Re: [dev] [dwm] sdl12 / dwm 5.6 /5.7.2 ioquake3 problems
On 02/01/2010 08:05 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: What do you exactly mean? I guess he means that when dragging windows in float mode, some applications behave like f***. For example, start a ddd session over ssh and move the window around when the debugger is running. Though I'm using xmonad, the behaviour might appear in dwm as well. regards, nicolai
Re: [dev] [dwm] sdl12 / dwm 5.6 /5.7.2 ioquake3 problems
Oh and what he might mean with outline moving: just drawing the outline of a window that is to be moved, looking as if you only move around its border to the window's future position and not actually moving the window until you have decided where to place it.
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:00:58PM +0100, Uriel wrote: There are retarded standards for all kinds of crap, too bad that there are thousands of standards and nobody follows them anyway. It is simple, the system user knows much better where shit is than the developer can dream knowing, if the developer tries to guess he will invariably fuck it up and waste even more of the user's time. If you want pre-chewed software, use whatever packaging system your OS provides and let packagers deal with this, expecting the original software developers to do it is extremely naive. I think a lot on a concept of an OS-independent package manager destined not just to automate software installation but to make software development and distribution more consistent. (And to get rid of extra layer of software maintainance for each OS.) In this hypothetical concept, package is a unit of world-wide software distribution with some dependencies, but (sic!) dependencies are not just other packages - they are _interfaces_ provided by other packages, by the base system or whatever. This is a simple and evident idea based on an assumption that any system relies upon well-defined interfaces provided by other systems. Those interfaces are documented by humans in systems documentation or in well known standards. Unfortunately, this would work in an ideal world or at least a good one, not in this one. There are some good standards but they are a puny minority.
Re: [dev] [dwm] sdl12 / dwm 5.6 /5.7.2 ioquake3 problems
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 07:05:11AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: [...] Thanks for reporting this issue, I will look into it, most likely it's sdl brokeness. Will see if there is a workaround. [...] Given that the issue also appears with Awesome, I'd indeed say it's SDL having a problem with non-reparenting window managers. -- GCS/IT/M d- s+:- a-- C++ UL+++ US UB++ P+++ L+++ E--- W+ N+ o-- K- w--- ?O M-- ?V PS++ PE- Y++ PGP+++ t+ 5 X+ R tv b+++ DI+++ D+++ G+ e h! r y+ Gregor Best pgpo8A4u2ZbQh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: I agree to all you said, except: On 31 January 2010 22:00, Uriel lost.gob...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is not OK, the gratuitous fiddling with the .h files is one of the most retarded things about dwm. If you know a better way, please let me know. The idea behind config.h is to provide a mechanism where people can customize and extend dwm without hacking into core dwm.c. Like with auto*hell, the idea is retarded, so the implementation can't not suck. People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. I know you will say there shouldn't be any options, but even werc has options ;) Werc has few (if any) options that are not intrinsically linked to *functionality* whatever a page is a wiki or a blog is not an 'option' it is simply a different functionality part of the same app, and things like page titles are also an intrinsic part of the application (just as an app name is not an 'option' in a window manager but an intrinsic part of its functionality). uriel Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On 1 February 2010 11:02, Uriel lost.gob...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: I agree to all you said, except: On 31 January 2010 22:00, Uriel lost.gob...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is not OK, the gratuitous fiddling with the .h files is one of the most retarded things about dwm. If you know a better way, please let me know. The idea behind config.h is to provide a mechanism where people can customize and extend dwm without hacking into core dwm.c. Like with auto*hell, the idea is retarded, so the implementation can't not suck. It's not like configure, it simply eases source modifications/patching. People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. Well if you ask artists they will come up with gradients, translucency and other bullshit. I think the default color scheme in dwm is great. I know you will say there shouldn't be any options, but even werc has options ;) Werc has few (if any) options that are not intrinsically linked to *functionality* whatever a page is a wiki or a blog is not an 'option' it is simply a different functionality part of the same app, and things like page titles are also an intrinsic part of the application (just as an app name is not an 'option' in a window manager but an intrinsic part of its functionality). Well I disagree, there is no real difference between werc's initrc[.local] and dwm's config.h. Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [dwm] sdl12 / dwm 5.6 /5.7.2 ioquake3 problems
[2010-02-01 09:58] Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net Oh and what he might mean with outline moving: just drawing the outline of a window that is to be moved, looking as if you only move around its border to the window's future position and not actually moving the window until you have decided where to place it. Smooth moving of clients affects only floating mode. Floating mode is mainly a compatibility feature for broken software, and most dwm users will seldom move a client with the mouse in floating mode. As implementing a ``outline moving'' feature adds complexity to dwm, and there is nearly no gain from it, it will hardly appear in dwm. meillo
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
Anselm R Garbe wrote: People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. Well if you ask artists they will come up with gradients, translucency and other bullshit. I think the default color scheme in dwm is great. I hate it ;) The radioactive blue and white burns my eyes. I use black, gray and orange. there's no standards about colour tastes. Well I disagree, there is no real difference between werc's initrc[.local] and dwm's config.h. The difference is that one is at compile time and werc cannot be compiled. So yeah, no difference at all. --pancake
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On 1 February 2010 11:45, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: Anselm R Garbe wrote: People have different taste regarding the colors, fonts, layout algorithms, shortcuts etc. People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. Well if you ask artists they will come up with gradients, translucency and other bullshit. I think the default color scheme in dwm is great. I hate it ;) The radioactive blue and white burns my eyes. I use black, gray and orange. Well it is very similar to the color scheme of Norton Commander, Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and Windows XP with the classic UI. I think that blue/grey/white is the most widespread default color scheme. And following the acme approach == asking artists will always result in big arguments. I for example hate the acme or Plan 9 color scheme, it looks so 1980ish and to some extend I doubt that Rob or anyone else asked a well recognised UI designer for the color scheme. Obviously I didn't ask UI designers either, but I followed the MS scheme which did some research in this area, at least in Windows 95 for sure. Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. Jon.
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On 1 February 2010 12:52, jonathan.sl...@talktalk.net wrote: People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Layout algorithms are more an intrinsic part of the application and should not be considered 'an option' (and configuring them via a .h file is plain idiotic), shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling around with colors and such. But obviously a lot of people like customizing things/making them different to the default. I'm not sure what the reason is, but people fiddle around their cars, by bigger wheels, bigger exhausts, make the windows black etc. Same with software and desktop setups. So the ideal world doesn't exist, however we think the lesser options there are, the better. The best tools are those that have no options, like nearly no one changes the look of the vacuum cleaner once bought, or of your micro wave, or of your iron board, or nearly no one repaints the case of a TV. The point is people would be able doing much more useful stuff when they won't spend their time with fiddling around with things that are not mandatory == eg not customising cars but coming up with some great philosophy instead ;) Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. in that specific case i would prefer to use __FreeBSD__ ifdef instead of a configure stage. But for -lpthread and -pthread ..i will probably use a configure stage. because its something freebsd-specific for linking. --pancake
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
* Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us [2010-02-01 14:09]: On 1 February 2010 12:52, jonathan.sl...@talktalk.net wrote: People are retards that should get a life, [...] shortcuts are part of the UI which should be sane and consistent. This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. like nearly no one changes the look of the vacuum cleaner once bought, or of your micro wave, or of your iron board, or nearly no one repaints the case of a TV. When I am looking at terminal most of the day, it does matter whether its color is gentle to my eyes, or they get tired after 2 hours. And if non of the standard configurations does, I appreciate when I'm able to to set it to what I feel is gentle. Even when buying a vacuum cleaner you have preferences. You have to go for specific model rather than configuring one yourself, which is a bit like precompiled stuff you'll never be able to make clean make the way you like. In software you have all the freedom to make things modular and still maintainable and sane, that's the difference. In hardware you don't. Especially in 'hype' segments, where marketing experts rule: Actually they don't want! Ever seen a suckless car, or mobile phone? -- stanio_
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 01:06:09PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling around with colors and such. But obviously a lot of people like customizing things/making them different to the default. I'm not sure what the reason is, but people fiddle around their cars, by bigger wheels, bigger exhausts, make the windows black etc. Same with software and desktop setups. Yes, he is completely wrong. Using software as is means using a software with the developer's tastes, not mine. That's a totally retarded concept (almost like the previous Uriel's statement). It's not only a matter of colors, but most important things like fonts, key bindings, and so forth. That's where config.h wins againts initrc.local, where you can't also configure the PLAN9 base (well, you can't but it's useless) without have to change the shesbang of werc.bin. So the ideal world doesn't exist, however we think the lesser options there are, the better. The best tools are those that have no options, like nearly no one changes the look of the vacuum cleaner once bought, or of your micro wave, or of your iron board, or nearly no one repaints the case of a TV. The ideal world does exists: we have suckless software and config.h. Well, we also have werc. The best tools are those which are better. Period. Less options is not better, the need to have less options converge with a better software. It's different. In the real world, you don't have any real advantages by changing how the vacuum cleaner looks like, while you obviously will find much more comfortable a font (or color) which fits well your eyes; expecially if you spend much of your time ahead a monitor. This will make you less distract, much more efficient and productive and also much happy. That's our real perfect world. The point is people would be able doing much more useful stuff when they won't spend their time with fiddling around with things that are not mandatory == eg not customising cars but coming up with some great philosophy instead ;) Philosophy is nothing if not applied to the real world. If it doesn't fits with the real world, then is a bad philosophy (or, this is the case, retarded). Regards, Claudio M. Alessi -- JID: smoppy AT gmail.com WWW: http://cma.teroristi.org
Re: [dev] [surf] script.js
This works:
window.alert('test');
Numbered links still don't, I'll try to fix them.
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
[2010-02-01 13:06] Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us On 1 February 2010 12:52, jonathan.sl...@talktalk.net wrote: This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling around with colors and such. But obviously a lot of people like customizing things/making them different to the default. I'm not sure what the reason is [...] Reasons to change the colors are that this may improve your productivity or comfort. The point it, that colors are nearly completely unrelated to the functionality of the program. They are only cosmetic, and thus everthing related to them should not add complexity in any way. I'd adjust the colors on my computer though, but by editing the code directly. But tagging rules are an example of custumization of dwm, that does not directly changes it's functions, but how it operates in the specific environment. This is similar to mailcap, termcap and the like. In my eyes, this is where ``configuration'' is important. (In contrast to colors, which are only cosmetic, and layouting algorithms which are basic functionality and thus should be changed in the main source directly, if at all.) meillo
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A remark about the Trabant, quote from the Wikipedia article [...] as even refueling the car required lifting the hood, filling the tank with gasoline (only 24 litres[1]), then adding two-stroke oil and shaking it back and forth to mix. This isn't correct, in the GDR each petrol station had petrol that was prepared for the Trabant, there was no such thing as mixing the two stroke-oil and shaking, that is absolute nonsense (it is kind of true if you have such a car nowadays since petrol stations stopped to sell two stroke fuel). Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
* Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us [2010-02-01 15:48]: On 1 February 2010 13:30, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: experts rule: Actually they don't want! Ever seen a suckless car, or mobile phone? There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant Well, Trabi is close to suckless, I agree. I still enjoy the simplicity when I have a ride with an owner of an old one occasionally. But it is not safe, for instance. Safety, in turn, is generally important, but not that much an issue for the everyday home-work-back trip in a large city. As for a mobile phone I'd say that the iphone is quite suckless in some respects. Afaik its UI is not very customisable and it runs only 1 app at a time which is a nice restriction and eliminates a whole bunch of problems (well and has positive side-effect on power consumption as well). In the cited respects, maybe. But a mobile phone with integrated camera, touch screen, 'apps' for learning languages, etc. is as much suckless as an axe with a door bell, toilet paper and nuclear power generator. -- stanio_
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On 1 February 2010 15:49, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: * Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us [2010-02-01 15:48]: On 1 February 2010 13:30, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: experts rule: Actually they don't want! Ever seen a suckless car, or mobile phone? There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant Well, Trabi is close to suckless, I agree. I still enjoy the simplicity when I have a ride with an owner of an old one occasionally. But it is not safe, for instance. Safety, in turn, is generally important, but not that much an issue for the everyday home-work-back trip in a large city. Security is relative with a car like the Trabant. Back in GDR times it was rather secure since it's maximum speed was around 120km/h and roads weren't as crowded as today and hence car accidents were a rare occasion. Driving a Trabant today is surely a security risk but so is driving an original Mini Cooper as well or some other classic car. Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] Non-tiling WM that can do tags?
On Jan 31, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a non-tiling window manager that allows you to tag windows like wmii does? Perhaps a plugin for Openbox where I can do wmii-like tag switching, and tag a client with multiple tags so that's it's visible on multiple desktops/tags? To some extent openbox can do this with the default config...you can 'sticky' a client window so that it appears on all workspaces. You can also define certain clients to open on certain workspaces by default, much like dwm/wmii.
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
Anselm R Garbe dixit (2010-02-01, 15:58): On 1 February 2010 15:49, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: * Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us [2010-02-01 15:48]: On 1 February 2010 13:30, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: experts rule: Actually they don't want! Ever seen a suckless car, or mobile phone? There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant Well, Trabi is close to suckless, I agree. I still enjoy the simplicity when I have a ride with an owner of an old one occasionally. But it is not safe, for instance. Safety, in turn, is generally important, but not that much an issue for the everyday home-work-back trip in a large city. Security is relative with a car like the Trabant. Back in GDR times it was rather secure since it's maximum speed was around 120km/h and roads weren't as crowded as today and hence car accidents were a rare occasion. Driving a Trabant today is surely a security risk but so is driving an original Mini Cooper as well or some other classic car. That's major bullshit. Please... -- [a]
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
Hah, a trabbie sucks less?! That's pure idiocy!
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote: On 02/01/2010 12:02 PM, Uriel wrote: People are retards that should get a life, and developers that can't pick bearable colors should not pick colors (just ask for advice from an artists as Rob did for acme and rio). Desktop LookFeel Communism up ahead. Yours is the most retarded and human-diversification-ignoring comment I read in a long while now on this mailing list. If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. uriel
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous aim0s...@lavabit.com wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. This is bullshit, one of the reasons I gave up using FreeBSD long ago is because so much crap software that used auto*hell would blow up when trying to build it on FreeBSD, and trying to fix up auto*hell so the damned thing would build was a fucking nightmare. On the other hand programs without auto*hell that were in the ports tree 'just worked' (while the ones that used auto*hell and were in the ports tree just wasted my fucking times running 'tests' for shit that the packager already knew). uriel
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. in that specific case i would prefer to use __FreeBSD__ ifdef instead of a configure stage. This is totally and completely RETARDED. #ifdefs are a disgrace and people that use them should be shot on sight. uriel But for -lpthread and -pthread ..i will probably use a configure stage. because its something freebsd-specific for linking. --pancake
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote: [2010-02-01 13:06] Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us On 1 February 2010 12:52, jonathan.sl...@talktalk.net wrote: This is my PC and I decide what colours are used. To be fair Uriel isn't completely wrong. In an ideal world everyone would just use the software as is and not waste time on fiddling around with colors and such. But obviously a lot of people like customizing things/making them different to the default. I'm not sure what the reason is [...] Reasons to change the colors are that this may improve your productivity or comfort. You idiots keep missing the point: if you need to change the colors to improve your productivity then either the original colors were totally broken and the developer that picked them should get a clue and fix them, or your brain is broken, and you should stop using computers if you can't deal with sane colors. One has to wonder by what miracle of god people managed to work for centuries without being able to change the color of their pens and papers! uriel The point it, that colors are nearly completely unrelated to the functionality of the program. They are only cosmetic, and thus everthing related to them should not add complexity in any way. I'd adjust the colors on my computer though, but by editing the code directly. But tagging rules are an example of custumization of dwm, that does not directly changes it's functions, but how it operates in the specific environment. This is similar to mailcap, termcap and the like. In my eyes, this is where ``configuration'' is important. (In contrast to colors, which are only cosmetic, and layouting algorithms which are basic functionality and thus should be changed in the main source directly, if at all.) meillo
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Anselm R Garbe ans...@garbe.us wrote: On 1 February 2010 13:30, sta...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: experts rule: Actually they don't want! Ever seen a suckless car, or mobile phone? There was the DDR Trabant, which I consider quite close to a suckless car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant As for a mobile phone I'd say that the iphone is quite suckless in some respects. Afaik its UI is not very customisable and it runs only 1 app at a time which is a nice restriction and eliminates a whole bunch of problems (well and has positive side-effect on power consumption as well). I hate apple and the iphone with passion, but this is one thing they got completely right: all the morons that claim they need to waste their life fiddling around with stupid colors and shit have been proven wrong by the millions of people that use iPhones without any need for such crap. uriel Cheers, Anselm
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon 01 Feb 2010 at 13:30:00 PST Uriel wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous aim0s...@lavabit.com wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. This is bullshit, one of the reasons I gave up using FreeBSD long ago is because so much crap software that used auto*hell would blow up when trying to build it on FreeBSD, and trying to fix up auto*hell so the damned thing would build was a fucking nightmare. Perhaps that was a problem long ago but it doesn't seem to be a problem *now*. I've been using FreeBSD since release 7.0 and have never had a problem with configure.
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
Uriel dixit (2010-02-01, 22:30): On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous aim0s...@lavabit.com wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. This is bullshit, one of the reasons I gave up using FreeBSD long ago is because so much crap software that used auto*hell would blow up when trying to build it on FreeBSD, and trying to fix up auto*hell so the damned thing would build was a fucking nightmare. Out of curiosity: what were the other reasons and what did you settle on instead (if anything)? -- [a]
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You idiots keep missing the point: if you need to change the colors to improve your productivity then either the original colors were totally broken and the developer that picked them should get a clue and fix them, or your brain is broken, and you should stop using computers if you can't deal with sane colors. One has to wonder by what miracle of god people managed to work for centuries without being able to change the color of their pens and papers! An example: I find apps with a white background a problem. A white background is shining a light from your monitor into your eyes, it's a bit like trying to read a book outside in direct sunshine, the book is too bright. Most people seem to prefer a white background as it's natural but I appreciate an option to make it black. BTW do you talk to people like this you meet on a day to day basis? You make some good points but your choice of language makes you loose a lot of gravitas.
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If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. uriel Please keep these unconstrained insults coming, I laughed heartily at the quoted.
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Chris Palmer dixit (2010-02-01, 15:48): Anselm R Garbe writes: [...] as even refueling the car required lifting the hood, filling the tank with gasoline (only 24 litres[1]), then adding two-stroke oil and shaking it back and forth to mix. Never mind that bit of compile-time configuration -- look at this filth! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trabant_RS02%28ThKraft%29.jpg People who paint their cars should be stabbed to death! With a configure script! I love milking cows that have a single pre-determined pattern of black and white spots!! CAKE LACED WITH PCP FOR MY BIRTHDAY!! Well, a while ago I saw a back-to-front Trabant on the streets of Warsaw, a quick google and here you go: http://autofoto.pl/blogs/prezes/archive/2009/05/11/trabant-je-d-cy-ty-em.aspx http://piotr.biegala.pl/foto/displayimage.php?pid=342fullsize=1 http://piotr.biegala.pl/foto/displayimage.php?pid=343fullsize=1 -- [a]
Re: [dev] [dwm] sdl12 / dwm 5.6 /5.7.2 ioquake3 problems
markus schnalke writes: Smooth moving of clients affects only floating mode. Floating mode is mainly a compatibility feature for broken software, and most dwm users will seldom move a client with the mouse in floating mode. As implementing a ``outline moving'' feature adds complexity to dwm, and there is nearly no gain from it, it will hardly appear in dwm. I dig the suckless philosophy, but there is such a thing as *too* simple.
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On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 12:09:28AM +0100, Nicolai Waniek wrote: On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. This is not the first time that you confuse cause and result. Additionally, you seem to not have a fucking clue about people's different perception of the world around them (e.g. emotional/biophysical influence on colors) or the most mundane knowledge of psychophysics in general. You should definitely stop talking about this topic if you don't want to ridicule yourself anymore. I remember tweaking my Enlightenment theme and background every 10 minutes instead of getting work done in college, so it doesn't really seem like a productivity enhancing feature. Plus, configurable themes means extra software bloat. Please excuse my lack of knowledge of psychophysics in general.
Re: [dev] Non-tiling WM that can do tags?
On 1 February 2010 07:47, Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a non-tiling window manager that allows you to tag windows like wmii does? just get dwm and disable the tiling layout mode. You could even write a new layout that suites your needs. - jessta -- = http://jessta.id.au
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon 01 Feb 2010 at 13:30:00 PST Uriel wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, anonymous aim0s...@lavabit.com wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. This is bullshit, one of the reasons I gave up using FreeBSD long ago is because so much crap software that used auto*hell would blow up when trying to build it on FreeBSD, and trying to fix up auto*hell so the damned thing would build was a fucking nightmare. Perhaps that was a problem long ago but it doesn't seem to be a problem *now*. I've been using FreeBSD since release 7.0 and have never had a problem with configure. How many apps have you installed *not* from the ports tree that use auto*hell? Note that this issue has *zero* to do with FreeBSD and all to do with braindead auto*hell scripts. That said, FreeBSD has been an ever growing pile of shit since the 4.x series. uriel
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote: On 02/01/2010 10:25 PM, Uriel wrote: If you define your personal identity based on the colors of your fucking window manager I feel sorry for your pathetic worthless life. This is not the first time that you confuse cause and result. Additionally, you seem to not have a fucking clue about people's different perception of the world around them (e.g. emotional/biophysical influence on colors) or the most mundane knowledge of psychophysics in general. You should definitely stop talking about this topic if you don't want to ridicule yourself anymore. And you are so dumb that you are intellectually incapable of differentiating between the aesthetics of a tool and artistic expression, in both cases aesthetics are very important but in very different ways. If you care about art you put up real paintings on your wall, you don't spend your life treating your fucking window manager the way some nitwit teenage girl treats the cover of their crap cellphone. uriel
Re: [dev] [OFFTOPIC] Recommended meta-build system
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:23 AM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:31:38 +0100 Uriel lost.gob...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: anonymous wrote: Having said that, in case of rfork vice versa from FreeBSD. Yes, I am talking about FreeBSD. With configure you can make your program portable between FreeBSD and Linux. Most probably other systems won't implement clone/rfork their own way so program will be portable between all systems with some kind of rfork implementation. in that specific case i would prefer to use __FreeBSD__ ifdef instead of a configure stage. This is totally and completely RETARDED. #ifdefs are a disgrace and people that use them should be shot on sight. if you deny ifdefs for minimal portability fixes and deny configure options to specify OS or way to compile this program you are denying also portability and incrementing the complexity in development and structuration. This claim is patently ridiculous and wrong. As The Practice of Programming points out the only proper way to write portable code is to restrict yourself to the shared subset of interfaces available on all desired platforms, this certainly *reduces* complexity, and there are tons of software out there that use this approach and work just fine on pretty much any platform imaginable. Hell even dwm has no ifdefs or configuration step (or it didn't until stupid XINERAMA support was added). If due to the nature of the app one *really* needs to access system-specific APIs (this is much more rare than people claims to the point that I had trouble finding an example)) there are perfectly fine ways to do this without using a retarded configuration step or insane #ifdefs, for an example of how to do this see drawterm: http://code.swtch.com/drawterm/src/ (and yes, drawterm has a handful of ifdefs but most of them are either to comment out code or to enable some compiler specific pragmas, and the rest should be done away with and as far as I can tell were added by people that didn't quite know how to do things properly). uriel
