Re: [dev] Suckless remote shell?

2013-11-03 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Sylvain BERTRAND sylw...@legeek.net wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 12:24:38PM -0500, Bobby Powers wrote:
 There is a rather nice and complete looking SSH implementation in go:
 http://godoc.org/code.google.com/p/go.crypto/ssh

 Unfortunately, this is not C, this is a high level language (a
 naughty one: its syntax depends on an internal garbage
 collector).

No one ever said it had to be in c you fucking nerd.

 I would rather see a C- language defined, then a ssh
 implementation in that C- language.

Good for you.

 --
 Sylvain




Re: [dev] [dwm] Weird behavior of Java programs

2013-09-09 Thread Jacob Todd
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:46 PM,  7...@mail.com wrote:
 You want to know something funny? It's via the archlinux
 wiki that I found that wmname could solve that Java problem...

I think this information used to be on http://dwm.suckless.org somewhere,
but I can't find it now. It is mentioned at http://tools.suckless.org/wmname,
but there's no mention of that fixing broken java apps. Maybe someone
should add it.



Re: [dev] coreutils / moreutils - DC a directory counter

2013-07-17 Thread Jacob Todd
Yesterday.
On Jul 17, 2013 1:39 PM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know there is a naming conflict, what does that have to do with the
 usage of the program?

 What was the last time you used the reverse polish notation calculator
 that precedes the invention of C?

 Thank you,

 Calvin

 On 17 July 2013 13:36,  p37si...@lavabit.com wrote:
  dc - desk calculator
 
  http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/dc
  http://man.cat-v.org/unix-1st/1/dc
 
 




Re: [dev] dwm bit fields conversion

2013-07-07 Thread Jacob Todd
this will be useful for running dwm on my pdp-11.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:49 AM, koneu kone...@googlemail.com wrote:
 In Xdefs.h, Bool is typedef'd as int (= at least 2 bytes, sometimes more, 
 depending on the implementation), of which we set the last bit to 1 or 0.
 In the Monitor and Client structures dwm uses, we can instead use char bit 
 fields, storing up to 8 Bool values in 1 byte.

 diff --git a/dwm.c b/dwm.c
 index 314adf4..83af1f6 100644
 --- a/dwm.c
 +++ b/dwm.c
 @@ -91,7 +91,7 @@ struct Client {
 int basew, baseh, incw, inch, maxw, maxh, minw, minh;
 int bw, oldbw;
 unsigned int tags;
 -   Bool isfixed, isfloating, isurgent, neverfocus, oldstate, 
 isfullscreen;
 +   unsigned char isfixed :1, isfloating :1, isurgent :1, neverfocus :1, 
 oldstate :1, isfullscreen :1, :2;
 Client *next;
 Client *snext;
 Monitor *mon;
 @@ -121,8 +121,7 @@ struct Monitor {
 unsigned int seltags;
 unsigned int sellt;
 unsigned int tagset[2];
 -   Bool showbar;
 -   Bool topbar;
 +   unsigned char showbar :1, topbar :1, :6;
 Client *clients;
 Client *sel;
 Client *stack;





Re: [dev] [sbase] shell scripts

2013-07-07 Thread Jacob Todd
You could just use sed 10q file.



Re: [dev] lisp

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Szabolcs Nagy n...@port70.net wrote:
 but there is good news for those who think c is bad: there are
 emerging platforms which may give rise to different languages:
 jvm on mobile and enterprise systems and the web with js..

how is that good news? that's horrible news.



Re: [dev] dwm: native window tabs

2013-06-25 Thread Jacob Todd
Have you not heard of tabbed?


Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Did you compile dwm with xinerama enabled?
On Jun 11, 2013 6:54 AM, Rémy Lefevre lefevrer...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I experience today a problem with Virtualbox and DWM. I have two monitors
 connected to my PC. Toggling the screen in Virtualbox (Host + Home then
 View - VirtualScreen - HostScreenX) in full screen mode has no effect. So
 Virtualbox stays on the primary screen and not switch to the second one.
 The problem seems related to DWM as it works with other WM. Do you have any
 idea why it doesn't work with DWM ? Thanks in advance for your help.

 Regards,

 Rémy.



Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Jacob Todd
No, not having a website would suck less.


Re: [dev] New pager

2013-06-03 Thread Jacob Todd
you forgot to attach it.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
 Hi suckless,

 I was fed up reading in mupdf (too paginated and annoying to get
 text into), a terminal (too monospaced), or surf (too massive), so
 thought I should make something better. So I spent an afternoon
 making a pager that you pipe text into, with tcl/tk, and I think
 it's quite good (with tk 8.5 - everything is ugly with 8.5). It's
 attached.

 Anybody have an opinion about it? Anything you'd add or take away or
 do differently?

 In case anyone wants to reuse it, consider it under the ISC license.

 Nick




Re: SV: [dev] Why HTTP is so bad?

2013-05-22 Thread Jacob Todd
yes; gmail changed my preferences again.

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Gregor Best g...@ring0.de wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:19:46PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
 no.
 [...]

 Isn't it kinda ironic that this mail came as HTML?

 --
 Gregor Best




Re: [dev] [st] windows port?

2013-04-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Kill yourself.
On Apr 11, 2013 12:42 PM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Apr 11, 2013 11:54 AM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote:
 
  Greetings.
 
  On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I know what you're probably thinking.
  
   A) That's stupid
 
  Windows is the reason why we lack behind in software development by more
  than 20 years. Software is unusable,  proprietary  and  programmers  are
  taught  that  things should be that way and only because Redmond created
  this environment.

 If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
 has? Windows is certainly not ideal in any sense but you can't deny its
 ongoing success commercially.

 
  Apple and Google are creating the next backstep by binding developer re‐
  sources in complete separate environments.

 What does this even mean? I could try to tease some sense out of it but
 I'll leave that burden to you...

 
  All  people  spreading  Windows  should  be  laughed at and sent back to
  school for learning some real job. The same applies for people spreading
  Google  or Apple.  People spreading the web should be shot, because they
  are the reason for the next 10 years of technological standstill.

 The web is the future of computing, that much is evident. You can hole
 yourself up in your little imaginary world where users don't matter, nobody
 actually gets paid, and the sole criteria for judging software systems lies
 in their strict adherence to a bunch vaguely articulated idealist
 principles. I'll be out here in the real world, with the rest of the sane
 people.



Re: [dev] [st] Segmentation fault when clicking the top of window

2013-03-26 Thread Jacob Todd
What exactly are we supposed to do with all of this xml?
On Mar 26, 2013 5:27 PM, Markus Teich markus.te...@stusta.mhn.de wrote:

 Heyho,

 Thanks! I managed to reproduce this bug in a VM on OpenBSD 5.2.
 The difficult part was to get my debugging system to work on OpenBSD,
 but i figured it out and finally got a report (see attachement).

 If you have any ideas of how to improve the reports, please tell me.

 --Markus


 Am 24.03.2013 18:55, schrieb Anthony J. Bentley:
  Markus Teich writes:
  Since i am currently working on a debugging tool, i would very much
  like to reproduce this bug.
 
  I can reproduce this on OpenBSD -current with st-0.3.
 
  $ ldd `which st`
  /usr/local/bin/st:
StartEnd  Type Open Ref GrpRef Name
156e5c60 156e5ca0f000 exe  10   0
  /usr/local/bin/st
157068525000 157068a56000 rlib 04   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.15.1
15705d6ca000 15705dad5000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/lib/libutil.so.11.4
15705e2d6000 15705e6e7000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.12.0
15705dad5000 15705dee8000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.8.0
15705ff6c000 1570603af000 rlib 02   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libfontconfig.so.8.0
15706ab84000 15706b06c000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/lib/libc.so.66.2
15705ec3d000 15705f05b000 rlib 04   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libxcb.so.2.4
157069adf000 157069f03000 rlib 02   0
  /usr/lib/libexpat.so.10.0
157069655000 157069adf000 rlib 02   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so.19.0
15705d1b6000 15705d5cb000 rlib 02   0
  /usr/lib/libz.so.4.1
157062dbb000 1570631c4000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.5.0
157068a56000 157068e58000 rlib 02   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libpthread-stubs.so.1.0
157067ed6000 1570682d9000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.so.9.0
1570631c4000 1570635c9000 rlib 01   0
  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXdmcp.so.10.0
15706a60 15706a60 rtld 01   0
  /usr/libexec/ld.so
 
  full backtrace attached.
 



Re: [dev] convergence

2013-01-01 Thread Jacob Todd
Please, unsubscribe from the list.

Thank you.


Re: [dev] convergence

2013-01-01 Thread Jacob Todd
I was the others in the thread to unsubscribe. I suggest you take a few
more classes on the english language.
On Jan 1, 2013 10:53 PM, Kai Hendry hen...@iki.fi wrote:

 On 2 January 2013 10:58, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Please, unsubscribe from the list.

 Tried using the Gmail unsubscribe UI?
 http://s.natalian.org/2013-01-02/1357098599_1366x768.png




Re: [dev] Migration to git

2012-12-09 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Kai Hendry hen...@iki.fi wrote:
 On 29 November 2012 12:13, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote:
 With the transfer to git, would it be possible for me to clone all of the
 suckless repositories in one fell sweep?

 curl -s http://git.suckless.org/ |
 xml sel -N x=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; -t -m //x:a -v '@title' -n |
 grep . |
 while read repo
 do git clone git://git.suckless.org/$repo
 done

 http://dabase.com/e/09020/


are you fucking kidding me



Re: [dev] uriel is gone

2012-10-14 Thread Jacob Todd
Can we see this proof?
On Oct 14, 2012 6:02 PM, s...@9front.org wrote:

  I saw this on the plan 9 playlist. Does anyone have any proof? (jw)

 yes.

 -sl




Re: [dev] [dwm] Merge of systemd and dwm.

2012-08-20 Thread Jacob Todd
My body is ready.


Re: [dev] Re: Regarding dogma words

2012-08-11 Thread Jacob Todd
.
On Aug 11, 2012 7:35 PM, s...@9front.org wrote:

  bottom posting goes away.




Re: Regarding dogma words [Was: Re: Regarding make-systems [Was: Re: [dev] Build system: redo]]

2012-08-10 Thread Jacob Todd
ok kid.
On Aug 10, 2012 5:29 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/08/2012, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote:
  well, this is an elitist list of mothafockas who don't give a shit
  about others. that's why communication theorists can go away.
 

 Yep. We're so elite, we're not bound by any mere laws of physics.
 Just watch us squeeze many GB of entropy into this tiny 4 kB memory chip.




Re: [dev] New friends

2012-08-04 Thread Jacob Todd
You must be new here.
On Aug 4, 2012 6:40 PM, Hadrian Węgrzynowski hadr...@hawski.com wrote:

 Dnia 2012-07-31, o godz. 16:16:43
 Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com napisał(a):

  On 31 July 2012 16:14, Lee Fallat ircsurfe...@gmail.com wrote:
   Yeah I saw this today as well and looks to be promising, but what's
   wrong with ALSA? :)
  
  
   ...ok fine you caught me, everything is wrong with alsa
 
  This is always a good laugh
 
  http://www.pc-freak.net/images/linuxaudio-mess-picture.png
 
  Calvin
 

 I don't understand how is it different on any other major OS. There are
 always third party libraries.




Re: [dev] [PATCH] sbase: add cut

2012-08-02 Thread Jacob Todd
Kill it with fire.
On Aug 2, 2012 1:42 PM, Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu wrote:

 On 08/02/2012 04:34 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:


 I think cut is exactly the kind of job that awk (or sed) can be good
 for. It seems crazy not to use an existing tool that implements all
 the functionality, that can be nicely bundled in a a script.


 To be honest, I feel the same way about head(1) -- why bother
 maintaining C when the tool is obviously a subset of another tool?


 This is what happens.

 http://perllinux.sourceforge.**net/ http://perllinux.sourceforge.net/
 A Linux distribution where ALL programs are written in perl.




Re: [dev] [PATCH] sbase: add chroot

2012-08-01 Thread Jacob Todd
You could have at least tried to match the formatting of the rest of the
project.


Re: [dev] New friends

2012-07-31 Thread Jacob Todd
Interesting.


Re: [dev] Build system: redo

2012-07-15 Thread Jacob Todd
Mk shares no code from make.
On Jul 15, 2012 1:54 PM, Andreas Wagner andreasbwag...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mk is just a cleaned up version of make. In contrast, the implementations
 of redo itself and build files written for it are much simpler. Redo also
 improves on correctness.

 Check this out: http://cr.yp.to/redo.html

 I like redo, but I do think it should have been implemented in C from the
 start.

 Andreas Wagner
 On Jul 15, 2012 12:53 PM, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 July 2012 15:28, Prakhar Goel newt0...@gmail.com wrote:
  I propose adding redo to the list of software that rocks. It'll also
  give you a nice incremental build system to use.
 
  Info here: http://apenwarr.ca/log/?m=201012#14

 The holy make replacement is already there:

   http://man.suckless.org/9base/mk

 Best regards,
 Anselm




Re: [dev] minimal wm request

2012-04-06 Thread Jacob Todd
Monster wm


Re: [dev] C talk

2012-02-29 Thread Jacob Todd
Whatever you do, don't mention arithmetic. That stuff is hard.
On Feb 29, 2012 9:22 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kurt H Maier khm-suckl...@intma.in
 wrote:
  Sure. Also avoid mentioning int, char, float, preprocessing, compiling,
  and functions.

 Don't forget to avoid those dangerous operators.

 --Andrew Hills




Re: [dev] C talk

2012-02-29 Thread Jacob Todd
Woah, getting a little too technical. Tone it down.
On Feb 29, 2012 9:35 PM, Antonio Hernández Blas hba.nihilis...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Whatever you do, don't mention arithmetic. That stuff is hard.

 Seriously? what about logic? Dealing with true || false just blows your
 mind.

 --
 -
 hba | Antonio Hernández Blas | Mexico, Mx.
 http://hba.dyndns.info | http://barrapunto.com/~hba/ |
 irc://irc.freenode.org/hba,isnick,needpass




Re: [dev] Suckless OS (was About escape sequences and stuff)

2012-02-12 Thread Jacob Todd
I've yet to see a functioning microkernel smaller than the plan 9 kernel.
On Feb 12, 2012 8:34 AM, Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us wrote:

 On 2012-02-11 22:35, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote:

  All the real fun seems to happen in L4


 And Minix3. Microkernels will win, eventually...

 --
 Pierre Chapuis




Re: [dev] Environment variables

2012-02-12 Thread Jacob Todd
Plan 9 always sucks less than unix.
On Feb 12, 2012 8:38 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:09:44 -, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net
 wrote:

 Some of you might be more experienced in the old Unix ways and
 might know how in the good old days all the environment variables
 were standardized. What I am up to: There are these new stylish
 ways of running applications based on their file extensions or
 mime types, which is annoying and leads to many symlinks. Instead
 some environment variables do exist. But maybe history has evolved
 some other substandards than I know?

  Bind mount or symlink. Do not construct pathnames from environment
 variables.
 mount -o bind /usr/bin/vim /bin/editor
 In fact, the /etc/alternatives mess of Debian would be acceptable, if it
 were not for the symlinks from /usr/bin to /etc/alternatives. They're
 forced to do that, however, because of the way $PATH works.

 In this regard, Plan 9 sucks less than Unix.
 --
 -,Bjartur




Re: [dev] Suckless OS (was About escape sequences and stuff)

2012-02-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Plan 9 is still being developed and is in use by business and universities,
unlike react os and haiku.  Just because it was started in the 80s doesn't
automatically make it bad.


Re: [dev] Re: Suckless.org Man page links

2012-02-10 Thread Jacob Todd
Check the hackers ml, the commit message is in there.


Re: [dev] wmii falling out of favor

2011-12-22 Thread Jacob Todd
On Dec 22, 2011 12:03 PM, Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now that you mention it, I rarely use this feature because it's too
 coarse grained.  For instance, I have tags pre-allocated for particular
 tasks so viewing more than one of them simultaneously pulls in too many
 unrelated clients into my view when I'm usually interested in a subset.

I'm almost certain you're using dwm wrong.


Re: [dev] an interesting rant by Landley

2011-11-14 Thread Jacob Todd
What's a landley?


Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-09 Thread Jacob Todd
It's funny because they don't realize they've been trolled.


Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Jacob Todd
I'm in favor of this man porn.
On Nov 7, 2011 5:12 PM, Justin Pogue pogue.jus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dibs on writing the keyboard vs mouse for porn viewing documentation.
 We could sneak it in as an extra man page with DWM.  man porn

 On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote:

  Of course we have huge disparities and holy fights, like how
  to edit text or if it is more worthwhile to use a keyboard
  or the mouse for watching porn. This could be documented and
  shortened to a small »mission statement«.




Re: [dev] Anti-GPL hipsters

2011-10-20 Thread Jacob Todd
The gpl is slavery.
On Oct 20, 2011 8:09 PM, Claude Lelouch lelou...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Why don't I have the freedom to own slaves?




Re: [dev] [dmenu] add a space when tab is pressed [patch]

2011-08-26 Thread Jacob Todd
Then don't apply the patch.
On Aug 26, 2011 6:56 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't want to add an argument when I press Tab. On what system is
 this the default operation, such that it is obvious?

 --Andrew Hills



 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM, s...@alternametz.org wrote:
 Hello,
 when tab is pressed, one wants obviously to add an argument
 and has to press space before that.
 The attached patch does it for you.
 Have a nice week-end.




Re: [dev] dwm 5.9 small patch for non xinerama users

2011-07-26 Thread Jacob Todd
Grep is your friend.
On Jul 26, 2011 9:10 AM, mauro tonon tono...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/7/25 Thomas Dahms thmsd...@googlemail.com:
 Hi,

 2011/7/22 mauro tonon tono...@gmail.com:
 I noted that if i disable Xinerama, i don't use also the following
 functions: dirtomon, focusmon, tagmon.
 So, i think it is possible to hold all these functions between #ifdef
 XINERAMA ... #endif.
 The difference in the final binary file size is very little but...
 A possible patch is attached...

 What about prefixing these functions with something like xinerama_?
 They would then be all after another and a single ifdef would suffice
 instead of three.

 --
 Thomas Dahms



 Right.
 I think there will be no difference in the final binary file, but the
 code would be simpler to read...
 I propose these substitutions in the name of the functions:

 dirtomon - xr_dirtotom
 focusmon - xr_focusmon
 tagmon - xr_tagmon
 isuniqegeom - xr_isuniquegeom

 and so it's possible to enclose all them between a single #ifdef ...
#endif.

 By the way, where is the declaration of the isuniquegeom boolean
function?



Re: [dev] color-scheme

2011-07-25 Thread Jacob Todd
Sam's color scheme. If I have to use vim I use zenburn, but that one looks
alright.
On Jul 25, 2011 12:23 PM, ilf i...@zeromail.org wrote:
 What's your favorite color-scheme? I just came across this one:
 http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized

 While this may not be suckless core, we are pretty terminal focused.
 Also we did touch the topic before. I just hope, this won't get too
 religious.

 --
 ilf

 Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg!
 -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung


Re: [dev] Distribution

2011-06-03 Thread Jacob Todd
Sabotage.


Re: [dev] Sandy editor

2011-05-27 Thread Jacob Todd
Sam has sane keybindins.
On May 27, 2011 2:26 PM, Noah Birnel nbir...@gmail.com wrote:
 *Please*, use sane keybindings. Emacs and vi were made with a specific
 keyboard from the 70s in mind. A time were the hjkl keys had little
 arrows on them. A triangle layout (wqsd or ijkl for example) is much
 easier to type.

 Puke. Triangle layout may be more intuitive to learn for single char/line
 movement, but is probably not easier to type. Certainly not WASD layout,
 laying on the weak fingers of the left hand.

 Vi's ergonomic problems lay with @ and ESC on the modern keyboard, not
 with hjkl.

 Does anyone *know* what sane keybindings are? Vi seems less insane than
 most to me (once you restore @ and ESC to their 70's positions, and swap
 CTRL / ALT), but - it's still pretty insane.

 - Noah




Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Jacob Todd
This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.


Re: [dev] dwm

2011-05-06 Thread Jacob Todd
There's a patch that provides that functionality. Check the wiki.
On May 6, 2011 8:56 AM, m1...@web.de wrote:
 hi!

 there are a lot of important things from wmii which cant be found in dwm
anymore..
 for example the stacked/maximised-mode or the ability to change the
positions of
 frames in a tag via Alt+Shift+[h/j/k/l]. I was thinking about to change to
dwm but
 without this main-features the dayly use of a wm is much more tedious.
 ___
 Schon gehört? WEB.DE hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die
 Toolbar eingebaut! http://produkte.web.de/go/toolbar



Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
That's a feature.
On May 5, 2011 3:39 AM, ilf i...@zeromail.org wrote:
 On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote:
 Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal?

 st lacks this.

 --
 ilf

 Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg!
 -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung


Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3


Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?

2011-04-22 Thread Jacob Todd
I'm not sure if it's my phone, but that font looks like braille.
On Apr 22, 2011 3:51 PM, Suraj Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Tom Kazimiers
 t...@voodoo-arts.net wrote:
 (screenshot: http://ompldr.org/vODNuag)

 You seem to use a nice (anti aliased) font. Out of curiosity: Can
 you please tell me what it is? Thanks.

 The font is Tamsyn at 12pt/8x17r (I use 11pt/8x15r now, however):
 http://www.fial.com/~scott/tamsyn-font/

 More information about that screenshot can be found here:
 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=912802#p912802

 Cheers.



Re: [dev] [dwm] NetActiveWindow

2011-04-14 Thread Jacob Todd
Stop calling tip trunk. No projects here use svn.


Re: [dev] [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-09, a musl+busybox based distribution

2011-04-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Is there a reason to not use dropbear in place of openssh?


Re: [dev] @bleidl, 26/03/11 19:41

2011-03-30 Thread Jacob Todd
 Your opinions are destructive.

It's creative destruction.


Re: [dev] /run coming to a linux distribution near you

2011-03-30 Thread Jacob Todd
Plan 9 doesn't have /var. Logs are kept in /sys/log, www crap in /usr/web,
mail in /mail, and everything else seems to have been overcome.


Re: [dev] @bleidl, 26/03/11 19:41

2011-03-29 Thread Jacob Todd
Arch sucks.

/troll


Re: [dev] Re: Version control for Sta.li

2011-03-20 Thread Jacob Todd
Fossil? The only fossil worth knowing about doesn't work on lunix.


Re: [dev] How do you cope with OSX? (if at all)

2011-03-18 Thread Jacob Todd
Some people want to Get Stuff Done, and access to a typewriter isn't going
to cut it then.
On Mar 18, 2011 11:46 AM, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote:
 Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com :

 I tried for months on a macnook pro 5,5 at work. I wound up putting
 Slackware on the damn thing, which mostly meant hacking up video and
 wifi drivers. In my opinion OS X is amazing in that they managed to
 screw up every single UI element in fresh and new ways. It really is
 the worst interface I have ever seen.

 I thought that access to POSIX terminal would suffice
 as UI?

 No, seriously.





Re: [dev] Application credentials input API (non-OS related)

2011-03-13 Thread Jacob Todd
auth/factotum from plan9 (or plan9port on unix).
On Mar 13, 2011 11:31 AM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hello all!

 I would like to ask the Suckless community about how they
 generally solve -- or would like to solve -- the problem of user
 credentials input in their applications. To be more clear, I'm not
 referring to actually authenticating / authorizing users (i.e.
 checking the credentials for correctness), but just about how does an
 application obtain the credentials from the users. For example let's
 say that we build a chat application that needs to have the users
 credentials (i.e. username / password) so it can pass it -- plain text
 or a cryptographic transformation -- to the server; but how does the
 application request the user for such credentials?

 My main questions are about:
 a) what kind of API would the developer expect to have? (is there
 such an API already?)
 b) what kind of method should actually be used? (read it from TTY,
 spawn a reader process, etc?)

 For example I'm aware of a couple existing methods -- some are
 pretty good solutions, some are just hacks -- but none of them have
 something which resembles an API:
 * for example some applications check the `*_ASKPASS` environment
 variable (or another argument) and execute that application passing in
 some unstructured text, and receiving unstructured text (by
 unstructured text I mean it can't be reliably processed to
 automatically provide the correct password (by looking up in a
 database for example), and we can't input two elements at the same
 time as username and password);
 * Plan9's Factotum which exposes a pretty good protocol, but is
 not used in either Linux or other Linux targeting projects; (there is
 only a login prototype);
 * systemd's password agents, which come up with a more Linux-ish
 fs-oriented protocol, but which again doesn't offer any API
 proposal;

 Any ideas, proposals?
 Ciprian.

 P.S.: I'm interested in this because until now the only password
 manager that I can trust to use are GPG encrypted text files, which
 I'm decrypting when I need them, and then I copy paste the information
 manually. (Actually I've created recently a tool that generates X
 events to eliminate the copy pasting.) But I would be happier if there
 would be a more sane solution for this problem -- like PAM solves
 for user login.



Re: [dev] browser flash videos and mpeg plugins

2011-02-26 Thread Jacob Todd
There's youtube-dl for youtube. With other sites you're on your own it
seems.
On Feb 26, 2011 9:07 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I've managed setting up my network, now I want to watch a movie.
 Currently I try to navigate fast on these streaming sites dodging most
 ads with pure speed until I get to the right page, where either the
 javascript for the flash player reveals the movie URI in the source
 code, or opera displays that plugin not found box which I can click
 to get the URI in some kind of alert box.

 I will then use my disk as a cache and run mplayer on the partially
 downloaded file.

 Is there a script for this? The javascript ads are getting too fast
 for me on that new pc...



Re: [dev] Not Using a Window Manager?

2011-02-26 Thread Jacob Todd
What you seem to get is a shot in the foot.
On Feb 26, 2011 12:07 PM, Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws
wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:17:50AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote:
 Precisely what value do you get out of hacking up shell scripts to do
 this with a dozen tools?

 It's at least a good way to understand exactly what one gets from X11. ;)


 Patrick



Re: [dev] which minimal os

2011-02-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Just pick a unix and drawterm to a plan 9 box.


Re: [dev] question about surf browser and saving passwords

2011-02-01 Thread Jacob Todd
It's definitely not a mail reader. That would be silly.

*facepalm*
On Feb 1, 2011 4:15 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote:
 WTF is an gmail client?

 On 1/31/11, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Blame android's gmail client.
 On Jan 31, 2011 2:53 PM, c...@wzff.de wrote:
 Excerpts from Claudiu Bucur's message of Mon Jan 31 01:24:18 +0100 2011:
 this is an intense mailing list...

 Also a thread-intense one, because some people's (or their MUAs) don't
get
 their In-reply-to and References-headers fixed, screwing up the entire
 threading. It just happened in this thread, when Jacob Todd apparently
 wanted
 to reply to the other thread with the same name. Can you please fix
this?
 it's
 annoying.
 The Message-ID I'm taling about is
 aanlktikf2w3yr1mou_qhqavrym3bl_6gfrczi6m0a...@mail.gmail.com





Re: [dev] question about surf browser and saving passwords

2011-01-31 Thread Jacob Todd
Blame android's gmail client.
On Jan 31, 2011 2:53 PM, c...@wzff.de wrote:
 Excerpts from Claudiu Bucur's message of Mon Jan 31 01:24:18 +0100 2011:
 this is an intense mailing list...

 Also a thread-intense one, because some people's (or their MUAs) don't get
 their In-reply-to and References-headers fixed, screwing up the entire
 threading. It just happened in this thread, when Jacob Todd apparently
wanted
 to reply to the other thread with the same name. Can you please fix this?
it's
 annoying.
 The Message-ID I'm taling about is
 aanlktikf2w3yr1mou_qhqavrym3bl_6gfrczi6m0a...@mail.gmail.com



Re: [dev] question about surf browser and saving passwords

2011-01-30 Thread Jacob Todd
No it doesn't.
On Jan 30, 2011 3:13 PM, Marvin Vek l...@onedot.nl wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:41:34PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote:
 requires a Windows computer with a copy of IE pointed at the Gentoo
 wiki.

 Gentoo's wiki requires a password, and doubt that you install Gentoo
 that way.

 --
 Marvin Vek
 -
 panic(Aarggh: attempting to free lock with active wait queue - shoot
Andy);
 linux-2.0.38/fs/locks.c



Re: [dev] question about surf browser and saving passwords

2011-01-30 Thread Jacob Todd
I don't give a fuck if their considered official or not, the only gentoo
wiki that is used is the one at gentoo-wiki.com. mentioning the 'official'
wiki is a non sequitor.


Re: [dev] question about surf browser and saving passwords

2011-01-29 Thread Jacob Todd
You managed to install gentoo but don't know how to check your $PATH? ...

echo $PATH


Re: [dev] dwm battery level alarm system

2011-01-26 Thread Jacob Todd
Check the 'simple monitors' page at dwm.suckless.org for a battery
percentage display. It doesn't blink or any silly crap like that, though.


Re: [dev] dwm battery level alarm system

2011-01-26 Thread Jacob Todd
My w510 doesn't buzz, but the battery light on the back of the lid (what a
great place to place it)  turns yellow when I have a low battery.
On Jan 26, 2011 6:09 PM, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote:


Re: [dev] dwm battery level alarm system

2011-01-26 Thread Jacob Todd
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:46, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote:

 T400.

 Last time battery died on me was when I
 muted laptop and forgot about it.

 It is usually really loud, and kicks in
 around 3% battery charge.

 I'm using FreeBSD, but it should not be
 platform/acpi implementation specific?

 It's more of safety feature, should be
 software independent IMHO.

 bes regards,
 - Jakub lach

I've never let my battery get down to 3% without needing a charge.
I'll try it tonight and see if I get a beep.

To the OP, here's a script to spawn xmessage when your battery is too low.

#!/bin/sh
if test $(cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state|grep remaining|awk '{print
$3}') -le 500; then
xmessage -center -buttons nothing:0,hibernate:1 Your battery is
low, what do you want to do?
DO=$?

if test $DO -eq 1; then
echo hibernating
fi
fi



Re: [dev] dwm battery level alarm system

2011-01-26 Thread Jacob Todd
You would need to add `sudo pm-hibernate` or whatever you use to
hibernate to the last if statement.



Re: [dev] Recent vain attempts at suckless Web applications

2011-01-23 Thread Jacob Todd
Do you do everything in a web browser? How the hell do you use that
abomination? It's a technicolor clusterfuck.
On Jan 22, 2011 8:47 PM, carmen _...@whats-your.name wrote:
 ...and this is precisely the garden path that people followed to create
modern massive web frameworks.

 indeed. Merb, when it began, was a 180 line of code masterpiece. somehow,
it bloated up to Rails proportions and eventually merged with it.

 Camping is decent, but i found it uneditable (without breaking), too much
metaprogramming insanity


 i wrote a small web daemon, and it is an email client, a media player,a
directory browser on crack and a lot of other stuff. 2500 lines now, but it
replaced every other app i ever used besides irssi and dwm

 pushed to these repos

 git://repo.or.cz/element.git http://repo.or.cz/w/element.git
 git://gitorious.org/element/element.git http://gitorious.org/element
 git://rubyforge.org/element.git http://element.rubyforge.org/


 screenshots http://s574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/ix9/hyper/

 doc http://blog.whats-your.name/public/carmen.html

 to avoid bloat, existing paradigms are used wherever possible. filesystem
for database, existing file formats and regex-based or library-based parser,
to triple-streams of RDF converted to a per-request Graph model (using
JSON/hash datastructure rather than inventin a new RDF::Graph class)

 minimalist clientside filtering tools exist, eg a 46 line replacement for
the ~600K of code Simile Exhibit project:
http://blog.whats-your.name/public/logex.png

 theres no weird auth crap, permissions handled via *nix - i run a
webserver bound to 127.0.0.1 to read my own mail in ~/, and su to another
dummy user to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 to serve up stuff publically.




Re: [dev] [st] Separating the wheat (terminal emulation) from the chaff (X)

2011-01-18 Thread Jacob Todd
You would keep the selected text selected. It makes no sense to select some
text, have some output causing the buffer to move, and have text you didn't
want selected be selected.


Re: [dev] wmii freezes momentarily and regularly

2011-01-18 Thread Jacob Todd
Does the same thing happen when you're not using wicd?


Re: [dev] wmii freezes momentarily and regularly

2011-01-18 Thread Jacob Todd
Wmii was still acting up or everything was fine? 'It' is ambiguous.


Re: [dev] [dmenu] Patch for XDG Base Directory specification of dmenu_path

2011-01-02 Thread Jacob Todd
$home/tmp


Re: [dev] #wmii

2010-11-28 Thread Jacob Todd
qq
On Nov 28, 2010 11:15 AM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
 hey kris if you're going to set the #wmii topic to channel all these
 stupid questions into #suckless can you at least show up in #suckless

 --
 # Kurt H Maier



Re: [dev] surf segfault

2010-11-21 Thread Jacob Todd
Probably because the patch wasn't applied to surf proper.
On Nov 21, 2010 6:58 PM, Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu wrote:
 A patch for this issue has been posted several times. I have posted it
 at least twice, at least.

 And why is surf still broken?



Re: [dev] Slock: Logging patch

2010-11-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Because #ifdef is the epitome of portability. Everyone knows that.
On Nov 11, 2010 4:05 PM, Josh Rickmar joshua_rick...@eumx.net wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:04:32PM +0100, Danilo Bargen wrote:
 Hello all

 In case anyone is interested: I've added logging capabilities to
 Slock. The patch is attached. It will enable logging of all locks,
 unlocks and failed unlock attempts to ~/.slock.log, if compiled with
 the ENABLE_LOGGING flag.

 --Danilo

 Why all the #ifdefs? Why not just apply the patch if you want the
 feature?



Re: [dev] [OT] ubuntu moves to wayland from xorg

2010-11-05 Thread Jacob Todd
Someone should touchscreen-ify acme.
On Nov 5, 2010 12:48 PM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote:
 I started a similar project for the n900 with debian and a modified dwm. I
find it quite useful and productive to use dwm in a touchscreen..but
certainly..not many finger friendly apps out there...

 - Original message -
 Hi all,

 On a (slightly) related off-topic note, I'm about to purchase one of
 those iPad ripoffs (zt180), and I'm curious to find out how far one can
 go without Android on it.  In particular, I suspect a suckless project
 is in order to:

 1. Emulate the onscreen keyboard (at a lowish X level presumably, but an
 ncurses gpm-style cli would be pretty super-rad).

 2. Emulate all those other touch screen options, e.g., two finger
 pinches and whatnot.

 I guess first we'd need to get X running on the thing.
 It'd be a shame to have to run the java driven android stuff to do all
 this.

 Peter




Re: [dev] seminar about plan9

2010-10-31 Thread Jacob Todd
Skim through the papers and make sure you have any important points from
those. Watch uriels fossdem 2006(?) presentation about plan 9, and don't
forget to mention that it builds on 5+ platforms without the use ifdef,
autoconf or other such nonesense.


Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-29 Thread Jacob Todd
I've read it but don't see how it pertains to what we're talking about.
On Oct 29, 2010 7:50 AM, finkler fink...@officinamentis.org wrote:
 On 10/28/10 15:38, Jacob Todd wrote:
 How? It's statically linked iirc against the systems libs.


http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/690760527da60e57/882a60388fab96a1




Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-29 Thread Jacob Todd
Then strip it. Derp.
On Oct 29, 2010 10:05 AM, finkler fink...@officinamentis.org wrote:
 On 10/29/10 15:06, Jacob Todd wrote:
 I've read it but don't see how it pertains to what we're talking about.
 On Oct 29, 2010 7:50 AM, finkler fink...@officinamentis.org wrote:
 On 10/28/10 15:38, Jacob Todd wrote:
 How? It's statically linked iirc against the systems libs.



http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/690760527da60e57/882a60388fab96a1



 Evidently there are things I don't need in my executable, which is
 similar to glibc, ergo not suckless.




Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-28 Thread Jacob Todd
How? It's statically linked iirc against the systems libs.
On Oct 28, 2010 5:24 AM, finkler fink...@officinamentis.org wrote:
 On 10/28/10 01:39, Jacob Todd wrote:
 Go uses the plan 9 libs.

 While I really like Go, it is still a niche project, and a 2MB+ basename
 executable is not really suckless.




Re: [dev] Re: sta.li progress

2010-10-27 Thread Jacob Todd
If someone was going to create a suckless libc, they shouldn't support
posix. start with the plan 9 libraries instead of the obsd while you're at
it.


Re: [dev] polipo with surf

2010-10-09 Thread Jacob Todd
On slow connections i noticed a small improvement. I don't remember exactly
what i had to to in order for it to work. It was discussex on the list
before hough.


Re: [dev] Evils of glibc

2010-10-07 Thread Jacob Todd
Glibc has been like that for a while. Use dietlibc if you want to actually
link statically.


Re: [dev] Evils of glibc

2010-10-07 Thread Jacob Todd
Dietlibc is the first thing that came off the top of my head, I have no idea
how well it is or if it's maintained. There's no reason not to use uclibc.


Re: [dev] [OT] Music?

2010-09-09 Thread Jacob Todd
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 01:00:27PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
 I suppose when I say social justice you read socialism, which is 
 a different matter entirely, and has nothing to do with Bad 
 Religion.
Yes, that's what I read. I look into it later.



Re: [dev] [OT] Music?

2010-09-08 Thread Jacob Todd
On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 07:10:56PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
 social justice
Social justice is just yet another way of saying slavery and theft.

I tend to listen to classical music when gaming and death metal
the rest of the time.




Re: [dev] Suckless OS (part 2 - answer)

2010-08-25 Thread Jacob Todd
He proudly wore a Windows 95 team T-shirt as he trolled amongst the booths.


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Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-23 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 01:15:40PM +0200, Martin Kopta wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
   I wrote my bachelor thesis using LaTeX and now I am going to write my
 master thesis. I would rather avoid TeX and everything TeX based this time.
 
 The PDF output of (La)TeX is awesome and I really like that part of it, but
 writting itself was painful, since the language is pretty cryptic and complex
 for 'simple document like thesis'. Overhelming compilation output completely
 hides any warnings and errors, which are too fuzzy and useless anyway. Also,
 work with images is pretty much impossible and texlive package is too big in
 size.
 
 I am currently looking for some replacement with:
 
 * input as plain text (NOT xml)
 * simple syntax/commands/language
 * output as PDF (acceptable as thesis), may be indirectly
 * usable compilator (readable overall output, warnings and errors)
 * overall good design
 
 I guess my demands are too high, but if you know about something interesting,
 please, let me know.
Troff.


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Re: [dev] Re: [dev] Re: [dev] Re : [dev] [dev] Usage, -h, --help, help, synops is, …

2010-08-18 Thread Jacob Todd
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:55:10PM +0200, Alexander Teinum wrote:
 I’d like to write a KISS option parser that accepts “program -c -a -f
 some_file”, but not “program -ca -fsome_file”. I prefer to keep the
 rules simple.
take a look at the ARGBEGIN and ARGEND macro's in Plan 9.


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Re: [dev] dmc

2010-08-15 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 08:15:41PM +0200, Martin Kopta wrote:
 does that thing actualy works?
Read the README.


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Re: [dev] Suckless Way to Learn How To Program

2010-08-14 Thread Jacob Todd
Read KR + The Practice of Programming.


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Re: [dev] Suckless design in Games

2010-08-10 Thread Jacob Todd
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 09:02:53PM -0500, Matthew Bauer wrote:
 What game libraries are suckless? (SDL, OpenGL)
 
 What programming language is best for games? (C, Python, or Go)
 
Just hack on the Quake source ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/


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Re: [dev] The mysterious 31

2010-08-04 Thread Jacob Todd
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 05:01:56AM +0100, David Tweed wrote:
 It's also worth remembering that K  R was written at a time many
 decades ago when performance aspects of computer architecture were a
 lot, lot simpler. Apparently they have
 
 #define HASHSIZE 101
 
 which given that there's no really efficient way of computing % for
 arbitrary numbers is going to be quite slow (particularly if the
 strings are short), which is why hashes for modern machines use table
 sizes that avoid needing a mod. (There are other things that are slow
 on modern architectures that modern hash functions avoid.) I'd use KR
 for the C syntax and some of the higher level ideas of programming,
 but not try to understand good hashing technology from there.
I wasn't trying to understand good hashing technology, I was in the dark
why the number 31 was being used. I understand now, though.


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Re: [dev] curses samterm

2010-08-03 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:20:39AM -0700, Wolf Tivy wrote:
 I hadn't thought of it like that before. Good point.
 Excuse me while I also remove indentation from my my code.
 Would you indent your prose? What nonsense have
 I been practicing?
I do indent my prose, by using paragraphs.
 
 Thanks.
 


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Re: [dev] curses samterm

2010-08-03 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 04:29:34PM -0700, Wolf Tivy wrote:
 My current idea is just to have the screen displaying the file (where?)
 with dot highlighted. A few lines at the bottom would have
 the command line, maybe it would dynamically adjust for multiline
 commands, I dunno. You could cursor around using arrows or
 mouse (how do we scroll with mouse) or whatever to select the
 dot.
Sounds like vi.


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[dev] The mysterious 31

2010-08-03 Thread Jacob Todd
In KR, chapter 6, section 6, there is a funtion called hash that hashes a
string, which will be stored in a linked list. The function in question is on
page 144, but here it is for those of you who don't have KR handy.

/* hash:  form hash value for string s */
unsigned
hash(char *s)
{
unsigned hashval;

for(hashval = 0; *s != '\0'; s++)
hashval = *s + 31 * hashval;
return hashval % HASHSIZE;
}

So what is the purpose of the magic 31? The only thing that I think might be a
reference to what it may be for is the paragraph prior, which states

The hashing function, ..., adds each character value in the string to a
scrambled combination of the previous ones and returns the remainder
modulo the array size.

Does the magic 31 have to do with scrambling?


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Re: [dev] Assembly interpreter/vm

2010-08-01 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 01:07:06PM -0700, Paolo wrote:
 Once I saw a project for a suckless Assembly interpreter / vm,
 I can't remember - but I'm sure I've seen it on a personal
 website of someone here. I've spent half an hour searching
 but I'm probably doing it wrong. Any hints?
radare? http://radare.nopcode.org/


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Re: [dev] Presentation slides software

2010-06-29 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:34:52PM +0200, Uriel wrote:
 I'm looking for a minimally sane way to generate presentation slides,
 ideally using something similar to markdown and capable of generating
 decent-looking html (and hopefully) pdf.
 
 I know about magicpoint, and I normally use the troff slides macros:
 http://repo.cat-v.org/troff-slider/
 
 But the generated HTML is rather messy, and fixing htmlroff is too much work.
 
 Suggestions welcome.
TeX?
 
 Peace
 
 uriel
 



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Re: [dev] picture

2010-06-22 Thread Jacob Todd
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 07:30:16AM +0200, Kai Heide wrote:
 2010/6/20 Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu:
  http://imgur.com/oPOeW.png
 src?
http://bender.eugenics-research.org/picture-src


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Re: [dev] surf cookie handler

2010-05-22 Thread Jacob Todd
$(cat surf.c)

;)


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