Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Jörg Knobloch]

On 03/03/2017 12:10, Gervase Markham wrote:

Or if you just want to see it, mouse over and read the tooltip.
The requirement explicitly stated was: I'd also like to see the full 
date and hour in a *copyable* form.


I raised some usability issues in bug 1344233 as requested.

Jörg.


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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Honza Bambas]

Few questions:

- Are there any plans on a higher contrast version of the new UI? 
Honestly, having titles overs comments light gray on a light gray 
background is at least pretty sad.  Also citations are again gray making 
navigation among comments pretty hard just making my eyes more tired.


- How long will the other old themes be around?  Specifically Dusk, 
which I've been using for nearly 10 years.  With Dusk it's way easier to 
distinct sections (status and flags/attachments/comments, specially the 
first one) each from another than in the new UI.  I'd like to keep Dusk 
for few more years ahead for old dogs like me if the new UI doesn't improve.


Thanks

-hb-

On 01/03/2017 21:47, David Lawrence wrote:

Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
view that has been in development for a while. For those who would like
to use the old form, instructions on how to switch back are below in the
background information. The old form will, however, be removed one day,
so please try to use the new one and make suggestions on how it can be
improved.

 As some of you may already know, and maybe even have been using it
for a while, the BMO [1] team has been working on a new bug view page
(a.k.a. show_bug.cgi) for some time [2] . The older, stock bug form was
not well laid out and was difficult to understand, with all of the
fields visible regardless of how often they were used. The stock form
was originally designed to  display all of a bug’s data, and users had
to adapt their workflows accordingly. The BMO team designed a completely
new and more efficient view for the workflows of the majority of BMO users.

 The new bug-editing form has been added to BMO alongside the stock
form and can be enabled by toggling a user preference [3]. We have been
incrementally improving it and collecting feedback by those brave enough
to use it early on. The new form is using more modern design practices
and therefore is easier for us to improve and expand on. Any new
enhancements will be done only on the new form going forward. It was
code named ‘Bug Modal’ due to the modular layout of the page. Each
submodule can be collapsed out of view and expanded when needed.

 At this time we feel that the form is feature complete and has now
become the new default bug form for BMO. We have finished all the
blockers in our tracking bug report [4]. The older, stock bug view form
will still be around, and you can use the user preferences form to
switch back to the old one [3]. In the future, we will be removing the
old form completely after fixing a few more bugs [6], and we will make
another announcement before doing so. Removing the old code will make it
easier on us from a maintenance standpoint. Any bugs, comments, or ideas
for improvement of the modal form can be reported in BMO [5].

Thanks!
BMO Team

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[2] https://globau.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/bmo-new-look
[3]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=settings#ui_experiments_row
[4] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150541
[5]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.mozilla.org=User%20Interface:%20Modal=__default__
[6] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1273046
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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Gervase Markham]

On 02/03/17 17:11, Byron Jones wrote:
> set "Use absolute format instead of relative time when viewing a bug"

Or if you just want to see it, mouse over and read the tooltip.

Gerv
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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Myk Melez]

> Mike Hommey 
> 2017 March 1 at 14:50
> 1. I often wish browsers were helpful here. Seriously. When an anchor is
> close enough to the end of the page that the page can't be scrolled for
> it to be at the top of the viewport, it's a PITA to find where it is.
Indeed. I thought I recalled reading a particular comment about why this
is hard to resolve, but I don't find that one now, only a bunch of
discussion in a variety of interrelated bugs:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735614
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269172
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68402

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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Byron Jones]

Jörg Knobloch wrote:

Some more feedback: While "3 years ago" is nice for the date display,
I'd also like to see the full date and hour in a copyable form. Another
bug for that? Or is there a setting that will do it already?


set "Use absolute format instead of relative time when viewing a bug"

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=settings#ui_use_absolute_time

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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Jörg Knobloch]

On 02/03/2017 16:06, David Lawrence wrote:

Thanks for the feedback. Please file this as a bug if you haven't
already, outlining the proposed workflow change. I could see how
automatically exposing the milestone form field when resolving a bug
could be useful for a lot of people.


Yes, maybe useful for the sheriffs, or is closing a bug fully automated?

Some more feedback: While "3 years ago" is nice for the date display, 
I'd also like to see the full date and hour in a copyable form. Another 
bug for that? Or is there a setting that will do it already?


Jörg.

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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Benjamin Smedberg]

One other tip which really helped me: you can hit Control-E to go to bug
editing mode. I bet there are other cool keyboard shortcuts, but I don't
know if there's a guide or not.

--BDS

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Lawrence 
wrote:

>Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
> view that has been in development for a while. For those who would like
> to use the old form, instructions on how to switch back are below in the
> background information. The old form will, however, be removed one day,
> so please try to use the new one and make suggestions on how it can be
> improved.
>
> As some of you may already know, and maybe even have been using it
> for a while, the BMO [1] team has been working on a new bug view page
> (a.k.a. show_bug.cgi) for some time [2] . The older, stock bug form was
> not well laid out and was difficult to understand, with all of the
> fields visible regardless of how often they were used. The stock form
> was originally designed to  display all of a bug’s data, and users had
> to adapt their workflows accordingly. The BMO team designed a completely
> new and more efficient view for the workflows of the majority of BMO users.
>
> The new bug-editing form has been added to BMO alongside the stock
> form and can be enabled by toggling a user preference [3]. We have been
> incrementally improving it and collecting feedback by those brave enough
> to use it early on. The new form is using more modern design practices
> and therefore is easier for us to improve and expand on. Any new
> enhancements will be done only on the new form going forward. It was
> code named ‘Bug Modal’ due to the modular layout of the page. Each
> submodule can be collapsed out of view and expanded when needed.
>
> At this time we feel that the form is feature complete and has now
> become the new default bug form for BMO. We have finished all the
> blockers in our tracking bug report [4]. The older, stock bug view form
> will still be around, and you can use the user preferences form to
> switch back to the old one [3]. In the future, we will be removing the
> old form completely after fixing a few more bugs [6], and we will make
> another announcement before doing so. Removing the old code will make it
> easier on us from a maintenance standpoint. Any bugs, comments, or ideas
> for improvement of the modal form can be reported in BMO [5].
>
> Thanks!
> BMO Team
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
> [2] https://globau.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/bmo-new-look
> [3]
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=settings#ui_experiments_row
> [4] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150541
> [5]
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.mozilla.org;
> component=User%20Interface:%20Modal=__default__
> [6] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1273046
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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[David Lawrence]

Thanks for the feedback. Please file this as a bug if you haven't
already, outlining the proposed workflow change. I could see how
automatically exposing the milestone form field when resolving a bug
could be useful for a lot of people.

Thanks
dkl

On 3/2/17 3:13 AM, Jörg Knobloch wrote:
> On 01/03/2017 21:47, David Lawrence wrote:
>> Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
>> view that has been in development for a while.
> 
> I like the fact that you can now change the Product in one step.
> 
> Sadly when resolving a bug, there's now an additional click necessary on
> "Edit Bug" to set the Target Milestone. And at least once I had to click
> once more to expand the Tracking section.
> 
> Sorry, some people have never happy with progress ;-)
> 
> Jörg.
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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Jörg Knobloch]

On 01/03/2017 21:47, David Lawrence wrote:

Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
view that has been in development for a while.


I like the fact that you can now change the Product in one step.

Sadly when resolving a bug, there's now an additional click necessary on 
"Edit Bug" to set the Target Milestone. And at least once I had to click 
once more to expand the Tracking section.


Sorry, some people have never happy with progress ;-)

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Re: ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[Mike Hommey]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 03:47:32PM -0500, David Lawrence wrote:
>Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
> view that has been in development for a while. For those who would like
> to use the old form, instructions on how to switch back are below in the
> background information. The old form will, however, be removed one day,
> so please try to use the new one and make suggestions on how it can be
> improved.
> 
> As some of you may already know, and maybe even have been using it
> for a while, the BMO [1] team has been working on a new bug view page
> (a.k.a. show_bug.cgi) for some time [2] . The older, stock bug form was
> not well laid out and was difficult to understand, with all of the
> fields visible regardless of how often they were used. The stock form
> was originally designed to  display all of a bug’s data, and users had
> to adapt their workflows accordingly. The BMO team designed a completely
> new and more efficient view for the workflows of the majority of BMO users.
> 
> The new bug-editing form has been added to BMO alongside the stock
> form and can be enabled by toggling a user preference [3]. We have been
> incrementally improving it and collecting feedback by those brave enough
> to use it early on. The new form is using more modern design practices
> and therefore is easier for us to improve and expand on. Any new
> enhancements will be done only on the new form going forward. It was
> code named ‘Bug Modal’ due to the modular layout of the page. Each
> submodule can be collapsed out of view and expanded when needed.
> 
> At this time we feel that the form is feature complete and has now
> become the new default bug form for BMO. We have finished all the
> blockers in our tracking bug report [4]. The older, stock bug view form
> will still be around, and you can use the user preferences form to
> switch back to the old one [3]. In the future, we will be removing the
> old form completely after fixing a few more bugs [6], and we will make
> another announcement before doing so. Removing the old code will make it
> easier on us from a maintenance standpoint. Any bugs, comments, or ideas
> for improvement of the modal form can be reported in BMO [5].
> 
> Thanks!
> BMO Team
> 
> [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
> [2] https://globau.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/bmo-new-look
> [3]
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=settings#ui_experiments_row

For those who are lost when anchors point to somewhere other than the
top of the viewport, it's the "Use experimental user interface" item
under "User Interface". [1]

(I was surprised to see no change today. Turns out, I already had it On
for months)

Mike


1. I often wish browsers were helpful here. Seriously. When an anchor is
close enough to the end of the page that the page can't be scrolled for
it to be at the top of the viewport, it's a PITA to find where it is.
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ANN: Default bug view for BMO changed today!

[David Lawrence]

   Today, the BMO Team changed the default bug view to the new modal
view that has been in development for a while. For those who would like
to use the old form, instructions on how to switch back are below in the
background information. The old form will, however, be removed one day,
so please try to use the new one and make suggestions on how it can be
improved.

As some of you may already know, and maybe even have been using it
for a while, the BMO [1] team has been working on a new bug view page
(a.k.a. show_bug.cgi) for some time [2] . The older, stock bug form was
not well laid out and was difficult to understand, with all of the
fields visible regardless of how often they were used. The stock form
was originally designed to  display all of a bug’s data, and users had
to adapt their workflows accordingly. The BMO team designed a completely
new and more efficient view for the workflows of the majority of BMO users.

The new bug-editing form has been added to BMO alongside the stock
form and can be enabled by toggling a user preference [3]. We have been
incrementally improving it and collecting feedback by those brave enough
to use it early on. The new form is using more modern design practices
and therefore is easier for us to improve and expand on. Any new
enhancements will be done only on the new form going forward. It was
code named ‘Bug Modal’ due to the modular layout of the page. Each
submodule can be collapsed out of view and expanded when needed.

At this time we feel that the form is feature complete and has now
become the new default bug form for BMO. We have finished all the
blockers in our tracking bug report [4]. The older, stock bug view form
will still be around, and you can use the user preferences form to
switch back to the old one [3]. In the future, we will be removing the
old form completely after fixing a few more bugs [6], and we will make
another announcement before doing so. Removing the old code will make it
easier on us from a maintenance standpoint. Any bugs, comments, or ideas
for improvement of the modal form can be reported in BMO [5].

Thanks!
BMO Team

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[2] https://globau.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/bmo-new-look
[3]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=settings#ui_experiments_row
[4] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150541
[5]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.mozilla.org=User%20Interface:%20Modal=__default__
[6] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1273046
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