Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
I want to point out that the bug in question had 48 Mozillians CC'ed on it, so any comments on the bug which are extraneous to the subject of the bug add noise to the signal. Comments are a place to make a case for a fix, but not indulging in a jeremiad if a decision is made not to fix. -- Emma On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Tobias B. Besemer < tobias.bese...@googlemail.com> wrote: > K, I wait till Mozilla hit the bottom because marking my opinions to > problems as "Offtopic" and removing my rights because I get p*ssed that my > thinking about it is "off topic" is getting to much for me! > > But I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take anymore long till Mozilla is on > the ground... > > Seems Mozilla still don't get it, that Windows have a market share from > around 90%... > > https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10=0 > > ...while OS X have <10%... > http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201504-201604 > > And Firefox have now - depending on the sources you watch - <9% market > share... > ...while Google Chrome (with some parts be the same as FF and have started > much later) is now on ~57%... > https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php > http://gs.statcounter.com/ > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp > > ...the bottom seems no more far, because - even if geeks try to help - FF > lose ~2% market share per year... > http://www.sitepoint.com/browser-trends-august-2015-chrome-exceeds-50/ > > ...and have lost - even with the help of geeks - in the last 2,5 years > ~8%... > > https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1=0=2014=3=Y > > ...even if FF supports much more features/standard as every browser else... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers > http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support > https://html5test.com/ > > Maybe some people will get some enlightenment, if they read this: > > http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/06/24/9-questions-ask-softwares-beta-testers/ > Especially point 9. ... > > > Greets, Tobias. > > P.S.: And happy programming for yourself! > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
On 05/09/2016 04:59 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: But I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take anymore long till Mozilla is on the ground... It seems a bit odd that you're using the "you will lose marketshare" argument in favour of your demands, but in the content process bug your demands basically boiled down to "you should rename the processes to X, Y and who cares if it breaks the browsing experience for people because the stuff it breaks doesn't affect me personally" (comments 143 and 145). I'm pretty sure we'll lose users if we break the browsing experience for them. I engaged in a civil discussion explaining why we couldn't go down the route you suggested (I tried to land that originally, and it was backed out from Nightly after it became apparent that it was a browser-breaking change) and you responded with ranting and accusations of foul play due to not being an employee. I will reiterate what Andrew said - you are not being dismissed because you are not an employee. In fact, we engaged in discussions with you regarding your concerns and explaining why we were unable to do them. It was only after you started ranting because the discussions didn't go your way that we started to dismiss you because there was nothing constructive to discuss. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
K, I wait till Mozilla hit the bottom because marking my opinions to problems as "Offtopic" and removing my rights because I get p*ssed that my thinking about it is "off topic" is getting to much for me! But I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take anymore long till Mozilla is on the ground... Seems Mozilla still don't get it, that Windows have a market share from around 90%... https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10=0 ...while OS X have <10%... http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201504-201604 And Firefox have now - depending on the sources you watch - <9% market share... ...while Google Chrome (with some parts be the same as FF and have started much later) is now on ~57%... https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp ...the bottom seems no more far, because - even if geeks try to help - FF lose ~2% market share per year... http://www.sitepoint.com/browser-trends-august-2015-chrome-exceeds-50/ ...and have lost - even with the help of geeks - in the last 2,5 years ~8%... https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1=0=2014=3=Y ...even if FF supports much more features/standard as every browser else... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support https://html5test.com/ Maybe some people will get some enlightenment, if they read this: http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/06/24/9-questions-ask-softwares-beta-testers/ Especially point 9. ... Greets, Tobias. P.S.: And happy programming for yourself! ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
On 5/9/2016 2:23 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: Hi! Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS Project! The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! Now the project is almost death! Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! Would be nice, if some people think about it! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write my viewpoint to this topic!) ...and re-opened my attachment! Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! Greets, Tobias. There's a pretty big difference between "viewpoints" and abusive comments and shouting in bugs. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Am Montag, 9. Mai 2016 20:54:44 UTC+2 schrieb Kyle Huey: > Because you are *still* (as of 10 minutes ago) removing the off-topic > labels that were applied to clearly off-topic comments I have temporarily > removed your editbugs permissions. > > - Kyle > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer < > tobias.bese...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a > > OSS Project! > > The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! > > Now the project is almost death! > > Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! > > Would be nice, if some people think about it! > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 > > I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write > > my viewpoint to this topic!) > > ...and re-opened my attachment! > > Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things > > that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this > > opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! > > > > > > Greets, Tobias. > > ___ > > dev-platform mailing list > > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > > Yeah! This was the way Oracle was going, too... Btw.: If Mozilla die, you lose your job, too! Think about it! ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Am Montag, 9. Mai 2016 20:33:11 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew McCreight: > Thank you for opening a discussion thread rather than posting more in the > bug. > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a > > OSS Project! > > The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! > > Now the project is almost death! > > Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! > > Would be nice, if some people think about it! > > > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 > > I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write > > my viewpoint to this topic!) > > ...and re-opened my attachment! > > Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things > > that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this > > opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! > > > > I did not mark your posts off topic because you are not a Mozilla employee, > I marked them off-topic (comments 144, 145, and 146) because they are not > relevant to the technical discussion in the bug. The subject of the > bug is "Rename > the content process to something intelligible". Your posts are talking > about extensions breaking with e10s, how you are fine with breaking > Silverlight and Flash, and saying that Windows breaks software. None of > these advance the state of the discussion in the bug. > > Andrew > > > > > > > > Greets, Tobias. > > ___ > > dev-platform mailing list > > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > > You should read the complete bug again! Above were a lot of comments why it is OK or not to break things or rename files or not! So were is really the difference then that I'm not a employee ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Same belongs to bug 1219672! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219672 If Mozilla still don't know that I sometimes give a rant, if thing go really wrong, but on the other side my rants were the reasons in the last 2,5 years, that Firfox was getting on Windows much better again, then something at Mozilla goes really wrong! Btw.: Seems I and others are still to quit! Firefox is still losing market share! And there are reasons for it! Ignore them doesn't help! http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1=0=2014=3=Y ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Because you are *still* (as of 10 minutes ago) removing the off-topic labels that were applied to clearly off-topic comments I have temporarily removed your editbugs permissions. - Kyle On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer < tobias.bese...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a > OSS Project! > The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! > Now the project is almost death! > Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! > Would be nice, if some people think about it! > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 > I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write > my viewpoint to this topic!) > ...and re-opened my attachment! > Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things > that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this > opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! > > > Greets, Tobias. > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Thank you for opening a discussion thread rather than posting more in the bug. On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Tobias B. Besemer < tobias.bese...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a > OSS Project! > The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! > Now the project is almost death! > Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! > Would be nice, if some people think about it! > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 > I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write > my viewpoint to this topic!) > ...and re-opened my attachment! > Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things > that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this > opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! > I did not mark your posts off topic because you are not a Mozilla employee, I marked them off-topic (comments 144, 145, and 146) because they are not relevant to the technical discussion in the bug. The subject of the bug is "Rename the content process to something intelligible". Your posts are talking about extensions breaking with e10s, how you are fine with breaking Silverlight and Flash, and saying that Windows breaks software. None of these advance the state of the discussion in the bug. Andrew > > > Greets, Tobias. > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
On 2016-05-09 2:23 PM, Tobias B. Besemer wrote: Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! Would be nice, if some people think about it! While reasonable people can disagree about policy decisions, Bugzilla has never been the right place to air those disagreements. - mhoye ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS project!
Hi! Ignoring viewpoints of non-Mozilla-employees can't be the way to go for a OSS Project! The same mistake made Oracle with OpenOffice! Now the project is almost death! Think Mozilla should find his way back to his roots! Would be nice, if some people think about it! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114647 I removed the marker that my comments are "Offtopic" ... (because I write my viewpoint to this topic!) ...and re-opened my attachment! Even if the employees are not interested how other OSS-Geeks see things that belong to the integration for Mozilla Products into Windows, this opinions of not-employees are anyway not "Offtopic", or "Spam"! Greets, Tobias. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
