Re: Fwd: kalloucha sent you a contact request on Pinterest
At 18:40 21/04/2019 +0200, Peter Kovacs wrote: Does anyone know what printerest is? It's "Pinterest". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinterest . Note also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinterest#Use_by_scammers . I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows Installer translation
At 14:01 23/02/2020 +0100, Peter Kovacs wrote: We are discussing from time to time, that it might be worth to remove the packaging to the exe completely. To my knowledge in the past we did create an exe because you could not doubleclick msi files. But Microsoft had fixed this for quite some time and there is no real reason to keep the exe packaging. So any objections? I'm no expert, but my understanding is that the .msi file is a database, required just as much during removal of any product as during installation. My impression is that products such as Microsoft Office quietly salt away a copy of the .msi file (or as much as is needed) and Windows uses this when the product is removed. Failing that, Windows remembers where the .msi file was during installation and seeks it out, asking for it if necessary. And all this applies when removal is effected by installing a later version, doesn't it? Now the user may have thought (or even been told) that, once the product is installed, the downloaded files are no longer needed and may have deleted them. This used to result in a steady stream of requests to the Users list, asking how the new version can be installed when the process stalls at this point. Indeed, as recently as ten days ago, a user trying to install a current version reported to the Users list "Every time I try I get a message to insert the Open Office.org 3.2 disk". He must have installed the older version from a CD - which he may well no longer have. Will distributing .msi files result in the same problem to occur again? Or is OpenOffice now prepared similarly to salt away the necessary parts of the installation database? If not, what was (and is) the cause of the problem, please? Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: macOS and AOO42X
At 11:19 17/05/2020 +0100, Pedro Lino wrote: Some corrections/suggestions The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for its leading open source office suite. [...]; it's not its Aaargh, no! The possessive pronoun is "its", not "it's". Stet. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: macOS and AOO42X
At 16:55 17/05/2020 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote: The Apache® OpenOffice® Projekt is on the road to a bigger update for its leading open source office suite. The changes look good except that its should be either it is or it's it would probably be better to use it is rather than the contraction it's. *No!* Once again, in "for its leading open source office suite" the "its" is a possessive pronoun, spelled without an apostrophe (cf. his, not *hi's!), and does not stand for "it is". Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote: Due file is available at the following link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing COMMENT ... there should be a way to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years" Sorry, but as has already been pointed out, "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since" requires a point in time, not a period of time. So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20 years". Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he quotes against himself the one mistake he recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...". Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
At 19:17 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote: Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...): Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point in time code-named "20 years" True or False? True. But I cannot imagine any point in time being named "20 years" - unless what is meant is "the year 20", i.e. 20 CE. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Hash values of downloaded files
I've been hearing from a intending user of OpenOffice who was repeatedly finding the hashes on his downloads did not match. He (I think he was a "he") had repeatedly downloaded form different mirrors but could not get a match. He even, he says, tried other versions and other operating systems. Clearly there was something wrong at his end. Can you guess yet? He solved the problem by himself. Instead of comparing the hash derived from the downloaded file with the *content* of the corresponding hash file, he had been seeking a match with the hash derived from that hash file. Now you and I might find that an unlikely course of action, but how is someone taking it to realise his mistake? I've been looking at http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html . It gives instructions such as "If both hash values do not match" and "When both hash values match", though it does also say "Paste the hash from the SHA256 / MD5 file you have downloaded. First you have to open it and copy the hash value" and "Now compare the hash generated by OpenSSL with the value in the file". For the benefit of naive users - who may well not have been encouraged to use such techniques before - are there enough clues on this web page to assist anyone making this error? Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Hash values of downloaded files
At 22:44 24/11/2016 +0100, Marcus Noname wrote: Am 11/24/2016 10:25 PM, schrieb Brian Barker: I've been hearing from a intending user of OpenOffice who was repeatedly finding the hashes on his downloads did not match. He (I think he was a "he") had repeatedly downloaded form different mirrors but could not get a match. He even, he says, tried other versions and other operating systems. Clearly there was something wrong at his end. Can you guess yet? as you don't write from where he has done the downloads, this could be a source of error. Thanks for this. That was the first thing I checked, of course - and yes, he was using the official site. 1. Download OpenOffice from here [1]. Er, where? No footnote! But that's not the problem ... 2. Download the hash file from the same webpage ... Now you are teaching me how to do this, so let's be clear. You know what to do. I know what to do. Even the naive user now knows what to do. Originally he made a mistake, but he eventually realised what he had done. I understand the mistake and why he made it. You don't (yet) understand what he did or why the web site instructions are perhaps not clear enough to prevent this mistake by users. I'm hoping I can get you (or whoever) to understand this and perhaps improve the web site. Sorry, I don't understand what he has done. Comparing the file with itself? No, of course not. I think that the fact that you found my description (which I've re-read and I'm sure is clear) didn't lead you immediately to an appreciation of the problem only goes to show how the necessary wording can be confusing. That's my point. Incidentally, did no-one else want understand my point? Let's look at your description instead of at the web site. At point 3, you say to "generate the hash value from the downloaded OpenOffice file". At point 4, you say to "[c]ompare it with the value of the downloaded hash file". There are two tiny words there that differ between the instructions: you mean something very different by a value *from* a file and a value *of* a file. In the first case you mean a value derived from a file by processing it through a program; in the second you mean to refer to a value stored in a file. Can you see that a user might easily miss that very important distinction? As I explained, the user quite properly derived the hash value of the installation file. He then - understandably but wrongly - performed the same process to derive the hash value *of* the hash file - instead of inspecting the value provided in that file. Not surprisingly, these values never matched, whatever version he tried or mirror source he used. You and I will think that this misunderstanding is unlikely, but that is because we already understand how hashes are used to confirm the integrity of files in this way. As I mentioned, the web site - at http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html - uses expressions such as "If both hash values do not match" and "When both hash values match", and the use of the word "match" is asking the users to seek similarity. The values to be compared are not "hash values" in the same way. It is surely not surprising that this user therefore believed hat he was being asked to do similar things with both files? In any case, whatever you and I think, that is what he did. I'm suggesting that we should believe the evidence. If there are any mistakes or room for improvements, then please tell us. I thought I had. The web page separately sets out instructions for different methods of deriving the hash value. In the couple of lines at the top, there is only one sentence explaining the purpose. There is simply no statement that the hash file already contains the *answer* that should match what is derived from the file being checked. The later use of expressions such as "both hash values do not match" and "both hash values match" gives a strong impression that we are comparing like with like. There are two hash values, we are being told, which should match. It's not surprising that a user expects to derive two hash values in the same way. It would be better not to call both values "hash values" but to distinguish between the hash value (derived form the file being checked) with the "comparison value" or "check value" or "correct result" or whatever contained in (and not derived from) the hash value file. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fwd: no access
At 19:20 20/12/2016 +0100, Marcus Noname wrote: Am 12/20/2016 04:55 AM, schrieb Martin Groenescheij: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 20:52:15 + (UTC) From: corby white Hello, I was on the Template page trying to download a template. "Access Denied" was the message, however there is no "Login" required for downloads, is there something I need to do to access these templates? Can someone of the developers correct this problem? The issue is that the template gives the message "Access denied" instead of "Page not Found" I've no problem to download templates. Please try again. Maybe it was a temporary problem that is now solved. Sorry, but there clearly is a problem. For example, on http://templates.openoffice.org/ there is a template "CD Jewel Case Front Insert Template - ClearEyesMedia.com". The link is to http://templates.openoffice.org/en/template/cd-jewel-case-front-insert-template-2 , which delivers "Access denied / You are not authorized to access this page." Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Error on your web site
At 13:58 29/03/2017 -0500, D L Tolleson wrote: I would point out, however, that something can be "improved" or it can be "new," but marketing gurus not withstanding, it cannot be "new" AND "improved." I think it can, providing that you see this as a hendiadys. If I say it's nice and warm today, I appear to be saying that it is both nice and warm, but that's not so. You can see this since it is not the same thing as saying that it is warm and nice. Instead the expression means that it is nicely warm - warm to a nice extent. The logical expression, "nicely warm", has two words in different parts of speech creating a single idea: the adverb "nicely" modifying the adjective "warm" to create the single idea of "nicely warm". But the figure of speech hendiadys (= one through two) allows us to parade the two words as if they were parallel adjectives making two ideas but actually to mean the single idea. If I work for the queen (I don't), I may get a "tied cottage", living accommodation that comes with the post (not necessarily anything you would call a cottage). This is provided by favour of the queen, and the respectful word you have to use when referring to the queen's favour is not "royal" (as you might imagine) but "gracious". So you'd expect this to be called a "*gracious favour residence", but it isn't: the proper term is "grace and favour residence". Again, a hendiadys of two nouns representing what should strictly be an adjective qualifying a noun. "New and improved" is surely a hendiadys for "newly improved" - which is very probably what is meant. I would also suggest that if one improves existing documentation, the act of writing it is sufficiently implied to forego having to use the word "write." (Er, you mean "forgo", of course; "forego" means to precede.) Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Office Writer Quote
At 17:55 30/05/2017 +0100, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2017 14:46:40 +, Cecil Soman wrote: I was speaking about Office writer which uses in SQL Server Reporting Services. If you mean the word processing component of MS Office, this is more properly called Word; your query has been addressed to the OpenOffice mailing lists; in OpenOffice the word processing component is Writer and this downloads as an integral part of the entire OpenOffice suite, which is freely available without license or fee from www.openoffice.org/download I suspect the enquirer is meaning SoftArtisans' OfficeWriter, which appears to work with Microsoft Office (and presumably has nothing to do with OpenOffice Writer). See http://www.officewriter.com/officewriter-for-sql-server-reporting-services.aspx . Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Windows 10 won't install Open Office
At 12:02 05/07/2017 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: We put the binaries on the SourceForge mirrors, but the hashes should be served from a common location. Is that https://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html ? But it's not easy to find ... Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Participation Research at Utrecht University
At 13:35 31/01/2018 +0100, Peter Kovacs wrote: Am 30. Januar 2018 13:27:09 MEZ schrieb Zeena Spijkerman : The topic of this research is business models of open source software (OSS) companies, ... I have formulated some questions which I would like to ask someone who has a clear idea of the business model of Xoops. Anyone has an idea what Xoops is? I am unsure what she is referring to. Clearly an error. For Xoops, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOOPS . The enquirer is clearly approaching a number of open source software suppliers, including both OpenOffice and Xoops. Her message to the Users list correctly referred to "Open Office", but when she was referred to the Development list, she must have sent the wrong version of her message. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Possible broken link: Checksums
At 10:48 03/02/2018 +0100, Kjell Andersson wrote: I found this challenge, MD5 sums don't match. Enquiries such as this are probably best sent to the Users list, not the Development one, in the first instance. The first step is to have your difficulty confirmed. Source file openssl dgst -md5 Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_MacOS_x86-64_install_sv.dmg MD5(Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_MacOS_x86-64_install_sv.dmg)= d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e MD5 check-sum file 6de73527d6f426f41b142a915e8afaba *Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_MacOS_x86-64_install_sv.dmg I've just tested this, downloading both dmg and md5 files from www.openoffice.org/download/ . The MD5 checksum of the dmg file, derived using Microsoft's File Checksum Integrity Verifier (version 2.05), matches the 6de... value you correctly quote from the md5 file. So either your download of the dmg file has indeed been corrupted - perhaps cut short? - or else your extraction of its MD5 hash was faulty. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up since those days. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Installation
At 12:19 08/07/2022 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Brian Barker wrote: At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote: Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG: "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory. 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems. Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up since those days. Brian Barker Today it is called the Command Prompt ... Er, I know that. ... and I do use it regularly to do an administrative install of AOO to do QA on changes to verify a bur, or bugs were solved. Yes: *you* do - and Linux users apparently need to. But the average Windows user does everything they need without resorting to command prompts and typing commands. The original question was about (average?) Windows users not knowing what "cd" meant or how to use it. What happens in DOS is hardly relevant. Here's a couple of thoughts: When you have composed a new e-mail message on your mobile phone, (1) how do you bring up a command prompt, and (2) what command do you then type in order to send the message? When using the self check-out at the supermarket, how do you bring up a command prompt - and indeed a Qwerty keyboard - in order to type "415g Heinz Beanz Baked Beans"? Windows is as grown-up as these other modern devices. The audience for the installation instructions being discussed is likely to be people who simply don't need to type commands in their lives. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REQUEST] Directory name for the user data in Windows versions
At 19:31 28/07/2022 +0200, Marcus Noname wrote: does someone has a documentation source where to find the user directories listed for all Windows versions - let's say since Windows XP? I was going to suggest earlier (when you were discussing telling users how to find their profiles) that, if you are using this to talk to users, then the environment variable %APPDATA% is (I think) all you need. This has the advantage of avoiding two problems: part of the path to this is through a folder hidden by default, and some users may not be aware of their own Windows user name. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [REQUEST] Directory name for the user data in Windows versions
At 13:51 30/07/2022 +0200, Peter Kovacs wrote: Portfolio is at %APPDATA%\ROAMING\OpenOffice\4 Actually, no - as the Roaming folder is included in the expansion of the environment variable %APPDATA% in versions of Windows that have it. So you mustn't include "Roaming" here. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
