RE: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
So everyone hates Microsoft Office, but they use it anyhow. How about something a bit more evidence based? There are now many users who have never seen a version of Office without the ribbon. The availability of training and of lots of information on the Internet matters. It is true that Microsoft has a network effect working for it. That's a reality that is unlikely to disappear any time soon and it has to figure into whatever AOO wants to achieve in those areas that are important for take-up, especially in civil administration and other institutional areas apart from "enterprise" applications. For me, that means interoperability at the format interchange level is crucial. UI familiarity is a factor, but UI preferences are meaningless if the documents don't work and workers don't have the resources to have the documents work. And by now, the ribbon is established as part of the ready-to-hand familiarity that workers have in operating with Microsoft Office. I don't see any meaningful way for AOO to overtake that in terms of worker mind share. People didn't rush to the store to by Microsoft Word 6.0 because of the UI layout either. And I don't think anyone is rushing to use even a free Word 6.0 (or Word 2000) work-alike because of the UI either. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Fernando Cassia [mailto:fcas...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 09:24 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that > "(almost) everyone" is inaccurate IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People "Buy MS Office" because: 1. they have tons of documents written in Microsoft's file formats, 2. because only Microsoft Office guarantees file read/write compatibility with MS Office documents 3. because they were trained in MS Office and 90% of the tutorials you find on the web are about "how to do [x]" in MS Office, not LO, and not AOO 4. Because "it's the standard" and the business/organization has been buying "MS Office" since the beginning of (IT) times... So, basically, it's all about leverage and vendor lock-in. I haven't met a single MS Office user who rushed to the store to buy MS Office licenses because of the lovely Ribbon UI... Of course, my $0.02... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that > "(almost) everyone" is inaccurate IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People "Buy MS Office" because: 1. they have tons of documents written in Microsoft's file formats, 2. because only Microsoft Office guarantees file read/write compatibility with MS Office documents 3. because they were trained in MS Office and 90% of the tutorials you find on the web are about "how to do [x]" in MS Office, not LO, and not AOO 4. Because "it's the standard" and the business/organization has been buying "MS Office" since the beginning of (IT) times... So, basically, it's all about leverage and vendor lock-in. I haven't met a single MS Office user who rushed to the store to buy MS Office licenses because of the lovely Ribbon UI... Of course, my $0.02... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
[OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that "(almost) everyone" is inaccurate. It may be that those who don't like anything about Office since 2003 or 2007 switch to an OpenOffice version, or the switch is for other reasons entirely (such as expense). As usual when changes like this occur, just as for Windows 10 versus Windows 8, there is tuning and tweaking but the main idea survives. I find that I have adjusted just fine to "the ribbon" in all its form on current Windows systems. I have found the Windows 8.1 Start Page (and my ability to manage and organize what is on it) so appealing that I set Windows 10 to use it instead of the W10 Start Button, really not a return to the Windows 7 one (although I am certain Microsoft is not done perfecting the new Start Button). So I happily train myself to the OpenOffice GUI and the Microsoft Office GUI and have no problem with either of them. There are hard-to-find items either way and everyone's Help system is frustrating [;<). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Fernando Cassia [mailto:fcas...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 08:30 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I resonate with these remarks (two extracts below). I particularly want > to acknowledge all of the work that Kay Schenk and several others have put > into making AOO more approachable by new developers. Ideed, "Innovation" for change's sake leads to Microsoft's "Ribbon" UI that (almost) everyone hated. In other words, when it comes to GUI design, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". just my $0.02 FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
