Re: Possible Mac problem 4.1.2

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 06/11/15 18:34, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The same symptoms Juergen reports are also attributable to the absence of a 
> Java Runtime Environment (JRE) that AOO can use.  That is, one can create a 
> new empty database .odb, but cannot open it, etc.
> 
> That there are crashes without any reports of exceptions is peculiar though.  
> It looks like more details are required.  
> 
> Can the user roll back to 4.1.1 and verify whether the problem exists there 
> also?  That might narrow the situation down to something that changed in 
> 4.1.2 and/or the Mac.
> 

no it's a regression, I created a db with 4.1.1 edit the table etc. and
then tried to open the db with 4.1.2. In both Office installtions I used
Oracle Java 8 (1.8.0_40).

Juergen


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 13:01:16 +0100
Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> > I can see one possible method to reduce the number of prebuilt binaries.
> 
> This has nothing to do with this thread though. 

I'm sorry for choosing the wrong thread - I realised it was wrong just after I 
pressed the Send button.  It was an early post this morning and by brain was 
not fully in gear - sorry.

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[CWiki] Account Whitelisting

[Dolores Zurdo Consuegra]

Hello,

I'm Dolores Zurdo. I live in Austria (and I'm spanish). I would like to
collaborate with AOO, because i want to learn about software testing.

I have created a Bugzilla account, mu User name is: DoloresZurdo, and the
mail: dolores.zurdo.consue...@gmail.com

Thank you.
Dolores.

RE: [QUESTION] How Many Pre-Built Binaries are Enough?

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks for looking into this.

There is an alternative to what Rory proposes on a different thread that does 
not require active integration on the part of a download server.  For security 
and authentication reasons I don't think off-Apache download integration that 
would be acceptable.

Depending on how language packs work, and ability to have multiple language 
packs installed, etc., another approach would be to provide a main distribution 
that carries a small number of language packs for selection among as part of 
the installation process.  Additional language packs could be downloadable 
almost as extensions, and even at install time if the primary language is other 
than one of the ones carried with the primary install.

Yes, that's speculative.  I do think the quantity and variation is the problem 
almost more than the size, since it is a choke point on the building of a full 
distribution of binaries, even for release candidates and their QA.  Smaller is 
still better -- it takes bandwidth on the part of our mirror sites, not just 
storage space.

It is also necessary to take into consideration third-party construction of 
distributions and how they might take advantage of a language-selection 
mechanism or not.  It would be useful to engage such distributors in this 
conversation.

Based on what the impact is on the deployment pipeline for release candidates 
and QA, it would be valuable to streamline and simplify the deployment process, 
including preparation of candidates.

Just pondering ...

I look forward to the results of experimentation in this area.

 - Dennis

PS: I agree that reducing the space for Linux distributions is important, but 
the bandwidth impact is primarily for Windows and then Macintosh and finally 
Linux.  And the release-related distribution pipeline issue for binaries is for 
all of them.  Am I missing something?

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 23:20
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [QUESTION] How Many Pre-Built Binaries are Enough?
> 
> On 21/10/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> >4 flavors for Linux, taking 67%
> >1 flavor for MacOS, for 18%
> >1 flavor for Windows (win32 x86), for 15%. ...
> > when is it time to reduce those that represent inordinate demands to
> the needs for QA, distribution, and support?
> 
> The time is now. Not in terms of QA and support (we can cope with that),
> but in terms of packaging. A very significant bottleneck we have is the
> upload process to make binaries available: true, we are in 2015, but 40
> GBytes are still a big amount of data to move around. Uploading RC1 took
> more than four days of attempts; then things were streamlined with the
> help of Infra, but still very painful at times.
> 
> We need to reduce it to somewhere between 20 and 30 GBytes. We could be
> much more aggressive, but reducing to 20-30 GBytes would have resulted
> in several days saved when evaluating/testing the 3 RCs we made for
> OpenOffice 4.1.2.
> 
> The good thing is that, for Linux, it seems we can rearrange packages in
> a way that:
> 1) Does not require any changes to download scripts
> 2) Does not require major changes to the installation experience
> 3) Allows to reduce disk space for a full release by at least 10 GBytes
> 
> I didn't have time for completing the tests last weekend, but if this
> succeeds it will be worth evaluating. From a release management point of
> view, this is the only concern: creating binary packages for Linux-based
> systems, testing them and supporting them is covered. Disk space
> (actually, over-the-network file transfers) is the main issue.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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RE: 0 Downloads on stats

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I provided the "[REPORT] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace - AOO 4.1.1 
Downloads" in response to this question.  It is possible to customize those 
queries in terms of calendar and also by the version of the release that the 
binaries are from.

Is that good enough for the student's purposes?

Note that determining "Open Source Adoption" because the intention is to use 
open-source software and to simply have free to download-and-use software are 
not necessarily the same thing.  It's simpler when the availability of the 
source code is tied to people using it for study, QA, or some development 
purpose outside the project.

In that case, downloads of the source code and the SDK might be better 
indicators.  SVN checkouts and Git clones might be more indicative as part of 
that.

I suppose that some might think that the software being open-source is some 
assurance that its availability will be sustained, and it could be chosen for 
that reason as well, not just ideological ones.

 - Dennis

PS: We have a similar problem with regard to whether adopters of the software 
do so because it is ODF that is important or the ability to work acceptably 
with Microsoft Office document formats is the dominant factor, whether 
Microsoft Office itself is available on the same platform or not. The same can 
be said for supporting WordPerfect format.

> -Original Message-
> From: JZA [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 18:09
> To: dev 
> Subject: Re: 0 Downloads on stats
> 
> As a sidenote the stats havent been updated in 3 months, so would be
> nice
> to do this.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:06 PM, JZA  wrote:
> 
> > Giving some information to a student doing a paper on Open source
> > adoption, I notice that the stats failed recording the downloads from
> our
> > provider.
> > http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html
> >
> > On 7/17/2015 we had a 0 download that day. Wonder if this was a bug,
> and
> > wonder if we could add a note and do a revision of what could have
> happened.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF


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Re: 0 Downloads on stats

[Roberto Galoppini]

2015-11-09 3:06 GMT+01:00 JZA :

> Giving some information to a student doing a paper on Open source adoption,
> I notice that the stats failed recording the downloads from our provider.
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html


This is related to a storage fault we had. Failover environment was in play
and downloads should have been served, but we don't have any logs of that.

Roberto



>
>
> On 7/17/2015 we had a 0 download that day. Wonder if this was a bug, and
> wonder if we could add a note and do a revision of what could have
> happened.
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> 9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
>

downloading to tablet

[bpower4]

I have Office on my computer – and find it excellent for the writing of 
letters, etc.

I have just bought a 9” x gody tablet and would like to have - ‘Office’ - on it 
as well – how do I go about it ?

thanks

bruce Power – 212 long st Pialba q 4655.

Re: downloading to tablet

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:33:05 +1000
 wrote:

> I have Office on my computer – and find it excellent for the writing of 
> letters, etc.
> 
> I have just bought a 9” x gody tablet and would like to have - ‘Office’ - on 
> it as well – how do I go about it ?
> 
> thanks
> 
> bruce Power – 212 long st Pialba q 4655.

There is an unofficial port of OpenOffice to Android called AndrOpen Office in 
the Android repositories.  As far as I have tried it, it works, but we can give 
no support for it.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Reported Calc problem with large files

[Rory O'Farrell]

On en-Forum we are getting reports of memory problems with Calc when several 
large files are in use. This thread describes the problem, which seems to be 
concerned with the freeing and/or reallocation of memory in such situation.  
[url]https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9=80130[/url]
The later reports in the thread link to other similar threads and a Bugzilla 
report.

The reports are all for Windows at present, but a memory allcation/deallocation 
problem might show up on other operating systems.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package

[Rory O'Farrell]

I can see one possible method to reduce the number of prebuilt binaries.  It 
would require reconsideration of the download server and of the installer 
mechanisms for each O.S.

My suggestion is:

Build only language neutral versions for each O.S.  Modify the installers and 
the download server so that all downloads are this language neutral package 
(about 110/120 MB at a guess) and a language pack of the selected language (20 
MB?) - this packaging is the download server's responsibility.  The installer 
installs the language neutral version then silently installs the selected 
language pack.

I don't know how feasible this might be - bear in mind my knowledge of 
compilation and linking dates from the days of Z80 assembler and static linking 
at compile time!

Doing the above suggestion would dramatically reduce the required number of 
prebuilt binaries.

 
-- 
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English Dictionaries - Remove a paragraph from the description

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

Hello!

Can I remove the paragraph in the official extensions site:
*"*
*This is a locally hosted copy of the English dictionaries with fixed 
dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support 
extension. - See more at: 
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.9xwP5Me6.dpuf*
*This is a locally hosted copy of the English dictionaries with fixed 
dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support extension."*
This is a locally hosted copy of the English dictionaries with fixed 
dash handling and new ligature and phonetic suggestion support 
extension. - See more at: 
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.9xwP5Me6.dpuf


The link it points to is from 2010 and it is almost 2016 so the old text 
is useless and outdated and we should place the minimum amount of text 
possible to keep it simple to understandable to all users.


Andrea, what is your opinion?

Thanks!

Kind regards from your friend,
>Marco A.G.Pinto
  

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rory O'Farrell wrote:

I can see one possible method to reduce the number of prebuilt binaries.


This has nothing to do with this thread though. This thread is about 
what to do about the SOURCE package, which is the package used by 
DEVELOPERS who for some reason want to build their own version of 
OpenOffice from a source archive, without using our SVN or Git 
interfaces. And the thread already derailed enough without the need that 
we also take binaries into account!



I don't know how feasible this might be


Your suggestion makes sense, even though it's unrelated to this thread. 
It was considered in the past, just it's not feasible with our setup: we 
would need 100 times smaller packages, only one server for download and 
a small fraction of the download rate we have today to make it 
sustainable. Still, this same idea can be rearranged a bit to make it 
feasible in a similar way. More details in another thread, but only when 
I have numbers! It isn't useful to discuss this based on pure theory, 
since it is a very practical problem.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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