[OSM-dev] Renderd / mapnik version alignment problems
What's the proper way to get renderd to use mapnik 2.2? I've nuked (or thought I nuked) all potential mapnik packages, python libraries, etc. from my install, reinstalled mapnik from ppa:mapnik/v.2.2.0, recompiled mod_tile from github, and when I run renderd -f to test, I get this: renderd[5581]: Renderd is using mapnik version 2.1.1 and, here's the package query: $ dpkg-query -l | grep mapnik ii libmapnik 2.2.0+dev20121011.git.38d9163-1~precise1C++/Python toolkit for developing GIS applications (libraries) rc libmapnik2-2.02.0.0+ds1-3build1 C++/Python toolkit for developing GIS applications (libraries) ii mapnik-utils 2.2.0+dev20121011.git.38d9163-1~precise1C++/Python toolkit for developing GIS applications (utilities) rc openstreetmap-mapnik-stylesheet-data 0.2-r29376~precise1 Provides a stylesheet and costline data for rendering OpenStreetMap with Mapnik ii python-mapnik 2.2.0+dev20121011.git.38d9163-1~precise1C++/Python toolkit for developing GIS applications (Python) rc renderd 0.4-21~precise1 Daemon that renders map tiles using mapnik Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 03:47:53PM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: I think I've cleared it up - standard Ubuntu packages won't work for the install, but ppa:ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable works well. This is also why I wasn't finding the libgeos++-dev in Ubuntu... it's not there without this ppa. I'd add these two items to the front of the install process and any spatialite or boost issues should go away: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable The osmcoastline README mentions the ubuntugis repository. Yes, it could Aha! RTFR! Mea culpa! Lame excuse: I had skipped that part, as installing GDAL is a dependency for Osmium, and the Osmium README doesn't include that. probably be made clearer how to install this, but then I'd have to explain it for each and every distribution. Adding extra repositories is a rather drastic step, it is done differently in different distributions and it is not necessary in all distributions. Unfortunately there is a minimum of expertise and experience involved in compiling your own software. Feel free to add your experiences and build instructions to the wiki. Will do! ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] renderd exits... any ideas?
Adding dev@ to a thread already in progress... I think this may have been related to mucking around in the tile directory and having some file and directory ownership change from www-data to root. Sound plausible? We'll keep our eyes open for other possible sources of failure. On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Jeff, This looks like there is some form of error / exception while trying to write a metatile to disk. Renderd is designed to shutdown in this case. I am not sure though what could throw that exception on a regular basis though. I have tried to increase the information it spits out about why this is happening and if it is a normal exception, it should now also no longer exit. Can you try out the latest code and see if this helps figure out what is going on? Kai On 08/13/2013 12:05 AM, Jeff Meyer wrote: Hi Kai - I'm seeing this on a fairly regular basis on a server I'm working with. Renderd works fine for a while and then mysteriously exits. I'm highly suspect that it's anything with renderd, but I wanted to check in to see if you've seen this one before... Aug 12 22:14:18 hackercoop renderd[26814]: Received error when writing metatile to disk, requesting exit. Aug 12 23:53:48 hackercoop renderd[8859]: Received error when writing metatile to disk, requesting exit. Thanks, Jeff - -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question
Jochen - I think I've cleared it up - standard Ubuntu packages won't work for the install, but ppa:ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable works well. This is also why I wasn't finding the libgeos++-dev in Ubuntu... it's not there without this ppa. I'd add these two items to the front of the install process and any spatialite or boost issues should go away: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mapnik/v.2.2.0 The mapnik repo has a more up-to-date build of boost. - Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Ah, ok... I think I had to use some non-Ubuntu flavors to make some other packages work (PostGIS 2.0 comes to mind, but I installed that a ways back...). I'll try on a different box see what happens. Thanks! Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! it runs for me on a plain Ubuntu 12.04. Some library versions you have are different from what I have on that system. Did you install them yourself? Try using the versions supplied as Ubuntu packages. I think Osmium is the only library on that system that you need to install yourself, everything elseo should be okay out of the box. Jochen On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 08:18:47AM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:18:47 -0700 From: Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question I thought I was up to date, but perhaps some bindings or compile flags weren't set properly? Kernel 3.2.0-38-generic Ubuntu 12.04 (uname -a: Linux hackercoop 3.2.0-38-generic #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 19 12:18:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux gdal: 1.9.2 Boost is 1.49 Zlib is 1.28 $ spatialite --version SpatiaLite version ..: 4.1.1 Supported Extensions: - 'VirtualShape' [direct Shapefile access] - 'VirtualDbf' [direct DBF access] - 'VirtualText' [direct CSV/TXT access] - 'VirtualNetwork' [Dijkstra shortest path] - 'RTree' [Spatial Index - R*Tree] - 'MbrCache' [Spatial Index - MBR cache] - 'VirtualSpatialIndex' [R*Tree metahandler] - 'VirtualFDO' [FDO-OGR interoperability] - 'SpatiaLite' [Spatial SQL - OGC] PROJ.4 version ..: Rel. 4.8.0, 6 March 2012 GEOS version : 3.3.7-CAPI-1.7.7 3.7.9 2011-11-01 00:52:41 c7c6050ef060877ebe77b41d959e9df13f8c9b5e What other libraries should I include? Thanks! Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 01:25:47PM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: Does anyone have any experience with osmcoastline installations (Jochen, obviously!)? I'm getting the following error from runtest.sh after setup: $ ./runtest.sh Enabled debug option [ 0:00] Using SRS 4326 for output. (Change with the --srs/s option.) [ 0:00] Writing to output database 'testdata.db'. (Was set with the --output-database/-o option.) [ 0:00] Removing database output file (if it exists) (because you told me to with --overwrite/-f). [ 0:00] Will create geometry index. (If you do not want an index use --no-index/-i.) [12:54] Reading from file 'testdata.osm'. [12:54] Reading ways (1st pass through input file)... [12:54] There are 19 nodes where the coastline is not closed. [12:54] There are 36 coastline rings (16 from a single way and 20 from multiple ways). [12:54] Memory used currently: 205 MB (Peak was: 205 MB). [12:54] Reading nodes (2nd pass through input file)... ERROR 1: In CreateFeature(): sqlite3_prepare(INSERT INTO 'error_points' (GEOMETRY,osm_id,error) VALUES (?,?,?)): table error_points has no column named GEOMETRY Failed to create feature on layer 'error_points'. $ spatialite .schema error_points CREATE TABLE 'error_points' ( OGC_FID INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, 'osm_id' VARCHAR, 'error' VARCHAR); spatialite Not sure what's going on here, so thanks in advance for any help. Probably old spatialite and/or gdal lib. The spatialite format changed at some point and this leads to some confusion. You need GDAL 1.7 or later. If thats not the problem tell us something more about your setup (os version, lib versions etc.) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 -- Jeff Meyer Global World
Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question
I thought I was up to date, but perhaps some bindings or compile flags weren't set properly? Kernel 3.2.0-38-generic Ubuntu 12.04 (uname -a: Linux hackercoop 3.2.0-38-generic #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 19 12:18:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux gdal: 1.9.2 Boost is 1.49 Zlib is 1.28 $ spatialite --version SpatiaLite version ..: 4.1.1 Supported Extensions: - 'VirtualShape' [direct Shapefile access] - 'VirtualDbf' [direct DBF access] - 'VirtualText' [direct CSV/TXT access] - 'VirtualNetwork' [Dijkstra shortest path] - 'RTree' [Spatial Index - R*Tree] - 'MbrCache' [Spatial Index - MBR cache] - 'VirtualSpatialIndex' [R*Tree metahandler] - 'VirtualFDO' [FDO-OGR interoperability] - 'SpatiaLite' [Spatial SQL - OGC] PROJ.4 version ..: Rel. 4.8.0, 6 March 2012 GEOS version : 3.3.7-CAPI-1.7.7 3.7.9 2011-11-01 00:52:41 c7c6050ef060877ebe77b41d959e9df13f8c9b5e What other libraries should I include? Thanks! Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 01:25:47PM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: Does anyone have any experience with osmcoastline installations (Jochen, obviously!)? I'm getting the following error from runtest.sh after setup: $ ./runtest.sh Enabled debug option [ 0:00] Using SRS 4326 for output. (Change with the --srs/s option.) [ 0:00] Writing to output database 'testdata.db'. (Was set with the --output-database/-o option.) [ 0:00] Removing database output file (if it exists) (because you told me to with --overwrite/-f). [ 0:00] Will create geometry index. (If you do not want an index use --no-index/-i.) [12:54] Reading from file 'testdata.osm'. [12:54] Reading ways (1st pass through input file)... [12:54] There are 19 nodes where the coastline is not closed. [12:54] There are 36 coastline rings (16 from a single way and 20 from multiple ways). [12:54] Memory used currently: 205 MB (Peak was: 205 MB). [12:54] Reading nodes (2nd pass through input file)... ERROR 1: In CreateFeature(): sqlite3_prepare(INSERT INTO 'error_points' (GEOMETRY,osm_id,error) VALUES (?,?,?)): table error_points has no column named GEOMETRY Failed to create feature on layer 'error_points'. $ spatialite .schema error_points CREATE TABLE 'error_points' ( OGC_FID INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, 'osm_id' VARCHAR, 'error' VARCHAR); spatialite Not sure what's going on here, so thanks in advance for any help. Probably old spatialite and/or gdal lib. The spatialite format changed at some point and this leads to some confusion. You need GDAL 1.7 or later. If thats not the problem tell us something more about your setup (os version, lib versions etc.) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question
Ah, ok... I think I had to use some non-Ubuntu flavors to make some other packages work (PostGIS 2.0 comes to mind, but I installed that a ways back...). I'll try on a different box see what happens. Thanks! Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! it runs for me on a plain Ubuntu 12.04. Some library versions you have are different from what I have on that system. Did you install them yourself? Try using the versions supplied as Ubuntu packages. I think Osmium is the only library on that system that you need to install yourself, everything elseo should be okay out of the box. Jochen On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 08:18:47AM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:18:47 -0700 From: Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: dev@openstreetmap.org dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question I thought I was up to date, but perhaps some bindings or compile flags weren't set properly? Kernel 3.2.0-38-generic Ubuntu 12.04 (uname -a: Linux hackercoop 3.2.0-38-generic #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 19 12:18:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux gdal: 1.9.2 Boost is 1.49 Zlib is 1.28 $ spatialite --version SpatiaLite version ..: 4.1.1 Supported Extensions: - 'VirtualShape' [direct Shapefile access] - 'VirtualDbf' [direct DBF access] - 'VirtualText' [direct CSV/TXT access] - 'VirtualNetwork' [Dijkstra shortest path] - 'RTree' [Spatial Index - R*Tree] - 'MbrCache' [Spatial Index - MBR cache] - 'VirtualSpatialIndex' [R*Tree metahandler] - 'VirtualFDO' [FDO-OGR interoperability] - 'SpatiaLite' [Spatial SQL - OGC] PROJ.4 version ..: Rel. 4.8.0, 6 March 2012 GEOS version : 3.3.7-CAPI-1.7.7 3.7.9 2011-11-01 00:52:41 c7c6050ef060877ebe77b41d959e9df13f8c9b5e What other libraries should I include? Thanks! Jeff On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 01:25:47PM -0700, Jeff Meyer wrote: Does anyone have any experience with osmcoastline installations (Jochen, obviously!)? I'm getting the following error from runtest.sh after setup: $ ./runtest.sh Enabled debug option [ 0:00] Using SRS 4326 for output. (Change with the --srs/s option.) [ 0:00] Writing to output database 'testdata.db'. (Was set with the --output-database/-o option.) [ 0:00] Removing database output file (if it exists) (because you told me to with --overwrite/-f). [ 0:00] Will create geometry index. (If you do not want an index use --no-index/-i.) [12:54] Reading from file 'testdata.osm'. [12:54] Reading ways (1st pass through input file)... [12:54] There are 19 nodes where the coastline is not closed. [12:54] There are 36 coastline rings (16 from a single way and 20 from multiple ways). [12:54] Memory used currently: 205 MB (Peak was: 205 MB). [12:54] Reading nodes (2nd pass through input file)... ERROR 1: In CreateFeature(): sqlite3_prepare(INSERT INTO 'error_points' (GEOMETRY,osm_id,error) VALUES (?,?,?)): table error_points has no column named GEOMETRY Failed to create feature on layer 'error_points'. $ spatialite .schema error_points CREATE TABLE 'error_points' ( OGC_FID INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, 'osm_id' VARCHAR, 'error' VARCHAR); spatialite Not sure what's going on here, so thanks in advance for any help. Probably old spatialite and/or gdal lib. The spatialite format changed at some point and this leads to some confusion. You need GDAL 1.7 or later. If thats not the problem tell us something more about your setup (os version, lib versions etc.) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] osmcoastline install question
Does anyone have any experience with osmcoastline installations (Jochen, obviously!)? I'm getting the following error from runtest.sh after setup: $ ./runtest.sh Enabled debug option [ 0:00] Using SRS 4326 for output. (Change with the --srs/s option.) [ 0:00] Writing to output database 'testdata.db'. (Was set with the --output-database/-o option.) [ 0:00] Removing database output file (if it exists) (because you told me to with --overwrite/-f). [ 0:00] Will create geometry index. (If you do not want an index use --no-index/-i.) [12:54] Reading from file 'testdata.osm'. [12:54] Reading ways (1st pass through input file)... [12:54] There are 19 nodes where the coastline is not closed. [12:54] There are 36 coastline rings (16 from a single way and 20 from multiple ways). [12:54] Memory used currently: 205 MB (Peak was: 205 MB). [12:54] Reading nodes (2nd pass through input file)... ERROR 1: In CreateFeature(): sqlite3_prepare(INSERT INTO 'error_points' (GEOMETRY,osm_id,error) VALUES (?,?,?)): table error_points has no column named GEOMETRY Failed to create feature on layer 'error_points'. $ spatialite .schema error_points CREATE TABLE 'error_points' ( OGC_FID INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, 'osm_id' VARCHAR, 'error' VARCHAR); spatialite Not sure what's going on here, so thanks in advance for any help. Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Generating local apidb diff files questions
Hi - Any advice on generating a local set of APIdb diffs to support minutely editing feedback for a local rails instance? (www.openhistoricalmap.org) I believe I've found what I need to get started at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/Replication#Server-side_Replication and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm/diffs But... before I went off and started stubbing my toes, I wanted to check if there was anywhere else I should be looking. Any - _any_ - advice or questions (like, Why are you doing this?!?!?) are most welcome. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 OpenStreetMap: Mapping with a Human Touch http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Open Historical Map (OHM)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Osmosis error - node not present in table current_nodes - no bbox
Ok... still trying to solve this one. My primary machine is visiting the Genius Saloon, so I'm a little dead in the water right now. Couple of quick updates: - The two.pbf file from above failed its import, as well... : / -- The diff.osc of the two files yielded about 8300 objects, ~8000 relations (lots of rivers) and ~300 ways -- The same node (25918312) broke the import of two.pbf, as well as one.pbf, so it doesn't seem to have been disciplined appropriately. Bad node, bad node. - Comparing the output of my steps with osmfilter convert, following Markus's suggestions (thank you!) yielded the following: -- All steps, but without --drop-broken-refs = ~2GB -- All steps, without --drop-broken-refs = ~1.5GB -- Yikes! It seems that having ~25% broken refs means I'm doing something horribly wrong to the data. I'll keep hammering away to see what I can find out. Thanks again for your help patience! Regards, Jeff On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 PM, mar...@gmx.eu wrote: Hi, Frederik is right: It seems that you somehow managed to drop a node that is referenced by something. I would suspect the --drop option of osmfilter to be responsible for this: --drop=natural=wood waterway=drain or waterway=ditch or waterway=stream or leisure=park Maybe replacing --drop by the --keep option will do the trick: --keep=natural!=wood and waterway!=drain and waterway!=ditch and waterway!=stream and leisure!=park Furthermore, you could exclude every broken reference by using this option in osmconvert: --drop-broken-refs Regards Markus -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Osmosis error - node not present in table current_nodes - no bbox
After executing: $ osmosis --rb file=/home/historic/data/planet-natural.pbf --wd user=openstreetmap password=openstreetmap database=osm validateSchemaVersion=no I'm running into the following error: (full excerpt below) Caused by: org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: insert or update on table current_way_nodes violates foreign key constraint current_way_nodes_node_id_fkey Detail: Key (node_id)=(25918312) is not present in table current_nodes. Most of what I can find about this on the intrawebs indicates that this is typically a bbox-related issue, but I haven't used any bboxes to create my planet-natural file. (see steps below) Any guesses / suggestions / obvious things I'm missing? Here's the sequence I've used to generate the planet-natural.pbf file - my goal is to cut down the size of the file and retain only big waterways and natural features - just ways and relations, no nodes. I believe osmfilter should keep nodes required by ways and relations, but could be wrong there. $ osmconvert planet-121226.osm.pbf -o=planet.o5m $ ./osmfilter planet.o5m --drop-tags=created_by= nhd:*= yf:*= canvec:*= gnis:*= NHD:*= KSJ2:*= massgis:*= --drop-author --drop=natural=wood waterway=drain or waterway=ditch or waterway=stream or leisure=park -o=planet-natural-temp1.o5m $ ./osmfilter planet-natural-temp1.o5m --keep= --keep-ways=natural= or waterway= --keep-relations=natural= or waterway= -o=planet-natural-temp2.o5m $ ./osmconvert planet-natural-temp2.o5m -o=planet-natural.pbf Thanks, Jeff Osmosis error: SEVERE: Thread for task 1-rb failed org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: Unable to load current way nodes. at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.apidb.v0_6.ApidbWriter.populateCurrentWays(ApidbWriter.java:980) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.apidb.v0_6.ApidbWriter.populateCurrentTables(ApidbWriter.java:1031) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.apidb.v0_6.ApidbWriter.complete(ApidbWriter.java:1064) at crosby.binary.osmosis.OsmosisBinaryParser.complete(OsmosisBinaryParser.java:35) at crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:37) at crosby.binary.osmosis.OsmosisReader.run(OsmosisReader.java:45) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:679) Caused by: org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: insert or update on table current_way_nodes violates foreign key constraint current_way_nodes_node_id_fkey Detail: Key (node_id)=(25918312) is not present in table current_nodes. at org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.receiveErrorResponse(QueryExecutorImpl.java:2102) at org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.processResults(QueryExecutorImpl.java:1835) at org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.execute(QueryExecutorImpl.java:257) at org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.execute(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:500) at org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.executeWithFlags(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:388) at org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.execute(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:381) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.apidb.v0_6.ApidbWriter.populateCurrentWays(ApidbWriter.java:977) ... 6 more Jan 3, 2013 7:41:55 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis main SEVERE: Execution aborted. org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: One or more tasks failed. at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.Pipeline.waitForCompletion(Pipeline.java:146) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis.run(Osmosis.java:92) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis.main(Osmosis.java:37) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launchStandard(Launcher.java:329) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launch(Launcher.java:239) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.mainWithExitCode(Launcher.java:409) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:352) at org.codehaus.classworlds.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:47) -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Osmosis error - node not present in table current_nodes - no bbox
Thanks - I really appreciate the help! : ) Unfortunately, I tried that osmosis complained again. I'm going to try to generate the data using strictly osmosis (instead of osmconvert osmfilter) see what happens. $ osmosis --read-pbf planet-natural.pbf --tee 2 --write-pbf one.pbf --bb left=-180 right=180 top=90 bottom=-90 clipIncompleteEntities=true --write-pbf two.pbf Jan 3, 2013 6:06:22 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run INFO: Osmosis Version 0.40.1 Jan 3, 2013 6:06:22 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run INFO: Preparing pipeline. Jan 3, 2013 6:06:22 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run INFO: Launching pipeline execution. Jan 3, 2013 6:06:22 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run INFO: Pipeline executing, waiting for completion. Jan 3, 2013 6:15:50 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.ActiveTaskManager waitForCompletion SEVERE: Thread for task 1-read-pbf failed java.lang.NullPointerException at java.util.ArrayList.init(ArrayList.java:131) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.domain.v0_6.Way.init(Way.java:166) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.domain.v0_6.Way.getWriteableInstance(Way.java:361) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.container.v0_6.WayContainer.getWriteableInstance(WayContainer.java:79) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.areafilter.v0_6.AreaFilter.emitWay(AreaFilter.java:288) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.areafilter.v0_6.AreaFilter.process(AreaFilter.java:203) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.container.v0_6.WayContainer.process(WayContainer.java:60) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.areafilter.v0_6.AreaFilter.process(AreaFilter.java:116) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.tee.v0_6.EntityTee$ProxySinkSource.process(EntityTee.java:124) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.tee.v0_6.EntityTee.process(EntityTee.java:70) at crosby.binary.osmosis.OsmosisBinaryParser.parseWays(OsmosisBinaryParser.java:172) at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.parse(BinaryParser.java:121) at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.handleBlock(BinaryParser.java:68) at crosby.binary.file.FileBlock.process(FileBlock.java:135) at crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:34) at crosby.binary.osmosis.OsmosisReader.run(OsmosisReader.java:37) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:680) Jan 3, 2013 6:15:50 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis main SEVERE: Execution aborted. org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: One or more tasks failed. at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.Pipeline.waitForCompletion(Pipeline.java:146) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis.run(Osmosis.java:92) at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis.main(Osmosis.java:37) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launchStandard(Launcher.java:329) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launch(Launcher.java:239) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.mainWithExitCode(Launcher.java:409) at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:352) at org.codehaus.classworlds.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:47) $ On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 03.01.2013 21:02, Jeff Meyer wrote: Most of what I can find about this on the intrawebs indicates that this is typically a bbox-related issue, but I haven't used any bboxes to create my planet-natural file. (see steps below) It seems that you somehow managed to drop a node that is referenced by something. Try this: osmosis --read-pbf planet-natural.pbf --tee 2 --write-pbf one.pbf --bb left=-180 right=180 top=90 bottom=-90 clipIncompleteEntities=true --write-pbf two.pbf This will create two files which, if you have *no* dangling references, will be identical (and my hypothesis would then be wrong). If the files are not identical then the second will be minimally smaller, as objects in the second file that contained references to missing objects will have had those references deleted. The second file will then be safe to import. If the second file should turn out to be *much* smaller then it would make sense to make a diff (either write to xml and use unix diff, or use Osmosis --derive-changes) and find out what the problem is. My hunch is that you encountered something like a node tagged natural=wood (there are 25k of them) which was also a member of something you wanted to keep, and then you dropped that node or so. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/devhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas
Re: [OSM-dev] production site disk use question
Frederik, Sly - Thanks for that help! I clearly need to do something differently. Upped my VPS disk size the same action filled up the disk after using ~86GB. 1.7GB .pbf to 86GB+ apidb! Yikes! I've added some info warnings to the Rails Port page - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/The_Rails_Port#Populating_the_database Frederik - My guess is that I only need current tables - I'm setting up an instance of the OSM Stack to see how useful it might be for creating a shared environment for mapping cities and territories through history. ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM-Historic) My plan was to take the shorelines and natural features out of planet.osm, use that as a baseline, and then let people add historical information from there, as well as figuring out what tools need to be built to support this time-enabled concept. So, it seems like I'll need both the history the current tables. In a non-history planet.osm extract, should those tables be the same in an initial import? Thanks! Jeff On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 31.12.2012 18:25, Jeff Meyer wrote: For example, I just tried importing a 1.7GB planet-reduced.pbf into my rails port osm db and it failed after ~30 hrs because I ran out of disk space after it had eaten up 50GB of disk. Bad planning on my part, but how should I budget for this? In addition to Sly's data: A typical apidb setup has two sets of tables - current tables that have only the last version of each object, and history tables that contain every version (they don't have history in the name - the current nodes table is called current_nodes, and the history nodes table is called just nodes). This means that if you import data from a non-history planet into an apidb database, you'll have everyting twice. Depending on what you want to do with the data, you might really need that - or you might not. For example, if you wanted to run a read-only API that gives you data for a given bbox, only the current tables are required. For some other types of queries, only the history tables are be required. So it might be possible for you to take a shortcut by importing things only once. Osmosis has an option called populateCurrentTables which is on by default, but you can switch that off and it will only create history tables. If you have an use case that only needs current tables, then Osmosis doesn't offer that but you could actually achieve that by creating views on the history tables, instead of copies. This will save time and space; of course if you do that then you can't apply updates to your database without breaking the views. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/devhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] production site disk use question
Mike, Frederik - Muchas gracias happy new year! I'm going to need to go back to the drawing board a bit. I started this experiment on AWS, then switched to Linode, but may need to go back to AWS. It seems like running the OSM stack has some bursty processing dynamics that might be better suited with flexible compute disk capacity. I have a feeling that the most effective tiling strategy might involve a hybrid of some slower tiling for editors to see their changes and static tiles / mbtiles type approach for general viewing, but that's probably fodder for a different thread... Thanks more to follow, Jeff On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 01.01.2013 18:52, Jeff Meyer wrote: So, it seems like I'll need both the history the current tables. In a non-history planet.osm extract, Yes, if you want any kind of write access *and* read access through the API (instead of reading with specialised queries) then I guess you'll need both. The current tables always duplicate stuff that is in the history tables already, and in theory you could always make queries of the kind where version=(select max(version) ...) against the history tables to get the same you find in the current tables, but that would be too expensive. should those tables be the same in an initial import? Yes, with the exception that foreign keys contain the version number in the history tables but not in the current tables (since the current tables only contain ONE way ID #1234, the current_way_tags can afford to reference only the way ID, whereas in the history table it must reference way ID and version). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[osmosis-dev] production site disk use question
Are there any rules of thumb about Postgres disk requirements when importing osm data? For example, I just tried importing a 1.7GB planet-reduced.pbf into my rails port osm db and it failed after ~30 hrs because I ran out of disk space after it had eaten up 50GB of disk. Bad planning on my part, but how should I budget for this? e.g. a 30GB .osm file will probably take 2x that when the import is finished? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
[OSM-dev] production site disk use question
Are there any rules of thumb about Postgres disk requirements when importing osm data? For example, I just tried importing a 1.7GB planet-reduced.pbf into my rails port osm db and it failed after ~30 hrs because I ran out of disk space after it had eaten up 50GB of disk. Bad planning on my part, but how should I budget for this? e.g. a 30GB .osm file will probably take 2x that when the import is finished? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [osmosis-dev] Osmosis use q: points showing up in results after --used-node
Aha... I believe I was missing this: ... --tf accept-relations natural=* ... The spurious nodes appear to all have been part of relations that weren't wiped out by the prior steps. Please let me know if I've missed anything else obvious to the trained eye. Thanks! Jeff On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Hi - I'm seeing individual nodes where I don't think I should be seeing any in this file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/95199267/seattle-natural.osm It was generated by: $ osmosis --rb planet-120926.osm.pbf --bb left=-122.53 bottom=47.34 right=-122.06 top=47.79 top=49.5138 --write-xml seattle.osm $ osmosis --rx seattle.osm --tf accept-ways natural=* --used-node --wx seattle-natural.osm There seem to be plenty of non-natural single nodes - bus stations, traffic lights, turn restrictions, etc. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
[osmosis-dev] Osmosis use q: points showing up in results after --used-node
Hi - I'm seeing individual nodes where I don't think I should be seeing any in this file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/95199267/seattle-natural.osm It was generated by: $ osmosis --rb planet-120926.osm.pbf --bb left=-122.53 bottom=47.34 right=-122.06 top=47.79 top=49.5138 --write-xml seattle.osm $ osmosis --rx seattle.osm --tf accept-ways natural=* --used-node --wx seattle-natural.osm There seem to be plenty of non-natural single nodes - bus stations, traffic lights, turn restrictions, etc. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] iD alpha0
W0-oo-0t! On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Saman, John, Alex, Richard, Martin -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Troubleshooting 500 errors
Any tips on how to track down Rails Port configuration problems? I've clearly horqued something up in trying to get a production server going using Passenger (it was working in development, port:3000, etc.). http://hosm.gwhat.org/ Related config files: https://gist.github.com/3f5ab7ef348898d2e8bf Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Troubleshooting 500 errors
smacks forehead Yes... logs/production.log. Clearly, I'm up too late. I'll chase this down further. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 19/12/12 08:40, Jeff Meyer wrote: Any tips on how to track down Rails Port configuration problems? Well looking at logs/production.log is your first point of call. If that shows nothing then try the Apache error log as it probably means Passenger failed to start rails. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Troubleshooting 500 errors
Updated Passenger Installation instructions at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rails_port/Ubuntu#Installing_Passenger - Jeff On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: smacks forehead Yes... logs/production.log. Clearly, I'm up too late. I'll chase this down further. Thanks! On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 19/12/12 08:40, Jeff Meyer wrote: Any tips on how to track down Rails Port configuration problems? Well looking at logs/production.log is your first point of call. If that shows nothing then try the Apache error log as it probably means Passenger failed to start rails. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Rails Port hosting Qs
Anyone have any advice on hosting the Rails Port? I'm looking at setting up a sandbox for Historical OSM and am both impressed and daunted by the range of hosting options available. I've installed it on AWS, but it seems a little on the steep side ($$) for 24x7 operations. I realize every option has strengths weaknesses but am hoping to avoid any mistakes that would be obvious to the adept. I'm leaning toward a VPS type of setup on something like Linode ( www.linode.com - 1GB plan). VPS seems to provide flexibility that some of the rails-specific hosting sites limit, as well as being generally cheaper. I'm planning to seed the db with shoreline information not much else. Any lessons learned, experiences, etc. will be added to the wiki. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Rails Port hosting Qs
Ah, yes - good idea. Will do! : ) Thanks, Jeff On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:01:06 -0800 Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: I'm planning to seed the db with shoreline information not much else. I would add water courses as well, throughout history they have been used as boundaries, both physical and spiritual. mick ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [Imports] addressmerge 0.1 release
Paul - Thanks for this - we'll take a look at it / test it with the Seattle Import data report back with lessons learned! Thanks, Jeff On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: For the last couple of weeks I've been working on addressmerge, a tool to post-process address data by comparing it with existing OSM data. I have pushed release 0.1 to https://github.com/pnorman/addressmerge Currently it will take a file in importable .osm format, compare it with existing OSM data in an imposm database and create a resulting importable .osm file with address nodes that duplicate existing data removed. It will correctly handle addresses on building ways, multipolygons and anything else in the OSM data. It does not currently handle addresses on objects other than nodes in the import data. Requirements: An imposm database imposm.parser python-lxml psycopg2 Limitations: It relies on imposm.parser which breaks on some XML files. To fix this try running xmllint --format original.osm reformatted.osm It omits any ways or relations in the input file, relevant or not. The documentation is currently very minimal. I intend to make it handle other common address formats aside from addresses is a decent amount more complicated. ___ Imports mailing list impo...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Available Languages on wiki. and real estate
Not sure where to file tickets for the wiki / discuss changes to the wiki,
but I'm wondering if there's any way to make the Available Languages bar
at the top of many pages collapsed by default. It seems to eat a lot of
valuable screen real estate and is in the way of page content.
Here's what seems suboptimal to me...
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s266/sh/a9bcb911-39e3-477f-b4b4-7cbc27dfcc01/381b8c9e41fd5c08c8ead38bec0b4807
Here's the ticket I was going to file (but cannot figure out (a) where to
file it; and (b) where the code is underlying the wiki code below...):
-
Use of this code:
{{Languages|ns=|Main Page}}
at the top of many wiki pages ends up eating up a ton of valuable real
estate at the top of each page - see:
Any alternative that reduces the amount of vertical screen space for this
information would be great. For example, why not collapse the list by
default, the same way Other Languages are currently collapsed by default.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: [OSM-dev] Available Languages on wiki. and real estate
Done - thanks, Andy. https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4675 Now... to figure out how to do this... On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 17:25, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Here's the ticket I was going to file (but cannot figure out (a) where to file it; and (b) where the code is underlying the wiki code below...): Tickets can be filed in trac.openstreetmap.org (component is 'wiki') Any alternative that reduces the amount of vertical screen space for this information would be great. For example, why not collapse the list by default, the same way Other Languages are currently collapsed by default. I like the way that wikipedia does it (by using the sidebar) but I'm not sure if there's any technical reasons why we're doing it differently. Cheers, Andy -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Available Languages on wiki. and real estate
Hi Tobias - Thanks for the background - it's very helpful! Moving to MediaWiki looks like it'll be a step in the right direction. However, it implements the language switcher in a way consistent with what I'm suggesting - please see the upper-right corner of this page for an example: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate Perhaps users should be allowed to have it collapsed or expanded by default? While I appreciate your suggestion, 100% of wiki users are currently impacted by a control that eats up 5-6 lines (15-20% of the vertical screen space on a 1400x900 display) but that could be solved with a discretely-located 2 word toggle for some large % of the users who use other languages. (e.g. English/Deutsch or Italiano/中文（繁體）http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate#) I'm guessing that there aren't a lot of people bouncing across more than 2 languages at a time. So, my premise is not that this isn't important, just that the way it's implemented is inefficient. (Others would add that the current language bar is a bit messy makes things like the home page less friendly to newcomers, but I think those are tightly coupled with efficiency...) Thanks, Jeff On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 08.11.2012 19:03, Jeff Meyer wrote: https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4675 Now... to figure out how to do this... As I've commented on the ticket, this might not be the best point in time for fine-tuning the visual aspect of the translations. There has been discussion about using the MediaWiki Translate extension for better handling of translations and installation of this extension is scheduled for the next software upgrade: http://wiki.osm.org/Talk:Wiki_Translation#Translate_extension More generally, though, I feel slightly uncomfortable with your suggestions to free valuable real estate or even collapse the list by default. Most of our wiki content is not available in all languages, and realistically will never be. (Many pages are not even expected to be translated, such as proposals.) So switching between languages will inevitably happen quite often for every user who wants to neither miss out on a lot of wiki content nor go English only. Yes, it makes sense to think about a language link redesign. However, it should not be based on the premise that these aren't important, and for practical reasons I would prefer to wait until the technical foundations of the translation system are in place. Tobias ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[osmosis-dev] Osmosis OSM wiki content
Hi - n00b here. There's a lot of good content on the wiki about Osmosis, but as a new guy (fng), it seems like it could be organized a little more cleanly. I've put together some suggestions at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Osmosis#Wiki_Osmosis_organization The intent isn't to change things too much, and certainly not to delete anything, but to consolidate similar information and reduce redundancy of page purpose a little. If there's support and/or suggestions of alternate approaches, I'd be glad to take care of it. If it's a bad idea, I'll sit tight. Also... if this isn't the right way to propose wiki mods, please let me know. Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
Re: [osmosis-dev] Osmosis OSM wiki content
Brett - good feedback. Yes, the detailed usage page is *hands off* - it's in great shape. - Jeff On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Brett Henderson br...@bretth.com wrote: Hi Jeff, On 22 October 2012 08:10, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Hi - n00b here. There's a lot of good content on the wiki about Osmosis, but as a new guy (fng), it seems like it could be organized a little more cleanly. I've put together some suggestions at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Osmosis#Wiki_Osmosis_organization The intent isn't to change things too much, and certainly not to delete anything, but to consolidate similar information and reduce redundancy of page purpose a little. If there's support and/or suggestions of alternate approaches, I'd be glad to take care of it. If it's a bad idea, I'll sit tight. Also... if this isn't the right way to propose wiki mods, please let me know. There's no right way to propose anything, this seems like as good a way as any :-) Regarding the wiki structure, about the only page I really care about is the detailed usage page because it is the one page that I try to keep 100% accurate and up to date. I'm very hesitant to split it up, re-arrange it, etc. I take your point about the name detailed usage reading more like a man page than a usage page, it's just a name that seemed like a good idea at the time. I like the content of the page, but I don't particularly care what it's called. As for the rest of the pages, I haven't been a great curator of the wiki so I won't get in the way of somebody trying to improve it. I'm also not the best judge of what users need to know. There is a bunch of stuff on there, some better organised than others. The various examples are based on whatever people have found useful at the time so it's grown fairly organically. In particular some of the older stuff like API 0.5 support, Java 1.5 support, Notes, etc are a bit distracting and could possibly move elsewhere. Brett -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
