Re: [dev] surf rewrite for WebKit2GTK
On 10/25/14 13:41, F Hssn wrote: Following suckless's minimal philosophy, I'd be interested to find out if someone has done analysis on how an even minimal browser could be developed in terms of SLOC, since webkit (r172694) stands at ~2 million lines, 75% of which is C++, while webkitgtk-1.10.2 is ~1 million, 90% C++. I used cloc. I'm surprised webkitgtk is smaller than latest webkit. Do you really want to write your own Javascript engine?
Re: [dev] getting mails from the archives
Was working for me a few weeks ago; just tried right now and I got the message right away. Check your filters/message IDs?
Re: [dev] [RFC] Design of a vim like text editor
On 9/17/14, 3:51 PM, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Welp, you made it, i'm hooking the bait. You're putting the editor out every single goddamn time someone discusses about text editors: So... twice?
Re: [dev] [RFC] Design of a vim like text editor
On 9/15/14, 3:03 PM, Marc André Tanner wrote: This is true to some degree. The problem is that most people are already familiar with vi(m) (myself included). Therefore the hope is that by sticking to the vim conventions more contributors will be attracted. As for my personal needs they are almost covered by the currently implemented functionality. And one advantage of vi(m) is that I can get it on basically any platform, so even if I don't have access to vis or other related projects, as long as the interfaces are similar, I will not have much difficulty. But, if the editor's separation allows for other, better editing interfaces, and the program's simplicity means that it can be easily compiled on BSDs and Linuxes with all the various supporting libraries and versions thereof, then I would have no problem learning a new tool (provided it is actually better than vi).
Re: [dev] [quark] Anyone have an SSL patch?
I wrap it with stunnel.
Re: [dev] [RFC] Design of a vim like text editor
Hi Marc, Thank you for the thorough and illustrated RFC. If you have not already done so, I suggest you keep this text around with the project. Notice that the common case of appending text to a given piece is fast since, the new data is simply appended to the buffer and the piece length is increased accordingly. In order to keep the number of pieces down, the least recently edited piece is cached and changes to it are done in place (this is the only time buffers are modified in a non-append only way). As a consequence they can not be undone. This seems like behavior that will surprise me, and possibly even others. (Possibly using it will demonstrate otherwise.) Is there any convenient workaround? The history is currently linear, no undo / history tree is implemented. Are orphaned pieces (on dead branches) eliminated? Is there any useful interface for navigating a history tree that would make the feature worth having? The editor takes a similar regex-based approach to syntax highlighting than sandy and reuses its syntax definitions but always applies them to a screen full of text thus enabling multiline coloring. How does this work when important parts of the syntax are off of the screen? The repeat command '.' currently only works for operators. This for example means that inserting text can not be repeated (i.e. inserted again). The same restriction also applies to commands which are not implemented in terms of operators, such as 'o', 'O', 'J' etc. Is this intended, or is the vim-like behavior planned? + code completion: this should be done as an external process. I will have to take a look at the tools from the llvm / clang project. Maybe dvtm's terminal emulation support could be reused to display an slmenu inside the editor at the cursor position? This feature seems unnecessary; do others use this? The last time I had code completion was in Eclipse, when I was younger and more foolish, and I don't miss it at all. - macro recording Macros are one of my most-used Vim features; they are very useful for repetitive editing of complex files where regular expressions are more of a pain. Even if you have no desire for them, would you accept patches to add the feature, or should this list be considered a blacklist? Thanks for your work thus far, Andrew
Re: [dev] [RFC] Design of a vim like text editor
FYI, anyone building on OpenBSD (and possibly other BSDs), add -D_BSD_SOURCE to CFLAGS in config.mk for SIGWINCH.
Re: [dev] [st] will global-less changes be wanted upstream?
On 8/17/14, 7:38 PM, Alexander Huemer wrote: Well, as you may notice it's quite important for some people to get this message through. You should be glad that there are people who give advice. This advice is, once again: Don't use OSX, don't port good software to OSX (and Windows). Sorry, I'm not going to be miserable when I use OS X. So I will continue to do what is necessary to recreate my preferred environment there, or anywhere. If you would like to prevent this usage, change the license.
Re: [dev] [st] will global-less changes be wanted upstream?
On 8/17/14, 3:47 PM, FRIGN wrote: The world you're living in is the walled garden of OS X. It's your choice to either attempt to improve it, which is futile, or enter a world in which improvement is possible in the first place. I have to use OS X sometimes for work. It's still a general-purpose operating system, and you can still run arbitrary programs on it. It is closer to BSD than Linux, aside from the GUI layer. But it ships with a working X server, and it has a working C compiler, so st worked fine until a few commits ago right out of the box. I use it when I use OS X because I like using the same tools everywhere. And I use suckless tools because their simplicity makes them easy to port everywhere. I will never be at home the way one can be in a system built one's self, but my preferred working environment is not so complex that I can't replicate it almost anywhere I need it. So regardless of Steven's goals, I appreciate his efforts that will, in the end, make the time I spend wading in the GUI sewage of OS X so much less painful.
Re: [dev] LDAP
On 7/23/14, 3:21 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: LDAP sucks, is there any good alternative for managing user logins over 5-10 servers? I declare one server the master and manage accounts through there with some simple scripts and ssh. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dev] LDAP
On 7/23/14, 3:29 PM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: Are these scripts somewhere publicly available? I'd like to have a look if possible. No, but I'll clean them up a little later this week. They're really nothing special; all my machines run Linux, so it's just useradd/usermod/userdel and some fluff. Also, an hourly script that checks getent passwd against the master for non-system accounts, and emails me when there's a problem. I was going to try to use cfengine, but after ten minutes of trying to find even the most basic information, I just hacked some shell scripts together instead. You could do the same as or better than me in half an hour. I copy SSH public keys when a new account is created/machine is added; beyond that, users are responsible for handling themselves. I thought about creating per-machine access lists, but then I stopped thinking about it because I didn't need it. Sorry. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dev] LDAP
On 7/23/14, 3:52 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: That's just silly. Why would you be so sucky of any admin to require users to change passwords on 10 systems when they are all identical? This is somewhat of a small cluster, worker nodes, a services node, a storage node, a head node etc. Users are not permitted password authentication on my systems, so I didn't bother synchronizing shadow. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dev] [sandy] [PATCH] VIM key bindings.
On 7/8/14, 8:27 PM, Dimitris Zervas wrote: I know that some of you will really hate me about this, but I patched sandy to have command and insert mode. Actually, this was all that kept me from using sandy. (Well, I suppose my unwillingness to change my habits is what kept me...) Please keep up the work!
Re: [dev] Anyone interested in C blogging platform?
You may be interested in fugitive[0], blog software using Git hooks. [0] https://gitorious.org/fugitive signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[dev] Re: Skype replacements
On 5/4/14, 3:25 PM, Manolo Martínez wrote: Video calls are nice, though. Don't feed the troll, please.
Re: [dev] [off-topic]How to donate to suckless.org?
I would disagree about worse, but we're really comparing Ebola to Marburg at this point.
Re: [dev] [off-topic]How to donate to suckless.org?
No because the site is not run on node.js and mongodb.
Re: [dev] [PATCH] Don't insert newlines in wrapped lines
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:37:30 +0200 Roberto E. Vargas Caballero k...@shike2.com wrote: The solution is easy, don't add the newline when there is a character in the last position of the row. This isn't the desired behavior when you fill the line up with exactly the right number of characters. Just an edge case not to care about? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] [sbase] Adding tar
On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 10:59:36 -0400 Alex Pilon a...@alexpilon.ca wrote: On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 01:29:02PM +0200, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: Apparently is there anybody who uses dashes in tar's keys? Yeah. Old habit. I also see it a lot in scripts, along with using full options instead of short--perhaps to be more verbose? So, for compatibility, perhaps it is best to allow both. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] client-server model
On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:05:41 +0200 Markus Wichmann nullp...@gmx.net wrote: I can see, that Xorg is a very complex implementation of the X11 protocol, and that that protocoll is not very good, seeing as how it was extended several times, the extensions oftentimes being incompatible with each other (e.g. Xinerama + Xdbe) or even superseding another one (Xrandr + Xinerama). Both the mess of extensions and the willingness of Xorg to crash and hang the whole system when a user application does something wrong are reasons not to like it. But, it is a poor implementation of an acceptable principle, I think, and probably it is inevitable that a system designed so long ago would have so much tacked onto it at the end. The same thing happens to every part of every operating system until someone decides to break backwards compatibility. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] lisp
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:11:42 -0400 Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: how is that good news? that's horrible news. (That's the joke.) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] video player and torrent client that don't suck
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:27:19 +1000 oneofthem oneoft...@lavabit.com wrote: That hasn't been updated for 6 years, hardly an option for a modern design. Your argument is completely invalid, and not just because the information is wrong. A good design remains a good design regardless of age. Has SSL changed so much since the last commit (2012-10-08)? If you want, I can fork the project and commit new version numbers and make a new release every few weeks; maybe it will satisfy your need for something shiny. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] video player and torrent client that don't suck
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:17:14 +1000 oneofthem oneoft...@lavabit.com wrote: You're really saying that cryptography hasn't changed since 2007? SSL is a bad example because it was superseded by TLS 1.0 over a decade ago, TLS 1.0 was superseded TLS 1.1 7 years ago and that was superseded by TLS 1.2 5 years ago. The library in question is not limited to the TLS standard, and provides all the tools you need to communicate via the TLS 1.2 protocol if you so desire. But that's not relevant to your comment. I was saying that your assertion that modern design precludes code written six years ago is not correct. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] dwm: native window tabs
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:57:44 +0200 (CEST) philippe.g...@free.fr wrote: If people are interested I can send the patch. Let me know if I should post it directly to this mailing list. You should post it to the wiki. That is the standard procedure for sharing patches. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] dwm: native window tabs
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:00:27 -0400 Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Have you not heard of tabbed? Perhaps you should read his mail. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Re: mail clients
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:09:10 +0200 hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: Only create software that you would want to use yourself, everything else is a waste of time. This is bad advice, perhaps just because, like most snappy mantras, it's a gross oversimplification of reality. Some non-developers need software, but can't create it themselves. Filling those niches with software is not a waste of your time, especially not if writing that software provides you with means for sustenance. Your rule applies if you're willing to take the next step and empathize with someone--it is a good guideline for designing interfaces. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:11:03 -0400 Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: No, not having a website would suck less. Not having a website would suck more... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] mail clients
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:12:57 +0100 Michael Stevens mstev...@etla.org wrote: Are there any mail clients that don't suck? Mutt for CLI, Claws Mail for GUI. I don't think either of them suck.
Re: [dev] [st] New feature idea
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Christoph Lohmann wrote: What are you guys using as a plumber in daily work? A simple shell script with several lines of grep -q exec, with the most commonly used at the top. Previously, I had a system that reordered the entries based on frequency of use, but it had a bug, and it doesn't actually matter, so I got back to work. With tab-completion, I rarely need the plumber for anything but web links, as typing an image viewer command is much faster than fetching the mouse to highlight text. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] FTP script: how to store password?
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 12:20:58PM +0100, Hugues Moretto-Viry wrote: Anyway, I need to store my passwords so I chose SQlite, because I don't want to put them in a regular file or in the script. Unfortunately, I think this is not really perfect. Do you know how to store my passwords outside the script (maybe hashed), in the suckless way? If you need to store your passwords and you trust that setting the files to readonly on your system will protect them sufficiently, then store them in text files as has been suggested. Obfuscating your passwords will work great until someone is interested in finding them, in which case the interested parties will just open your script and find how they are stored and obtain them in the same manner as the script does. If your sysadmin cannot be trusted, you must encrypt your passwords in such a way that entering a password is required to retrieve them each time; try man 1 openssl on most Linux systems. -AH
Re: [dev] [surf] adblocking
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: Hosts filtering re‐ quires some callback to filter on a specific hosts file with 15k lines on every request. Would it be possible to disable requests made by the page to any address outside the page's domain? This would cause most Google API Web 2.0 HTML5 nonsense to fail, but ordinary pages with advertisements hosted elsewhere (most of them, in my experience) would become ordinary pages without advertisements. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] Return key keybind problem
Sorry, I wrote it from gmail, not from within MUA since I cannot do that momentarily. Does it create any problems for others? When you write from GMail, please click the « Plain Text button under the formatting bar. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Troff for typsetting e-mails
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: It might as well *be* HTML email. I assume that the typesetting will be done on his end, instead of just dumping verbose formatting into your terminal. I don't think that makes for a fair comparison. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] dwm: XKeycodeToKeysym deprecated patch
The call to XkbKeycodeToKeysym always returns zero for me when I run dwm through RealVNC, probably because it sucks. Attached is the patch against tip (reverting 737cf52cd031) for others forced to run dwm on shitty systems. --Andrew Hills dwm-keycode-to-keysym-vnc-fix.patch Description: Binary data
Re: [dev] Invito a collegarsi su LinkedIn
Really? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] St xft drawing bugs
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Edgaras dev...@gmail.com wrote: I just did hg pull;rm config.h;make;./st so it should be tip st with default config. Don't forget hg up. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] POLL: most beautiful suckless cloud
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: Because of this I have a request. Please vote for your most favourite suckless cloud implementation. Both are attached. cl has fewer lines of code, and a shorter name, so it sucks less. I don't really care if they perform different functions. --Andrew Hills
[dev] [st] extra arguments to xcopy()
In hg tip (c84141b8303e), two calls to xcopy() in xdrawcursor() pass four arguments, which takes no arguments. It looks like xcopy() was changed in dcba87365e02 and not all calls to xcopy() were updated. The attached patch removes the arguments (no functional changes). I hope the current behavior is correct. --Andrew Hills st-tip-xcopy-cleanup.diff Description: Binary data
Re: [dev] dwm - greetings, column patch
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Noah Rosser noah.ros...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone wants the patch or wants to add it to the site, just tell me what to do. If not, that's cool too, just thought I'd offer. It's customary to just attach the patch and brace yourself for the criticism. The amount of feedback you get is usually proportional to the amount of interest in the feature. --Andrew Hills
Re: Regarding make-systems [Was: Re: [dev] Build system: redo]
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org wrote: This whole topic is so silly, just use a language that doesn't need any of this nonsense, like Go. Are you insinuating that Go is the best choice for all projects, regardless of requirements? Or just that C is never the right choice? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [PATCH] sbase: add cut
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: The question is: since cut can be implemented IN awk, why should it get a separate C binary? Anyone nattering about performance in a shell script is barking up the wrong tree. Should sed be excluded? What can you do with sed that you can't do in awk? For that matter, since Perl can do just about everything, if not as quickly or easily, why not support just Perl, and no other tools? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [st] Cannot load font
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Hannes Blut blut.han...@googlemail.com wrote: I tried changing my st config to use Inconsolata however after compiling the following error occurs at runtime Can't load font -*-inconsolata-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-* xfontsel displayed the inconsolata font fine. Currently I am using terminus. Run xset q just to make sure your font path is correct. (Also be aware of where you've installed inconsolata.) I find that on RedHat systems, for reasons I don't care to investigate, xfontsel's ability to display a font is not correlated with the same ability in other X software, but for some reason xterm is a good indicator. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Build system: redo
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: none of which indicates mk is any more similar to make than redo To actually answer your question, mk-files resemble Makefiles more than whatever redo is using. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] github mirror
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 12:54:50PM +0200, Kai Hendry wrote: https://github.com/scklss/dwm/graphs/ haha what the hell value is this exactly Sometimes, I find I'm being too productive at work, so I generate some graphs representing work I was doing when I was being productive and show them to my manager, and he likes them. This new feature will make everyone writing suckless software more like a manager and less like an engineer, and I think we can all agree that the world needs more managers and fewer engineers. I find that when a project has more managers than engineers, it produces so many productivity charts that the productivity of the project as a whole is essentially infinite. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dmenu] doesn't appear with 2 monitors and no application opened
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Uli Armbruster uli.armbrus...@googlemail.com wrote: After booting my laptop with an external monitor connected, I cannot run dmenu_run, it simply doesn't show up. I don't know how to give you more specific informations like terminal output, because as soon as I open a terminal, it works. Usually the output for your window manager (which is where errors will end up) ends up in Xorg.log, or ~/.vnc/[host:port].log if you're running a VNC server. If your window manager is running on a different machine than your X server, though... I have no idea. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [surf] port for gtk3
You must be very proud of yourself? Yes, it is very difficult to use a computer without bloat. It is like a chair without a cushion. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [ii] exposed password on process monitoring
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 15, 2012 6:13 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:28:14PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Why not just pass the argument from a file?
Exec --flag `cat password-file`
hahahah
What is so funny?
Try this for me: take the attached file, argv.c, and drop it
somewhere; find it, run make argv, and then do something like:
$ echo secretpassword passwordfile
$ ./argv `cat passwordfile`
Look at the output. If you haven't caught on yet, run ps or top and
look at the process. Make sense now?
--Andrew Hills
#include stdio.h
int main(int argc, char** argv)
{
int i;
for(i = 0; i argc; i++)
printf(argv[%d]=\%s\\n, i, argv[i]);
for(;;);
return 0;
}
Re: [dev] [ii] exposed password on process monitoring
On Jun 15, 2012 5:53 AM, Rob robpill...@gmail.com wrote: You can't depend on this - what if another user's process snapshots ii's argv array before ii overwrites it? Fair enough. For me, this risk is low enough that I rely on it at work. Since the -k password option is still in tip, here's a patch that masks it in argv. (I tried to match the coding style as close as possible.) --Andrew Hills ii-mask-key-argv.patch Description: Binary data
Re: [dev] [ii] exposed password on process monitoring
If you don't want the password argument to appear in ps/top listings, you can write over argv like curl does (see references to cleanarg(char*) in src/tool_getparam.c and the function definition in tool_paramhlp.c:133, at least in curl-7.26.0). I'm pretty sure that writable argv is guaranteed by C89, although that doesn't really mean anything in practice... but it works on Linux. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] st utf8 printing
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Eckehard Berns ecki-suckl...@ecki.to wrote: Vim draws placeholder chars for anything it can't display. But nobody uses the pure X11 GUI of Vim anyway. You either use Vim in a terminal or the GTK+ GUI (which - as far as I can tell - uses Pango to draw text). You couldn't pay me to use the GTK+ GUI. I use the pure X11 GUI. So does everyone else here at work. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] st utf8 printing
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: Somebody claiming to be Andrew Hills wrote: You couldn't pay me to use the GTK+ GUI. I use the pure X11 GUI. So does everyone else here at work. People use vim from a GUI? /me confused Vim works better when it's not stuck in a terminal fighting for breath. I know, X11 spoils me. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] C talk
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: Sure. Also avoid mentioning int, char, float, preprocessing, compiling, and functions. Don't forget to avoid those dangerous operators. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] C talk
As an exercise, have the students parse this: http://www.ioccc.org/2006/toledo2/toledo2.c --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [st] 0.2.1 is out
Will this be released/available at http://dl.suckless.org/st/? I don't have Mercurial access at work. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [st] 0.2.1 is out
Thanks. It looks like the SHELL macro is still in config.h and still doesn't do anything. Should it replace sh on line 712 of st.c? --Andrew Hills On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Aurélien Aptel aurelien.ap...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote: Will this be released/available at http://dl.suckless.org/st/? I don't have Mercurial access at work. You don't need mercurial to get a tarball from the repo. http://hg.suckless.org/st/archive/revison or tag.tar.gz http://hg.suckless.org/st/archive/0.2.1.tar.gz
Re: [dev] Suckless.org Man page links
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: I think users should use man on their local host instead. Before I was familiar with the software, having the man pages on the website was very convenient, as the retarded version of man shipped with RHEL (at work, of course) wouldn't let me point to an arbitrary directory of man page files or an arbitrary man page file. This is an edge case, but I am suggesting that it could be helpful to those of us desperately trying to survive in a world of broken Unix machines maintained by an MCITP-certified IT department. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Suckless.org Man page links
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: In such a world you could run a proper environment using qemu or virtualbox, right? Anyhow, if there is more demand for the man pages, I might revise my decision. Unfortunately, no. But, when man pages were not immediately available online, I hacked together some godawful sh script that called the right sequence of nroff and whatever else man uses. In any case, my need has passed; the suckless tools are not so complicated that I can't remember their syntax. The number of users stuck in completely backwards environments is probably so low that it is not worth the effort of suckless developers to update yet another section of the website whenever something changes. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [st] 0.2 is out
The SHELL macro from config.h isn't used; instead, the shell is grabbed with getenv(SHELL). I guess this was the default behavior before, but the last time I used st-0.1.1 I didn't mind having bash as my shell, so I didn't catch it--sorry. The macro should be removed from config.def.h if it's not used; attached is a patch for st-0.2 that doesn't use getenv(), which works for me because I don't have a choice of setting $SHELL when dwm is launched. I'm sure someone will have a better idea for handling this, or I could have changed the termcmd in dwm's config.h, or whatever. --Andrew Hills st-use-shell-macro.patch Description: Binary data
Re: [dev] [st] 0.2 is out
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in wrote: Why can't you set $SHELL? Stupid restrictions on the environment at work. I telnet into some silly interface to launch a VNC server; all I can specify is the window manager executable's path, and it tests to make sure it's a binary. I guess I could write a program to set $SHELL and launch dwm, but changing st is faster, and the only place it matters. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] dwm + Citrix
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Johan Guldmyr johan.guld...@csc.fi wrote: wmname = LG3D This is for Java nonsense; I haven't found it to help with broken applications not using Java. office 2007 ... Office applications through Citrix aren't working that well for me in dwm. Office, as in MS Office? I don't know what Citrix is, but here's a blog post from their website that says you shouldn't use it with MS Office: http://blogs.citrix.com/2011/06/16/layers-of-cake-ms-office-in-the-base/ --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] dwm 6.0
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Dean 78...@web.de wrote: Of course, now I see it: 0=infinity in this case, i.e. slave effectively becomes master :-) Be careful when creating a power vacuum. Eliminating the remaining authority will lead to anarchy as the slaves all scramble to create a new class of masters. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Siemens RTL Tiled Window Manager
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Ellis Cohen wins. I demand that 1:00 - 1:25 be used to introduce every talk on dwm from here on out. I'll second that. I also enjoyed his closing remark: We don't always use the available space because sometimes it just can't be used. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] what's your opinion on Go
I've heared that functional programming will take over the world for the last decade. When talking to some older geeks they've heared this since the 70s. Now we are in the year 2012 nearly, and functional programming is still niche. The problem, as I see it, is that you can't teach functional programming to stupid/most people, but you can make .NET easy enough that they can design barely-functioning Web 3.0 pages without much mental effort or understanding. Maybe I'm just a little bitter about the number of morons who water down the value of my degree, though. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] an interesting rant by Landley
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: What's a landley? An angry man, judging by the blog. Some of the entries have interesting history (to someone new to computers, like me). --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] wmii + ruby 1.9.3 = no power woes!
I think you misunderstand. While he may wish that no user again uses wmii, that is not what he has stated here. His stated wish is wmii's removal from suckless.org because it does not meet suckless standards. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] 2000 SLOC
Nothing you do to a web standard will ever keep a designer from using an image to display text content except disallowing the transfer of images. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] 2000 SLOC
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Jeremy Jackins jeremyjack...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from wmii, what other projects do you have in mind? I'm suddenly nervous that my favorite software is going to start to disappear... I think dwm, dmenu, and st are slated for removal, based on prior discussions on this list. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Linux sucks!
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal person i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And wet back to windows, even google docs was better for the job. OpenOffice = The Linux Desktop? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Introducing XLSH
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: It's far from terrible, but passing the filename of a short script to a minimalistic statically compiled shell from init seams cleaner. But your way doesn't pose any problems if you don't ever use bash on tty1. I do so on daily bases, and thus code differently. Do you use all (six?) of your ttys? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] st features that'd be nice
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote: It isn't. I use terminus 16 on my computers, one with an Intel gfx card, one with an nVidia one, and they are both quite fast. The computers are fast, or st has no performance issues (and is thus fast)? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] st features that'd be nice
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote: st has no performance issues. The computers are slow, by modern standards (900Mhz CPU). Right, and I have a similar speed and font size (and no issues), yet users with faster machines experience degraded performance. I'm wondering if they have significantly more characters (read: orders of magnitude more) drawn, which would be a good starting point to trace the problem (unless someone already knows what the problem is). At work I use a 1600x1200 resolution and also have no performance issues, but I also am using Xming or VNC and running it on large expensive machines, so it's not a good comparison. Recently I have discovered that, independent of the value of $TERM, I am unable to use ^C or ^\ to kill tail when following a file. I am required to ^Z, kill %%. However, no other program seems to have this problem. Has anyone else seen this behavior? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Some questions about st and a patch
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sending out a kilobyte of text with an eleven-word reply buried in the middle, Stephen Paul Weber. Hey, at least those of us who know where to find his public key know that it was actually sent by him, or someone else with access to his computer. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Some questions about st and a patch
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: Or are you complaining about filesize? Are you on dialup? No, just complaining that it's hard to find the content in your message when the majority of my mail reader's window is full of PGP signature instead of words. That, and reading this list for an hour will tell you the general opinion on inefficiency of any kind. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] st features that'd be nice
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Stefan Mark m...@unserver.de wrote: For me, performance is the main issue. Drawing of 'mc' on higher resolutions (1600x1200 or 1920x1080) tooks about 10s (sometimes more) on a reasonable fast machine. Drawing 'top' took a bit less, but not much. When doing so, st itself uses nearly none cpu time, but x11 took around 97%. (using st 0.1.1) Strangely enough, at 1400x1050 on a Pentium M laptop running at 1GHz, I find no performance issues running top, with a CPU usage somewhat, but not significantly, higher than xterm's (for both st and X). This is with st tip and 0.1.1. Using st as an xterm replacement for some time, I found that the missing scrollback buffer is unimportant to me, so long as I have less, and the only real workaround I use is telling vim that it's running in an xterm. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Make dmenu sensitive to user aliases (Hello world)
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: mouthbreathing farmers. I can't tell whether or not this is an insult. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] How to get windows opened on one tag?
MOD-J until you're back at the first window. If you need the list all at once, maybe write them down as you go? You could also attach a debugger and browse through the client list. --Andrew Hills On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Yue Wu vano...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, Sometimes I want to know all windows that I've opened on current tag, to know if a window has opened and decide to find and switch to it, so my question is how to get a list of opened windows names on current tag? The statusbar shows only current focus window name. -- Regards, Yue Wu State Key laboratory of Natural Products and Functions Department of Traditional Chinese Medicine China Pharmaceutical University(中國藥科大學) No.24, Tongjia Xiang Street, Nanjing 210009, China
Re: [dev] Bug (feature) in Swing applications (Netbeans)
When I'm using Java software that fails in dwm, I run the wmname tool. For details: http://tools.suckless.org/wmname --Andrew Hills On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Catalin David catalindavid2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Thanks for the great work that you are doing with DWM. Been using it and reading your rants for the past 2 years, but I have stumbled across a bug today and I am not sure what is to be done. First of all, thanks in advance for the bashing of Java and Swing and how they are not working on Linux. I am using DWM 5.8.2 and the problem comes with Netbeans and has been reported on other WM-s too (sun-java6). Everything lives on top of a customized Ubuntu Natty distribution. I have a dual-head setup, powered by an ATI HD5650 video card. Steps to reproduce the issue: 1. open Netbeans (or other Swing app) in one tag. Make sure the editor has focus 2. navigate to another tag (either via kb or click on the tag) 3. navigate back to Netbeans tag 4. editor does not have focus any more. Related documentation -- apparently this is a known bug in other WMs too and Oracle people just say that the besides GNOME and KDE, they do not support anything else. Issue in ion3 ML: http://www.mail-archive.com/ion-general@lists.berlios.de/msg03073.html Issue in XMonad: http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=177 Official Sun / Oracle bug report: http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6798064 Maybe some of you can make more sense about this than me, since I am very inexperienced with X programming in C. Maybe it's a known issue, but I was not able to find any reference in DWM on the interwebs. Thanks a lot in advance, Catalin -- ** Catalin David M.Sc. Smart Systems 2012 B.Sc. Computer Science 2010 Jacobs University Bremen Phone: +49-(0)1577-49-38-667 Hans-Hermann-Sieling-Strasse 2A Bremen, 28759 Germany **
Re: [dev] [wmii] modkey-2 misbehaving on dvorak keyboard after a change in wmiirc_local
twosuperior isn't a key on US keyboards, and pressing Alt-2 injects it in many applications. It is possible that it is confusing Alt-2 with your literal twosuperior. Just a thought--I'm not an expert. --Andrew Hills On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mr. Bougs mrbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm running wmii's hg tip (rev 2788). I just experienced a strange behaviour with the specific shortcut $MODKEY-2 after switching from the be (azerty) to the us dvorak-intl xkb layout. When using that shortcut, the current window seems to lose focus (the title bar stays highlighted). When I press it again, the window gains focus and it inputs a 2. xev shows nothing interesting. The problem does not happen in openbox and is independent on the definition of $MODKEY, so it must be wmii's fault somehow. I had inserted these few lines into wi_events in my wmiirc_local: #Additional tag shortcut for 0 Key $MODKEY-twosuperior wmiir xwrite /ctl view 0 Key $MODKEY-Shift-twosuperior wmiir xwrite /client/sel/ctl tags 0 The ² key is the upper left key on belgian keyboards, to the left of 1. Everything worked fine on the belgian layout. Commenting these lines out made MODKEY-2 work as expected on dvorak. Since I don't need this specific twosuperior shortcut on a dvorak keyboard, this does not bother me, but I thought it was a strange enough behaviour to be worth mentioning here. Should I submit this to the bug tracker, or does it need more info? Thank you for your attention, Mr. B
Re: [dev] [dmenu] add a space when tab is pressed [patch]
I don't want to add an argument when I press Tab. On what system is this the default operation, such that it is obvious? --Andrew Hills On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM, s...@alternametz.org wrote: Hello, when tab is pressed, one wants obviously to add an argument and has to press space before that. The attached patch does it for you. Have a nice week-end.
Re: [dev] [dwm] layers
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Jean-Paul DEUX t...@rocketmail.com wrote: I want to simultaneously have thunderbird in monocle mode and skype in tile mode in the same tag and switch between them (_all_ thunderbird windows and _all_ skype windows) like if they are simple windows. I think what you want is the pertag patch, which, if I'm not completely wrong, allows you to choose your layout per tag. Then you can have a tag for Thunderbird and a tag for Skype and set them to different layouts. Does that work for you? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] layers
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jean-Paul DEUX t...@rocketmail.com wrote: For example, if I want a third application for chat (I don't know, say pidgin) I have to create a new tag, and it's not very handy to create a new tag for each new application I install. Do you really install applications so often that thirty seconds rebuilding dwm will inconvenience you? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about dropping dwm's sloppy focus is it saves 20 lines of code! So how about we make dwm less mousy and a bit simpler, too? Since the attached patch only removes code, couldn't a macro in config.h trivially be used to select focus behavior without clutter? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] segfault
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Arian Kuschki arian.kusc...@googlemail.com wrote: How can I diff my local version against tip? Check out tip: hg clone http://hg.suckless.org/dwm Then diff: diff /path/to/your/dwm.c /path/to/tip/dwm.c --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Microsoft considers harmful...
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: WebApps take all the power away from site administrators and give it to distributors. Bingo. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Microsoft considers harmful...
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:00 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: http://blogs.technet.com/b/srd/archive/2011/06/16/webgl-considered-harmful.aspx From the article: In its current form, WebGL is not a technology Microsoft can endorse from a security perspective. It doesn't sound any worse from a security perspective than any of their other products, which they have no problem endorsing. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Experimental editor
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote: But if we're thinking about breaking from the terminal, how would remote editing work? Some sort of ssh piping from / to the file on the server? I haven't thought this through, but it's certainly a usecase which would be nice to cover. scp --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Experimental editor
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Rob robpill...@gmail.com wrote: sshfs? That's what I use, personally, but some people hate it, and it's not always available. I prefer to see the network latency when I'm actually reading or writing the file rather than seeing my editor freeze, though, so I always use sshfs or scp. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Experimental editor
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradley weat...@gmail.com wrote: I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow keys. Did you steal it from a museum? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Experimental editor
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Szabolcs Nagy n...@port70.net wrote: * Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com [2011-06-15 11:51:17 -0400]: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradley weat...@gmail.com wrote: I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow keys. Did you steal it from a museum? you don't have to go to a musem for that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-Mobile_G1_launch_event_2.jpg That keyboard also doesn't have Ctrl... and I'm guessing no one here will bother porting the editor to an Android app. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Experimental editor
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Piotr Zalewa zal...@gmail.com wrote: I use G2 as an emergency when I need to edit via SSH. it works well with vi. I have a Motorola Droid on which I use vi over SSH on a regular basis. It is extremely painless. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] zoom() monocle
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Yoshi Rokuko yo...@rokuko.net wrote: yes mod+[jk] is nice but still i like the behavior of zoom() without line 2037 more even though in monocle there is no distinction between master and slaves - wait there is, slaves are invisible ... ... probably i'm redefining master here ... So you would rather have mod+[jk] focus the windows without pulling them to the front, and use zoom to bring them to the front? I don't think anyone would suggest that, but that's the only purpose of zoom in monocle mode that I can think of. You do understand that only one window per monitor is visible in monocle mode, right? --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] zoom() monocle
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: This can't be achieved by alternating Mod+k and Mod+j? Or half a dozen other ways with tags... --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] ideas on suckless file manager
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: changing the background is not something we do everyday unless you have any kind of mental disease.. I like to change my background to a random color every 2-10ms; it's easier on the eyes than the plain black I used formerly, especially with my transparent terminals. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Guilherme Lino guih.l...@gmail.com wrote: whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most suckless way No, not really... --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] Sandy editor
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Rafa Garcia Gallego rafael.garcia.gall...@gmail.com wrote: Answering direct questions: accepting a number modifier to commands seems cool and simple enough and I do use it a lot in vim. I was trying to avoid it for simplicity's sake, but if you lot feel it is necessary, then we can go ahead and add it. Let me know what you think. How would you add a number modifier in the Ctrl-only bind system? Chain it with Ctrl (Ctrl-1 Ctrl-2 to mean 12), or a new bind (also a chain) for selecting numbers (Ctrl-X 12 to mean 12)? I think regex-selection should be good enough to replace this feature. --Andrew Hills
Re: Playing music (was: Re: [dev] mret)
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:22 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmm. How do you buffer linewise? I'm 99% sure that means the songs file is a line-delimited list of filenames. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] TermKit
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote:
history | xmessage -file -
I keep this ugly mess around in for convenience:
h()
{
`history | perl -e 'while(STDIN){s/\s+\d+\s+//;push
@o,$_;}for($i=$#o-1;$i=0;$i--){print $o[$i];}' | dmenu -b`
}
--Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] TermKit
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry for my total lack of 1337ness, but what does the perl part do? Strips the numbers off the start of each line, reverses the order (for most recent first), and skips the first (last) entry (which is the command you typed to bring up the history). --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] TermKit
Thanks for the Perl-readability tip. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Benjamin R. Haskell suckl...@benizi.com wrote: Don't have `tac` installed? (I think it's in linux-utils or core-utils, but maybe it's linux- and/or GNU-centric.) I do most of my work on Solaris, and it's not really worth the effort to install tac to use it in one place. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] TermKit
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: I just pasted the output of TermKit. Something tells me to suspect that this is untrue. --Andrew Hills
