Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Philip Chee]

On 26/08/2016 04:08, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> On 8/25/16 3:22 PM, Andrew McCreight wrote:

>> Searchfox works pretty well for blame including the CVS history,
>> including large files that github won't show you.
> 
> The point is in this case the CVS history has a single crash-landing,
>  unless you look at the (different) aviary branch CVS repo.

Precisely.

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Boris Zbarsky]

On 8/25/16 3:22 PM, Andrew McCreight wrote:

Searchfox works pretty well for blame including the CVS history, including
large files that github won't show you.


The point is in this case the CVS history has a single crash-landing, 
unless you look at the (different) aviary branch CVS repo.


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Andrew McCreight]

Searchfox works pretty well for blame including the CVS history, including
large files that github won't show you.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Philip Chee  wrote:

> On 16/09/2015 01:01, smaug wrote:
> > On 09/15/2015 06:53 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> >> On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
> >>> I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full
> >>> history.
> >>
> >> Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files
> >> in our source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get
> >> blame for, in my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if
> >> you're trying to do the sorts of things you used to be able to do
> >> with bonsai.
> >>
> >> I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS
> >> repo blame to replace bonsai...
> >
> > I guess that is unofficially http://52.25.115.98/viewvc/main/
>
> This is fine until I ran into a revision that said "Landed Aviary
> (browser part) which is just a very large diff. I remember MXR had an
> Aviary branch tree...
>
> Phil
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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Philip Chee]

On 16/09/2015 01:01, smaug wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 06:53 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>> On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full
>>> history.
>> 
>> Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files
>> in our source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get
>> blame for, in my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if
>> you're trying to do the sorts of things you used to be able to do
>> with bonsai.
>> 
>> I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS
>> repo blame to replace bonsai...
> 
> I guess that is unofficially http://52.25.115.98/viewvc/main/

This is fine until I ran into a revision that said "Landed Aviary
(browser part) which is just a very large diff. I remember MXR had an
Aviary branch tree...

Phil

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Philip Chee]

On 15/09/2015 23:53, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
> On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.

> Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files in our 
> source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get blame for, in 
> my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if you're trying to do the 
> sorts of things you used to be able to do with bonsai.
> 
> I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS repo 
> blame to replace bonsai...

But we don't have a working CVS repository any more right?

Phil (is confused)

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Ehsan Akhgari]

On 2015-09-15 11:53 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:

On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:

I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.


Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files in our
source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get blame for, in
my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if you're trying to do the
sorts of things you used to be able to do with bonsai.


Out of curiosity, which files are you mentioning here?

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Gregory Szorc]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Boris Zbarsky  wrote:

> On 9/16/15 2:38 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
>
>> But we don't have a working CVS repository any more right?
>>
>
> I could be confused, but I believe the CVS repo exists.  It can certainly
> be used in a read-only mode.  I don't know whether it allows commits.


We no longer have a CVS server.

Snapshots of the repositories can be found at
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/vcs-archive/. cvs-main contains
Firefox.

ViewVC works by reading from a CVS repository. But it doesn't run a CVS
server nor does it expose the raw CVS files to the internet.
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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Boris Zbarsky]

On 9/16/15 2:01 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:

Out of curiosity, which files are you mentioning here?


Here are some lovely links that all produce "This blame took too long to 
generate.  Sorry about that." for me:


https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp

https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/dom/base/nsDocument.cpp

https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp

I have not done an exhaustive search for such files in our tree, but 
just those three represent a significant fraction of my blame lookups...


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Jeff Muizelaar]

Blame does work on those files locally. FWIW, fugitive vim's Gblame
command has the ability to jump back to the blame of parent revision
of the current line which makes it much easier to navigate history
than any web based blame tool that I've seen. Even if you only use vim
for GBlame I'd say it's still worth using.

-Jeff

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Boris Zbarsky  wrote:
> On 9/16/15 2:01 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity, which files are you mentioning here?
>
>
> Here are some lovely links that all produce "This blame took too long to
> generate.  Sorry about that." for me:
>
> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp
>
> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/dom/base/nsDocument.cpp
>
> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blame/master/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp
>
> I have not done an exhaustive search for such files in our tree, but just
> those three represent a significant fraction of my blame lookups...
>
>
> -Boris
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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Boris Zbarsky]

On 9/16/15 3:02 PM, Jeff Muizelaar wrote:

Blame does work on those files locally.


Sure.  Locally everything is fine.

As soon as there is good integration between dxr/mxr and local stuff, 
and as soon as I can send someone a sane text representation of a local 
blame display, we can just drop web blame.  ;)


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Boris Zbarsky]

On 9/16/15 2:38 AM, Philip Chee wrote:

But we don't have a working CVS repository any more right?


I could be confused, but I believe the CVS repo exists.  It can 
certainly be used in a read-only mode.  I don't know whether it allows 
commits.


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Joshua Cranmer ]

On 9/15/2015 10:53 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:

On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:

I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.


Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files in 
our source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get blame 
for, in my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if you're trying 
to do the sorts of things you used to be able to do with bonsai.


I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS 
repo blame to replace bonsai...


FWIW, I did try to import something using what appears to be the best 
quality CVS exporter (cvs-fast-export), only to run into a problem that 
we apparently landed some files on CVS branches that got merged into 
mainline, which causes the generated revision graph to be cyclic (which, 
as the author to said project confessed, was both known and extremely 
hard to fix). Well, and I had to bump several "maximum repository 
complexity" defines :-) .


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Boris Zbarsky]

On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:

I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.


Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files in our 
source tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get blame for, in 
my experience), so it's of pretty limited use if you're trying to do the 
sorts of things you used to be able to do with bonsai.


I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS repo 
blame to replace bonsai...


-Boris
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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Neil]

Joshua Cranmer  wrote:

There is no git or mercurial repository that contains the full history 
of mozilla CVS. Slightly unsurprising, since the full history of 
mozilla CVS actually breaks most conversion tools.


Even "CVS moved" files throw them a loop, I tried looking for blame for 
some code recently and got unstuck because of this.


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Joshua Cranmer ]

On 9/15/2015 10:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:

On 2015-09-15 11:08 AM, Philip Chee wrote:

The Bonsai server +infra is gone. Is there an alternative?

Is there a mercurial repository that has a unified history of
mozilla-central plus cvs history? Bonus if it also includes comm-central.

Phil


I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.
Eg: I see that https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/LICENSE
has an initial commit in 1998.


There is no git or mercurial repository that contains the full history 
of mozilla CVS. Slightly unsurprising, since the full history of mozilla 
CVS actually breaks most conversion tools.


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Philipp Kewisch]

On 9/15/15 5:14 PM, Joshua Cranmer  wrote:
> On 9/15/2015 10:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>> On 2015-09-15 11:08 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
>>> The Bonsai server +infra is gone. Is there an alternative?
>>>
>>> Is there a mercurial repository that has a unified history of
>>> mozilla-central plus cvs history? Bonus if it also includes
>>> comm-central.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.
>> Eg: I see that https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/LICENSE
>> has an initial commit in 1998.
> 
> There is no git or mercurial repository that contains the full history
> of mozilla CVS. Slightly unsurprising, since the full history of mozilla
> CVS actually breaks most conversion tools.
> 

Here is one shot at it, it has served me quite well:
https://github.com/ehsan/mozilla-cvs-history

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Ben Hearsum]

On 2015-09-15 11:08 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
> The Bonsai server +infra is gone. Is there an alternative?
> 
> Is there a mercurial repository that has a unified history of
> mozilla-central plus cvs history? Bonus if it also includes comm-central.
> 
> Phil
> 

I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.
Eg: I see that https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/LICENSE
has an initial commit in 1998.
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Alternative to Bonsai?

[Philip Chee]

The Bonsai server +infra is gone. Is there an alternative?

Is there a mercurial repository that has a unified history of
mozilla-central plus cvs history? Bonus if it also includes comm-central.

Phil

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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[smaug]

On 09/15/2015 06:53 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:

On 9/15/15 11:11 AM, Ben Hearsum wrote:

I'm pretty sure https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev has full history.


Though note that it doesn't have working blame for a lot of files in our source 
tree (and especially the ones you'd _want_ to get blame for, in my
experience), so it's of pretty limited use if you're trying to do the sorts of 
things you used to be able to do with bonsai.

I believe gps is working on standing up a web front end for the CVS repo blame 
to replace bonsai...


I guess that is unofficially http://52.25.115.98/viewvc/main/




-Boris


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Re: Alternative to Bonsai?

[Gregory Szorc]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Philip Chee  wrote:

> The Bonsai server +infra is gone. Is there an alternative?
>
> Is there a mercurial repository that has a unified history of
> mozilla-central plus cvs history? Bonus if it also includes comm-central.
>

https://hg.mozilla.org/users/gszorc_mozilla.com/gecko-full is a Mercurial
repo with CVS history. More info at
http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2015/05/18/firefox-mercurial-repository-with-cvs-history/.
Yes, it hasn't been updating. If I had infinite time I would stand this up
as something more permanent.

You may find bug 1200362 and the link in comment #1 useful. I still need to
make a more permanent home for it. Hopefully this ties people over until I
have time.

People did some wonky things with the CVS repository back in the day. e.g.
people would SSH into the server and manually edit files inside the repo
*without* using CVS commands. hwine and people such as dbaron who were
around in the early days of Mozilla can tell you more. The takeaway is that
no conversion of the CVS repository to {Mercurial, Git, ... } will have
perfect history. In theory, we could have someone spend a few months
pouring over the repository and hand crafting a more proper conversion. I
doubt that will ever happen.
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