Re: [discuss] drop drop-in-war

2015-05-20 Thread Karan Malhi
I would not remove the drop-in-war feature. Most of the times people first
adopt Tomcat and then look for enterprise level features. Drop-in-war
allows them to not "rip and replace" but simply adopt TomEE on their
existing Tomcat farm.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> David,
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:29 PM David Blevins 
> wrote:
>
> > What do people think about dropping the drop-in-war feature in .next?
> >
> > It has had two use cases:
> >
> >  - allow users to use their own tomcat version and just add TomEE
> >
> >  - allow users to use "TomEE" in situations where they don't have access
> to
> > modify the server (cloud)
> >
>
> I'm assuming you mean PaaS here, right?
>
>
> >
> > It seems we can do the first case better with the TomEE maven plugin
> > (certainly a possibility if not already there).
> >
> > The second seems less needed these days. Jelastic has first class support
> > for TomEE in their cloud. Others should learn from them.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>



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Re: [discuss] drop drop-in-war

2015-05-19 Thread John D. Ament
David,


On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:29 PM David Blevins 
wrote:

> What do people think about dropping the drop-in-war feature in .next?
>
> It has had two use cases:
>
>  - allow users to use their own tomcat version and just add TomEE
>
>  - allow users to use "TomEE" in situations where they don't have access to
> modify the server (cloud)
>

I'm assuming you mean PaaS here, right?


>
> It seems we can do the first case better with the TomEE maven plugin
> (certainly a possibility if not already there).
>
> The second seems less needed these days. Jelastic has first class support
> for TomEE in their cloud. Others should learn from them.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -David
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my iPhone
>


Re: [discuss] drop drop-in-war

2015-05-19 Thread Jonathan Gallimore
I'm in favour of dropping it - its been many years since I last used it,
and I'm not aware of it being widely used (except the beanstalk question on
the mailing list earlier, but Docker with an unzipped TomEE bundle might be
a better solution anyway).

Jon

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:29 PM, David Blevins 
wrote:

> What do people think about dropping the drop-in-war feature in .next?
>
> It has had two use cases:
>
>  - allow users to use their own tomcat version and just add TomEE
>
>  - allow users to use "TomEE" in situations where they don't have access to
> modify the server (cloud)
>
> It seems we can do the first case better with the TomEE maven plugin
> (certainly a possibility if not already there).
>
> The second seems less needed these days. Jelastic has first class support
> for TomEE in their cloud. Others should learn from them.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -David
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my iPhone
>



-- 
Jonathan Gallimore
http://twitter.com/jongallimore
http://www.tomitribe.com


Re: [discuss] drop drop-in-war

2015-05-19 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
+1 on the absolute but in practise it doesnt mean removing much code, maybe
OpenEJBListener and the listener facade but not much more isnt it?

2015-05-20 0:29 GMT+02:00 David Blevins :

> What do people think about dropping the drop-in-war feature in .next?
>
> It has had two use cases:
>
>  - allow users to use their own tomcat version and just add TomEE
>

well it is already wrong since some years since we are often bound to a
particular version cause of tomcat API changes.


>
>  - allow users to use "TomEE" in situations where they don't have access to
> modify the server (cloud)
>
>
overlay is prefered in such a case since it is deterministic (webapp access
only and not conf/).



> It seems we can do the first case better with the TomEE maven plugin
> (certainly a possibility if not already there).
>
> The second seems less needed these days. Jelastic has first class support
> for TomEE in their cloud. Others should learn from them.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -David
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my iPhone
>


[discuss] drop drop-in-war

2015-05-19 Thread David Blevins
What do people think about dropping the drop-in-war feature in .next?

It has had two use cases:

 - allow users to use their own tomcat version and just add TomEE

 - allow users to use "TomEE" in situations where they don't have access to
modify the server (cloud)

It seems we can do the first case better with the TomEE maven plugin
(certainly a possibility if not already there).

The second seems less needed these days. Jelastic has first class support
for TomEE in their cloud. Others should learn from them.

Thoughts?

-David



-- 
Sent from my iPhone