Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that
 (almost) everyone is inaccurate


IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People Buy
MS Office because:

1. they have tons of documents written in Microsoft's file formats,
2. because only Microsoft Office guarantees file read/write compatibility
with MS Office documents
3. because they were trained in MS Office and 90% of the tutorials you find
on the web are about how to do [x] in MS Office, not LO, and not AOO
4. Because it's the standard and the business/organization has been
buying MS Office since the beginning of (IT) times...

So, basically, it's all about leverage and vendor lock-in.
I haven't met a single MS Office user who rushed to the store to buy MS
Office licenses because of the lovely Ribbon UI...

Of course, my $0.02...
FC


-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


RE: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

2015-01-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
So everyone hates Microsoft Office, but they use it anyhow.

How about something a bit more evidence based?

There are now many users who have never seen a version of Office without the 
ribbon.

The availability of training and of lots of information on the Internet matters.

It is true that Microsoft has a network effect working for it.  That's a 
reality that is unlikely to disappear any time soon and it has to figure into 
whatever AOO wants to achieve in those areas that are important for take-up, 
especially in civil administration and other institutional areas apart from 
enterprise applications.

For me, that means interoperability at the format interchange level is crucial. 
 UI familiarity is a factor, but UI preferences are meaningless if the 
documents don't work and workers don't have the resources to have the documents 
work.  And by now, the ribbon is established as part of the ready-to-hand 
familiarity that workers have in operating with Microsoft Office.  I don't see 
any meaningful way for AOO to overtake that in terms of worker mind share.

People didn't rush to the store to by Microsoft Word 6.0 because of the UI 
layout either.  And I don't think anyone is rushing to use even a free Word 6.0 
(or Word 2000) work-alike because of the UI either.

 - Dennis


-Original Message-
From: Fernando Cassia [mailto:fcas...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 09:24
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that
 (almost) everyone is inaccurate


IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People Buy
MS Office because:

1. they have tons of documents written in Microsoft's file formats,
2. because only Microsoft Office guarantees file read/write compatibility
with MS Office documents
3. because they were trained in MS Office and 90% of the tutorials you find
on the web are about how to do [x] in MS Office, not LO, and not AOO
4. Because it's the standard and the business/organization has been
buying MS Office since the beginning of (IT) times...

So, basically, it's all about leverage and vendor lock-in.
I haven't met a single MS Office user who rushed to the store to buy MS
Office licenses because of the lovely Ribbon UI...

Of course, my $0.02...
FC


-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


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