Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Media Working Group
There was supposed to be a a discussion about whether the charter 1) excluded EME, 2) included EME, or 3) included EME with protection for security researchers. I didn't see much discussion, then the charter was simply changed to option 2. https://github.com/w3c/charter-media-wg/issues/2 I think we should object to that and forcefully argue for a revised charter that goes with option 3. I don't see a point in option 1 since EME will still exist, and new features will happen one way or another (without a standard we could be left reverse-engineering a dominant implementation). -Dan Veditz On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:55 PM Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > (Mozilla fan boy here, not an employee) > > Just to chime in that a number of us involved in the last great W3C EME/DRM > fight are going to chime in that we'd like to see protections for security > researchers that do privacy and security work on browsers, specs, etc. The > idea that didn't go very far last time was a "litigation non-aggression > covenant" that would forbid any W3C member contributing to the spec to > threaten or file suit against security researchers working in this area. As > you can see, last time this didn't end well and resulted in the EFF exiting > W3C (IIRC): > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2017Jun/0015.html > It > seems important to have these conversations, but I must admit the apetite > to actually hammer out such a thing will not be big (imagine trying to > revise or propose a patent agreement, no one likes that). best, Joe > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:22 PM L. David Baron wrote: > > > The W3C is proposing a new charter for: > > > > Media Working Group > > https://www.w3.org/2019/04/media-charter-draft.html > > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Apr/0003.html > > > > Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through > > Friday, May 3. > > > > Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should > > say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should > > support or oppose it. > > > > Given that we implement a number of the specifications the group > > will maintain, and are likely to implement others, we should almost > > certainly express *some* opinion on this charter, even it is just > > support. > > > > -David > > > > -- > > 턞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 턂 > > 턢 Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ 턂 > > Before I built a wall I'd ask to know > > What I was walling in or walling out, > > And to whom I was like to give offense. > >- Robert Frost, Mending Wall (1914) > > ___ > > dev-platform mailing list > > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org > ] > 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 > e: j...@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Media Working Group
(Mozilla fan boy here, not an employee) Just to chime in that a number of us involved in the last great W3C EME/DRM fight are going to chime in that we'd like to see protections for security researchers that do privacy and security work on browsers, specs, etc. The idea that didn't go very far last time was a "litigation non-aggression covenant" that would forbid any W3C member contributing to the spec to threaten or file suit against security researchers working in this area. As you can see, last time this didn't end well and resulted in the EFF exiting W3C (IIRC): https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2017Jun/0015.html It seems important to have these conversations, but I must admit the apetite to actually hammer out such a thing will not be big (imagine trying to revise or propose a patent agreement, no one likes that). best, Joe On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:22 PM L. David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing a new charter for: > > Media Working Group > https://www.w3.org/2019/04/media-charter-draft.html > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Apr/0003.html > > Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through > Friday, May 3. > > Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should > say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should > support or oppose it. > > Given that we implement a number of the specifications the group > will maintain, and are likely to implement others, we should almost > certainly express *some* opinion on this charter, even it is just > support. > > -David > > -- > 턞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 턂 > 턢 Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ 턂 > Before I built a wall I'd ask to know > What I was walling in or walling out, > And to whom I was like to give offense. >- Robert Frost, Mending Wall (1914) > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: j...@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Proposed W3C Charter: Media Working Group
The W3C is proposing a new charter for: Media Working Group https://www.w3.org/2019/04/media-charter-draft.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Apr/0003.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through Friday, May 3. Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should support or oppose it. Given that we implement a number of the specifications the group will maintain, and are likely to implement others, we should almost certainly express *some* opinion on this charter, even it is just support. -David -- 턞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 턂 턢 Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ 턂 Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offense. - Robert Frost, Mending Wall (1914) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
