Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice in the news
Am 27.09.23 um 17:14 schrieb Brian Proffitt: Since the marketing list was closes earlier this year, I'll toss this here. As I am sure some of you are no doubt aware, there was yet-another call for the ASF to drop your project that made a brief blip in the media cycle earlier this week: https://rocket9labs.com/post/its-time-to-let-go-apache-software-foundation/ You find a lot of people who have strong believes in this direction. But at the same time they lack a lot of individual knowledge. Variations of this argument has been repeatedly made over the course of OpenOffice's tenure within the ASF, and while M&P has no plans to respond to this article or any others along these lines, I would be remiss if I didn't recommend to the PMC that some sort of response from the project itself (either through a statement, future roadmap, a new release, etc.) would be a good idea. What do you suggest? We do not have a clear way forward. I have put together a Whishlist [1], which is the closest thing I am aware of to a roadmap. The fact of the matter is that because of its download popularity, the status of OpenOffice has a very strong perceptual effect on the rest of the ASF. So, if OpenOffice is perceived as a "dead" project, that potentially propagates the myth that ASF is a place where projects go to die. Imho you fight windmills. The OpenLetter is the starting point, of this chapter. Usually all rants start there. Whoever tackles this needs to be a envoy and a diplomat. The gambit is the TDF. Only if the TDF publicly support the ASF and AOO, the situation will improve. This does not mean that we merge. However I would like to see a merge for multiple reasons. Again, this is just a recommendation. As long as OpenOffice abides by the governance of the ASF, you are free to make your own choices. Let me know if you need assistance in addressing this issue, happy to volunteer some time to it. I do not believe that the PMC can do anything. What would give us leverage is if we can get the code under control (release 4.2 , new build environment). We need to do improvements in the code, and align together that we focus on the right tasks. But if you have suggestions what we can communicate I am willing to hear. I mean I owe you all a report from Froscon. I am so sorry I did not find the time and muse yet to finish my report. I wanted to start also some clothes discussion for next year. One thing is, i am currently the only one who can post on facebook. since i currently dont use it, there is no one. but I lack authority to bring volunteers in. someone needs to talk to FB. I dont know what to do here. All the best Peter [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wishlist Peace, BKP Brian Proffitt VP, Marketing & Publicity - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice in the news
Sorry to top post. I think a response to this type of naive and repetitive discussion needs to be careful and positive. This level of complaint is nothing like what happened on this same mailing list when this project started incubation. This situation is like a coal mine fire burning underground. I want to be constructive and positive. This project supports the ecosystem and does so in ways that do treat LibreOffice very fairly. We need to talk about all of the non-dev work we have done. Let’s have a message focused on that. Everything about these areas in the OpenOffice ecosystem that we have preserved includes: 1. Forums. We support LibreOffice there. Some of the admins have switched over. 2. MediaWiki where we have preserved content. 3. Translation were support 42 languages including dictionaries. 4. Extensions and templates are preserved, but the PMC aught to review how SourceForge is doing. 5. Microsoft Store. It was an effort to get this in place. 6. Trademark protection. For example blocking Amazon sellers who charge people to download OpenOffice. Once upon a time you bought a CD or DVD and it was fair to charge a small amount, but no longer. 7. We will never ask you to register for OpenOffice. We absolutely do not care and respect your privacy. Yet we do need to recruit people who can help with: 1. Building the application for a particular platform. 2. Developers who want to understand C++ some of which was written over 30 years ago. 3. If you can do 1 and 2 then we are likely to invite you to help the security team. 4. If you some how have the need or desire to improve the OpenOffice/LibreOffice ecosystem then contributing to OpenOffice first may be best for all. 5. And other ecosystem topics as outlined above. We should all keep in mind that the ASF is a certain kind of nonprofit registered in the US and we have certain legal obligations regarding the assets donated to and accepted by the Foundation. To transfer or license certain assets will require careful discussion to know if such is even feasible. Adding heat to any such discussion will shut it down immediately. This is my opinion and it’s certainly aspirational. Best, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote: > > >> Am 27.09.23 um 17:14 schrieb Brian Proffitt: >> Since the marketing list was closes earlier this year, I'll toss this here. >> >> As I am sure some of you are no doubt aware, there was yet-another >> call for the ASF to drop your project that made a brief blip in the >> media cycle earlier this week: >> https://rocket9labs.com/post/its-time-to-let-go-apache-software-foundation/ > You find a lot of people who have strong believes in this direction. But at > the same time they lack a lot of individual knowledge. >> >> Variations of this argument has been repeatedly made over the course >> of OpenOffice's tenure within the ASF, and while M&P has no plans to >> respond to this article or any others along these lines, I would be >> remiss if I didn't recommend to the PMC that some sort of response >> from the project itself (either through a statement, future roadmap, a >> new release, etc.) would be a good idea. > What do you suggest? We do not have a clear way forward. I have put together > a Whishlist [1], which is the closest thing I am aware of to a roadmap. >> >> The fact of the matter is that because of its download popularity, the >> status of OpenOffice has a very strong perceptual effect on the rest >> of the ASF. So, if OpenOffice is perceived as a "dead" project, that >> potentially propagates the myth that ASF is a place where projects go >> to die. > > Imho you fight windmills. The OpenLetter is the starting point, of this > chapter. > > Usually all rants start there. Whoever tackles this needs to be a envoy and a > diplomat. The gambit is the TDF. Only if the TDF publicly support the ASF and > AOO, the situation will improve. > > This does not mean that we merge. However I would like to see a merge for > multiple reasons. > >> Again, this is just a recommendation. As long as OpenOffice abides by >> the governance of the ASF, you are free to make your own choices. Let >> me know if you need assistance in addressing this issue, happy to >> volunteer some time to it. > > I do not believe that the PMC can do anything. What would give us leverage is > if we can get the code under control (release 4.2 , new build environment). > > We need to do improvements in the code, and align together that we focus on > the right tasks. > > But if you have suggestions what we can communicate I am willing to hear. I > mean I owe you all a report from Froscon. I am so sorry I did not find the > time and muse yet to finish my report. > > I wanted to start also some clothes discussion for next year. > > One thing is, i am currently the only one who can post on facebook. since i > currently dont use it, there is no one. but I lack authority to bring
