Re: Problems with Spreadsheet, A repeat but with an added note

2016-07-17 Thread J J Wilkerson 
Of course, it's not the same day everywhere. Thank you for responding so 
quickly. Problem solved.
J. Wilkerson
 

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:59 PM, Dave  wrote:
 

   Original Message 
 From: J J Wilkerson mailto:wilklaw2...@yahoo.com.INVALID
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:15:47 + (UTC)
 
  
   Hello again,
I realize that this is Sunday so I might not get a reply for some time, and 
that is fine. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated.
I've been using Open Office for Word Pad and Spreadsheets for more than a year 
and installed 4.1.2 a long time ago. Yesterday I went t open a spreadsheet that 
I have been adding to for about two months. All of a sudden I can't open any 
spreadsheet with Open Office. I reinstalled 4.1.2 but that has made no 
difference. What do I do next to open my spreadsheets?
Just wanted to add that I thought about uninstalling Open Office, but I was 
concerned that that might affect all the Word Pad documents that I have and 
frequently use.

Thanks,
J. Wilkerson
 
 In some parts of the world Sunday was yesterday :-) It's a little confusing 
when you say "using Open Office for Word Pad", because Apache OpenOffice Writer 
and Windows WordPad are similar, but unrelated programs. What happens when you 
try to open your spreadsheet? Does Calc appear to be starting to load? Do you 
see any error messages and if so what do they say? Try starting Calc from the 
system menu (eg. Windows Start button) which automatically starts a new 
spreadsheet. If that works, try using Calc's main menu "File -> Open..." option 
to open your spreadsheet. The old Windows myth about uninstalling and 
reinstalling fixing problems rarely works for Apache OpenOffice. An often 
recommended solution to these kinds of issues is to delete or (preferably) 
rename what is known as the "User Profile". For details about how to do this 
see the following tutorial in the User Forum: Reset your user 
profile:https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74=12426#p58403.
 Hope this helps. Dave -- 
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Re: Problems with Spreadsheet, A repeat but with an added note

2016-07-17 Thread Dave 
 Original Message 
From: J J Wilkerson 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:15:47 + (UTC)

>   Hello again,
> I realize that this is Sunday so I might not get a reply for some time, and 
> that is fine. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated.
> I've been using Open Office for Word Pad and Spreadsheets for more than a 
> year and installed 4.1.2 a long time ago. Yesterday I went t open a 
> spreadsheet that I have been adding to for about two months. All of a sudden 
> I can't open any spreadsheet with Open Office. I reinstalled 4.1.2 but that 
> has made no difference. What do I do next to open my spreadsheets?
> Just wanted to add that I thought about uninstalling Open Office, but I was 
> concerned that that might affect all the Word Pad documents that I have and 
> frequently use.
>
> Thanks,
> J. Wilkerson

In some parts of the world Sunday was yesterday :-)

It's a little confusing when you say "/using Open Office for Word Pad/",
because Apache OpenOffice Writer and Windows WordPad are similar, but
unrelated programs.

What happens when you try to open your spreadsheet? Does Calc appear to
be starting to load? Do you see any error messages and if so what do
they say?

Try starting Calc from the system menu (eg. Windows Start button) which
automatically starts a new spreadsheet. If that works, try using Calc's
main menu "File -> Open..." option to open your spreadsheet.

The old Windows myth about uninstalling and reinstalling fixing problems
rarely works for Apache OpenOffice. An often recommended solution to
these kinds of issues is to delete or (preferably) rename what is known
as the "/User Profile/". For details about how to do this see the
following tutorial in the User Forum: Reset your user profile:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74=12426#p58403.

Hope this helps.

Dave

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Re: Putting Windows First ( was RE: null)

2016-07-17 Thread Patricia Shanahan 

On 7/17/2016 9:38 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

Windows lacks many of the external libraries present on *nix (jpeg, zlib,
curl, etc.),  meaning we have to build them internally. They build using
GNU autotools, which need a *nix shell like Cygwin. In other words, it
isn't even only AOO that needs Cygwin, it's our dependencies as well.


I'll have to think about that aspect. It may be the case that we need
two stages to the build process, one that every Windows developer can
do, and another that is done by specialists with *nix shell experience.

Most work on AOO is not going to require changes to those libraries, so
a C++ programmer could do useful work using prepared copies of them
rather than building them from scratch.


Also we need a portable build system, which any Visual Studio based
solution isn't.


Why do we need a portable build system?

Whether the build system is portable or not makes no difference at all
to end users. It is not part of the AOO functionality. It is merely a
tool that may save costs by avoiding duplication of effort compared to
having separate build systems for different target environments.

In this case I suspect that the total cost of the portable build system
is far higher than the total cost of having separate build systems for
Windows and for the *nix derived operating systems. That total cost
includes every Windows C++ programmer who is a user of AOO, and has been
scared off contributing to AOO by the arcane and fragile build process.



Damjan

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:




On 07/13/2016 12:56 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:




-Original Message- From: Damjan Jovanovic
[mailto:dam...@apache.org]

..

By the way, AOO code and build process are very *nix-centric,
leading to Windows being such a pain to develop for, that we would
gain more by dropping Windows support, than by dropping all other
platforms ;-).

[orcmid]

Yes.  I already made the point that, from the perspective of
developers, development of Windows is very contorted and development
for Linux is a pleasure.  It was done that way for the convenience of
Linux-oriented developers.  It creates an awful on-ramp for
cultivation of new developers.

The question: How does ceasing support for Windows serve the 87% of
our current user base?  The technical act is within the power of the
PMC to determine, and release managers could force the outcome. In my
estimation, the consequences would be quite terrible.

We may be "stuck between a rock and a hard place."


Damjan


I would like to suggest a way of squeezing out from between the rock
and hard place, and getting more developers:

Separate out the Windows build process. Pick one of the common IDE's,
and create a project file that sets all environment variables for
Windows. Get as close as possible to the step-by-step build
instructions for Windows being:

Check out the source from SVN.

Open the project file in $IDE$.

Build it.

In particular, use of a UNIX-derived shell must not be required for
Windows builds.

In this vision, the core work would be done on Windows, using an IDE.
There would still be a need for a small number of Linux etc. people to
handle building for their environments, and to keep the Windows-based
developers from building in unwarranted assumptions.


Patricia --

I think this approach was actually started as a Capstone Project in
2013. You might want to have a look at the information in:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/capstone2013/


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Re: Putting Windows First ( was RE: null)

2016-07-17 Thread Damjan Jovanovic 
Windows lacks many of the external libraries present on *nix (jpeg, zlib,
curl, etc.),  meaning we have to build them internally. They build using
GNU autotools, which need a *nix shell like Cygwin. In other words, it
isn't even only AOO that needs Cygwin, it's our dependencies as well.

Also we need a portable build system, which any Visual Studio based
solution isn't.

Damjan

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
>
> On 07/13/2016 12:56 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> > On 7/13/2016 10:38 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Damjan Jovanovic
> >>> [mailto:dam...@apache.org]
> > ..
> >>> By the way, AOO code and build process are very *nix-centric,
> >>> leading to Windows being such a pain to develop for, that we would
> >>> gain more by dropping Windows support, than by dropping all other
> >>> platforms ;-).
> >> [orcmid]
> >>
> >> Yes.  I already made the point that, from the perspective of
> >> developers, development of Windows is very contorted and development
> >> for Linux is a pleasure.  It was done that way for the convenience of
> >> Linux-oriented developers.  It creates an awful on-ramp for
> >> cultivation of new developers.
> >>
> >> The question: How does ceasing support for Windows serve the 87% of
> >> our current user base?  The technical act is within the power of the
> >> PMC to determine, and release managers could force the outcome. In my
> >> estimation, the consequences would be quite terrible.
> >>
> >> We may be "stuck between a rock and a hard place."
> >>>
> >>> Damjan
> >
> > I would like to suggest a way of squeezing out from between the rock
> > and hard place, and getting more developers:
> >
> > Separate out the Windows build process. Pick one of the common IDE's,
> > and create a project file that sets all environment variables for
> > Windows. Get as close as possible to the step-by-step build
> > instructions for Windows being:
> >
> > Check out the source from SVN.
> >
> > Open the project file in $IDE$.
> >
> > Build it.
> >
> > In particular, use of a UNIX-derived shell must not be required for
> > Windows builds.
> >
> > In this vision, the core work would be done on Windows, using an IDE.
> > There would still be a need for a small number of Linux etc. people to
> > handle building for their environments, and to keep the Windows-based
> > developers from building in unwarranted assumptions.
>
> Patricia --
>
> I think this approach was actually started as a Capstone Project in
> 2013. You might want to have a look at the information in:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/capstone2013/
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
>-- Sigmund Freud
>
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Problems with Spreadsheet, A repeat but with an added note

2016-07-17 Thread J J Wilkerson 
  Hello again,
I realize that this is Sunday so I might not get a reply for some time, and 
that is fine. Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated.
I've been using Open Office for Word Pad and Spreadsheets for more than a year 
and installed 4.1.2 a long time ago. Yesterday I went t open a spreadsheet that 
I have been adding to for about two months. All of a sudden I can't open any 
spreadsheet with Open Office. I reinstalled 4.1.2 but that has made no 
difference. What do I do next to open my spreadsheets?
Just wanted to add that I thought about uninstalling Open Office, but I was 
concerned that that might affect all the Word Pad documents that I have and 
frequently use.

Thanks,
J. Wilkerson

Open Office Calc Stopped Working

2016-07-17 Thread J J Wilkerson 
 Hello,
I've been using Open Office for Word Pad and Spreadsheets for more than a year 
and installed 4.1.2 a long time ago. Yesterday I went t open a spreadsheet that 
I have been adding to for about two months. All of a sudden I can't open any 
spreadsheet with Open Office. I reinstalled 4.1.2 but that has made no 
difference. What do I do next to open my spreadsheets?
Thanks,
J. Wilkerson

Re: Reporting broken download link

2016-07-17 Thread Marcus 

Am 07/17/2016 10:20 AM, schrieb Howard:

Taken to Source forge – click download – ends with
either “download will complete in 0 seconds” (but it doesn’t)
or a “thank you for downloading “– but it hasn’t (A search for both apache and 
OpenOffice drawing no results – and there is nothing on Download folder)


I've tried to download and it works. So, at least it's not a general 
problem.


It's possible that a mirror is temporary not available or the Internet 
connection to/from this mirror is momentarily faulty. In this case you 
can try later or use manually a different mirror server. The following 
link is using the service provider from NetCologne, Germany:


http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.2/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.2_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download?use_mirror=netcologne

HTH

Marcus

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Reporting broken download link

2016-07-17 Thread Howard 


Taken to Source forge – click download – ends with 
either “download will complete in 0 seconds” (but it doesn’t) 
or a “thank you for downloading “– but it hasn’t (A search for both apache and 
OpenOffice drawing no results – and there is nothing on Download folder)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Reporting broken download link

2016-07-17 Thread Howard 
Download either “finishes” without revealing a next step – or says it will 
complete in 0 seconds

Internet is working 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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