5.5.17 zip/exe service install
Hi, Will the new 5.5.17 zip distro come with the tomcat EXE files used by service.bat to install the service? I noted in 5.5.16 the EXEs were missing, whilst the service.bat remained. If this was intentional to keep the ZIP distro down in size in favour of the EXE distro I would disagree with that because we need to be able to script the installation of the service rather than use the installer (e.g for laptop installations) as might other I.T depts. As it was, I had to install the 5.5.16 from the installer to get the EXE files, copy them, uninstall it all, then use the ZIP distro. If the 5.5.16 non-inclusion of the EXEs was unintentional please ignore me. Cheers, Allistair FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TC6 documentation
Hi, I strongly disagree that the current documentation format is helpful both in terms of readability and accessibility to update. For about 2 years now I have wanted to do something with them, but never get around to it, but my start so far is a set using DocBook. Even this I am not keen on in terms of writing the documentation since it will discourage some users contributing to the documentation since they have to learn DocBook. On the other hand, it can output as XHTML and PDF which is a real plus, and it's not all that hard. I definitely think overall the Tomcat site could do with a general overhaul and content restructure, but I do not know if that is possible being within the Apache box. There is a definate shift now to XHTML/CSS and web standards. All browsers in use today can support the amount of XHTML/CSS required, developers cannot and should not deny CSS as a valid method for structuring design and layout completely. In fact, devs should love it because it leaves devs to write semantically pure XHTML. Something like bugxxx/bug that Yoav mentioned is easily handled by a XHTML/CSS markup rather than using a custom tag that is rendered into a TABLE. For example here is how the changelog *could* be represented with semantically accurate XHTML (a table is arguably also accurate, but in this case is more of a presentational choice) h1Tomcat 5.5.16/h1 dl id=general dt class=updatenbsp;/dt dd Required tcnative library version upgraded to 1.1.2 abbr class=username(remm)/abbr /dd /dl dl id=catalina dt class=bug23950/dt dd Context.listBindings() should return objects not references. abbr class=username(markt)/abbr /dd /dl The DTs by virtue of their class can add the appropriate image for denoting an update or a bug. It could shade the row if it really wanted, we can do anything with it. The DD speaks for itself, and I chose the ABBR since the dev inits are an abbreviation of sorts, but classified it as a username. In CSS2 we would be able to add the parantheses at start and end, but that's not quite ready in all browsers yet. I definitely believe the documentation should be rewritten either in DocBook=XHTML or pure XHTML with CSS. Allistair -Original Message- From: Ian Darwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2006 20:32 To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: TC6 documentation Yoav Shapira wrote: There were other reasons for using XML, like the ability for Jakarta to have some common elements that would get automagically resolved into the bug tracking URLs, etc. For example, when I edit the changelog it's great to just put in bugn/bug and have it be resolved to the proper Bugzilla link URL. I think it cuts down on typos, broken links, etc. And this is just one example of a useful custom element out of several. Right you are, thanks. And am I right that eating our own dog food - using JSP tags for that - is out because we want to maintain statically-usable copies? OTOH it might be a better demo of Tomcat :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat 6 plans (JSP 2.1)
Hi, Personally I am less interested in a small footprint Tomcat and more interested in tools that help manage and report on the internals of Tomcat. Instrumentation, JMX, effective and stable debugging and deployment, clustering and load balancing are the types of areas that would help me out with our corporate intranet. I doubt any of these issues are of real concern to the development team because they are supporting of the main container, but they matter on the front-line and often piecing together different technologies via modules which have varying amounts of documentation and stability is tough and time-consuming. I've been fighting getting in WebLogic, WebSphere and Jboss but it looks like it's going that way in 2006 :( May I also take this opportunity to thank those that have helped with any queries I've had this year, Merry Christmas. I'm also very sorry I have not yet been able to accomplish what I wanted to in 2005 which was to rewrite Tomcat's documentation in DocBook. It's still something I am highly interested in as I think documentation is critical and important to everyone on the ground. All the best with Tomcat 6, I would love to help with docs where I can but I will need to see if I can work out some time. Merry Christmas, Allistair. -Original Message- From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2005 11:12 To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Tomcat 6 plans (JSP 2.1) Well a Tomcat will a small memory footprint is also very interesting for me :) For guidelines on how to use it ? 2005/12/22, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm willing to help... Yoav On 12/21/05, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's not about 'vote' or plans, it's more about what people have time to do. I have checked in the build files for a 'standalone' tomcat in the sandbox, I've been using the single jar almost exclusively, seems to work fine. But I have a feeling I'm the only one interested in this :-). Removing more features to make it really minimal is quite simple, but requires testing and a bit of work. I don't think we need any new code - just small adjustments and different packaging - and a bit of will. Costin On 12/21/05, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - What could prevent TC 6.x to became more modular ? - Design, commercial dependencies or personal decisions. Why not send a sort of vote on some possible architectures and plans ? 2005/12/21, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 to Costin's stuff... I've been itching for a truly minimal +Tomcat distro for a while... Yoav On 12/21/05, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would really like to have something more modular too - I understand that NIO and the other connector stuff is unlikely to see the main branch, but I think 'minimal standalone + modules' deserves a chance. Even if we continue to ship by default a bloated tomcat, with all the features anyone can think of or ever wanted - having those features organized like modules would make a lot of things easier and better. Almost all important platforms are designed this way - apache, jboss, firefox, etc, it would be time for tomcat as well.. By minimal standalone tomcat I mean: coyote http11 + servlet + jsp + minimal set of valves to have a TCK-accepted container. Modules == jdbc authenticators, load balancing, ssl, jk, even APR, and anything that could be eventually released or upgraded independently. Costin On 12/21/05, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, so far nobody has had the sense to propose returning to the good old TC 3.3 Interceptors ;-). It looks like Evolution is here to stay. I don't know if Interceptors would be a good solutions but I'd really like to have something similar to Apache modules. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat 6 plans (JSP 2.1)
Personally I am a fan of the light-weight approach. Using Tomcat but adding enterprise value at webapp level with Spring and Hibernate has been a fantastic combination for us. I've not delved into EJB3 much but I hear it's just POJO CMP stuff which Hibernate does. If Tomcat could just provide more support in the management/instrumentation/clustering and deployment areas I'd be a happy chappy. Allistair. -Original Message- From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2005 16:08 To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Tomcat 6 plans (JSP 2.1) Remy Maucherat wrote: I don't see a big difference with Tomcat, which is also an appserver (hopefully, you don't associate EJB - appserver, because if you do, I'm not talking to you ever again :) ). Marketting is king, though, and I understand the desire to look like a rebel and refuse the big fat appserver in favor of a random set of independent components which in the end do and are actually the exact same thing. Unless the appserver is monolithic, but that's not the current trend (but even if it is, sometimes they are actually small). I personally don't associate EJB with app server *but* that's clearly the marketing trend. To be a certified J2EE app server you have to support EJBs, all app server marketing rags, etc, are 100% EJB centric, etc, etc. Now that EJB 3 is solidifying I can see a lot broader applicability to EJBs, but I still don't personally buy the monolithic notion of J2EE (or JEE) app server. I know JBoss does not have to be deployed this way. The J2EE certification, marketing, etc, all treats this as a monolithic stack, though -- which seems unfortunate... -- Jess Holle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SVN
Hi, Can I just ask if the Tomcat subversion migration is now complete? If i were to want to obtain the latest 5.5.x branch, would I just do so from /tomcat/current/5.5.x. Also, I presume the build.xml script will have changed now? I wonder if someone might highlight a few steps/ant targets for the new setup, and I will give it a shot and write a more formal help page, Cheers, Allistair. FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT
RE: SVN
Hey, I was hoping so, thanks! :) Although I find Tortoise is absolutely brilliant for Windows SVN Ali. -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 October 2005 15:09 To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: RE: SVN Hi, svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/current/tc5.5.x tomcat cd tomcat/build ant That's it. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:57 AM To: dev@tomcat.apache.org Subject: SVN Hi, Can I just ask if the Tomcat subversion migration is now complete? If i were to want to obtain the latest 5.5.x branch, would I just do so from /tomcat/current/5.5.x. Also, I presume the build.xml script will have changed now? I wonder if someone might highlight a few steps/ant targets for the new setup, and I will give it a shot and write a more formal help page, Cheers, Allistair. FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SVN
Hi, I did just that but got C:\svn-tc5.5.x\build\build.xml:137: Warning: Could not find file C:\usr\share\ja va\jsp-api-2.0\lib\jsp-api.jar to copy. I remember the previous build would download these usr/share dependencies beforehand? Cheers, Allistair. -Original Message- From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 October 2005 15:09 To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: RE: SVN Hi, svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/current/tc5.5.x tomcat cd tomcat/build ant That's it. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: Allistair Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:57 AM To: dev@tomcat.apache.org Subject: SVN Hi, Can I just ask if the Tomcat subversion migration is now complete? If i were to want to obtain the latest 5.5.x branch, would I just do so from /tomcat/current/5.5.x. Also, I presume the build.xml script will have changed now? I wonder if someone might highlight a few steps/ant targets for the new setup, and I will give it a shot and write a more formal help page, Cheers, Allistair. FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLUE --- QAS Ltd. Registered in England: No 2582055 Registered in Australia: No 082 851 474 --- /FONT FONT SIZE=1 FACE=VERDANA,ARIAL COLOR=BLACK Disclaimer: The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. This email is intended solely for the named recipient only; if you are not authorised you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error please contact the sender at once so that we may take the appropriate action and avoid troubling you further. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. QAS Limited has the right lawfully to record, monitor and inspect messages between its employees and any third party. Your messages shall be subject to such lawful supervision as QAS Limited deems to be necessary in order to protect its information, its interests and its reputation. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard Inbound and Outbound emails, QAS Limited cannot guarantee that attachments are virus free or compatible with your systems and does not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced. /FONT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
