Re: OSGi Bundles for services

2017-02-22 Thread Peter

Hmm,  ASCII keeps getting scrubbed, so here it is:


  SERVER JVM


__
   |  |
   |  Service |
   |  API Bundle  |
   |__|
  |
  |
   Imports
 API
   Packages
  |
  |
    __|___
||   Imports packages  |  |
|   Service Bundle   |<| Proxy Bundle |---EP
|   Implements   |  from proxy |__|   |
|   Proxy API||
|||
  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
  N
  E
   CLIENT JVM T
  W
  O
__R
   |  |   K
||   Imports packages  |  Service |   |
|  Management Agent  |<|  API Bundle  |   |
|  Discovers &   |   from API  |__|   |
|  Registers service ||   |
|||   |
   Imports|
 API  |
   Packages   |
  |   |
  |   |
__|___|
   |  |   |
   | Proxy Bundle |---EP
   |__|



Note other package imports omitted for clarity.

On 23/02/2017 3:26 PM, Peter wrote:
I've attached some ASCII of the relationship between server and client 
jvm bundles.


The ClassLoader at the server is set using the invocation layer 
factory (a configuration item).


The client ClassLoader is determined during delayed unmarshalling and 
smart proxy bundle provisioning.


This ensures that deserialization at each endpoint has a compatible 
view of classes (as recently discussed on osgi-dev).


It's important at this time to distinguish between remote objects and 
remote services, registered with a lookup service.


A remote service must have a proxy bundle for OSGi.  The proxy bundle 
manifest determines requirements and wiring to package import 
versions.  This includes dynamic proxy based services.


For arguments sake, a remote object becomes a remote service when it 
is registered with a lookup service.


A remote object isn't registered with a lookup service.  Listeners are 
typically remote objects.  In OSGi, it is advisable for remote objects 
to be dynamic proxy's without a codebase.  Remote Object proxy's will 
be deserialized into the remote endpoint's nominated ClassLoader.  For 
example, if it is transferred via a service, the remote object's 
dynamic proxy stub will be loaded into the service's proxy bundle 
ClassLoader in the server jvm.


As Nic pointed out earlier, Bundle ClassLoader's are not instances of 
URLClassLoader and lack codebase annotations as a result.


With the above rules in place, there is no need to create a custom 
RMIClassLoaderSpi specific to OSGi.


With the above rules in place, it does open up an opportunity to use a 
remote object (eg a listener) with a conventional codebase as Mic had 
requested.   This would use the PreferredClassProvider infrastructure, 
so the remote object proxy PreferredClassLoader would utilise the 
services server jvm proxy bundle ClassLoader as it's parent.  This 
style of remote object should not be registered as a remote service.


I would probably discourage this use ca

Re: OSGi Bundles for services

2017-02-22 Thread Peter


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From: Peter 
Sent: 23/02/2017 03:26:15 pm
To: dev@river.apache.org 
Subject: OSGi Bundles for services

I've attached some ASCII of the relationship between server and client jvm 
bundles.

The ClassLoader at the server is set using the invocation layer factory (a 
configuration item).

The client ClassLoader is determined during delayed unmarshalling and smart 
proxy bundle provisioning.

This ensures that deserialization at each endpoint has a compatible view of 
classes (as recently discussed on osgi-dev).

It's important at this time to distinguish between remote objects and remote 
services, registered with a lookup service.

A remote service must have a proxy bundle for OSGi.  The proxy bundle manifest 
determines requirements and wiring to package import versions.  This includes 
dynamic proxy based services.

For arguments sake, a remote object becomes a remote service when it is 
registered with a lookup service.

A remote object isn't registered with a lookup service.  Listeners are 
typically remote objects.  In OSGi, it is advisable for remote objects to be 
dynamic proxy's without a codebase.  Remote Object proxy's will be deserialized 
into the remote endpoint's nominated ClassLoader.  For example, if it is 
transferred via a service, the remote object's dynamic proxy stub will be 
loaded into the service's proxy bundle ClassLoader in the server jvm.

As Nic pointed out earlier, Bundle ClassLoader's are not instances of 
URLClassLoader and lack codebase annotations as a result.

With the above rules in place, there is no need to create a custom 
RMIClassLoaderSpi specific to OSGi.

With the above rules in place, it does open up an opportunity to use a remote 
object (eg a listener) with a conventional codebase as Mic had requested.   
This would use the PreferredClassProvider infrastructure, so the remote object 
proxy PreferredClassLoader would utilise the services server jvm proxy bundle 
ClassLoader as it's parent.  This style of remote object should not be 
registered as a remote service.

I would probably discourage this use case, except for advanced users.

I think we need to make a distinction between remote services and remote 
objects for OSGi.

This is a very practical solution for OSGi.

Regards,

Peter.


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OSGi Bundles for services

2017-02-22 Thread Peter
I've attached some ASCII of the relationship between server and client jvm 
bundles.

The ClassLoader at the server is set using the invocation layer factory (a 
configuration item).

The client ClassLoader is determined during delayed unmarshalling and smart 
proxy bundle provisioning.

This ensures that deserialization at each endpoint has a compatible view of 
classes (as recently discussed on osgi-dev).

It's important at this time to distinguish between remote objects and remote 
services, registered with a lookup service.

A remote service must have a proxy bundle for OSGi  The proxy bundle manifest 
determines requirements and wiring to package import versions.  This includes 
dynamic proxy based services.

For arguments sake, a remote object becomes a remote service when it is 
registered with a lookup service.

A remote object isn't registered with a lookup service.  Listeners are 
typically remote objects.  In OSGi, it is advisable for remote objects to be 
dynamic proxy's without a codebase.  Remote Object proxy's will be deserialized 
into the remote endpoint's nominated ClassLoader.  For example, if it is 
transferred via a service, the remote object's dynamic proxy stub will be 
loaded into the service's proxy bundle ClassLoader in the server jvm.

As Nic pointed out earlier, Bundle ClassLoader's are not instances of 
URLClassLoader and lack codebase annotations as a result.

With the above rules in place, there is no need to create a custom 
RMIClassLoaderSpi specific to OSGi.

With the above rules in place, it does open up an opportunity to use a remote 
object (eg a listener) with a conventional codebase as Mic had requested.   
This would use the PreferredClassProvider infrastructure, so the remote object 
proxy PreferredClassLoader would utilise the services server jvm proxy bundle 
ClassLoader as it's parent.  This style of remote object should not be 
registered as a remote service.

I would probably discourage this use case, except for advanced users.

I think we need to make a distinction between remote services and remote 
objects for OSGi.

This is a very practical solution for OSGi.

Regards,

Peter.


Sent from my Samsung device.