On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:31:21 +0200
eric eric.bach...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany a écrit :
Hi List,
the Wiki Cleanup has been almost completed. There are just seven
pages left in:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages
and ... what is the problem with the previous Education Project IRC
Meeting ?
Its not added to the Category:Education or any of its subcategories.
Actually it is not in any category at all.
No I won't : every IRC meeting is a part of the OpenOffice.org story,
so this is not an option to delete that.
You dont have to -- just adding [[Category:Education]] in the
first place might have saved you a lot of hassle.
Historically, the wiki was there for *developers*, and then came some
people who want to control every body, every thing ...
This is not about control. It is about _not_ littering the wiki with
pages that are not linked and categorized. Before the cleanup there
where more than 1400 such pages. Nobody ever felt responsible for them.
Some contained spam, bad advertisements and other legally questionable
content that is a risk to the OpenOffice.org project. How would you
like some extreme political rants hosted on OpenOffice.org? Between
1400 uncategorized pages we would never know about them until the
lawyers drop us a note.
I think you really do a bad job there.
I dont think so. And you might care to explain yourself.
Why yet another war against Education Project ?
No need for paranoia. All other projects have been notified too.
FYI, at the beginning (you were not there ..) it was decided to NOT
add categories to the IRC meetings (same for the macport, because it
was too noisy.
In the beginning the wiki was small. However, it is _not_ noisy to
have a category Education/Minutes or Education/IRCLogs that is a
subcategory of Education and drop the logs there.
see
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Extensions/Minutes
The Extension project does not seem to have died from that.
But as I wrote, you just came after those rules have been decided,
and worse : new rules have been invented without take care of the
first one :/
There was no first rule -- actually there were ca. 10 different sets
of rules, all contradicting a bit and duplicating a bit.
And in contrast to all the other inventors of rules, I cleaned up
most of the wiki myself, before asking other to stick to at least a few
basic guidelines. I you volunteer to check and watch the next 1400
pages that are either not linked or categorized and take legal blame
for what comes up there, I might be more inclined to take your opinion
seriously.
Please take a close look at the pages in the following categories:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Education
(156 members)
I won't : this is an important IRC meeting, made with students, and
it *must* be kept : this is the history of the project that you want
to delete.
Please read again what I wrote: I do not want to delete those pages,
but I ask you to make subcategories in Education, so people might find
some useful navigation. I wont delete something that has
[[Category:Education]] (or one of its subcategories) on it -- however I
will regard you and the Education project to be responsible for the
content.
Again, the worse thing that can happen in a Community project in
fact ...
Yeah, see how the Documentation and User Experience communities are
enraged by the cleanup an the simplification of contribution guidelines
(yes, those have been quite complex up to now -- you just did not
notice because you choose to ignore them).
Please create subcategories (for example: Education/Meeting
Minutes, Education/Effort) and move the pages into the more
specific subcategory.
I'm not Sun-Oracle employee, so do it yourself.
That was not an order or command (those rarely start with please).
Maybe you should consider the concern anyway just as Sun employees
consider yours.
Best Regards and thanks to all who helped out,
If you remove the IRC meeting, I'll stop immediately to contribute to
the OpenOffice.org Wiki, and I'll publically explain what happened.
Is it really that hard to add [[Category:Education/Minutes]] to the
text that you copy-pasted? I dont think so. You probably could have
done that on all Education Minutes currently on the Wiki in less time
it took you to write this mail.
BR,
Bjoern
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