Section 4 of overview

[R. Mark Aldrich]

Hi,

I have finished the fourth section of the orientation. Somebody should double 
check section 2, bullet 6 which talks about side-wide templates, but I believe 
should be labeled site-wide templates.

Mark Aldrich


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Working on section 4 of overview

[R. Mark Aldrich]

FYI

Mark Aldrich

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[DISCUSS] 4.1.4 Release Manager?

[Patricia Shanahan]

There are now release blocker requests for 4.1.4, so we need a release 
manager to decide on them.


I am reluctant to be release manager for 4.1.4, because I will have 
limited Internet access, and no access to my home computers, from 
December 15th to January 8th. I will be packing immediately before then, 
unpacking and recovering from jet lag when I get back.


I think Ariel charging ahead was the best way to get the 4.1.3 builds 
done ASAP. For the next release, we should distribute the building and 
uploading, which will require more RM activity during that phase.



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Re: 4.1.3 building

[Marcus]

Am 09/29/2016 09:04 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Marcus wrote:

Am 09/29/2016 03:26 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

RAT is a tool that we might even not want to use. The important thing is

sometimes I really don't know why someone is coming to such a statement.
This is one of this moments. Why shouldn't we use the RAT scan? Do you
want to search for broken license headers yourself? ;-)


No, of course! I meant: the important thing for the release is that
licenses are OK. RAT is a tool that we use for convenience, but it is
not mandatory that it passes; if RAT gives warnings that are false
positives then we are free to ignore these warnings; and the release
will still be OK, it is not invalidated by the fact that a tool gives
false positives. So it is not mandatory to fix this for 4.1.3, but it
deserves attention for 4.1.4.


so, you have referred RAT to the current release but not in general. 
That's OK. And sure, it's not mandatory for any release. I never meant 
it this way. It's just that your wording was a bit ambigous and I've asked.


Marcus


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Re: 4.1.3 building

[Andrea Pescetti]

Marcus wrote:

Am 09/29/2016 03:26 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

RAT is a tool that we might even not want to use. The important thing is

sometimes I really don't know why someone is coming to such a statement.
This is one of this moments. Why shouldn't we use the RAT scan? Do you
want to search for broken license headers yourself? ;-)


No, of course! I meant: the important thing for the release is that 
licenses are OK. RAT is a tool that we use for convenience, but it is 
not mandatory that it passes; if RAT gives warnings that are false 
positives then we are free to ignore these warnings; and the release 
will still be OK, it is not invalidated by the fact that a tool gives 
false positives. So it is not mandatory to fix this for 4.1.3, but it 
deserves attention for 4.1.4.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: 4.1.4_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127147] RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list

[Marcus]

Am 09/29/2016 08:00 PM, schrieb bugzi...@apache.org:

Marcus  has asked  for 4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 127147: RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time)
that need to be added to exclude list
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127147


@Patricia:
If granted I would take over this issue and fix it.

Marcus

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4.1.4_release_blocker requested: [Issue 127147] RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list

[bugzilla]

Marcus  has asked  for 4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 127147: RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time)
that need to be added to exclude list
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127147

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Re: 4.1.3 building

[Marcus]

Am 09/29/2016 03:26 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Marcus wrote:

Am 09/27/2016 11:13 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Possibly. But those files are generated during the build anyway, so the
fact that RAT does not know about them is irrelevant.

Sure, but the report is not green. But IMHO it should be green when we
want to look at 4.1.3 as official release.
At the end it's just an extended excludes list.


RAT is a tool that we might even not want to use. The important thing is


sometimes I really don't know why someone is coming to such a statement. 
This is one of this moments. Why shouldn't we use the RAT scan? Do you 
want to search for broken license headers yourself? ;-)


Sure for the 4.1.x branch there won't be any further changes that would 
result in license problems. But what about trunk?



license compatibility, and we are OK on that aspect. Though, I suggest
that you open an issue about this and nominate it as a 4.1.4 (not 4.1.3)
blocker.


Done. Maybe indeed a bit late for 4.1.3. I haven't seen that the exclude 
list is in "main/", now I know it. ;-)


Marcus


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4.1.4_release_blocker granted: [Issue 127147] RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time) that need to be added to exclude list

[bugzilla]

Marcus  has granted  4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 127147: RAT scan reports some files (automatically created at build time)
that need to be added to exclude list
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127147



--- Comment #1 from Marcus  ---
As we should rely on a clean and green report, I would like to see this fixed
in 4.1.4.
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Windows XP confirmation of AOO 4.1.3 r1761381

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I successfully installed the 2016-09-23 AOO 4.1.3-dev (r1761381) Win_x86_en-US 
on Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack 3 (running in a VirtualBox 
VM).

No VC++ 2008 redistributable installation occurred.

I have not checked anything else at this point.

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Windows 10 Anniversary confirmation of AOO 4.1.3 r1761381

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I successfully installed the 2016-09-23 AOO-dev (r1761381) Win_x86_en-US on 
Windows 10 Anniversary Edition (Version 1607 build 14393.187).

There was apparently no VC++ 2008 redistributables already on the system, and 
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4.1.4_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126930] Fatal Error - Index out of bounds when resizing frame in Word 97 2004 doc

[bugzilla]

Keith N. McKenna  has asked  for 4.1.4_release_blocker:
Issue 126930: Fatal Error - Index out of bounds  when resizing frame in Word 97
2004 doc
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126930



--- Comment #7 from Keith N. McKenna  ---
Requesting release blocker as this causes a crash.

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Re: Introduction

[Keith N. McKenna]

R. Mark Aldrich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Well, I have finished reading through the section titled "Introduction to 
> Contributing to Apache OpenOffice". There are a couple of things which I need 
> to point out to the webpage editor. Section 5 starts with "A useful shortcut 
> notation you will often see on the lists.", which makes sense if you read it 
> as Yoda, but I think it would make more sense to change it to "You will often 
> see useful shortcut notations on the lists."  The other problem I noticed is 
> in section 9.3., "Our Bugzilla database (sometimes called BZ) where we report 
> and track status on bugs." has Bugzilla as a link, but the destination of the 
> link is the "Intro..." page. Thanks for putting up with my nit-picking.
> 
> Mark
> 
Mark;

Thank you for reporting the problem with the link to Bugzilla. I have
edited that page and inserted the proper link.

Keith N. McKenna



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Re: Introduction

[Xen]

R. Mark Aldrich schreef op 28-09-2016 22:55:


Section 5 starts with
"A useful shortcut notation you will often see on the lists.", which
makes sense if you read it as Yoda, but I think it would make more
sense to change it to "You will often see useful shortcut notations on
the lists."


That has a different meaning.

The author is not saying that you will often see useful shortcut 
notations on the lists. The phrase references a part that has not been 
uttered, so you would have to say something like "Some useful  you 
may come across on the lists are "dev" and "..." as abbreviations of 
mailing lists" -- because the existing statement consists of parts, and 
so if you want to put it "back together" you must unite those parts.


In general you cannot rewrite individual statements, you must rewrite 
the whole thing if you want the text to keep its flow and consistency 
and meaning.


It's the same as

"Something you may want to know about... Yesterday I came across 
something I want you to know, and it is that ...". It is just a way of 
conversing, or phrasing things.


or

"That thing I was thinking about. You have heard it before. It is ...".

So if you change it, you must at least rewrite the whole section. But 
ideally you would change the whole thing (in style) ;-).


Personally I would only do so if I thought a different style would be 
more readable and more comfortable or convenient as a way of relaxing.


Less staccato, and more fluid, perhaps.

Anyway, just saying ;-).

However the current style precisely expresses what it needed to express. 
Fixing stuff and then discovering that the result is worse than before 
is not a good way to spend time ;-).


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Re: Testing 4.1.3

[Jose R R]

For those of us in Debian, remove/install ApacheOO is not too painful.



On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> The release candidate binaries, if the release is approved, will be uploaded
> exactly as is to SourceForge. They need to do what a release would do.
>
> You do have the option, if building yourself, of generating an archive that
> can be run without installing.
>
>
> On 9/28/2016 1:30 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, up and running.
>>
>> BTW, I noticed that it installed over my 4.1.2.
>> I don't remember if the RCs used to install in lieu of the production
>> version in the past but it may be surprising for some users.
>> Shouldn't it be installed in parallel (with no desktop-integration)?
>> More hassle but if it's for testing purpose, we can imagine that the
>> user knows what to do.
>> Just my 2 cents, it is not meant to add delays to change that.
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
>> Le 27/09/2016 à 20:44, Keith N. McKenna a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hagar Delest wrote:

 Sorry for the stupid question but is there a link to the builds???
 Not able to find any on the web site or even in the mail...
 Or should we wait for the RC (there used to be links on the website for
 the RCs).

 Hagar


 Le 26/09/2016 à 22:51, Marcus a écrit :
>
> Am 09/25/2016 08:33 PM, schrieb Marcus:
>>
>> Am 09/25/2016 04:33 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>>
>>> I suggest that people start downloading and testing 4.1.3 as soon as
>>> there are binaries they can run. I can't start the formal vote period
>>> until we have a complete release candidate.
>>
>> thanks for the pointer, I'll wait for the Linux 64-bit and Windows
>> builds.
>
> grrr, I was to fast with my offer as I'm not available until Thursday.
> I'll test the builds then if it's still early enough.
>
> Sorry
>
> Marcus
>
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>>> Hagar;
>>>
>>> Development builds are being made available at the following location:
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/
>>> Click on your language and all currently available installers and
>>> language packs are available. ariaelch is still updating so if you do
>>> not see what you need yet it may well be coming soon. Note these are
>>> development builds only at this point, not Release Candidates.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
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