RE: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position]
Hello Arrigo, > -Original Message- > From: Arrigo Marchiori [mailto:ard...@yahoo.it.INVALID] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:30 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of > a decimal point at a fixed position] > > Where can I find an archive of this list so I can look at it? > > The list was recently renamed, therefore the archives are > split in two. > > New list: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-volunteer/ > Old list: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-recruitment/ thank you > > > If so, I would appreciate your (possibly constructive :-) > criticism, > > > as I tried to reply to a couple of people but I do not > seem to have > > > had any success so far. > > > > My, described, personal experiences come from the time of > OOo [!], the problem was then, however, almost identical to > the situation today: > > Too many experienced people don't understand that > newcomers, who have no FOSS project experience, don't > understand the meritocratic way of working and therefore > misunderstand the liberal request 'find yourself the part of > the project you want to work on' as 'I don't feel like giving > you concrete help'. > > > > It is our mistake to pretend to deprive the newcomers of > their freedom, only if we assign them concrete work. And I > name this mistake by saying that we raise the tool (!) > "meritocracy" to the status of a religion. > > I agree that an initial bit of guidance is useful, but I am not > sure I understand your very last point. I'm afraid you don't understand my complete statement, because the first part is not specifically about guidance, but about assigning tasks. You should not misunderstand "assigning tasks" as giving orders, but as the way experienced project members give advice on which tasks they should start with. What is regularly done, however, is something different, namely telling the newcomers to choose for themselves what they want to do (in the 'tone of voice' 'they MUST choose for themselves what they want to do'). And this happens out of the schematism that some think that any steering of the interests of newcomers would already run counter to the idea of meritocracy. And this view I called "religion", you can also call it "dogmatic", in any case it harms the project. I give an example: Peter's answer ([1]) to [2] was undoubtedly friendly, but it was general and without concrete benefits for a newcomer, who actually wants one thing above all: he initial wants to do something concrete and thereby get to know the project. What did I do? I invited Fabio to the ProOO-box (www.prooo-box.org) and told him specifically where we need help and explained to him what he must consider and how he must proceed if he wants to follow our request. This means that I gave Fabio a concrete path for his first steps in the project. It doesn't mean that Fabio has to follow my suggestion, but probably he will do it voluntarily, because he is happy to know that he is doing something useful for the project. [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev-de/202103.mbox/%3C343ed415-9307-c63a-bd9d-ac80ca2689b1%40apache.org%3E [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-volunteer/202103.mbox/%3C001201d71e34%24542fcb30%24fc8f6190%24%40holdoffice.com%3E greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [CLOSED] [PASSED] Was: Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA
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Re: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position]
Hello Jörg, On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:00:05AM +0200, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > Hello, > > > -Original Message- > > From: Arrigo Marchiori [mailto:ard...@yahoo.it.INVALID] > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:13 AM > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of a > > decimal point at a fixed position] > > > Are you subscribed to the recruitment - volunteering list? > > No, I'm not. > > Where can I find an archive of this list so I can look at it? The list was recently renamed, therefore the archives are split in two. New list: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-volunteer/ Old list: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-recruitment/ > > If so, I would appreciate your (possibly constructive :-) criticism, > > as I tried to reply to a couple of people but I do not seem to have > > had any success so far. > > My, described, personal experiences come from the time of OOo [!], the > problem was then, however, almost identical to the situation today: > Too many experienced people don't understand that newcomers, who have no FOSS > project experience, don't understand the meritocratic way of working and > therefore misunderstand the liberal request 'find yourself the part of the > project you want to work on' as 'I don't feel like giving you concrete help'. > > It is our mistake to pretend to deprive the newcomers of their freedom, only > if we assign them concrete work. And I name this mistake by saying that we > raise the tool (!) "meritocracy" to the status of a religion. I agree that an initial bit of guidance is useful, but I am not sure I understand your very last point. Best regards, -- Arrigo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of a decimal point at a fixed position]
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Arrigo Marchiori [mailto:ard...@yahoo.it.INVALID] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:13 AM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: How to recruit [Was: Feature: automatic enter of a > decimal point at a fixed position] > Are you subscribed to the recruitment - volunteering list? No, I'm not. Where can I find an archive of this list so I can look at it? > If so, I would appreciate your (possibly constructive :-) criticism, > as I tried to reply to a couple of people but I do not seem to have > had any success so far. My, described, personal experiences come from the time of OOo [!], the problem was then, however, almost identical to the situation today: Too many experienced people don't understand that newcomers, who have no FOSS project experience, don't understand the meritocratic way of working and therefore misunderstand the liberal request 'find yourself the part of the project you want to work on' as 'I don't feel like giving you concrete help'. It is our mistake to pretend to deprive the newcomers of their freedom, only if we assign them concrete work. And I name this mistake by saying that we raise the tool (!) "meritocracy" to the status of a religion. greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org