Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
On 03/13/2014 01:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/13/2014 01:08 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - see issues 124343 and 124400. I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Well this one particular stylesheet is a holdover from the "old" days, so it's rather needlessly complex. We have the "ooo.css" and on some pages also the "styles.css". And then somethimes the "exceptions.css" to make exceptions to the general styling. Yes, pretty complex. ;-) and don't forget home.css for styling on the home page only! :) I'm not guru enough to explain roughly the details how it works. I need to dig in deeper. ...and it looks like I erred in my reference since the in the installation instructions stands alone and not in a "subsection". At any rate, at one time it was italicized -- now it's not, and I don't see any changes to this stylesheet file in a long time, so it's a puzzle to me. I am also working on some html changes currently (cleanup of a pdf to html for publication) , so I will have a look as well over the next few days. For me it's OK if you want to take over to improve the styling. Marcus I will help. But I may not be able to get to much until early next week. We should probably not edit /css/ooo.css. I will likely make changes to our "main" stylsheet -- styles.css. We do need help with heading differentiation and this should be pretty simple. Issue 124343: This is about the visibility of the headings. My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding CSS [1]. Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully. Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? Should we make all heading italic or larger? Again no. ;-) I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about the formatting. What do you think? Issue 124400: I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback once the changes are on the staging server. OK Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/ css/ooo.css Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK "Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time, for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect." -- James Mason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
Am 03/13/2014 09:36 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, On 12.03.2014 21:15, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - see issues 124343 and 124400. I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Issue 124343: This is about the visibility of the headings. My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding CSS [1]. Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully. Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? Should we make all heading italic or larger? Again no. ;-) Such a feedback does not help as you only say no, no, no, ... without any alternative suggestion :-) I'm sorry when you expected some code or else. But without looking closer into the CSS styling I wouldn't do anything. I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about the formatting. BTW: This was my suggestion. Maybe you have overlooked it. ;-) What do you think? Hm. We have issue 124343 for the formatting and issue 124400 for the content. Changing the words of a heading will not improve its visibility. Thus, I think that these issues can be treated separately. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124400 Website: Installation guides: Headings do not look like headings https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124343 Website: Bugzilla documentation: Headings do not look like headings For me it's the same - just 2 different websites. I've adjusted the issue summaries. Marcus Issue 124400: I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback once the changes are on the staging server. OK Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
Am 03/13/2014 01:08 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - see issues 124343 and 124400. I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Well this one particular stylesheet is a holdover from the "old" days, so it's rather needlessly complex. We have the "ooo.css" and on some pages also the "styles.css". And then somethimes the "exceptions.css" to make exceptions to the general styling. Yes, pretty complex. ;-) I'm not guru enough to explain roughly the details how it works. I need to dig in deeper. ...and it looks like I erred in my reference since the in the installation instructions stands alone and not in a "subsection". At any rate, at one time it was italicized -- now it's not, and I don't see any changes to this stylesheet file in a long time, so it's a puzzle to me. I am also working on some html changes currently (cleanup of a pdf to html for publication) , so I will have a look as well over the next few days. For me it's OK if you want to take over to improve the styling. Marcus Issue 124343: This is about the visibility of the headings. My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding CSS [1]. Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully. Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? Should we make all heading italic or larger? Again no. ;-) I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about the formatting. What do you think? Issue 124400: I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback once the changes are on the staging server. OK Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/ css/ooo.css Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
Hi,
On 12.03.2014 17:35, Kay Schenk wrote:
On 03/12/2014 04:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
Hi,
Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer
Issue 124343:
This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].
Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.
Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website
bold?
Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
Should we make all heading italic or larger?
Issue 124400:
I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.
Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.
[1]
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css
Best regards, Oliver.
Rainer has a point. I remember at one time that "h3" (probably the main
concern here) used to display as described in styles.css
h3.subSection{font-style:italic;text-transform:uppercase;font-size:1.3em;font-weight:bold;}
I'm not sure what's changed to produce what's happening now.
"css/ooo.css" is the default supplied by Apache CMS but our local style
sheets, also brought in, should override this. (And, yes, they are a bit
of a mess!)
Well I can help with this but I'm not what the processing order is now.
Thanks for the offer to help here.
I used Firefox's build-in Inspector and Style Editor (Menu Tools - Web
Developer - Inspector|Style Editor) to investigate the used styling.
Best regards, Oliver.
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Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
Hi, On 12.03.2014 21:15, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - see issues 124343 and 124400. I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Issue 124343: This is about the visibility of the headings. My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding CSS [1]. Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully. Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? Should we make all heading italic or larger? Again no. ;-) Such a feedback does not help as you only say no, no, no, ... without any alternative suggestion :-) I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about the formatting. What do you think? Hm. We have issue 124343 for the formatting and issue 124400 for the content. Changing the words of a heading will not improve its visibility. Thus, I think that these issues can be treated separately. Best regards, Oliver. Issue 124400: I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback once the changes are on the staging server. OK Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: > > Hi, >> >> Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - >> see issues 124343 and 124400. >> I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and >> feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer >> > > I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I > read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Well this one particular stylesheet is a holdover from the "old" days, so it's rather needlessly complex. ...and it looks like I erred in my reference since the in the installation instructions stands alone and not in a "subsection". At any rate, at one time it was italicized -- now it's not, and I don't see any changes to this stylesheet file in a long time, so it's a puzzle to me. I am also working on some html changes currently (cleanup of a pdf to html for publication) , so I will have a look as well over the next few days. > > > Issue 124343: >> This is about the visibility of the headings. >> My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all >> levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding >> CSS [1]. >> >> Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. >> > > This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. > This needs to be treated very carefully. > > > Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? >> > > No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. > > > Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? >> Should we make all heading italic or larger? >> > > Again no. ;-) > > I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about > the formatting. > > What do you think? > > > Issue 124400: >> I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback >> once the changes are on the staging server. >> > > OK > > > Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. >> >> >> [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/ >> css/ooo.css >> > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- - MzK "Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time, for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect." -- James Mason
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
Am 03/12/2014 12:30 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement - see issues 124343 and 124400. I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer I can support you with the webdesign. Maybe it's gets a bit hard (when I read Kay's mail ;-) ) but I would try. Issue 124343: This is about the visibility of the headings. My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding CSS [1]. Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion. This is a central CSS file. Changes here would affect nearly all webpages. This needs to be treated very carefully. Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold? No, I'm pretty sure here and there it wouldn't be the intended style. Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading? Should we make all heading italic or larger? Again no. ;-) I would start with improving the text content. Then we should think about the formatting. What do you think? Issue 124400: I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback once the changes are on the staging server. OK Thanks in advance for your review and feedback. [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] better installation guide - issue 124343 and issue 124400
On 03/12/2014 04:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
Hi,
Rainer recently noticed that our installation guides needs improvement -
see issues 124343 and 124400.
I am volunteering to take corresponding actions. But I need support and
feedback - I am neither a web designer nor a technical writer
Issue 124343:
This is about the visibility of the headings.
My suggestion here is to make the font used for the headings (all
levels) bold. Thus, I would like to propose to change our corresponding
CSS [1].
Please provide feedback regarding my suggestion.
Does it makes sense to make more or less all headings on our website bold?
Are there alternatives to improve the visibility of heading?
Should we make all heading italic or larger?
Issue 124400:
I will prepare the corresponding changes and I will ask for feedback
once the changes are on the staging server.
Thanks in advance for your review and feedback.
[1] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/site/trunk/content/css/ooo.css
Best regards, Oliver.
Rainer has a point. I remember at one time that "h3" (probably the main
concern here) used to display as described in styles.css
h3.subSection{font-style:italic;text-transform:uppercase;font-size:1.3em;font-weight:bold;}
I'm not sure what's changed to produce what's happening now.
"css/ooo.css" is the default supplied by Apache CMS but our local style
sheets, also brought in, should override this. (And, yes, they are a bit
of a mess!)
Well I can help with this but I'm not what the processing order is now.
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