Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
Hi, I have talked with the other guys in my company (comSysto) and this in short what come out: -comSysto has no problem to donate what is already done, i.e. the repository at https://github.com/comsysto/wicket-userguide (currently is private). In this case any reference to comSysto and any copyright note would be removed, the repo would became (of course) public and I would be the owner (not comSysto). That said, Apache we will be free (of course) of cloning it, forking it or moving it to the Apache server. In meantime we can change the URL of the guide and make it an apache-domain URL, like for example 'wicket.apache.org/guide' or 'wicketguide.apache.org'. -we would like to keep the current format for documentation (Grails doc gdoc) which is quite easy to work with and is already ready to go online. -the company would like to keep a basic kind of reference to its corporate site. Is this possible? Can we do, for example, a list of contributors? Any suggestion/idea about this point? Thank you for your contributions. PS: I guess that the new format of the guide, no matter what, will be mirrored on GitHub just like the code repository, right? Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
Hi Andrea, Thanks for resolving this! I think the next step is to put the files in https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/wicket/common/site/trunk, next to the rest of the site This will make it easy to upload any improvements. I don't like that we have to use SVN but this is how Apache PubSub works ... I think it should not be a problem if the guide lists all contributors and links to ComSysto, but I'll let Martijn to answer because he knows better Apache's rules. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Andrea Del Bene an.delb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I have talked with the other guys in my company (comSysto) and this in short what come out: -comSysto has no problem to donate what is already done, i.e. the repository at https://github.com/comsysto/wicket-userguide (currently is private). In this case any reference to comSysto and any copyright note would be removed, the repo would became (of course) public and I would be the owner (not comSysto). That said, Apache we will be free (of course) of cloning it, forking it or moving it to the Apache server. In meantime we can change the URL of the guide and make it an apache-domain URL, like for example 'wicket.apache.org/guide' or 'wicketguide.apache.org '. -we would like to keep the current format for documentation (Grails doc gdoc) which is quite easy to work with and is already ready to go online. -the company would like to keep a basic kind of reference to its corporate site. Is this possible? Can we do, for example, a list of contributors? Any suggestion/idea about this point? Thank you for your contributions. PS: I guess that the new format of the guide, no matter what, will be mirrored on GitHub just like the code repository, right? Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
[x] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project -igor On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
+1 to accept the Wicket Free Guide On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM, cmen...@wicketbuch.de wrote: [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov mgrigo...@apache.orgwrote: -0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. [...] whether everything is still legal. I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part. As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute and license as he sees fit. Martijn
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
Hi, there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative Commons by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) and you are free to modify and redistribute it. In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments. Hope to have been clear. Andrea. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov mgrigo...@apache.orgwrote: -0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. [...] whether everything is still legal. I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part. As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute and license as he sees fit. Martijn
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
Andrea, Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One at Apache that uses the attachment in WICKET-5321https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321 and another maintained by ComSysto ? If YES then which one you will work on ? :-) I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my concerns are that: - there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the users, - and the ASF one will be behind the commercially supported one On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene an.delb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative Commons by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) and you are free to modify and redistribute it. In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments. Hope to have been clear. Andrea. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov mgrigo...@apache.org wrote: -0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. [...] whether everything is still legal. I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part. As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute and license as he sees fit. Martijn
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
I understand your concerns. The original plan was to bring it to GitHub to easily collect contributions also from other users, hence its repository should became public. However, this project is quite recent and is a work in progress and I must ask my colleagues and my boss for more details about it. That said, I still believe that the natural evolution of the guide is to be part of the project to become that free documentation that was missing. In addition, I hope that under the Apache umbrella, it will be easier to maintain it and find other contributors. Andrea, Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One at Apache that uses the attachment in WICKET-5321https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321 and another maintained by ComSysto ? If YES then which one you will work on ? :-) I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my concerns are that: - there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the users, - and the ASF one will be behind the commercially supported one On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene an.delb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative Commons by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) and you are free to modify and redistribute it. In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments. Hope to have been clear. Andrea. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov mgrigo...@apache.org wrote: -0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. [...] whether everything is still legal. I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part. As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute and license as he sees fit. Martijn
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
I think it would help to have a neutral (i.e. Apache) host for the documentation if you want to have more contributors. I'm pretty sure many would be reluctant to contribute to something that is then presented as From this company that I don't actually work for. To my untrained eye the legal situation seems to be alright. ComSysto are well within their rights to host this documentation, it's originally theirs after all. And don't get me wrong, it is definitely a very good piece of work. Also, we could use Andrea's contribution to the ASF and host that here. But I think it would be very confusing for users if we had a second, diverging version of the documentation at Apache. I think it should either become the official documentation and live at Apache, *or* it should be at ComSysto. Either way is fine, but not both. Therefore, I'd like to change my vote to -0.5 until this is cleared up. Carl-Eric On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:10:48 +0200 Andrea Del Bene an.delb...@gmail.com wrote: I understand your concerns. The original plan was to bring it to GitHub to easily collect contributions also from other users, hence its repository should became public. However, this project is quite recent and is a work in progress and I must ask my colleagues and my boss for more details about it. That said, I still believe that the natural evolution of the guide is to be part of the project to become that free documentation that was missing. In addition, I hope that under the Apache umbrella, it will be easier to maintain it and find other contributors. Andrea, Does this mean that there will be two versions of the guide ? One at Apache that uses the attachment in WICKET-5321https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321 and another maintained by ComSysto ? If YES then which one you will work on ? :-) I understand why Martijn wants the guide to be in ASF but my concerns are that: - there will be two versions of the guide and this will confuse the users, - and the ASF one will be behind the commercially supported one On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrea Del Bene an.delb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, there's no problem from a legal point of view. My company started to convert the guide to HTML the same days Martijn asked me to join Wicket team and we (at comSysto) are planning to enrich it with some use-cases from our customers. That said, as long as you use my original guide, you don't have to be afraid of anything as it was published under Creative Commons by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/**licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/) and you are free to modify and redistribute it. In addition, there's an explicit agreement between me and ASF that grants to this last one any right on this document for future usages/developments. Hope to have been clear. Andrea. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Martin Grigorov mgrigo...@apache.org wrote: -0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. [...] whether everything is still legal. I'll let Andrea comment on the ComSysto part. As far as legal is concerned: if Andrea still intends to grant us the guide, it is legal and within the ASF guidelines. AFAIK the document was written by Andrea in his time and by him, and it is his right to distribute and license as he sees fit. Martijn
[VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn -- Jeremy Thomerson http://wickettraining.com
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
+1 to incorporate the Wicket Free Guide, Sven Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com schrieb: Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
[X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide :) Am 18.08.2013 16:48, schrieb Martijn Dashorst: Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
Re: [VOTE] Accept the Wicket Free Guide as a part of Apache Wicket
-0 The guide is already published in HTML format [1] by ComSysto - Andrea's new employer. It lists few more authors now - Carsten Hufe, Christian Kroemer, Daniel Bartl. I'm not sure what ComSysto thinks about this vote and whether everything is still legal. 1. http://wicketguide.comsysto.com/guide/index.html On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Michael Mosmann mich...@mosmann.de wrote: [X] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide :) Am 18.08.2013 16:48, schrieb Martijn Dashorst: Andrea del Bene has granted us the ability to include the Wicket Free Guide into our project and to conclude the IP-clearance we need to actually vote to have the guide accepted. The donated file is available as an attachment at [1]. The grant actually lists the google code repository for reference, so perhaps that one is more up to date. So here's the vote (runs for 72 hours): [ ] Yes, accept the Wicket Free Guide to incorporate into our project [ ] No, don't accept the Wicket Free Guide Martijn PS. It is the intention to build a HTML version of the document using some easy to maintain format, but the specifics of the conversion is not part of this vote. [1]: https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/WICKET-5321https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-5321
