Have SVN access again. :)

2018-10-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Well in the end it was a banned IP.

And I have checked out 4.1.6 twice, because I messed my workspace up. 
However the Check in did not work for month. Maybe It is a combination 
and I always did something that did get me on the banned list.


However maybe other people cause the issue since my ISP uses the IP 
Address for multiple of their clients, and will probably force me to 
switch IP address in 40 Minutes.


Lets watch how long it takes until I can not check in.


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RE: [discussion] Release process

2018-10-07 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, 

> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2018 10:22 AM
> To: dev
> Subject: [discussion] Release process

I don't want to interfere here, but I want to say the following:

> We have said we want to make a Release once a year and ...

yes, one release per year is quite optimal from the user's point of view.

(Only if necessary, security patches could be released in between, if this is 
concretely necessary.)



greetings
Jörg


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Re: [discussion] Release process

2018-10-07 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Peter,

Am 07.10.2018 um 10:22 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
>
> I had a little off list discussion with Matthias about the goal of 4.1.6.
>
> I would like to return this discussion to the list, and start a
> discussion on our process to do releases.
>
> We have said we want to make a Release once a year and try to get in
> sync with trunk quickly by making a big jump and have a beta phase.
> And then all will be easier.
>
> This plan is stuck, and as a reaction I have initiated a 4.1.6 in
> order to avoid security patches and updates of dependencies are
> affected by our release being stuck with this big jump.
>
>
> Matthias would really like to put also more functional code and
> feature updates in. I would like to keep the 4.1.6 release as narrow
> as it is now.

No, I want bugs to be fixed. That is what a release is for!
And I know, that many people think that optical glitches don't qualify
as a bug. But it helps to make a project look more professional... ;-)

I am OK with the current amount of code fixes, but I think we should at
least *try* to fix this bug on Linux:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127805

AOO is incompatible with FreeType 2.8 at the moment.

Regards,
   Matthias

>
> I suggest we burry the plan in making a big jump to 4.2.0 in a single
> Jump. Instead we make a create a release process that does not get
> stuck by development as long as there are code changes that can be
> released.
>
> In order to honor the stay independent from development in trunk, we
> create a release branch. In the release branch we test "development
> ready" patches. If they are fine, they move into the next scheduled
> release.
>
> A release is then tailored as we are used to do today. If they are not
> okay, we revert the patch, or fix the code. Depending on severity and
> available resources.
>
> Maybe it would be a good Idea to also limit the size of a release to a
> number of patches (i.e. 10. By that we limit the Release size for
> testing.)
>
>
> We could do offer an early adopter build based, in order to provide a
> simple test access.
>
> How about we try this? We could use a trello board to test the
> approach, and if this works out we talk how to change Bugzilla to
> follow the process.
>
>
> What do you think? Any other Ideas? I am open for all. But I would
> like to get on a base where we can move.
>
> Also a benefit I see from this approach I think is that we can let new
> people build on the release branch. Which should stay more stable then
> trunk. Especially with the updates we are currently doing within the
> build environment.
>
>
> All the best
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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"New" ASF logo in 4.1.6

2018-10-07 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi all,

We now have the (not so) new ASF logo throughout the Windows
installation process in 4.1.6.
I think we should also update the graphics for macOS after almost 2
years now...

@Jim: What do you think?

Regards,

   Matthias




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Re: external_debs.lst not found on 4.1.6

2018-10-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Okay, it seems I managed to break my svn local checkout.

On 10/7/18 9:44 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Hi Peter,

Maybe you are looking for "external_deps.lst"?

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO416/main/external_deps.lst

Regards,

    Matthias


Am 07.10.2018 um 09:19 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

Hi all,

I try to move patches from trunk to 4.1.6 and found that the file
external_debs.lst is missing.

What to do with the changes? Did the file change?


all the best

Peter


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[discussion] Release process

2018-10-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hi Jim,

Hi Matthias,


I had a little off list discussion with Matthias about the goal of 4.1.6.

I would like to return this discussion to the list, and start a 
discussion on our process to do releases.


We have said we want to make a Release once a year and try to get in 
sync with trunk quickly by making a big jump and have a beta phase. And 
then all will be easier.


This plan is stuck, and as a reaction I have initiated a 4.1.6 in order 
to avoid security patches and updates of dependencies are affected by 
our release being stuck with this big jump.



Matthias would really like to put also more functional code and feature 
updates in. I would like to keep the 4.1.6 release as narrow as it is now.


I suggest we burry the plan in making a big jump to 4.2.0 in a single 
Jump. Instead we make a create a release process that does not get stuck 
by development as long as there are code changes that can be released.


In order to honor the stay independent from development in trunk, we 
create a release branch. In the release branch we test "development 
ready" patches. If they are fine, they move into the next scheduled release.


A release is then tailored as we are used to do today. If they are not 
okay, we revert the patch, or fix the code. Depending on severity and 
available resources.


Maybe it would be a good Idea to also limit the size of a release to a 
number of patches (i.e. 10. By that we limit the Release size for testing.)



We could do offer an early adopter build based, in order to provide a 
simple test access.


How about we try this? We could use a trello board to test the approach, 
and if this works out we talk how to change Bugzilla to follow the process.



What do you think? Any other Ideas? I am open for all. But I would like 
to get on a base where we can move.


Also a benefit I see from this approach I think is that we can let new 
people build on the release branch. Which should stay more stable then 
trunk. Especially with the updates we are currently doing within the 
build environment.



All the best

Peter



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Re: external_debs.lst not found on 4.1.6

2018-10-07 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Peter,

Maybe you are looking for "external_deps.lst"?

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO416/main/external_deps.lst

Regards,

   Matthias


Am 07.10.2018 um 09:19 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Hi all,
>
> I try to move patches from trunk to 4.1.6 and found that the file
> external_debs.lst is missing.
>
> What to do with the changes? Did the file change?
>
>
> all the best
>
> Peter
>
>
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external_debs.lst not found on 4.1.6

2018-10-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hi all,

I try to move patches from trunk to 4.1.6 and found that the file 
external_debs.lst is missing.


What to do with the changes? Did the file change?


all the best

Peter


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