Re: Dropping even 10.6 -- WHY?
Hi Doug, On 30.06.2014 16:34, Douglas Mencken wrote: I'm here to ask you: why you decided to drop 10.6 support? Rob already pointed out the discussion thread where this lead to the decision to support only newer versions of MacOSX. Is it not so hard to keep it running, isn't it? This depends on human resources available for the MacOSX platform. By the way, I'm LO guy, so see my patches, for example: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=47b520024a236eac8807a33630f493a00fc5f243 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ee38ef7afcec27f46530bf9e177939e38cc815 Would it be possible for you to check your patches on the AOO code as well? If it works on AOO and you also submit a patch for AOO with the AL 2.0 license, it could be applied for AOO and if so, would then be used by LO implicitly as long as LO is based on the AOO code and refreshes its code base with the AOO code. Why is it so hard for you to support even 10.6 (no to say 10.5@powerpc)? WHY? Because in AOO land there are not enough people who have the necessary knowledge and/or infrastructure (10.6) to keep up the support for 10.6 in a reliable (tested) manner. Again, I know corporate guys are unable to read completely (unless it's claimed by boss from high) — WHY? I am not a corporate guy at all, but I have been around here for quite some time (years) by now, and cannot remember one incidence of read-unability or any boss from 'high' by corporate guys. ASF is a great place for any kind of guys and girls, corporate or private! --- Assuming that you have the skills and infrastructures to keep up MacOSX support for earlier versions (in a tested manner), would you be interested/willing to help out in this area w.r.t. AOO? Possibly the only difference for you would be to release your patches under two licenses, the AL 2.0 license (only then can ASF include code donations) and the LO license. (Please note, that LO is able to use all of AOO source code due to the AL 2.0 license. Unfortunately, the LO-license inhibits ASF to apply the LO-patches. Therefore the authors of LO patches would need to add the AL license to their patches/code in order for AOO being able to use it at all! An author can put his code under any number of licenses in parallel.) HTH, ---rony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Dropping even 10.6 -- WHY?
I'm here to ask you: why you decided to drop 10.6 support? Is it not so hard to keep it running, isn't it? By the way, I'm LO guy, so see my patches, for example: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=47b520024a236eac8807a33630f493a00fc5f243 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ee38ef7afcec27f46530bf9e177939e38cc815 Why is it so hard for you to support even 10.6 (no to say 10.5@powerpc)? WHY? Again, I know corporate guys are unable to read completely (unless it's claimed by boss from high) — WHY?
Re: Dropping even 10.6 -- WHY?
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Douglas Mencken dougmenc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm here to ask you: why you decided to drop 10.6 support? Is it not so hard to keep it running, isn't it? You can search our mailing list archives for the dev list for the discussions. For example, there is this thread from December 2013, which is interesting because it gives some of the user stats related to MacOS versions: http://markmail.org/message/qfqarbaoesonibur By the way, I'm LO guy, so see my patches, for example: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=47b520024a236eac8807a33630f493a00fc5f243 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ee38ef7afcec27f46530bf9e177939e38cc815 Why is it so hard for you to support even 10.6 (no to say 10.5@powerpc)? WHY? As you probably know, every unique platform we support increases the effort required to build, maintain and test, if we want to preserve the expected quality level for users. Looking at the current and historical numbers we saw a sharp decline in the number of MacOS 10.6 users. Since we were working on a major release of AOO it made sense to make the break then. Remember, it is never a question of IF we drop support for old platforms, but of WHEN we drop support for older platforms. That said, there are users on older platforms, including PowerPC. That's fine. If there is sufficient interest this might be a good business for a 3rd party. We see this already with 3rd party ports for Apache OpenOffice for Solaris and OS/2. The Apache License allows 3rd parties to do this. There is nothing that requires that all porting work be filtered through or approved by us. The code is there for anyone to use. Regards, -Rob Again, I know corporate guys are unable to read completely (unless it's claimed by boss from high) — WHY? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
