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Justin and I did some investigation and weren't able to reproduce the problems people were encountering last year. We confirmed that it is not necessary to subscribe before posting. If the sender is not whitelisted, then messages receive an immediate reply with the subject "Your message to firefox-dev awaits moderator approval". Messages caught by the spam filter do not receive this reply. If a message does not get posted on the list and there is no moderation auto-reply, then it has gone missing, perhaps filtered with the spam. firefox-dev-owner is the official contact if there is a problem. On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:55:19 -0700, Justin Dolske wrote: > Can you follow up with me in separate email about what posts you're > concerned about? > > I've done most of the rejection moderation on the list, and usually reply > to people explaining why and where a better venue would be. Most stuff that > has been moderated is exactly what's listed there as being off-topic, and > that's fairly uncommon. Obvious spam gets silently plonked, but that's > presumably not what you're talking about. > > This thread, had it been posted to firefox-dev, would very clearly be > on-topic and not rejected. > > Justin > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Karl Tomlinson wrote: > >> Benjamin Smedberg writes: >> >> > This is not the list for this question. Please respect this question to the >> > firefox-dev list. >> >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/firefox-dev says "Anyone can post. By >> default, posts will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the >> list." >> bit in fact some unclear set of posts are redirected to /dev/null, even >> when >> contributing to the goal and abiding by the rules. >> ___ >> dev-platform mailing list >> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >> ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
FYI, this was resolved yesterday. Peter DeHann's volunteered to triage the component. Replies to FFx list please. -- Emma On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:22 AM, wrote: > I have not been able to find an owner for the Firefox::New Tab Page > bugzilla component (bug 1346908). There are 35 tests in the tree and > without anyone to assume responsibility for them when they are intermittent > (bug 1338848), I plan to delete them all if I cannot get an owner by the > end of the month including someone who will sign up to be the triage owner > for the bugzilla component. > > Thanks for helping me find owners for tests! > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
Can you follow up with me in separate email about what posts you're concerned about? I've done most of the rejection moderation on the list, and usually reply to people explaining why and where a better venue would be. Most stuff that has been moderated is exactly what's listed there as being off-topic, and that's fairly uncommon. Obvious spam gets silently plonked, but that's presumably not what you're talking about. This thread, had it been posted to firefox-dev, would very clearly be on-topic and not rejected. Justin On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Karl Tomlinson wrote: > Benjamin Smedberg writes: > > > This is not the list for this question. Please respect this question to > the > > firefox-dev list. > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/firefox-dev says "Anyone can post. By > default, posts will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the > list." > bit in fact some unclear set of posts are redirected to /dev/null, even > when > contributing to the goal and abiding by the rules. > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
Benjamin Smedberg writes: > This is not the list for this question. Please respect this question to the > firefox-dev list. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/firefox-dev says "Anyone can post. By default, posts will be reviewed by a moderator before being sent to the list." bit in fact some unclear set of posts are redirected to /dev/null, even when contributing to the goal and abiding by the rules. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On 22/03/2017 13:22, jma...@mozilla.com wrote: I have not been able to find an owner for the Firefox::New Tab Page bugzilla component (bug 1346908). There are 35 tests in the tree and without anyone to assume responsibility for them when they are intermittent (bug 1338848), I plan to delete them all if I cannot get an owner by the end of the month including someone who will sign up to be the triage owner for the bugzilla component. Thanks for helping me find owners for tests! I've responded on the bug, so let's continue there. bsmedberg is right that fx-dev is probably a better place for this type of question (if relating to Firefox frontend stuff) in future. ~ Gijs ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:00 AM, David Burns wrote: > On 22 March 2017 at 13:49, Ben Kelly wrote: > >> Finding someone to own the feature and investigate intermittents is >> important too, but that doesn't mean the tests have zero value. >> > > This just strikes me that we are going to disable until they are all gone > then we have dead code in the tree and still no one to own it. Its a longer > process that could end up at the same end point. > Are *all* the tests intermittent? My quick read of the bug was that its a single test. I just don't understand the logic of *removing green tests* from the tree. The idea they might one day become intermittent is not compelling to me. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Ben Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:00 AM, David Burns wrote: > > > On 22 March 2017 at 13:49, Ben Kelly wrote: > > > >> Finding someone to own the feature and investigate intermittents is > >> important too, but that doesn't mean the tests have zero value. > >> > > > > This just strikes me that we are going to disable until they are all gone > > then we have dead code in the tree and still no one to own it. Its a > longer > > process that could end up at the same end point. > > > > Are *all* the tests intermittent? My quick read of the bug was that its a > single test. I just don't understand the logic of *removing green tests* > from the tree. The idea they might one day become intermittent is not > compelling to me. > Leaving aside this part, I think Joel's request is help to find an owner for these tests who can be responsible for maintaining them. I think this is the right approach and will help get the test suite into a better state over time. Finding an owner makes the rest of this thread moot at this point (although we can certainly talk about policy separately). Is there an obvious owner for the new tab page tests and Bugzilla component? To which engineering team does this work now fall? Lawrence ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
This is not the list for this question. Please respect this question to the firefox-dev list. Also I recommend that another way to get traction in this sort of question is to contact the moisture owner, in the case Dave Townsend. --BDS On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:25 AM wrote: > I have not been able to find an owner for the Firefox::New Tab Page > bugzilla component (bug 1346908). There are 35 tests in the tree and > without anyone to assume responsibility for them when they are intermittent > (bug 1338848), I plan to delete them all if I cannot get an owner by the > end of the month including someone who will sign up to be the triage owner > for the bugzilla component. > > Thanks for helping me find owners for tests! > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On 22 March 2017 at 13:49, Ben Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, wrote: > > > Finding someone to own the feature and investigate intermittents is > important too, but that doesn't mean the tests have zero value. > This just strikes me that we are going to disable until they are all gone then we have dead code in the tree and still no one to own it. Its a longer process that could end up at the same end point. David ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM, wrote: > On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 9:35:35 AM UTC-4, Ben Kelly wrote: > > You plan to delete all the tests? This seems somewhat extreme for a > > shipped feature. Why not disable just the tests that are intermittent? > > I agree that does sound extreme, but if nobody cares about the tests or > will accept responsibility if we have failures, then they have no real > value. I assume they have value and this is why I am asking for help to > find someone who cares about the code and will take responsibility for the > feature and related tests. > I don't agree they have no value "if nobody cares about the tests or will accept responsibility if we have failures". If someone changes something in platform and these tests turn perma-red, that person has to fix their code. This is how we prevent regressions. Finding someone to own the feature and investigate intermittents is important too, but that doesn't mean the tests have zero value. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 9:35:35 AM UTC-4, Ben Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:22 AM, wrote: > > > I have not been able to find an owner for the Firefox::New Tab Page > > bugzilla component (bug 1346908). There are 35 tests in the tree and > > without anyone to assume responsibility for them when they are intermittent > > (bug 1338848), I plan to delete them all if I cannot get an owner by the > > end of the month including someone who will sign up to be the triage owner > > for the bugzilla component. > > > > You plan to delete all the tests? This seems somewhat extreme for a > shipped feature. Why not disable just the tests that are intermittent? I agree that does sound extreme, but if nobody cares about the tests or will accept responsibility if we have failures, then they have no real value. I assume they have value and this is why I am asking for help to find someone who cares about the code and will take responsibility for the feature and related tests. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: unowned module: Firefox::New Tab Page, help me find an owner
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:22 AM, wrote: > I have not been able to find an owner for the Firefox::New Tab Page > bugzilla component (bug 1346908). There are 35 tests in the tree and > without anyone to assume responsibility for them when they are intermittent > (bug 1338848), I plan to delete them all if I cannot get an owner by the > end of the month including someone who will sign up to be the triage owner > for the bugzilla component. > You plan to delete all the tests? This seems somewhat extreme for a shipped feature. Why not disable just the tests that are intermittent? ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform