Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2014-01-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 04/01/2014 jan i wrote:

Actually thats only partly true, we have 10 installations that are LINKED
(ln -s) to a common installation, only the config file is different.


Ah, interesting. I had a look at the application directory structure 
right now. Well, on one side having a common codebase already helps.



I will clearly move in the direction of having 1 forum installation, with
language specific versions (DB, and texts). I would highly recommend to
keep pictures, css and html identical.


We are now supporting per-forum header pictures, anyway. I don't know 
how much the theme was hacked to attain this, but if you look at

.../en/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/logo_forum_*
in the application directory you will see that we now embed different 
headers for each forum. I totally agree that using the same image 
everywhere (and possibly customizing the text that will go besides it) 
would make maintenance easier though.


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2014-01-04 Thread Hagar Delest 

Le 04/01/2014 18:16, jan i a écrit :

I will clearly move in the direction of having 1 forum installation, with
language specific versions (DB, and texts). I would highly recommend to
keep pictures, css and html identical.


The point was to have a consistent branding among the different areas (forum, 
wiki, templates, extensions and main site). If the NL areas have a translated 
banner, forums should have a dedicated banner as well I guess.
But well, at first, even with a single pic all forums is better than today if 
we get a common branding.

NB: please don't cc RGB. He's really having a break from all his activities 
related to AOO. If he wants to follow some topics, he knows where to look at.

Hagar

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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2014-01-04 Thread jan i 
On 4 January 2014 13:20, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 27/10/2013 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>>
>>> My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
 http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg

>>> there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
>>> download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
>>> NL forums?
>>>
>> Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated
>> graphics.
>> Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some
>> adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another
>> candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try
>> producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is
>> harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.
>>
>
> I had prepared the full header to be ready for when the new maintenance
> proposal was implemented. But we decided to wait a bit longer on that, so
> in the meantime you can find the graphical images here:
> http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/2014-01-forum/
>
> The new header/logo should be seen with the full CSS around it. But the
> banner is already the right size and I will take care of the CSS changes
> when the new team starts working.
>
> The word "Forum" is used as a reference to the subdomain name; but if
> someone prefers to see localized versions, just ask. I think they can be
> implemented easily now (we have 10 separate installations); I don't know
> what will happen if we consolidate all installations into one.
>
Actually thats only partly true, we have 10 installations that are LINKED
(ln -s) to a common installation, only the config file is different.

In the config file only the DB prefix is different.

This is how tery left it, sadly enough there has been a number of changes
after that, so 2 of the forums (last I checked) had a couple of other
specialities.

I will clearly move in the direction of having 1 forum installation, with
language specific versions (DB, and texts). I would highly recommend to
keep pictures, css and html identical.

rgds
jan I.


>
> This is also posted to the English forum at https://forum.openoffice.org/
> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523&start=90#p296713
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2014-01-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

On 27/10/2013 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg

there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
NL forums?

Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated
graphics.
Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some
adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another
candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try
producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is
harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.


I had prepared the full header to be ready for when the new maintenance 
proposal was implemented. But we decided to wait a bit longer on that, 
so in the meantime you can find the graphical images here:

http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/2014-01-forum/

The new header/logo should be seen with the full CSS around it. But the 
banner is already the right size and I will take care of the CSS changes 
when the new team starts working.


The word "Forum" is used as a reference to the subdomain name; but if 
someone prefers to see localized versions, just ask. I think they can be 
implemented easily now (we have 10 separate installations); I don't know 
what will happen if we consolidate all installations into one.


This is also posted to the English forum at 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523&start=90#p296713


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-10-29 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
2013/10/29 FR web forum 

> -1
> "Forum" is not a universal word.
> Many NL forums don't use it like Asia area.
>

No problem with that: a translation for the word forum on each language
will be enough.

Regards,
Ricardo



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> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Octobre 2013 21:53:07
> Objet: Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)
>
> Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> >> My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
> >> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg
> > there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
> > download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
> > NL forums?
>
> Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated
> graphics.
>
> Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some
> adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another
> candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try
> producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is
> harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.
>
> The last step will be materially putting the new files online, but this
> is not particularly problematic.
>
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-10-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
The issue here is that there is not a hackable instance of the forum, so is
hard to do any commiting. you can look at my private header template for
the main site:
http://people.apache.org/~jza/index.html

I could produce one for the forum, but this could only be hackable by
myself, making development quite slow.  I could have a svn instance (or
git) but again, not sure if that many people will do the commiting or even
know how to commit. From my experience with the community many people don't
know how to work with DSCM and make their own clones as opposed to dealing
with merges.



On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>
>> My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
>>> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-**es/Forum-Header-2.odg
>>>
>> there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
>> download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
>> NL forums?
>>
>
> Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated
> graphics.
>
> Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some
> adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another
> candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try
> producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is
> harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.
>
> The last step will be materially putting the new files online, but this is
> not particularly problematic.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-10-29 Thread FR web forum 
-1
"Forum" is not a universal word.
Many NL forums don't use it like Asia area.

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De: "Andrea Pescetti" 
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Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Octobre 2013 21:53:07
Objet: Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>> My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
>> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg
> there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
> download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
> NL forums?

Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated 
graphics.

Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some 
adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another 
candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try 
producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is 
harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.

The last step will be materially putting the new files online, but this 
is not particularly problematic.

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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-10-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

My best attempt is on this Draw file ...
http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg

there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
NL forums?


Changing the download icon is easy since we already have the updated 
graphics.


Changing header, if what we have so far is your Draw file, needs some 
adaptation work to the forum CSS. I've already done it for another 
candidate header and, unless somebody else is going to do it, I can try 
producing a CSS implementation for this one too, even though this one is 
harder since backgrounds need to be adapted.


The last step will be materially putting the new files online, but this 
is not particularly problematic.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-10-25 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
2013/9/22 Ricardo Berlasso 

> (top posting)
>
> Summarizing the discussion on the forums.
>
> There is agreement on a design for the forum header. You can see a mock-up
> here
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17876&mode=view
>
> Advantage: it uses the official logo without modifications, by changing
> the blue on the header for another, lighter colour already in use on the
> forum so there is no need for a full review.
>
> Disadvantage: it's just a mock-up I made picking elements from here and
> there, no code exists.
>
> In fact, I tried to build the logo with the globe and the "FORUM" part
> from Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim.svg file, but I
> was not able to open it right (I think it was already commented on the list
> that there are problems rendering that SVG).
>
> My best attempt is on this Draw file
>
> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg
>
> where I just cropped the logo used on the extension site and added the
> right part using Draw. (On this document you can also find the last header
> mock-up version).
>
> There is also agreement (at least, nobody opposed it) on updating the
> download logo with the new design
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17646
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo
>
>

I would like to start discussing this again. As commented on the previous
email, there is agreement on the forum header design and on changing the
download icon. Which are the steps needed to implement this change on all
NL forums?

Regards,
Ricardo




>
>
> 2013/8/21 Larry Gusaas 
>
>>
>>
>> On 2013-08-20 3:04 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry Gusaas >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 2013-08-20 1:56 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

  Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
> been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=
> 282094#p282094
>  viewtopic.php?p=282094#p282094
> **>
>
>  The "funny" comment was in relation to a different logo than we are
 discussing. http://forum.openoffice.org/
 en/forum/download/file.php?id=
 17669 >
 .

 It is used on the home landing page for all forums.
 http://forum.openoffice.org/

  I see the same issue applying to both logos.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but the comment you referred to was not about the logo we were
>> discussing. Don't say people made a comment on this specific logo when they
>> didn't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  This thread was discussing this logo: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
 es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
 >


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-09-21 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
(top posting)

Summarizing the discussion on the forums.

There is agreement on a design for the forum header. You can see a mock-up
here

http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17876&mode=view

Advantage: it uses the official logo without modifications, by changing the
blue on the header for another, lighter colour already in use on the forum
so there is no need for a full review.

Disadvantage: it's just a mock-up I made picking elements from here and
there, no code exists.

In fact, I tried to build the logo with the globe and the "FORUM" part from
Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim.svg file, but I was
not able to open it right (I think it was already commented on the list
that there are problems rendering that SVG).

My best attempt is on this Draw file

http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/Forum-Header-2.odg

where I just cropped the logo used on the extension site and added the
right part using Draw. (On this document you can also find the last header
mock-up version).

There is also agreement (at least, nobody opposed it) on updating the
download logo with the new design

http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17646

Regards,
Ricardo



2013/8/21 Larry Gusaas 

>
>
> On 2013-08-20 3:04 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry Gusaas > >wrote:
>>
>>  On 2013-08-20 1:56 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>>  Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
 been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=
 282094#p282094
 
 **>

  The "funny" comment was in relation to a different logo than we are
>>> discussing. http://forum.openoffice.org/
>>> en/forum/download/file.php?id=
>>> 17669 >> 17669 >
>>> .
>>>
>>> It is used on the home landing page for all forums.
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>>>
>>>  I see the same issue applying to both logos.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but the comment you referred to was not about the logo we were
> discussing. Don't say people made a comment on this specific logo when they
> didn't.
>
>
>>
>>
>>  This thread was discussing this logo: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>>> es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view>> openoffice.org/es/forum/**download/file.php?id=3926&**mode=view
>>> >
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Larry Gusaas 



On 2013-08-20 3:04 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:


On 2013-08-20 1:56 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:


Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=**282094#p282094


The "funny" comment was in relation to a different logo than we are
discussing. http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/download/file.php?id=**
17669  .
It is used on the home landing page for all forums.
http://forum.openoffice.org/


​I see the same issue applying to both logos.​


Perhaps, but the comment you referred to was not about the logo we were discussing. Don't say 
people made a comment on this specific logo when they didn't.







This thread was discussing this logo: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
es/forum/download/file.php?id=**3926&mode=view


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/download/file.php?id=**
>>> 17705&mode=view
>>>
>>
>> I like the consistency there.
>>
>
> Indeed. It is very simple, but it leaves room to all needed customizations
> and it allows to use the unmodified logo, easier for trademarks and
> recognition.
>
> I wouldn't use this scheme for the main website, or not in this form: the
> website does not need to have a prominent header saying "website"...
>

Yeah is an example, actually the slogan is "The Free and Open Productivity
Suite" . Forum could say community forum instead of only forum, so on.



>
> There is also the minor concern that texts are in English, but actually
> the text denotes the subdomain ("WIKI" means wiki.openoffice.org, "FORUM"
> means forum.openoffice.org...). This reinforces the branding too and does
> not need to be localized, since our domain names are in English only.
>

​This is *NOT* a logo, this is a whole redesign of all the sites, assuming
that we want to do this. Also this is not mean to be a solid image. Please
look at the structure of the extension website. The logo is used
independently from the overal header, and I would suggest to also use it
independently from the graphical text. ​



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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti 

Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17705&mode=view


I like the consistency there.


Indeed. It is very simple, but it leaves room to all needed 
customizations and it allows to use the unmodified logo, easier for 
trademarks and recognition.


I wouldn't use this scheme for the main website, or not in this form: 
the website does not need to have a prominent header saying "website"...


There is also the minor concern that texts are in English, but actually 
the text denotes the subdomain ("WIKI" means wiki.openoffice.org, 
"FORUM" means forum.openoffice.org...). This reinforces the branding too 
and does not need to be localized, since our domain names are in English 
only.


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

> On 2013-08-20 2:36 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> ​I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/download/file.php?id=**
>> 17705&mode=view
>> ​
>>
>
> The design for the forum lacks the current text "User community support
> forum for Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice and all the OpenOffice.org
> derivatives"
>
> This is essential to include in the header
>

​Actually not really, that text could be included outside of the header.
The point is not where is supposed to be.

You can see examples of these, on the www site banner. ​



>
> Also using blue on blue is not a good idea. It lacks impact and is not
> visually attractive.
>

​The site almost *always* used a light blue background since the original
header for the website was blue on blue.
http://www.ross.ws/sites/default/files/articles/OpenOffice.org%20Basics/OpenOffice.org%20homepage.jpg
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

> On 2013-08-20 1:56 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
>> been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=**282094#p282094
>>
>
> The "funny" comment was in relation to a different logo than we are
> discussing. http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/download/file.php?id=**
> 17669  .
> It is used on the home landing page for all forums.
> http://forum.openoffice.org/
>

​I see the same issue applying to both logos.​



>
> This thread was discussing this logo: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> es/forum/download/file.php?id=**3926&mode=view
>
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Larry Gusaas 

On 2013-08-20 2:36 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

​I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17705&mode=view​


The design for the forum lacks the current text "User community support forum for Apache 
OpenOffice, LibreOffice and all the OpenOffice.org derivatives"


This is essential to include in the header

Also using blue on blue is not a good idea. It lacks impact and is not visually 
attractive.

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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Larry Gusaas 

On 2013-08-20 1:56 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=282094#p282094


The "funny" comment was in relation to a different logo than we are discussing. 
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17669 . It is used on the home 
landing page for all forums. http://forum.openoffice.org/


This thread was discussing this logo: 
http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Rob Weir 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-08-20 12:34 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>
 On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the
> official
> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
>
> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/**es/forum/download/file.php?id=**
> 3926&mode=view
>
> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just
> me ;)
>
 I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose

 Juergen

>>>
>>> "Open" is in blue letters which won't show up on the blue background on
>>> the forums. It is also missing "Community Forum".
>>>
>>
>> I see several issues wiht this logo, first of there was a design proposal
>> to go 2d instead of the 3D Orb. The 3D lifesaver goes against that design
>> mantra.
>>
>> There was a white blur on the background which affects the thin design of
>> the typeset for Apache.
>>
>> Then is the issue of the blue, which was the same reason to have this on
>> the light color. Originally proposed to be completely white. Which is on
>> the Visual guidelines from branding:
>>
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Logo_Usage_Guidelines_Proposals#.C2.A0Black_and_White_Logo_Versions
>>
>>
>> Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
>> been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=282094#p282094
>>
>> The 'new' header is the one implemented by Extension website, which has no
>> branding issues and my guess it should be the new header for the
>> site/wiki/etc. But major re-design needs to be done there.
>> http://extensions.openoffice.org/
>>
>> Having the light blue on the background makes it ideal for the darker
>> logo. Also the logo is 'free' from the content of the site 'Extension'
>> which is easy to replace with Wiki/Site/Forum (or community forum) without
>> affecting the branding element.
>>
>
> I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17705&mode=view
>

I like the consistency there.

-Rob


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2013-08-20 12:34 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>>>
 The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the
 official
 logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
 header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.

 User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):

 http://forum.openoffice.org/**es/forum/download/file.php?id=**
 3926&mode=view

 Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
 emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just
 me ;)

>>> I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>
>> "Open" is in blue letters which won't show up on the blue background on
>> the forums. It is also missing "Community Forum".
>>
>
> ​I see several issues wiht this logo, first of there was a design proposal
> to go 2d instead of the 3D Orb. The 3D lifesaver goes against that design
> mantra.
>
> There was a white blur on the background which affects the thin design of
> the typeset for Apache.
>
> Then is the issue of the blue, which was the same reason to have this on
> the light color. Originally proposed to be completely white. Which is on
> the Visual guidelines from branding:
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Logo_Usage_Guidelines_Proposals#.C2.A0Black_and_White_Logo_Versions
> ​
>
> ​Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
> been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=282094#p282094
> ​
> The 'new' header is the one implemented by Extension website, which has no
> branding issues and my guess it should be the new header for the
> site/wiki/etc. But major re-design needs to be done there.
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/
>
> Having the light blue on the background makes it ideal for the darker
> logo. Also the logo is 'free' from the content of the site 'Extension'
> which is easy to replace with Wiki/Site/Forum (or community forum) without
> affecting the branding element.
>

​I put a sample of what the headers would look like:
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/download/file.php?id=17705&mode=view​



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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

>
>
> On 2013-08-20 12:34 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
>>
>>> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the
>>> official
>>> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
>>> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
>>>
>>> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
>>>
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**es/forum/download/file.php?id=**
>>> 3926&mode=view
>>>
>>> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
>>> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just
>>> me ;)
>>>
>> I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>
> "Open" is in blue letters which won't show up on the blue background on
> the forums. It is also missing "Community Forum".
>

​I see several issues wiht this logo, first of there was a design proposal
to go 2d instead of the 3D Orb. The 3D lifesaver goes against that design
mantra.

There was a white blur on the background which affects the thin design of
the typeset for Apache.

Then is the issue of the blue, which was the same reason to have this on
the light color. Originally proposed to be completely white. Which is on
the Visual guidelines from branding:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Logo_Usage_Guidelines_Proposals#.C2.A0Black_and_White_Logo_Versions
​

​Also "community forum" text itself is a branding breach, which has also
been questioned for the index forum page, as 'funny':
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=282094#p282094
​
The 'new' header is the one implemented by Extension website, which has no
branding issues and my guess it should be the new header for the
site/wiki/etc. But major re-design needs to be done there.
http://extensions.openoffice.org/

Having the light blue on the background makes it ideal for the darker logo.
Also the logo is 'free' from the content of the site 'Extension' which is
easy to replace with Wiki/Site/Forum (or community forum) without affecting
the branding element.



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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
2013/8/20 Rob Weir 

> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> wrote:
> > 2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt 
> >
> >> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> (top posting)
> >> >>
> >> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
> >> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
> >> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
> >> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
> >> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
> >>
> >> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
> >> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
> >>
> >
> >
> > Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> > I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there
> is a
> > difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> > there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding"
> (underlining
> > _small_).
> >
> > IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> > first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> > This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
> >
> > The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the
> official
> > logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> > header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
> >
>
> I'd consider the header as a whole to be the topic of discussion.
> This consists of a background color, graphical elements and text.  I'd
> much prefer for the AOO logo to be used in the original form.  If left
> aligned this gives a lot of space in the header to do other things.
> For example, if we want that lifesaver graphic, maybe that could be
> the three o's in Community Support Forum?  Or it could be a graphic
> right aligned?
>


Not bat. Maybe the lifesaver with the text "community forum" to the right.
That add the problem of positioning the search box, though.



>
> But I think we want to use the AOO logo prominently, to reenforce in
> the mind of the user that they are on an official website.  As you
> know there are so many potentially damaging websites out there
> pretending to be OpenOffice websites.  We need to train our users to
> understand when they are on an official website.  The branding is a
> key part of this.
>


Sounds reasonable for me.

Regards
Ricardo




>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
> >
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
> >
> > Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> > emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just
> me ;)
> >
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
> >> tweak,
> >> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
> >> variant
> >> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
> >> >>
> >> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Ricardo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <
> rgb.m...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >>  2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
> >> 
> >> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>  On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  >
> >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> > There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> >> >> openoffice.apache.org
> >>  ,
> >> > blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites
> need
> >> >>> to be
> >> > updated.
> >> >
> >> > Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> >> >>> was a
> >> > dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> >> >>> needs to
> >> >> be
> >> > some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >> >
> >> > So the status is:
> >> > blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> >> > templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
> >> don't
> >> > have
> >> >

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Rob Weir 
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
> 2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
>> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
>> wrote:
>> >> (top posting)
>> >>
>> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
>> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
>> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
>> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
>> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>>
>> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
>> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>>
>
>
> Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
> difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
> _small_).
>
> IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
>
> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
>

I'd consider the header as a whole to be the topic of discussion.
This consists of a background color, graphical elements and text.  I'd
much prefer for the AOO logo to be used in the original form.  If left
aligned this gives a lot of space in the header to do other things.
For example, if we want that lifesaver graphic, maybe that could be
the three o's in Community Support Forum?  Or it could be a graphic
right aligned?

But I think we want to use the AOO logo prominently, to reenforce in
the mind of the user that they are on an official website.  As you
know there are so many potentially damaging websites out there
pretending to be OpenOffice websites.  We need to train our users to
understand when they are on an official website.  The branding is a
key part of this.

Regards,

-Rob


> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
>
> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
>> tweak,
>> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
>> variant
>> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>> >>
>> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ricardo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
>> >>> wrote:
>>  2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
>> 
>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> > There is also other sites like extensions, www and
>> >> openoffice.apache.org
>>  ,
>> > blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
>> >>> to be
>> > updated.
>> >
>> > Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
>> >>> was a
>> > dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
>> >>> needs to
>> >> be
>> > some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>> >
>> > So the status is:
>> > blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
>> > templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
>> don't
>> > have
>>  the
>> > previous logo at all.
>> >
>> > I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
>> >>> similar
>> >> font
>> > to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls
>> artwork.
>> >> Andrea
>> > recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>> 
>>  Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>> >>>
>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> The bugzilla

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-20 Thread Larry Gusaas 



On 2013-08-20 12:34 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.

User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view

Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)

I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose

Juergen


"Open" is in blue letters which won't show up on the blue background on the forums. It is also 
missing "Community Forum".


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-19 Thread Jürgen Schmidt 
On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt 
> 
>> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
>> wrote:
 (top posting)

 User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo


>> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view

>>>
>>> Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
>>> the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
>>> user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
>>> good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
>>> "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>>
>> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
>> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>>
> 
> 
> Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
> difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
> _small_).
> 
> IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
> 
> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
> 
> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
> 
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
> 
> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)

I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose

Juergen


> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
 On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
>> tweak,
 maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
>> variant
 that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).

 I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.

 Regards
 Ricardo





 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> wrote:
>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>>>


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
 openoffice.apache.org
>> ,
>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
> to be
>>> updated.
>>>
>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> was a
>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> needs to
 be
>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>>>
>>> So the status is:
>>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
>> don't
>>> have
>> the
>>> previous logo at all.
>>>
>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> similar
 font
>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls
>> artwork.
 Andrea
>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>>
>> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>

 The bugzilla does not answer my question.

 You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?

 IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?

>>>
>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at
>> the
>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
>>> current AOO Logo.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
> sans
>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans
>> pro
>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>>
>
>
> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> idea is to update th

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-19 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> wrote:
> >> (top posting)
> >>
> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
> >>
> >>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
> >>
> >
> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>
> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>


Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
_small_).

IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.

The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.

User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view

Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)

Regards
Ricardo




>
> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
> tweak,
> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
> variant
> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
> >>
> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ricardo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> >>> wrote:
>  2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> > wrote:
> 
> > There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> >> openoffice.apache.org
>  ,
> > blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
> >>> to be
> > updated.
> >
> > Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> >>> was a
> > dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> >>> needs to
> >> be
> > some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >
> > So the status is:
> > blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
> don't
> > have
>  the
> > previous logo at all.
> >
> > I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> >>> similar
> >> font
> > to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls
> artwork.
> >> Andrea
> > recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> 
>  Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> >>>
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> >>>
> >>
> >> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> >>
> >> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> >>
> >> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> >>
> >
> > I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at
> the
> > source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> > current AOO Logo.
> >
> >
> 
>  Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
> >>> sans
>  is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans
> pro
>  then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
> >>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> >>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
> >>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
>  Regard
>  Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> >>

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-19 Thread Jürgen Schmidt 
On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
>> (top posting)
>>
>> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>>
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>>
> 
> Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
> the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
> user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
> good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
> "Community Support Forum" or something like that.

exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header

Juergen

> 
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
>> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting tweak,
>> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a variant
>> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>>
>> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
>>> wrote:
 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:

> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
>> openoffice.apache.org
 ,
> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
>>> to be
> updated.
>
> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
>>> was a
> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
>>> needs to
>> be
> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>
> So the status is:
> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
> have
 the
> previous logo at all.
>
> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
>>> similar
>> font
> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
>> Andrea
> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.

 Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>>>
>>
>> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>>
>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>>
>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>>
>
> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> current AOO Logo.
>
>

 Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
>>> sans
 is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
 then Dave's question is perfectly valid.

>>>
>>>
>>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
>>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
>>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
 Regard
 Ricardo




>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

>
> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
> samples
 and
> sources.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
>> hagar.del...@laposte.net
> wrote:
>
>> The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> dedicated
 one.
>>
>> What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will
>>> certainly
 visit 3
>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today
>>> they
 have 3
>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
 branding
>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
>>
>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
> headers
 and
>> a proposal I've made very quickly:
>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
 http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>> No need to register to see it so have a look.
>> The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
> least
 for
>> every areas, at the same location.
>>
>> Hagar
>>>

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-19 Thread Rob Weir 
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
> (top posting)
>
> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>

Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
"Community Support Forum" or something like that.


-Rob


> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting tweak,
> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a variant
> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>
> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
>> wrote:
>> > 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >
>> >> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
>> >> > openoffice.apache.org
>> >> > >> ,
>> >> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
>> to be
>> >> > >>> updated.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
>> was a
>> >> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
>> needs to
>> >> > be
>> >> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> So the status is:
>> >> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
>> >> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
>> >> have
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >>> previous logo at all.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
>> similar
>> >> > font
>> >> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
>> >> > Andrea
>> >> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>> >> >
>> >> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>> >> >
>> >> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
>> >> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
>> >> current AOO Logo.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
>> sans
>> > is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
>> > then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>> >
>>
>>
>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Regard
>> > Ricardo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
>> >> samples
>> >> > >> and
>> >> > >>> sources.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
>> >> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
>> >> > >>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
>> >> dedicated
>> >> > >> one.
>> >> > 
>> >> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will
>> certainly
>> >> > >> visit 3
>> >> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today
>> they
>> >> > >> have 3
>> >> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
>> >> > >> branding
>> >> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
>> >> > 
>> >> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
>> >> headers
>> >> > >> and
>> >> >  a proposal I've made very quickly:
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>> >> >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
>> >> > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>> >> >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
>> >> >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
>> >> least
>> >> > >> for
>> >> >  every areas, at the same location.
>> >> > 
>> >> >  Hagar
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> --**--**-
>>

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-18 Thread janI 
On 18 August 2013 23:36, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  >wrote:
>
> > (top posting)
> >
> > User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
> >
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
> >
>
> Needs a bit of tuning, but generally -- VERY COOL! Right on target!
>

I like it as well. I do have 2 comments

we should discuss what our "common identity" are is it only the sea gulls
or also the orb.

For the forum I would really like to see the apache feather as well.

just my 2ct.

rgds
jan I.

>
>
> >
> > On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
> tweak,
> > maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a variant
> > that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
> >
> > I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>
>
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
> > > >
> > > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> > > >> > openoffice.apache.org
> > > >> > >> ,
> > > >> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites
> need
> > > to be
> > > >> > >>> updated.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> > > was a
> > > >> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> > > needs to
> > > >> > be
> > > >> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> So the status is:
> > > >> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > > >> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
> > don't
> > > >> have
> > > >> > >> the
> > > >> > >>> previous logo at all.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> > > similar
> > > >> > font
> > > >> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls
> > artwork.
> > > >> > Andrea
> > > >> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at
> > the
> > > >> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> > > >> current AOO Logo.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said,
> open
> > > sans
> > > > is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans
> > pro
> > > > then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
> > >  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> > > idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
> > > and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > > > Regard
> > > > Ricardo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all
> the
> > > >> samples
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> > >>> sources.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> > > >> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
> > > >> > >>> wrote:
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> > > >> dedicated
> > > >> > >> one.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will
> > > certainly
> > > >> > >> visit 3
> > > >> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum.
> Today
> > > they
> > > >> > >> have 3
> > > >> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a
> > consistent
> > > >> > >> branding
> > > >> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3
> current
> > > >> headers
> > > >> > >> and
> > > >> >  a proposal I've made very quickly:
> > > http://for

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-18 Thread Kay Schenk 
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

> (top posting)
>
> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>

Needs a bit of tuning, but generally -- VERY COOL! Right on target!


>
> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting tweak,
> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a variant
> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>
> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir 
>
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> > wrote:
> > > 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >
> > >> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> > >> > openoffice.apache.org
> > >> > >> ,
> > >> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
> > to be
> > >> > >>> updated.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> > was a
> > >> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> > needs to
> > >> > be
> > >> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> So the status is:
> > >> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > >> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or
> don't
> > >> have
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >>> previous logo at all.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> > similar
> > >> > font
> > >> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls
> artwork.
> > >> > Andrea
> > >> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> > >> >
> > >> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> > >> >
> > >> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at
> the
> > >> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> > >> current AOO Logo.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
> > sans
> > > is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans
> pro
> > > then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> > >
> >
> >
> > So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
> >  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> > idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
> > and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > > Regard
> > > Ricardo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
> > >> samples
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >>> sources.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> > >> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> > >> dedicated
> > >> > >> one.
> > >> > 
> > >> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will
> > certainly
> > >> > >> visit 3
> > >> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today
> > they
> > >> > >> have 3
> > >> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a
> consistent
> > >> > >> branding
> > >> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> > >> > 
> > >> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
> > >> headers
> > >> > >> and
> > >> >  a proposal I've made very quickly:
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> > >> >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> > >> > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> > >> >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
> > >> >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
> > >> least
> > >> > >> for
> > >> >  every areas, at the same location.
> > >> > 
> > >> >  Hagar
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > --**--**-
> > >> >  To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**
> apache.org<
> > >> > >> dev-unsubscr...@

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-18 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
(top posting)

User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view

On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting tweak,
maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a variant
that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).

I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.

Regards
Ricardo





2013/8/12 Rob Weir 

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso 
> wrote:
> > 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> >> > openoffice.apache.org
> >> > >> ,
> >> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need
> to be
> >> > >>> updated.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there
> was a
> >> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there
> needs to
> >> > be
> >> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> So the status is:
> >> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> >> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
> >> have
> >> > >> the
> >> > >>> previous logo at all.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> similar
> >> > font
> >> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
> >> > Andrea
> >> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> >> > >
> >> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> >> >
> >> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> >> >
> >> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
> >> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> >> current AOO Logo.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
> sans
> > is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
> > then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> >
>
>
> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
>
> -Rob
>
> > Regard
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
> >> samples
> >> > >> and
> >> > >>> sources.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> >> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> >> dedicated
> >> > >> one.
> >> > 
> >> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will
> certainly
> >> > >> visit 3
> >> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today
> they
> >> > >> have 3
> >> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
> >> > >> branding
> >> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> >> > 
> >> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
> >> headers
> >> > >> and
> >> >  a proposal I've made very quickly:
> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> >> >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> >> > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> >> >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
> >> >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
> >> least
> >> > >> for
> >> >  every areas, at the same location.
> >> > 
> >> >  Hagar
> >> > >>
> >> >
> --**--**-
> >> >  To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> >> > >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >> >  For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> Alexandro Colorado
> >> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> > >>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> -
> >> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> >> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Rob Weir 
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>
>> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
>> > openoffice.apache.org
>> > >> ,
>> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
>> > >>> updated.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
>> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to
>> > be
>> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> So the status is:
>> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
>> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
>> have
>> > >> the
>> > >>> previous logo at all.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar
>> > font
>> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
>> > Andrea
>> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>> > >>
>> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>> > >
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>> > >
>> >
>> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>> >
>> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>> >
>> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>> >
>>
>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
>> current AOO Logo.
>>
>>
>
> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open sans
> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>


So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
 This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.

-Rob

> Regard
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
>> samples
>> > >> and
>> > >>> sources.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
>> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
>> dedicated
>> > >> one.
>> > 
>> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
>> > >> visit 3
>> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they
>> > >> have 3
>> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
>> > >> branding
>> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
>> > 
>> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
>> headers
>> > >> and
>> >  a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>> >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
>> > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>> >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
>> >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
>> least
>> > >> for
>> >  every areas, at the same location.
>> > 
>> >  Hagar
>> > >>
>> > --**--**-
>> >  To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
>> > >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
>> >  For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Alexandro Colorado
>> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> > >>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> > >>
>> > >> -
>> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Alexandro Colorado
>> > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> > > http://www.openoffice.org
>> >
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>

-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 
>
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> > > openoffice.apache.org
> > > >> ,
> > > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to
> be
> > > >>> updated.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was
> a
> > > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs
> to
> > > be
> > > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So the status is:
> > > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
> > have
> > > >> the
> > > >>> previous logo at all.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a
> similar
> > > font
> > > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
> > > Andrea
> > > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> > > >>
> > > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> > > >
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> > > >
> > >
> > > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> > >
> > > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> > >
> > > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> > >
> >
> > I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
> > source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> > current AOO Logo.
> >
> >
>
> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open sans
> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>

​The comment on the issue wasn't about the license status but compliancy
with the new log between AOO sites. The new logo uses Source Sans Pro which
is on www, blog, ooo.apache, and will soon be on the rest of the sites.​

Like I pointed on the bugzilla comment it was an incemental modification to
get it closer to branding guidelines.




>
> Regard
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
> > samples
> > > >> and
> > > >>> sources.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> > > hagar.del...@laposte.net
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> > dedicated
> > > >> one.
> > > 
> > >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
> > > >> visit 3
> > >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today
> they
> > > >> have 3
> > >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
> > > >> branding
> > >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> > > 
> > >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
> > headers
> > > >> and
> > >  a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> > >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> > > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> > >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
> > >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
> > least
> > > >> for
> > >  every areas, at the same location.
> > > 
> > >  Hagar
> > > >>
> > >
> --**--**-
> > >  To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> > > >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> > >  For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Alexandro Colorado
> > > >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > > >>> http://www.openoffice.org
> > > >>
> > > >>
> -
> > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Alexandro Colorado
> > > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org
> > >
> > > -
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > http://www.openoffice.org
> >
>



-- 
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributo

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Ricardo Berlasso 
2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado 

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> > openoffice.apache.org
> > >> ,
> > >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
> > >>> updated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
> > >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to
> > be
> > >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> > >>>
> > >>> So the status is:
> > >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't
> have
> > >> the
> > >>> previous logo at all.
> > >>>
> > >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar
> > font
> > >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
> > Andrea
> > >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> > >>
> > >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> > > 
> >
> > The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> >
> > You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> >
> > IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> >
>
> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
> current AOO Logo.
>
>

Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open sans
is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans pro
then Dave's question is perfectly valid.

Regard
Ricardo




>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the
> samples
> > >> and
> > >>> sources.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> > hagar.del...@laposte.net
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  The question was raised in another thread but better have a
> dedicated
> > >> one.
> > 
> >  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
> > >> visit 3
> >  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they
> > >> have 3
> >  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
> > >> branding
> >  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> > 
> >  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current
> headers
> > >> and
> >  a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> >  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> > >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> >  No need to register to see it so have a look.
> >  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at
> least
> > >> for
> >  every areas, at the same location.
> > 
> >  Hagar
> > >>
> > --**--**-
> >  To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> > >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >  For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Alexandro Colorado
> > >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > >>> http://www.openoffice.org
> > >>
> > >> -
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alexandro Colorado
> > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > > http://www.openoffice.org
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://www.openoffice.org
>

Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
> >>
> >>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> openoffice.apache.org
> >> ,
> >>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
> >>> updated.
> >>>
> >>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
> >>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to
> be
> >>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >>>
> >>> So the status is:
> >>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> >>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't have
> >> the
> >>> previous logo at all.
> >>>
> >>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar
> font
> >>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork.
> Andrea
> >>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> >>
> >> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> >
> > ​https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> > ​
>
> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>
> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>
> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>

​I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at the
source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the
current AOO Logo.



>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the samples
> >> and
> >>> sources.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> hagar.del...@laposte.net
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated
> >> one.
> 
>  What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
> >> visit 3
>  areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they
> >> have 3
>  different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
> >> branding
>  to give users a kind of security feeling.
> 
>  I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers
> >> and
>  a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>  en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>  No need to register to see it so have a look.
>  The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least
> >> for
>  every areas, at the same location.
> 
>  Hagar
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Dave Fisher 


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and openoffice.apache.org
>> ,
>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
>>> updated.
>>> 
>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to be
>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
>>> 
>>> So the status is:
>>> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't have
>> the
>>> previous logo at all.
>>> 
>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar font
>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork. Andrea
>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>> 
>> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
> 
> ​https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> ​

The bugzilla does not answer my question.

You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?

IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?


> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the samples
>> and
>>> sources.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote:
>>> 
 The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated
>> one.
 
 What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
>> visit 3
 areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they
>> have 3
 different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
>> branding
 to give users a kind of security feeling.
 
 I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers
>> and
 a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
 en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
 No need to register to see it so have a look.
 The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least
>> for
 every areas, at the same location.
 
 Hagar
>> --**--**-
 To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
>> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
 For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> 
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> 
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
> > There is also other sites like extensions, www and openoffice.apache.org
> ,
> > blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
> > updated.
> >
> > Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
> > dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to be
> > some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >
> > So the status is:
> > blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> > templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't have
> the
> > previous logo at all.
> >
> > I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar font
> > to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork. Andrea
> > recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>
> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?
>

​https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
​


>
> >
> > An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the samples
> and
> > sources.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest  >wrote:
> >
> >> The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated
> one.
> >>
> >> What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly
> visit 3
> >> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they
> have 3
> >> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent
> branding
> >> to give users a kind of security feeling.
> >>
> >> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers
> and
> >> a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> >> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> >> No need to register to see it so have a look.
> >> The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least
> for
> >> every areas, at the same location.
> >>
> >> Hagar
> >>
> >>
> --**--**-
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > http://www.openoffice.org
>
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>


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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Dave Fisher 


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> There is also other sites like extensions, www and openoffice.apache.org,
> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
> updated.
> 
> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to be
> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> 
> So the status is:
> blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't have the
> previous logo at all.
> 
> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar font
> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork. Andrea
> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.

Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too?

> 
> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the samples and
> sources.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> 
>> The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated one.
>> 
>> What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly visit 3
>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they have 3
>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent branding
>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
>> 
>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers and
>> a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523
>> No need to register to see it so have a look.
>> The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least for
>> every areas, at the same location.
>> 
>> Hagar
>> 
>> --**--**-
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: 
>> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> 
> 
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> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Alexandro Colorado 
There is also other sites like extensions, www and openoffice.apache.org,
blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need to be
updated.

Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there was a
dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there needs to be
some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.

So the status is:
blog, www, extensions and o...@apache.org have the new logo
templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or don't have the
previous logo at all.

I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a similar font
to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls artwork. Andrea
recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.

An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the samples and
sources.


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:

> The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated one.
>
> What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly visit 3
> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they have 3
> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent branding
> to give users a kind of security feeling.
>
> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers and
> a proposal I've made very quickly: http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523
> No need to register to see it so have a look.
> The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least for
> every areas, at the same location.
>
> Hagar
>
> --**--**-
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: 
> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>
>


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Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)

2013-08-11 Thread Hagar Delest 

The question was raised in another thread but better have a dedicated one.

What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will certainly visit 3 
areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today they have 3 
different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a consistent branding to 
give users a kind of security feeling.

I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current headers and a 
proposal I've made very quickly: 
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523
No need to register to see it so have a look.
The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at least for every 
areas, at the same location.

Hagar

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