AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
I think the problem that I have does not arise from any bug in OOo, but from stupid users, that I have to handle. First of all I only have .doc files. In MS Word, you can insert field functions, like author, but the value of this field function stays empty until you do some update operation (by selecting "update" from a menu), where the value is inserted then. This is also the same with page numbers. The users save the document, without updating the field functions. When they are again opened with MS Word, the field functions to do get updated automatically. So I have an empty field function "author" and a wrong page numbers information, because of not updating it by the user. When I then open the document using OOo, the author and page information field functions get updated and the correct information is inserted. That would actually be what I expect from a program. But in my special case this is not wanted, because it means some changes have been done on the original document. The problem with the date information fields, is that they have a different format (e.g. adding a field for seconds, which is not visible in MS Word). This would not be so bad, if the above mentioned problem could be solved. To summarize I do not think that it is a bug, or change request on OOo, but on MS Word, because of not automatically updating the field function, with correct information. The users are just used to MS Word and are not going to understand, that OOo actually behaves correctly. My approach than was to disable the updating field functions, so that OOo behaves the same as MS Word. But as I found out until now, disabling it is not possible. Greetings Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Joe Smith Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2007 16:12 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thullner, Robert wrote: > Hello > > I have a problem with fields in OOo. I use OpenOffice to convert MS Word > files to PDF format. The word files contain field functions(lastSaved, > lastPrinted, savedBy, PageNumbers...). These field functions are > automatically updated when I open the MS Word files with OOo. ... Sorry, but what do you mean by "updated"? Are they given new values? If so, it seems to be specific to the .doc import because it does not happen with an ODF document. I can open an ODF document sent to me by someone else, save it (no edits) as a different name, and all those fields stay the same. Maybe you're talking about the values passed on to the PDF file? All I can see there is the "Author" field, which again was not changed. The 'Created' time has changed, but I dare say that's ambiguous at best in that situation. Also, which one of those fields should get a new value on import? None that I can see. Simply reading the file should not change any of those values. Unless I've missed something obvious (always a good possibility), this isn't a ux issue, it's just a bug. Oh, waaait a minute, I see now. Those are not static fields, they're actually formula fields using functions that return the document info, which has now changed. I still say it's a bug--the import operation should not change the values returned by those functions and the result should be the same as it was in the original document. Are the correct values available from the .doc file? If so, then that's what the functions should produce when they're updated.
AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
Thank you for giving me some hope again I have attached a sample document, which contain some field functions and includes some explanation When you open the document with MS Word and afterwards with OOo Writer, you should see all the differences. Greetings Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mathias Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2007 18:56 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: Re: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thullner, Robert wrote: > My approach than was to disable the updating field functions, so that > OOo behaves the same as MS Word. But as I found out until now, > disabling it is not possible. I think it *should* be possible. You must differentiate between the metat data and the fields displaying them. The update of the meta data before a document is stored can't be suppressed ATM but it should be possible to prevent the update of the field content. OTOH it is possible that the meta data change automatically triggers a field update... That would be as correct as unfortunate for you. Well, until we don't see such document we can only speculate. If you can, you should create an issue and attach a sample document that shows your problem (I assume you can remove any private or confidential data before). Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
I just saw, that the attachment was blocked by the list. How can I provide you a sample document? -robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Thullner, Robert Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 09:35 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thank you for giving me some hope again I have attached a sample document, which contain some field functions and includes some explanation When you open the document with MS Word and afterwards with OOo Writer, you should see all the differences. Greetings Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mathias Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2007 18:56 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: Re: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thullner, Robert wrote: > My approach than was to disable the updating field functions, so that > OOo behaves the same as MS Word. But as I found out until now, > disabling it is not possible. I think it *should* be possible. You must differentiate between the metat data and the fields displaying them. The update of the meta data before a document is stored can't be suppressed ATM but it should be possible to prevent the update of the field content. OTOH it is possible that the meta data change automatically triggers a field update... That would be as correct as unfortunate for you. Well, until we don't see such document we can only speculate. If you can, you should create an issue and attach a sample document that shows your problem (I assume you can remove any private or confidential data before). Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
Thullner, Robert schrieb: I just saw, that the attachment was blocked by the list. How can I provide you a sample document? As Mathias said, please file an issue (and put the number to this thread please). http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html Regards Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
Please, send the atached in ZIP. Thanks From: "Thullner, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: dev@openoffice.org To: Subject: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:02:11 +0200 I just saw, that the attachment was blocked by the list. How can I provide you a sample document? -robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Thullner, Robert Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 09:35 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thank you for giving me some hope again I have attached a sample document, which contain some field functions and includes some explanation When you open the document with MS Word and afterwards with OOo Writer, you should see all the differences. Greetings Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Mathias Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2007 18:56 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: Re: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Thullner, Robert wrote: > My approach than was to disable the updating field functions, so that > OOo behaves the same as MS Word. But as I found out until now, > disabling it is not possible. I think it *should* be possible. You must differentiate between the metat data and the fields displaying them. The update of the meta data before a document is stored can't be suppressed ATM but it should be possible to prevent the update of the field content. OTOH it is possible that the meta data change automatically triggers a field update... That would be as correct as unfortunate for you. Well, until we don't see such document we can only speculate. If you can, you should create an issue and attach a sample document that shows your problem (I assume you can remove any private or confidential data before). Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ De todo para la Mujer Latina http://latino.msn.com/mujer/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating
I already attached a sample document for an OOo issue. See here http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=80725 Greetings Robert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Cristian Daniel Galinelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 17. August 2007 00:39 An: dev@openoffice.org Betreff: RE: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating Please, send the atached in ZIP. Thanks >From: "Thullner, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: dev@openoffice.org >To: >Subject: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:02:11 +0200 > >I just saw, that the attachment was blocked by the list. > >How can I provide you a sample document? > >-robert > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: Thullner, Robert >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 09:35 >An: dev@openoffice.org >Betreff: AW: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating > >Thank you for giving me some hope again > >I have attached a sample document, which contain some field functions and >includes some explanation > >When you open the document with MS Word and afterwards with OOo Writer, you >should see all the differences. > >Greetings >Robert > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: Mathias Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2007 18:56 >An: dev@openoffice.org >Betreff: Re: [dev] Re: Disable automatic field updating > >Thullner, Robert wrote: > > > My approach than was to disable the updating field functions, so that > > OOo behaves the same as MS Word. But as I found out until now, > > disabling it is not possible. >I think it *should* be possible. You must differentiate between the metat >data and the fields displaying them. The update of the meta data before a >document is stored can't be suppressed ATM but it should be possible to >prevent the update of the field content. OTOH it is possible that the meta >data change automatically triggers a field update... That would be as >correct as unfortunate for you. > >Well, until we don't see such document we can only speculate. If you can, >you should create an issue and attach a sample document that shows your >problem (I assume you can remove any private or confidential data before). > >Best regards, >Mathias > >-- >Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org >Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". >I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional >commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ De todo para la Mujer Latina http://latino.msn.com/mujer/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
