 10:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On 03/05/2015 01:51 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:

Hi all,

The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
because MS Office can now use the ODF format.

Regards



Thanks for sharing! :)

If you can provide more details on what could be updated in the
interface from this audience, it would be helpful.


we all know that the AOO look & feel are some years old and therefore 
really need some new paintings. However, to know from users out of the 
praxis what exactly they want to have and see would be very valuable.


Then we just need some developers that can do it. ;-)

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Interoperability

2015-03-05 Thread Kay Schenk
On 03/05/2015 01:51 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
> impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
> possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
> expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
> question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
> because MS Office can now use the ODF format.
> 
> Regards
> 

Thanks for sharing! :)

If you can provide more details on what could be updated in the
interface from this audience, it would be helpful.

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Re: Interoperability

2015-03-05 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi all,

The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
because MS Office can now use the ODF format.

Regards
-- 
gw

2015-03-02 17:35 GMT+01:00 Guy Waterval :

> Hi all,
>
> I have been mandated to make an AOO presentation in a class of a technical
> school next Thursday. As those people are exclusively working with MS
> Office, I'd like to know where we actually are with the issue of
> interoperability. Is it an ongoing work, is it planned to have in the
> future the exportation function to MS OO XML format or if this project has
> been abandoned. This issue will be certainly adressed and I'm not clear
> with the current situation in this area.
>
> Many thanks for all information
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>


Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Kay Schenk


On 03/05/2015 10:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this.
> 
> Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are
> is for transparency.  Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as
> RGB-ES) could be used, although (optional?) Apache IDs are very handy
> too.
> 
> Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of
> turnover, it is possible to easily determine that replacements or
> additions are required in order to have adequate coverage.  That is
> related to sustainability.  One cannot address sustainability if it
> is unknown who the incumbents are and where it is useful to add/train
> additional contributors.
> 
> It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently
> the main concern, especially because some folks use private email
> addresses that are not widely-published for some mailings.  (Those
> who have an Apache ID often do not use the corresponding email
> address, even on private lists, and it always makes determination of
> binding votes all the more tricky.)
> 
> Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter
> and that is easily found, just as it is easy to determine who are the
> committers on Apache OpenOffice.  In all of these cases, the Apache
> ID is easy to determine even if it is not listed.
> 
> I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list
> administration roles, even for private@ and security@.  From my
> perspective, visibility comes with taking on those duties, especially
> since there is unusual karma involved.  And having it recorded in a
> public page that is kept current goes with the importance of having
> the information current and readily available.
> 
> I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@.
> 
> - Dennis

It seems our changes to make the PMC FAQ page make more sense had some
unintended, and based on this thread, some undesirable consequences.
Maybe some solutions for this--

[1] Put moderators on the Project mailing list page.
[2] Add a new cwiki page under Directory of Volunteers listing mailing
list moderators (easier to change but that could be a problem)

Other suggestions?


> 
> -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent:
> Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject:
> Re: PMC FAQ update
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they
> should publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the
> consent of the people.
> 
> My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it
> is forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it
> would be ok because it would be their own choice.
> 
> rgds jan i
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> 
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Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?

2015-03-05 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Sorry to answer late on this, got swamped by other emails and initiatives.
In line answers.

2015-02-28 23:10 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

>  -- replying inline to --
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:r...@robweir.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:38
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Some old OOo SVN dumps, of use to anyone?
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Simon Phipps  wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> IMHO this is an invaluable source of our history that we shouldn't
> loose.
> >
> >
> > I agree with this -- it's history for every derivative of OO.o, not just
> > AOO.
> >
> >
> >> Please save it at a location where it cannot be deleted by accident. So,
> >> the best would be indeed somewhere on a server/disk that is
> >> controlled/accessible at apache.org.
> >
> >
> > One issue may be licensing, as the work stored on Rob's disk was not the
> > one approved by Oracle to be relicensed for use by Apache.  Even if that
> > can be resolved, the image probably also includes portions that were not
> > included in the code identified for relicensing approval. I'm no expert
> on
> > Apache policies but it seems possible either of those conditions could
> make
> > the file inappropriate for storage by Apache directly.
> >
>
> It is not exactly the syllabic nucleus of the Vulcan language, but it
> could be useful.   If someone can offer a better long-term place for
> this, please chime in.   An SVN dump file is a text file, so I could
> gzip it down to something a bit smaller, maybe 50 GB.   It could be
> even more useful, of course, if hosted as an actual (read-only)
> repository, to consult the history of the code base.
>
> I'll hold on to it for now, but note that this is not currently in any
> controlled data center.  It is just sitting at home on a shelf,
> susceptible to the whims of fire, water, wind, the fates and cats.  It
> would be good to get it under suitable curation.
>
> 
>   Three prospects (worst to best?)
>
>   1. I just saw mention of an Apache branch on a file-sharing service,
>  not a code repository, but 50GB might be a reach.
>
>   2. I have a web hosting service that promises unlimited storage and
>  no bandwidth usage limit (though I think instantaneous bandwidth
>  is limited).  They also support CVS, SVN, and GIT, but I think I
>  would have to install the SVN myself.  I could easily create an FTP
>  account just for transfer and preservation of that specific
>  content though.  Not certain about curation.  Just another mirror
>  for preservation purposes.
>
>   3. I think SourceForge might be able to swallow this and set it up
>  as a read-only SVN.  Although the Apache Extras there are set up
>  mainly as a download service, there is no reason that it could
>  not have a repo too.  This would be perfect so long as it is
>  workable for them.
>

SourceForge is definitely open and willing to do so, and let me add that by
doing that we would just go back to our own roots.
In fact the early working name for the SourceForge site was "Cold Storage" (
http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=3649) and they intended
it to be a permanent archive for important FOSS.

Having said that, for a long-standing project like AOO, even if the "old
code" will be of limited use to an end-user, but as a practical matter it's
important for projects to keep these early materials in case they are
needed to demonstrate code ownership or prior art.  We continue to view
this as part of our key mission -- where practicable we should provide
service to safeguard the availability of these materials.

Dave Brondsema, Apache Allura VP and SourceForge Lead Engineer, will follow
up in this thread providing support or guidance if needed. Few AOO
committers have already admin priv on the AOO mirror at SourceForge, and if
others need to get access it could be granted easily.

Hope that helps.

Roberto




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>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > S.
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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton  wrote:

> jan i wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton >
> wrote:
> >
> >> jan i wrote:
> >>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps   >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  
> >> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk  
> >> >
> > wrote:
> >>>
>  I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
> >
> > I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> > moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> > where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
> >> moderator
> > names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> > https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
> 
> 
>  I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a
> discussion
> >> of
>  the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
>  please?
> 
> >>>
> >>> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
> >>>
> >>> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
> >>> published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
> >>>
> >>> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish
> the
> >>> individual names.
> >>>
> >>> rgds
> >>> jan i.
> >>
> >> With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
> >> internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
> >> https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> >
> > yeah but that does not tell which mailing lists we listen in on and a lot
> > of other things we do, it does e,g. not tell that I am AOO Chair.
>
> Rubbish! Another public page:
> https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jani
> Clearly and unequivocally states:
>  jani Jan Iversen corinthia, incubator, incubator-pmc,
> infrastructure, infrastructure-interest, labs, labs-pmc, member,
> openoffice, openoffice-pmc, pmc-chairs, tac-pmc 
>
> See also:
> https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#pmc-chairs
>
> Sorry, but I don't get your point about "which mailing lists we listen
> in on and a lot of other things we do". Who cares, but you make it
> sounds like you have something to hide. Also, who are "we" in this
> context, PMC members, project members, or everybody?
>
> >>
> >> Our "Mailing List" page states:
> >>  Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human
> moderators.
> >>
> >> Without referring to "private" information you or the PMC may hold tell
> >> me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
> >> list?
> >>
> >> Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?
> >
> > no way, but this is simply an information that has no relevance in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
> > publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of
> the
> > people.
>
> It was published for years, so why now do we have something to hide?
>
> > My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
> > forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be
> ok
> > because it would be their own choice.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan i
>
> Again, I don't understand "forced to participate". Nobody is forced to
> participate in this project by simply identifying the role they have
> volunteered to undertake.
>
> Your concerns are unfounded, Simon Phipps, myself and other moderators
> openly publish our identities and email addresses on this list and other
> public forums, so why would we become delicate sensitive little things
> about our names being published for a useful purpose.
>
> Cut to the chase:
> You did not answer my question about the names of the TWO moderators for
> our API mailing list because:
> 1. You don't know.

correct, it is not my job to know that.
rgds
jan i

> 2. There is only ONE moderator for that list.
> 3. This information is not publicly available.
>
> My reason for persisting with this somewhat trivial issue is that "we"
> (those with an interest in project at large, not just Infra, the PMC, or
> some other "sacred inner sanctum") would not have a ready source of
> reference if moderation, for whatever reason, ceased. Unlikely in the
> case of the dev list, but a definite possibility for the API list if the
> one current moderator got run over by a bus.
>
> If it will alleviate your concerns, I will post to the owner of each of
> our public lists asking for an affirmative response to the question of
> publishing moderator names on the mailing list page.
>
> See also the post from Dennis, who summarises this in more succinct and
> less abrasive terms.
>
> >>
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  S.
> 
>  [1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist
>
>
>
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Volunteer Introduction

2015-03-05 Thread Moses Jhai
Hi, 

I am an aspiring AQA software engineer from California. I'm interested in 
volunteering at ASF for experience, exposure and to stay active in my field and 
gain momentum. My experience is with Selenium and Java (jUnit, TestNG, 
Webdriver) along with some mySQL (but not much) as well as manual QA. I hope 
that these are useful skills to ASF and I look forward to contributing.

Thank you,
Moses
  

Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
jan i wrote:
> On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton  wrote:
> 
>> jan i wrote:
>>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps >
>> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton > > wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk > >
> wrote:
>>>
 I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
>
> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
>> moderator
> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?


 I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
>> of
 the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
 please?

>>>
>>> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
>>>
>>> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
>>> published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
>>>
>>> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
>>> individual names.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan i.
>>
>> With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
>> internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
>> https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html
> 
> yeah but that does not tell which mailing lists we listen in on and a lot
> of other things we do, it does e,g. not tell that I am AOO Chair.

Rubbish! Another public page:
https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jani
Clearly and unequivocally states:
 jani Jan Iversen corinthia, incubator, incubator-pmc,
infrastructure, infrastructure-interest, labs, labs-pmc, member,
openoffice, openoffice-pmc, pmc-chairs, tac-pmc 

See also:
https://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#pmc-chairs

Sorry, but I don't get your point about "which mailing lists we listen
in on and a lot of other things we do". Who cares, but you make it
sounds like you have something to hide. Also, who are "we" in this
context, PMC members, project members, or everybody?

>>
>> Our "Mailing List" page states:
>>  Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human moderators.
>>
>> Without referring to "private" information you or the PMC may hold tell
>> me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
>> list?
>>
>> Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?
> 
> no way, but this is simply an information that has no relevance in my
> opinion.
> 
> If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
> publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the
> people.

It was published for years, so why now do we have something to hide?

> My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
> forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok
> because it would be their own choice.
> 
> rgds
> jan i

Again, I don't understand "forced to participate". Nobody is forced to
participate in this project by simply identifying the role they have
volunteered to undertake.

Your concerns are unfounded, Simon Phipps, myself and other moderators
openly publish our identities and email addresses on this list and other
public forums, so why would we become delicate sensitive little things
about our names being published for a useful purpose.

Cut to the chase:
You did not answer my question about the names of the TWO moderators for
our API mailing list because:
1. You don't know.
2. There is only ONE moderator for that list.
3. This information is not publicly available.

My reason for persisting with this somewhat trivial issue is that "we"
(those with an interest in project at large, not just Infra, the PMC, or
some other "sacred inner sanctum") would not have a ready source of
reference if moderation, for whatever reason, ceased. Unlikely in the
case of the dev list, but a definite possibility for the API list if the
one current moderator got run over by a bus.

If it will alleviate your concerns, I will post to the owner of each of
our public lists asking for an affirmative response to the question of
publishing moderator names on the mailing list page.

See also the post from Dennis, who summarises this in more succinct and
less abrasive terms.

>>

 Thanks,

 S.

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RE: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I am aligned with Simon and Louis on this.

Part of the reason for knowing who moderators and administrators are is for 
transparency.  Civil names (sometimes pseudonyms, such as RGB-ES) could be 
used, although (optional?) Apache IDs are very handy too.

Another reason is so if someone goes missing or there is some sort of turnover, 
it is possible to easily determine that replacements or additions are required 
in order to have adequate coverage.  That is related to sustainability.  One 
cannot address sustainability if it is unknown who the incumbents are and where 
it is useful to add/train additional contributors.

It is not necessary to supply email addresses, which is apparently the main 
concern, especially because some folks use private email addresses that are not 
widely-published for some mailings.  (Those who have an Apache ID often do not 
use the corresponding email address, even on private lists, and it always makes 
determination of binding votes all the more tricky.)

Knowing who is on the PMC and who is the Chair is a different matter and that 
is easily found, just as it is easy to determine who are the committers on 
Apache OpenOffice.  In all of these cases, the Apache ID is easy to determine 
even if it is not listed.

I fail to understand why anonymity is important for any of these list 
administration roles, even for private@ and security@.  From my perspective, 
visibility comes with taking on those duties, especially since there is unusual 
karma involved.  And having it recorded in a public page that is kept current 
goes with the importance of having the information current and readily 
available.

I definitely agree this is a conversation for dev@.

 - Dennis

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Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 07:39
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: PMC FAQ update

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If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the
people.

My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok
because it would be their own choice.

rgds
jan i

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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Dave Barton  wrote:

> jan i wrote:
> > On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps >
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  > wrote:
> >>>
> 
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk  >
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
> >>>
> >>> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> >>> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> >>> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
> moderator
> >>> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> >>> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
> of
> >> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
> >> please?
> >>
> >
> > Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
> >
> > Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
> > published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
> >
> > Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
> > individual names.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan i.
>
> With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
> internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
> https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html

yeah but that does not tell which mailing lists we listen in on and a lot
of other things we do, it does e,g. not tell that I am AOO Chair.


>
> Our "Mailing List" page states:
>  Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human moderators.
>
> Without referring to "private" information you or the PMC may hold tell
> me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
> list?
>
> Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?

no way, but this is simply an information that has no relevance in my
opinion.

If people want to tell the world what they do in such detail, they should
publish it, we should not publish peoples names without the consent of the
people.

My concern is not so much having the list of names, but more that it is
forced to participate. If people added themself to the list it would be ok
because it would be their own choice.

rgds
jan i

>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> S.
> >>
> >> [1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [BUG] printing issue with correct paper size (margins)

2015-03-05 Thread Mathias Röllig

First, ask to the support forum or users mailing list.
If other users can confirm this problem, bug report will be welcome.


My first reported printing issue was for more than 20 years for 
StarWriter 1.0 for Windows. There was a problem with the driver for a 
Canon BubbleJet. It was solved by the developers at StarDivision. At 
this time there was no IssueZilla.


Meanwhile IssueZilla is full of printing issues. Yes, I can add a new 
one. But this makes sense only if there are any developer interested in.


That's the reason why I asked here


Is there a chance to solve this issue?


and I hope any developer will read it and give it a chance.


Regards, Mathias

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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

> On 05-03-2015, at 06:49, Simon Phipps  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i  wrote:
> 
>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  wrote:
 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk 
 wrote:
>> 
>>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
 
 I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
 moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
 where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
>> moderator
 names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
 https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
>> of
>>> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
>>> please?
>>> 
>> 
>> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
>> 
>> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
>> published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
>> 
> 
> Obviously I wasn't party to the private discussion, but that seems an odd
> decision in a community that's so transparent in its intent an
> implementation. I suggest the lists of moderators be made available
> somewhere because:
> 
>   - The identities of the list moderators seem very hard to determine by
>   any other means
>   - This mode of contribution gets little enough recognition as it is, and
>   the people contributing this way should be recognised.
> 
> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
>> individual names.
>> 
> 
> There is a private@ list but we still publish the names of the PMC
> members...
> 
> S.

I agree with Simon.

-louis




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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM, jan i  wrote:

> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
> > >
> > > I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> > > moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> > > where that information can be found? If not, should we add the
> moderator
> > > names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> > > https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
> >
> >
> > I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion
> of
> > the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
> > please?
> >
>
> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
>
> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
> published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
>

Obviously I wasn't party to the private discussion, but that seems an odd
decision in a community that's so transparent in its intent an
implementation. I suggest the lists of moderators be made available
somewhere because:

   - The identities of the list moderators seem very hard to determine by
   any other means
   - This mode of contribution gets little enough recognition as it is, and
   the people contributing this way should be recognised.

Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
> individual names.
>

There is a private@ list but we still publish the names of the PMC
members...

S.


Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
jan i wrote:
> On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  wrote:
>>>

> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk 
>>> wrote:
>
>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
>>>
>>> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
>>> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
>>> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
>>> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
>>
>>
>> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion of
>> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
>> please?
>>
> 
> Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@
> 
> Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
> published where it is not really needed or beneficial.
> 
> Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
> individual names.
> 
> rgds
> jan i.

With the exception of a couple of pseudonyms (real names known
internally), every Apache committer's name is published:
https://people.apache.org/committer-index.html

Our "Mailing List" page states:
 Each mailing list at OpenOffice has at least two human moderators.

Without referring to "private" information you or the PMC may hold tell
me (off-list if you wish) who the TWO moderators are for the API mailing
list?

Are we ashamed of who we are and what we do?

>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> S.
>>
>> [1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist
>>
> 


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Re: [BUG] printing issue with correct paper size (margins)

2015-03-05 Thread FR web forum
Hello too,
First, ask to the support forum or users mailing list.
If other users can confirm this problem, bug report will be welcome.

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De: "Mathias Röllig" 
À: "Development AOO" 
Envoyé: Lundi 2 Mars 2015 12:03:51
Objet: [BUG] printing issue with correct paper size (margins)

Hello!

I'm using AOO under Ubuntu (Linux64) and print onto an HP Photosmart D7260.

Printing itself is not a problem.
But the driver (HPlip) knows several settings for each page size because 
the printer supports borderless printing.

For A4 there are the paper size entries
A4 210x297mm
A4 Small Margins 210x297mm
A4 Borderless 210x297mm

If I select A4 Small Margins 210x297mm AOO ignores it and uses always A4 
210x297mm (with big margins).

If I select A4 Borderless 210x297mm in the printer settings AOO stores 
this selection but uses also A4 210x297mm for printing. :-(
I can select A4 Borderless 210x297mm in the settings of the print dialog 
and and print with this settings. But for the next print job I must 
select it again, and again, and again, ...

Is there a chance to solve this issue?

Regards, Mathias

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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread jan i
On 5 March 2015 at 11:42, Simon Phipps  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
> >
> > I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> > moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> > where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
> > names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> > https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?
>
>
> I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion of
> the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion
> please?
>

Some of that discussion happened (partly wrongly) on private@

Basically some of us (including myself) does not want to have our names
published where it is not really needed or beneficial.

Since we have and owner@ to every list, there are no need to publish the
individual names.

rgds
jan i.



>
> Thanks,
>
> S.
>
> [1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist
>


[MWiki] Account creation

2015-03-05 Thread Keith Alcock
Hi,

I don't really want access to the Wiki, but I do want someone who does
to fix the page

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Text/TextViewCursor

where it says that

com.sun.star.view.XLineCursor

has functions

boolean goDown( [in] long lines, [in] boolean bExpand)
boolean goUp( [in] long lines, [in] boolean bExpand)

I find no such functions listed at

http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/view/XLineCursor.html

and they are not included in   for
OpenOffce 4.0.1.

I was attempting to make note of the fact in the discussion part of
the page and couldn't.

Keith

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Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Dave Barton  wrote:
>
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
>
> I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
> moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
> where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
> names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
> https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?


I also note that the [commit for this change][1] refers to a discussion of
the rationale for the change - can anyone point me to the discussion please?

Thanks,

S.

[1]: http://markmail.org/thread/l4yjh7gcgk5k6ist


Re: PMC FAQ update

2015-03-05 Thread Dave Barton
Kay Schenk wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/23/2015 02:17 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>>> I just updated the PMC FAQ page on the project website.
>>>
>>> Please let us know if there are further changes to the persons listed as
>>> e-mail moderators, wiki admins, or anything else.
>>>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure there are others - I moderate users@ and marketing@ daily
>> for example.
> 
> Thanks for the response. I will add you as a moderator for users and
> marketing.

I see this page has now been updated and the names of all the list
moderators have been removed. Is there some new (unlinked) location
where that information can be found? If not, should we add the moderator
names to the individual list information on the mailing lists page:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html ?

>  Or is that page only supposed to list PMC members in those
>> roles?
>>
>> S.
> 
> I think "originally" only PMC members were in these roles, and that is
> why the wording might is a bit odd. But, things have changed in this
> regard.



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