Re: Remove the IRC channels
On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 12:35 PM Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > Den sön 5 maj 2024 kl 11:42 skrev Stefan Sperling : > >> On Sun, May 05, 2024 at 11:20:28AM +0200, Daniel Sahlberg wrote: >> > What about this new topic for #svn? >> > >> > [[[ >> > The Apache® Subversion® version control system ( >> > https://subversion.apache.org/) | Read the book: >> http://www.svnbook.org/ | >> > FAQ: https://subversion.apache.org/faq.html | This channel has limited >> use, >> > if you have questions please ask on the mailing list >> > https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#users-ml >> > ]]] >> > >> > And for #svn-dev: >> > >> > [[[ >> > Development of Apache® Subversion® (https://subversion.apache.org/) | >> This >> > channel has limited use, if you have questions please ask on the mailing >> > list https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#dev-ml >> > ]]] >> >> Reads well. Fine with me! >> > > Thank you, and also thanks to Nathan for reviewing the changes to the > website. > > I have updated the topics as above and I've also merged the website > changes in r1917520. > > I believe that is everything, but if you find something else, just let me > know. > > Kind regards, > Daniel > Thanks Daniel for taking care of it and to Stefan for your thoughts and review. Another advantage of this change is that it removes some other administrative headaches like restarting the CommitBot when it freezes, etc. Cheers, Nathan
Re: Remove the IRC channels
Den sön 5 maj 2024 kl 11:42 skrev Stefan Sperling : > On Sun, May 05, 2024 at 11:20:28AM +0200, Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > > What about this new topic for #svn? > > > > [[[ > > The Apache® Subversion® version control system ( > > https://subversion.apache.org/) | Read the book: http://www.svnbook.org/ > | > > FAQ: https://subversion.apache.org/faq.html | This channel has limited > use, > > if you have questions please ask on the mailing list > > https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#users-ml > > ]]] > > > > And for #svn-dev: > > > > [[[ > > Development of Apache® Subversion® (https://subversion.apache.org/) | > This > > channel has limited use, if you have questions please ask on the mailing > > list https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#dev-ml > > ]]] > > Reads well. Fine with me! > Thank you, and also thanks to Nathan for reviewing the changes to the website. I have updated the topics as above and I've also merged the website changes in r1917520. I believe that is everything, but if you find something else, just let me know. Kind regards, Daniel
Re: svn commit: r1917512 - in /subversion/site/staging: ./ docs/community-guide/
On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 4:27 AM wrote: > > Author: dsahlberg > Date: Sun May 5 08:27:07 2024 > New Revision: 1917512 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1917512&view=rev > Log: > In site/staging: > > Remove references to the IRC channels > > * contributing.html, docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html, > docs/community-guide/general.part.html, > docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt, > docs/community-guide/issues.part.html, > docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html, faq.ja.html, > faq.zh.html > (various sections): As above > > * faq.html > (more-information): As above > (irc): New section explaining why the IRC channels disappeared > > Discussed on dev@ > https://lists.apache.org/thread/pjxppcnt1b5zcbph3181hlb56rbo77wf > > > > Modified: > subversion/site/staging/contributing.html > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html > > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html > subversion/site/staging/faq.html > subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html > subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html > > Modified: subversion/site/staging/contributing.html > URL: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/contributing.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff > == > --- subversion/site/staging/contributing.html (original) > +++ subversion/site/staging/contributing.html Sun May 5 08:27:07 2024 > @@ -43,7 +43,7 @@ > > Participate in the mailing lists > There are href="https://subversion.apache.org/faq#more-information";> > - mailing lists, IRC channels and forums > + mailing lists > you can join to discuss Subversion. These are an > excellent source for users and contributors interested in > having technical discussions, answering questions, or resolving > > Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html > URL: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff > == > --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html > (original) > +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html Sun > May 5 08:27:07 2024 > @@ -893,12 +893,8 @@ necessary. > > > > - This not only helps put developers in the right frame of mind for > -reading the rest of the log message, but also plays well with the > -"ASFBot" bot that echoes the first line of each commit to realtime > -forums like IRC. (For details, see > -https://wilderness.apache.org/";>https://wilderness.apache.org/ > -) > + This helps put developers in the right frame of mind for > +reading the rest of the log message. > > If the commit is just one simple change to one file, then you can > dispense with the general description and simply go straight to the > > Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html > URL: > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff > == > --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html (original) > +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html Sun May 5 > 08:27:07 2024 > @@ -20,20 +20,9 @@ A number of Subversion's developers are > improve Subversion, while many others are simply excellent volunteers > who are interested in building a better version control system. > > -The community exists mainly through IRC, mailing lists and a > +The community exists mainly through mailing lists and a > Subversion repository. To participate: > > - > - > -Join us on irc.libera.chat in the #svn-dev channel (use the > -https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#svn-dev";>web interface or > -https://matrix.to/#/#svn-dev:libera.chat";>Matrix or > -any IRC software; archived > -https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/svn-dev";>here). > - > - > - > - > Join the "dev", "commits", and "announce" mailing lists. > The dev list, dev@subversion.apache.org, is where almost all > discussion takes place. All development questions should go > @@ -685,17 +674,15 @@ have an svn client, http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff > == > --- > subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt > (original) > +++ > s
Re: Remove the IRC channels
On Sun, May 05, 2024 at 11:20:28AM +0200, Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > What about this new topic for #svn? > > [[[ > The Apache® Subversion® version control system ( > https://subversion.apache.org/) | Read the book: http://www.svnbook.org/ | > FAQ: https://subversion.apache.org/faq.html | This channel has limited use, > if you have questions please ask on the mailing list > https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#users-ml > ]]] > > And for #svn-dev: > > [[[ > Development of Apache® Subversion® (https://subversion.apache.org/) | This > channel has limited use, if you have questions please ask on the mailing > list https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#dev-ml > ]]] Reads well. Fine with me!
Re: Remove the IRC channels
sön 5 maj 2024 kl. 05:57 skrev Nathan Hartman : > On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 4:15 PM Stefan Sperling wrote: > >> On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Daniel Sahlberg wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I’m personally not an IRC user but I try to keep an eye on the IRC logs. >> > For personal reasons I haven’t had time to do since the start of the >> year >> > but I spent some time tonight to browse the archives. >> > >> > Since January there were somewhere between 5 and 10 persons asking >> > questions and NO ONE got a timely reply. On the other hand we have had a >> > slow but steady stream of questions on users@ and they have received >> > replies from different members of the community. >> > >> > I think the lack of replies on IRC reflects badly on the community. I’m >> not >> > able to put any energy into following the IRC channels and I cannot ask >> > anyone else either. But I think the mailing lists could absorb these >> > questions and give timely answers. >> > >> > For this reason, I suggest that we discontinue the IRC channels (remove >> > them from libera.chat) or at least change the topic to indicate that >> they >> > are no longer “official” and to refer all questions to the mailing >> lists. >> > The website should of course be updated accordingly. >> > >> > Kind regards >> > >> > Daniel Sahlberg >> >> I am not sure whether outright removing (aka "dropping") our Libera >> channels from ChanServ is a good idea. Anyone could re-register a >> dropped channel and squat on the name and/or impersonate the project. >> >> Given this, I suppose the #svn users channel should be marked as >> unmaintained in the topic. Redirecting questions to the mailing >> list via the topic line should work well enough. >> >> The #svn-dev channel might still be useful for quick communication >> during bursts of increased project activity. I would keep it around. >> >> Cheers, >> Stefan > > > > I'd like to keep the IRC channels, at the very least so that someone won't > squat on the name as already mentioned, but I agree that we should update > the channel topics to direct user questions to the mailing list where they > are much more likely to receive a timely response. > > I'd also recommend to update our text on the website to say that the IRC > channels exist but the mailing lists are the more recommended way to > communicate. > > Cheers, > Nathan > Thanks both of you, valid points and valuable input! What about this new topic for #svn? [[[ The Apache® Subversion® version control system ( https://subversion.apache.org/) | Read the book: http://www.svnbook.org/ | FAQ: https://subversion.apache.org/faq.html | This channel has limited use, if you have questions please ask on the mailing list https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#users-ml ]]] And for #svn-dev: [[[ Development of Apache® Subversion® (https://subversion.apache.org/) | This channel has limited use, if you have questions please ask on the mailing list https://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists#dev-ml ]]] I've made a first draft of website updates to the staging site in r1917512. (At the same time, I saw that the svnforum.org site no longer is a forum, so I removed that reference in r1917511). Kind regards, Daniel
