Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Sorry for posting on this old thread, and then even to my own post.. However, in the name of the archives and anyone interested: It is GPL, and it is a native Resin feature, and both of those things are very sad. But it is a very interesting project, and it is definitly open source, though very business unfriendly. This thing is apparently rather standards compliant, implementing the javax.scripting API. The PHP part of Resin resides in one single portable servlet. Here's a blog entry describing the approx. one-and-a-half easy step to get "Quercus PHP engine running in GlassFish Java EE 5 Application Server": http://weblogs.java.net/blog/ludo/archive/2007/03/100_java_quercu.html Kind regards, Endre. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Thank you for this post. I will definitely install it and use it with Drupal. PHP Drupal collapses under heavy loads. Nobody seems to know why! Someone asked me to try to up its web transaction rate. The problem is under heavy blogging load, with large number of users. It could be absolutely ANYTHING. Drupal is also a heavy Data Base user. IMO for me it will be necessary to create an instrumented test bed before I dive into a problem like this! Doing it in Java should be a great help! Anyone did anything like this on this list, please? Thank you -- George Original Message Follows From: Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Tomcat Developers List" To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Tomcat supporting PHP Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:01:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mail.apache.org ([140.211.11.2]) by bay0-mc8-f14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:07:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 58169 invoked by uid 500); 31 Aug 2007 14:07:21 - Received: (qmail 58158 invoked by uid 99); 31 Aug 2007 14:07:21 - Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:07:21 -0700 Received: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [84.208.20.33] (HELO smtp.getmail.no) (84.208.20.33)by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:07:15 + Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.no-osl-m323-srv-009-z2.isp.get.no by no-osl-m323-srv-009-z2.isp.get.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for dev@tomcat.apache.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.getmail.no ([10.5.16.1]) by no-osl-m323-srv-009-z2.isp.get.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for dev@tomcat.apache.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from diskbox.stolsvik.com ([84.215.32.37]) by no-osl-m323-srv-004-z1.isp.get.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for dev@tomcat.apache.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:06:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.10] by diskbox.stolsvik.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63)(envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)id 1IR78y-0001j2-IZ for dev@tomcat.apache.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:06:40 +0200 X-Message-Delivery: Vj0zLjQuMDt1cz0wO2k9MDtsPTA7YT0w X-Message-Info: R00BdL5giqomPpsO1gHqX7FvUa7ZP/ZdpY9vgOXMWv4yTpCOukq2Xk+yrOvGRN0ydp+036ysaatFw3aN9xgVoQ== Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:dev@tomcat.apache.org> List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@tomcat.apache.org X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Organization: stolsvik.com References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2007 14:07:30.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[44E5C280:01C7EBD8] Joe Nathan wrote: I am talking about in-built capability that people do NOT need to install heaps of cranky-installation software packages! I just came around to read this old thread, and I am surprised that no-one seems to know about Quercus from Caucho, the Resin guys: http://quercus.caucho.com/ " Quercus is Caucho Technology's fast, open-source, 100% Java implementation of the PHP language. " " The growing list of PHP software certified running on Quercus includes DokuWiki, Drupal, Gallery2, Joomla, Mambo, Mantis, MediaWiki, Phorum, phpBB, phpMyAdmin, PHP-Nuke, Wordpress, and XOOPS. " Docs for 3.1 (current): http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus.xtp It's 4 times faster than PHP!! http://www.workhabit.org/resin-backed-php-drives-4x-performance-improvements-drupal It is GPL, and it is a native Resin feature, and both of those things are very sad. But it is a very interesting project, and it is definitly open source, though very business unfriendly. Regards, Endre. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Joe Nathan wrote: I am talking about in-built capability that people do NOT need to install heaps of cranky-installation software packages! I just came around to read this old thread, and I am surprised that no-one seems to know about Quercus from Caucho, the Resin guys: http://quercus.caucho.com/ " Quercus is Caucho Technology's fast, open-source, 100% Java implementation of the PHP language. " " The growing list of PHP software certified running on Quercus includes DokuWiki, Drupal, Gallery2, Joomla, Mambo, Mantis, MediaWiki, Phorum, phpBB, phpMyAdmin, PHP-Nuke, Wordpress, and XOOPS. " Docs for 3.1 (current): http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.1/doc/quercus.xtp It's 4 times faster than PHP!! http://www.workhabit.org/resin-backed-php-drives-4x-performance-improvements-drupal It is GPL, and it is a native Resin feature, and both of those things are very sad. But it is a very interesting project, and it is definitly open source, though very business unfriendly. Regards, Endre. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
We have been working with the PHP/Java bridge for some projects (http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/pjb/), which basically provides option #1. The Java Bridge installs as a standard WAR in Tomcat and can be configured as a servlet in your webapps. For any requests for PHP files, it then executes the PHP files via a FastCGI process (or mod_php if you choose). This gives you full access to all installed PHP libraries, plus you can access your Java classes (and the servlet HttpSession) seemless -- the PHP side uses a stream XML protocol to invoke the Java back-end and is actually quite fast. Overall it's a great and very active project. And it works very well for integrating PHP into a Java environment. But I don't think it's something I would want to see integrated with Tomcat itself. I'm just an observer here, but for me, Tomcat is about being a great servlet container, not a vehicle for every web technology. --Gary On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 09:53 +0200, jean-frederic clere wrote: > Hi, > > I am thinking that this thread goes to nowhere... > > To get some php stuff in TC you have 3 solutions: > 1- FastCGI. > 2- PHP engine embedded in in the JVM. > 3- PHP rewritten in JAVA. > > 1 - That probably the best solution but you need a FastCGI proxy > servlet (Could be a good application for the new Comet stuff). > > 2 - That also needs a servlet and a careful build of the php engine and > it extensions. > > 3 - I don't think that the scope of the Tomcat project. > > Cheers > > Jean-Frederic > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
IIRC .. Glassfish took over the role of being RI. -Tim Henri Gomez wrote: Tomcat is the RI for servlet/JSP engine, nothing less nothing more. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't forget we're on Tomcat dev list Tomcat is the RI for servlet/JSP engine, nothing less nothing more. Adding PHP compatibility, via JNI wrapper, CGI or full Java PHP engine is beyond the scope of the current Tomcat :-) I think it will be great to see a basic PHP engine in pure Java, but that's something we should ask to Zend for example. Just my .02EUR 2007/7/19, Joe Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Lilianne E. Blaze wrote: > > Actually, that is exactly the problem. Everyone and their dog can learn > basics of php in a couple of days, creating illusionary supply of > countless self-appointed web experts with neither skill nor potential to > ever move past the most basic level. hey, can you do other things than Java? For example, Flash and action script, animation, movies, cool graphics, content writting, search engine optimization, and so on? That's why you don't get that job! having php in Tomcat help you to learn those things as well, and become more well-rounded web developer! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11686314 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lilianne E. Blaze wrote: > > Actually, that is exactly the problem. Everyone and their dog can learn > basics of php in a couple of days, creating illusionary supply of > countless self-appointed web experts with neither skill nor potential to > ever move past the most basic level. hey, can you do other things than Java? For example, Flash and action script, animation, movies, cool graphics, content writting, search engine optimization, and so on? That's why you don't get that job! having php in Tomcat help you to learn those things as well, and become more well-rounded web developer! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11686314 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean-frederic Clere-3 wrote: > > Henri Gomez wrote: >> PHP rewritten in Java could be a good idea for the core but what about >> the various extensions ? > > That is a very hard part that needs JNI to load and to interface the API > of the extensions. There are also very easily threads and memory models > problems. Such a wrapper seems a huge thing to write. > One thing you guys may not realize is that PHP has been forked with the compatibility problem. With new versions, old php scripts won't run, unless you get PHP from Redhat! What I suggest is that once core is written, extensions can be filled by those who wrote original extensions. If they don't exist, just omit them since nobody is going to maintain it after all. It might be also a good idea to have good clean new extensions, discourage ad-hoc vendor specific extensions. regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11686198 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Henri Gomez wrote: PHP rewritten in Java could be a good idea for the core but what about the various extensions ? That is a very hard part that needs JNI to load and to interface the API of the extensions. There are also very easily threads and memory models problems. Such a wrapper seems a huge thing to write. Cheers Jean-Frederic Of course it couldn't be a Tomcat project 2007/7/19, jean-frederic clere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, I am thinking that this thread goes to nowhere... To get some php stuff in TC you have 3 solutions: 1- FastCGI. 2- PHP engine embedded in in the JVM. 3- PHP rewritten in JAVA. 1 - That probably the best solution but you need a FastCGI proxy servlet (Could be a good application for the new Comet stuff). 2 - That also needs a servlet and a careful build of the php engine and it extensions. 3 - I don't think that the scope of the Tomcat project. Cheers Jean-Frederic - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PHP rewritten in Java could be a good idea for the core but what about the various extensions ? Of course it couldn't be a Tomcat project 2007/7/19, jean-frederic clere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, I am thinking that this thread goes to nowhere... To get some php stuff in TC you have 3 solutions: 1- FastCGI. 2- PHP engine embedded in in the JVM. 3- PHP rewritten in JAVA. 1 - That probably the best solution but you need a FastCGI proxy servlet (Could be a good application for the new Comet stuff). 2 - That also needs a servlet and a careful build of the php engine and it extensions. 3 - I don't think that the scope of the Tomcat project. Cheers Jean-Frederic - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Hi, I am thinking that this thread goes to nowhere... To get some php stuff in TC you have 3 solutions: 1- FastCGI. 2- PHP engine embedded in in the JVM. 3- PHP rewritten in JAVA. 1 - That probably the best solution but you need a FastCGI proxy servlet (Could be a good application for the new Comet stuff). 2 - That also needs a servlet and a careful build of the php engine and it extensions. 3 - I don't think that the scope of the Tomcat project. Cheers Jean-Frederic - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Joe Nathan wrote: > arjan tijms wrote: > >> I'm not really sure about that. For instance, even PHP web sites 'admit' >> that Java is a great deal larger: >> >> http://www.phpmag.net/magphpde/magphpde_news/psecom,id,27191,nodeid,5.html >> >> Typically book stores (at least in Europe) carry more book about Java >> than about PHP. On top of that, job websites offer more jobs relating >> to Java than to PHP. A lot depends on your point of view of course. If >> you're into affiliate marketing, you might think the entire world is >> PHP. Most of the small affiliate websites are indeed using PHP. On the >> other hand, if you look at financial systems (banking, travel, etc) you >> would think the entire world is nothing but Java EE. >> >> > You only see from your own pond. There are a lot bigger community > out there! There are far more people doing some kind of web-development > for own business, personal website, or professional web-development. > These people don't know much programming, not counted in programmining > market. Many of them know PhP, ASP, etc., and javaScript (nothing to do with > java). > > I don't see many web-sites running with Java AS! They are almost in PhP! > To learn PhP, you don't need to spend thousands of dollars to buy > dozens of books, like I did in the past. I have no PhP books. > That easiness makes PhP polular amongst amateurs and professional > web-developers. > > regards. > > Actually, that is exactly the problem. Everyone and their dog can learn basics of php in a couple of days, creating illusionary supply of countless self-appointed web experts with neither skill nor potential to ever move past the most basic level. Java, on the other hand, is reasonably easy, but not that easy as to attract people who should never got into this business in the first place. And that is a Good Thing. As for prices - it's not that Java programmers are expensive - it's that illusionary over-supply of php people drive the prices below any reasonable levels. Greetings, Lilianne E. Blaze - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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arjan tijms wrote: > > I'm not really sure about that. For instance, even PHP web sites 'admit' > that Java is a great deal larger: > > http://www.phpmag.net/magphpde/magphpde_news/psecom,id,27191,nodeid,5.html > > Typically book stores (at least in Europe) carry more book about Java > than about PHP. On top of that, job websites offer more jobs relating > to Java than to PHP. A lot depends on your point of view of course. If > you're into affiliate marketing, you might think the entire world is > PHP. Most of the small affiliate websites are indeed using PHP. On the > other hand, if you look at financial systems (banking, travel, etc) you > would think the entire world is nothing but Java EE. > You only see from your own pond. There are a lot bigger community out there! There are far more people doing some kind of web-development for own business, personal website, or professional web-development. These people don't know much programming, not counted in programmining market. Many of them know PhP, ASP, etc., and javaScript (nothing to do with java). I don't see many web-sites running with Java AS! They are almost in PhP! To learn PhP, you don't need to spend thousands of dollars to buy dozens of books, like I did in the past. I have no PhP books. That easiness makes PhP polular amongst amateurs and professional web-developers. regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11679832 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan wrote: You should realize that PHP world is lot bigger than Java world! I'm not really sure about that. For instance, even PHP web sites 'admit' that Java is a great deal larger: http://www.phpmag.net/magphpde/magphpde_news/psecom,id,27191,nodeid,5.html Typically book stores (at least in Europe) carry more book about Java than about PHP. On top of that, job websites offer more jobs relating to Java than to PHP. A lot depends on your point of view of course. If you're into affiliate marketing, you might think the entire world is PHP. Most of the small affiliate websites are indeed using PHP. On the other hand, if you look at financial systems (banking, travel, etc) you would think the entire world is nothing but Java EE. Having both will have many merits. I think there are some usecases for running PHP on a Java AS. Sun itself is putting lots of efforts in getting various scripting languages to be able to execute on the Java VM. I'm suprized though nobody mentioned Quercus yet. This seems to do exactly what this topic is about: implementing a PHP interpreter and a good deal of PHP's libraries in Java. See: http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/index.xtp Here's a blog about using it on something other than Resin (Glassfish): http://weblogs.java.net/blog/ludo/archive/2007/03/100_java_quercu.html A while back I read a blog about one guy who benchmarked some PHP applications running in this setup (I think he used Tomcat), and found the performance was a great deal better than pure PHP. I can't find this blog anymore, but in the mean time this one may be interesting to read: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=java&lang2=php Grtz -- It's a cult. If you've coded for any length of time, you've run across someone from this warped brotherhood. Their creed: if you can write complicated code, you must be good. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As an exercise, why don't you write a couple of these trivial libraries. Start with the database ones. They should be very easy since there is a database layer on Java, and a database layer on PHP. If you think I'm being sarcastic, you're right. You're trivializing things you don't understand. Joe Nathan wrote: George L. Sexton-2 wrote: It's not just writing a byte-code compiler that would convert the PHP to java code, or even a parser that would re-write a PHP page into JSP. It's creating the massively large library of functions. Isn't it true that most of libs are already in Java packages? Most of them will need just adaptors. Some other legacies, we may scrap! regards. -- George Sexton MH Software, Inc. Voice: +1 303 438 9585 URL: http://www.mhsoftware.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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George L. Sexton-2 wrote: > > It's not just writing a byte-code compiler that would convert the PHP to > java code, or even a parser that would re-write a PHP page into JSP. > It's creating the massively large library of functions. > Isn't it true that most of libs are already in Java packages? Most of them will need just adaptors. Some other legacies, we may scrap! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11661491 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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even it will be easy to use php and jsp,struts like technologies altogether if needed using same tomcat container Pankaj Joe Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PHP is based on interpreter. Instead, pre-compiler as in JSP can improve performance of PHP significantly. Then there will be lots of people switching to Tomcat regards. pankaj narang wrote: > > Hello > > I am listening everything silently here but I think Joe is correct > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11659609 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.
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PHP is an interpreter, but there is a large library of functions written in Native code that would have to be supported. It's not just writing a byte-code compiler that would convert the PHP to java code, or even a parser that would re-write a PHP page into JSP. It's creating the massively large library of functions. Joe Nathan wrote: PHP is based on interpreter. Instead, pre-compiler as in JSP can improve performance of PHP significantly. Then there will be lots of people switching to Tomcat regards. pankaj narang wrote: Hello I am listening everything silently here but I think Joe is correct -- George Sexton MH Software, Inc. Voice: +1 303 438 9585 URL: http://www.mhsoftware.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PHP is based on interpreter. Instead, pre-compiler as in JSP can improve performance of PHP significantly. Then there will be lots of people switching to Tomcat regards. pankaj narang wrote: > > Hello > > I am listening everything silently here but I think Joe is correct > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11659609 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan wrote: Pid-2 wrote: And how are you judging that? You should ask Redhat! Rather than this turn into big ideological argument, I'd just like to suggest to the OP that the Java world might be bigger than he'd appreciated - and that it's more meaningful to use the right tool for the job in hand. Tomcat & PHP are not really a good pairing, as has been previously stated. As far as dynamic scripting languages go, Tomcat is better paired with something like Groovy. I think the OP being a little naive to suggest to this list that it's members aren't aware of other languages and their respective uses or sector popularity. I meant to ask "by what type of unit are you measuring 'bigger'?", as it's a pretty vague term to use. Counting lots of 'small' websites* would be one way, but you could count by, say, Open Source project commits: http://www.ohloh.net/languages;compare?l4=php&l1=-1&l5=ruby&l2=java&l6=-1&commit=Update&l0=cncpp&l3=-1 And then you might think that 'the PHP world' is a lot smaller than Java or C/C++ and that Tomcat should be expanded to run scripts in C/C++** p * Yes, big ones too ** Yes, CGI, I know For example, My products are in Java! But my business website is in PHP! I see my ISP a;one having customers in thousands who might be using PHP, no Java support. It's the same for most small websites, because they cannot hire expensive Java programmers! regards. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Joe Nathan wrote: > Mladen Turk-3 wrote: > >> Why would someone wish to do that at the first place. >> >> > You should realize that PHP world is lot bigger than Java world! > Having both will have many merits. > > > So is non-programmer world than programmer world. So is Mensa world than non-Mensa world. Last time I checked, it was quality, non quantity, and when it comes to quality, php is about 10 years, if not more, behind Java. A bridge to php would be a nice thing to have, yes, but a native php implementation in Java would be just a huge waste of effort. In my opinion it would be pretty much enough to improve what documentation exists (for example http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/UsingPhp ) and include it on http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/index.html . Anything beyond that, honestly, is just pointless. Greetings, Lilianne E. Blaze - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello I am listening everything silently here but I think Joe is correct Joe Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pid-2 wrote: > > And how are you judging that? > You should ask Redhat! For example, My products are in Java! But my business website is in PHP! I see my ISP a;one having customers in thousands who might be using PHP, no Java support. It's the same for most small websites, because they cannot hire expensive Java programmers! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11647154 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
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Pid-2 wrote: > > And how are you judging that? > You should ask Redhat! For example, My products are in Java! But my business website is in PHP! I see my ISP a;one having customers in thousands who might be using PHP, no Java support. It's the same for most small websites, because they cannot hire expensive Java programmers! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11647154 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan wrote: Mladen Turk-3 wrote: Why would someone wish to do that at the first place. You should realize that PHP world is lot bigger than Java world! Having both will have many merits. And how are you judging that? p smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Mladen Turk-3 wrote: > > Why would someone wish to do that at the first place. > You should realize that PHP world is lot bigger than Java world! Having both will have many merits. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11643194 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan schrieb: > I mean PHP scripts are processed as JSP are handled inside Tomcat > without installing any other things as built-in features. Imagine if > Tomcat can handle JSP, PHP, even ASP script pages! Then who will > not use this! I will not use this. I'm not interested in PHP at all. And I wouldn't want a servlet container bloated with features I don't want nor ever will need. Regards mks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: Do you want a 100% Java PHP engine or just a simple native to Java bridge ? I mean PHP scripts are processed as JSP are handled inside Tomcat without installing any other things as built-in features. Imagine if Tomcat can handle JSP, PHP, even ASP script pages! Then who will not use this! Why would someone wish to do that at the first place. Those are completely different systems with completely different technology. The only usage is consolidation of the technology and lowering down the time for consolidation to a particular technology. The are some attempts for PHP like a simple CGI or a JBoss Reflex, and even some project (think its commercial) that has PHP engine and modules rewritten in Java. However their main usage is for easing you to switch to the real stuff (main Tomcat technology; jsp and servlets). Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
Henri Gomez wrote: > > Do you want a 100% Java PHP engine or just a simple native to Java bridge > ? > I mean PHP scripts are processed as JSP are handled inside Tomcat without installing any other things as built-in features. Imagine if Tomcat can handle JSP, PHP, even ASP script pages! Then who will not use this! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11612860 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat supporting PHP
2007/7/16, jean-frederic clere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Joe Nathan wrote: > I am talking about in-built capability that people do NOT need > to install heaps of cranky-installation software packages! Do you want a 100% Java PHP engine or just a simple native to Java bridge ? Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Nathan wrote: I am talking about in-built capability that people do NOT need to install heaps of cranky-installation software packages! You may try http://labs.jboss.com/wiki/Jbossweb and http://labs.jboss.com/file-access/default/members/jbossweb/freezone/modules/php/index.html Cheers Jean-Frederic regards. Yoav Shapira-2 wrote: Hey, On 7/14/07, Bill Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Joe Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think if Tomcat also supports PHP scripts, it could be wonderful!. Google is your friend :) http://www.google.com/search?q=php+servlet. I don't think that there is much interest in hosting a PHP servlet in Tomcat however. Bill's right. I also wrote up (the initial version of) http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/UsingPhp a while ago, if you're still interested in this approach. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am talking about in-built capability that people do NOT need to install heaps of cranky-installation software packages! regards. Yoav Shapira-2 wrote: > > Hey, > > On 7/14/07, Bill Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> "Joe Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > I think if Tomcat also supports PHP scripts, it could be wonderful!. >> >> Google is your friend :) http://www.google.com/search?q=php+servlet. >> >> I don't think that there is much interest in hosting a PHP servlet in >> Tomcat >> however. > > Bill's right. > > I also wrote up (the initial version of) > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/UsingPhp a while ago, if you're still > interested in this approach. > > Yoav > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11606570 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey, On 7/14/07, Bill Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Joe Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think if Tomcat also supports PHP scripts, it could be wonderful!. Google is your friend :) http://www.google.com/search?q=php+servlet. I don't think that there is much interest in hosting a PHP servlet in Tomcat however. Bill's right. I also wrote up (the initial version of) http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/UsingPhp a while ago, if you're still interested in this approach. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bill Barker-2 wrote: > > Google is your friend :) http://www.google.com/search?q=php+servlet. > I don't think that there is much interest in hosting a PHP servlet in > Tomcat > however. > I didn't find much useful info from search. I think there may be lots of people to have a single server doing it all! At the moment, I have to deal with Apache, PHP, Tomcat, Axis2, ... It's a very messy business. If you build off-the-shelf type applications, this is terrible thing to have for end-users! regards. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11599227 Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Joe Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think if Tomcat also supports PHP scripts, it could be wonderful!. Google is your friend :) http://www.google.com/search?q=php+servlet. I don't think that there is much interest in hosting a PHP servlet in Tomcat however. > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Tomcat-supporting-PHP-tf4080523.html#a11597960 > Sent from the Tomcat - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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