Re: [OSM-dev] start of the wikipedia import into open streetmap
On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:18 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > > I would like to be able to at least find the towns that are not in osm > and put them on a list of places to add. > The same with the historical monuments. We have one gps that i > sponsored and are getting another from drlizau, so we can send someone > to go there if we know they are missing. > That should be fair use of the wikipedia. Yes, because the only information in Wikipedia which is in question is the exact lat/lon pairs. If there isn't already a matching POI of the expected type in OSM, then make a list and send people out to get the location. I'm guessing that just one guy could do it for the whole country in about six months. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] shortlink
We now have shortlinks on osm.org, e.g. http://osm.org/go/WKW5SAtP Can the code which does the expansion into a full openstreetmap.org URL look at the Referer: header? And if the Referer: field is the openstreetmap.org page from which the URL was created, show the user a page which has the shortlink URL? I'm at least nominally on vacation until SOTM. Bonus points if you can cause it to be pre-highlighted like tinyurl does. Double bonus points and a free beer at SOTM if we can shortlink to Wiki pages, too! -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Deleting TIGER node tags
On Jun 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Stellan Lagerstrom wrote: > Greg Stark wrote: >> Also, are ways actually entirely in one county or another? It seems >> to >> me they would often span borders. >> >> > That is how they are reported to the census bureau. Every county > reports > on the parts of roads that lie within its borders. > They rarely match up exactly enough at the boundary for the import > to be > able to join them up. Where the TIGER data is in good shape, they do line up exactly. I can point you to some examples. Can you point me to some examples where they don't line up? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] A new take on the "mutable" idea
On Jun 21, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > > we went over this before: if it isn't editable, it shouldn't be in > OSM. And yet state and county borders are already in OSM. You seem to not be paying attention to my point: that if we DON'T have these important legal boundaries in OSM, people will add them. Don't believe me? Try deleting the New York State border with Pennsylvania, and see how long it takes for somebody to revert your edit, or worse, add it back in as a new set of nodes and ways. Yes, I acknowledge your point about people being able to edit things, and being able to verify things on the ground. If (as I assert) it's not possible to keep these things out of the map, shouldn't we take steps to ensure that when they're in the map, they're as correct as they can be? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] A new take on the "mutable" idea
On Jun 21, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> However, we'll have more and more imports like boundaries, seamarks >> and so on, which I like to consider "mutable for people who know >> exactly what they're doing". > > Is this actually a real-world problem right now, or something we > think might > possibly one day become one? Legal boundaries *aren't* a real-world problem right now? We need to have them in OSM otherwise people will start adding them. And yet, if the data came from an import from the governmental body responsible for maintaining the legal description, what justification could anybody have for changing them (pace anarchists, but even anarchists will recognize land registries as long as they're voluntary). -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] A new take on the "mutable" idea
On Jun 19, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > or alternatively make it easy to spot whether such data may > have been changed by accident. There are a lot of reasons to have this facility. It matches in concept with Wikipedia's "watchlist". -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] finding OSM users by their home locations
On May 31, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Matt Amos wrote: > >> in my opinion it's evil to contact users who haven't opted in to be >> contacted. it's a valid point of view that they implicitly opted in, >> but i don't think this is what most users intended when they added a >> home location - it's certainly not what i intended. > > I'm not sure it's a valid point of view beyond the current assumption: > You want to hear from other OSM users trying to contact you, without > necessarily revealing contact information. It's generally OK to > assume > people want to hear from other humans, but not OK to assume they want > automated or bulk messages without them opting in first. I think > trying > to push beyond that might result in folks reporting OSM messages as > spam, which is an annoying and sometimes expensive problem to fix. > Err > on the conservative side of sending things en masse or automatically > unless it's been specifically requested. On the other hand, OSM is a community and it's fair to contact OSM users about OSM events. So, what I've been doing to err on the conservative side, as Paul suggests, is to send email only to people who have 1) edited near 2) their home as they've marked it in OSM. The intersection of 1) editors near the party and 2) home users near the party is about 1/8th as large as the union. I think that's reasonably conservative. Unless we have a consensus for me to stop, I will continue this practice and help my fellow ambassies (it's a new word. If nobody ever makes up new words, and we keep wearing out the old ones, we'll end up just grunting at each other) use it too. It will result in less email sent, so is an overall decrease in any evil as Matt describes it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] finding OSM users by their home locations
On May 31, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Matt Amos wrote: > > if we want to keep the map on the users' pages showing the nearest > other users to them, we might as well offer this data publicly. as > russ said, it's one script and a bunch of server load away from being > public anyway. Right. If we want to protect people's privacy, then we should change the map on the users' pages. We shouldn't claim to protect people's privacy and then do so ineffectually. > in my opinion it's evil to contact users who haven't opted in to be > contacted. it's a valid point of view that they implicitly opted in, > but i don't think this is what most users intended when they added a > home location - it's certainly not what i intended. By this principle, nobody -- not any individual editor, not the OSMF -- can send email to any user. And yet, OSM has an email system, and people are encouraged to use it to ask users about their edits. > i like jochen's idea of being able to additionally put in a bbox (or > maybe several) that are "areas of interest - please contact me about > OSM activities in this area". we could then make the users' home > locations private, +1 And then create a way to "Send an email to a location" which gets archived so that people who come along later can see earlier messages posted to that location. If we could get those bounding boxes (to protect privacy, without usernames), that could also let us find the places in which nobody (or few people) are interested. If there are holes in the interest level, then the map isn't going to be very good in those locations. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] finding OSM users by their home locations
The OSM webserver will tell you the ten people with home locations closest to your home location. It would be useful to be able to get more than that, for the purpose of inviting people to attend mapping parties so they can become more effective and enthusiastic OSM contributors. If you move your home location to the location of the mapping party, you can get ten people, and if you move it around some more, you can get more than just those ten. So, being intolerant of boring, repetitive activities, I've written a program to find OSM users by their home location. You give it a lat,lon, and the radius in degrees of the circle in which you want to find people, and it repeatedly changes your home location until it's gotten everyone. Is this program a good thing or a bad thing? If it's a good thing, then great, I'll use it. If it's a bad thing, then how do we stop other people less cooperative than myself from writing the same program? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[josm-dev] style && TIGER
I've made a slight change to my style file so that ways which have tiger:reviewed are rendered specially. It's important that people review the TIGER data because it's not so reliable. I'd like to get this into JOSM. Should I just submit a patch? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Cloudmade supports http://openstreetmap.org/ 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] "Add nodes" functionality changed?
Stefan Breunig writes: > So far, only 4 people are complaining. Doesn't sound heavily used to me. Oh, I thought that proper functionality was going to be restored, so I didn't bother complaining. :-) I can see that the functionality is still there -- just hit escape between every click -- but the use case of shift-click, shift-click, shift-click, shift-click to create a bunch of unconnected nodes -- is not satisfied by needing to hit escape every time. How often do I do that? When I've got a bunch of POIs to create from waymarks and want to create them at once, and then tag them en mass (e.g. churches). -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Cloudmade supports http://openstreetmap.org/ 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM Fail
Petr Nejedly writes: > Well, as long as Undo is reliable, making useful feature harder to > use/discover > is a nonsense. "I helped her find Undo." scares me a bit, though. > Ctrl+Z works all around the world and it's even listed in the Edit menu as > usual. She moved the way back where it was. (but of course she didn't move it *exactly* back where it was.) But while we can teach people, we need to understand that they have a certain level of computer skillset, and need to work with them at their level. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Tasks for all of you
Shaun McDonald writes: > One option might be to manually make one and use one of the > development test servers at > http://apis.dev.openstreetmap.org to test it. > > (Yes it will mean messing with XML manually). This sounds like the best way to test it. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do what you suggest. Could you go into more detail, or else just set it up yourself? Is it sufficient to simply pick a node out of a way and then delete it manually by calling the API directly? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | Delegislation is a slippery Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | slope to prosperity. 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | Fewer laws, more freedom. Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | (Not a GOP supporter). ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Tasks for all of you
Dirk Stöcker writes: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Russ Nelson wrote: > > > I'm not certain it's correct to change the other calls: > > > > In io/OsmServerObjectReader.java, it's reading from the API. Will the > > API ever hand out ways without their nodes? > > > > Same for io/OsmServerLocationReader.java and io/BoundingBoxDownloader.java. > > I think so. If I remember correctly I added that report because the API > didn't give me a certain way. But as I cannot be sure probably adding the > request at all places is the best. Hrm. I don't like submitting a patch that I haven't tested. Does anybody know of a way which is missing a node? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | Delegislation is a slippery Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | slope to prosperity. 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | Fewer laws, more freedom. Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | (Not a GOP supporter). ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
