Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
On 09/08/16 08:57, Chris Mills wrote: > mach issue > mach complain > mach complaint > mach feedback? (does it have to be negative, necessarily?) mach itbetter ? mach animprovement ? :-) Gerv ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
Yeah, gripe is a bit idiomatic. How about mach issue mach complain mach complaint mach feedback? (does it have to be negative, necessarily?) Chris Mills Senior tech writer || Mozilla developer.mozilla.org || MDN cmi...@mozilla.com || @chrisdavidmills > On 9 Aug 2016, at 01:57, Gregory Szorc wrote: > > I agree: "rage" is a bit aggressive. And as mconnor said on IRC, "rage" can > have an alternate meaning in the brogrammer lexicon. > > Speaking of bikeshedding, I was looking at a thesaurus and one of the > synonyms for "complain" is "yammer." As much as I want to rename it to > `mach yammer`, I think I'll hold off :) > > I think "gripe" conveys the right attitude. My only concern is it may not > be friendly towards those who don't speak English as their primary > language. I think verbs that describes a concrete human (re)action would be > more understood. Something like "groan" or "sigh." > > Anyway, we can continue the bikeshed in bug 1293493. > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Jim Blandy wrote: > >> LOL, but honestly, one of the ways I get myself to treat people better is >> to avoid the whole rage / tableflip / flame vocabulary when thinking about >> what I want to do. Could we publicize this as "mach gripe", and leave >> "rage" as an alias? >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: >> >>> Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks >>> you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You >>> instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water >>> cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. >>> >>> The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad >>> experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to >>> make your work experience better and more productive. >>> >>> If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new >>> mach command: `mach rage`. >>> >>> `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express >>> frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a >>> few simple questions: >>> >>> * Where did you encounter a problem >>> * How severe was it >>> * What was it >>> * (optional) How can we fix it >>> >>> If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ZT >>> COw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform >>> >>> I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of >>> each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain >>> point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. >>> >>> This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd >>> love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or >>> jgrif...@mozilla.com. >>> >>> Happy raging. >>> ___ >>> dev-platform mailing list >>> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >>> >> >> > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
I agree: "rage" is a bit aggressive. And as mconnor said on IRC, "rage" can have an alternate meaning in the brogrammer lexicon. Speaking of bikeshedding, I was looking at a thesaurus and one of the synonyms for "complain" is "yammer." As much as I want to rename it to `mach yammer`, I think I'll hold off :) I think "gripe" conveys the right attitude. My only concern is it may not be friendly towards those who don't speak English as their primary language. I think verbs that describes a concrete human (re)action would be more understood. Something like "groan" or "sigh." Anyway, we can continue the bikeshed in bug 1293493. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Jim Blandy wrote: > LOL, but honestly, one of the ways I get myself to treat people better is > to avoid the whole rage / tableflip / flame vocabulary when thinking about > what I want to do. Could we publicize this as "mach gripe", and leave > "rage" as an alias? > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > >> Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks >> you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You >> instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water >> cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. >> >> The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad >> experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to >> make your work experience better and more productive. >> >> If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new >> mach command: `mach rage`. >> >> `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express >> frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a >> few simple questions: >> >> * Where did you encounter a problem >> * How severe was it >> * What was it >> * (optional) How can we fix it >> >> If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ZT >> COw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform >> >> I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of >> each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain >> point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. >> >> This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd >> love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or >> jgrif...@mozilla.com. >> >> Happy raging. >> ___ >> dev-platform mailing list >> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >> > > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
I sincerely apologize to the list for my careless introduction of a bikeshed debate. I will strive to do better in the future. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Armen Zambrano G. wrote: > I agree with the last suggestion. Words and context matter. > > On 2016-08-08 04:25 PM, Jim Blandy wrote: > >> LOL, but honestly, one of the ways I get myself to treat people better is >> to avoid the whole rage / tableflip / flame vocabulary when thinking about >> what I want to do. Could we publicize this as "mach gripe", and leave >> "rage" as an alias? >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: >> >> Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks >>> you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You >>> instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water >>> cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. >>> >>> The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad >>> experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to >>> make your work experience better and more productive. >>> >>> If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new >>> mach command: `mach rage`. >>> >>> `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express >>> frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a >>> few simple questions: >>> >>> * Where did you encounter a problem >>> * How severe was it >>> * What was it >>> * (optional) How can we fix it >>> >>> If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ >>> ZTCOw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform >>> >>> I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of >>> each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain >>> point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. >>> >>> This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd >>> love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or >>> jgrif...@mozilla.com. >>> >>> Happy raging. >>> ___ >>> dev-platform mailing list >>> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >>> >>> > > -- > Zambrano Gasparnian, Armen > Engineering productivity > http://armenzg.blogspot.ca > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
I agree with the last suggestion. Words and context matter. On 2016-08-08 04:25 PM, Jim Blandy wrote: LOL, but honestly, one of the ways I get myself to treat people better is to avoid the whole rage / tableflip / flame vocabulary when thinking about what I want to do. Could we publicize this as "mach gripe", and leave "rage" as an alias? On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to make your work experience better and more productive. If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new mach command: `mach rage`. `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a few simple questions: * Where did you encounter a problem * How severe was it * What was it * (optional) How can we fix it If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ ZTCOw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or jgrif...@mozilla.com. Happy raging. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform -- Zambrano Gasparnian, Armen Engineering productivity http://armenzg.blogspot.ca ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
LOL, but honestly, one of the ways I get myself to treat people better is to avoid the whole rage / tableflip / flame vocabulary when thinking about what I want to do. Could we publicize this as "mach gripe", and leave "rage" as an alias? On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks > you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You > instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water > cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. > > The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad > experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to > make your work experience better and more productive. > > If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new > mach command: `mach rage`. > > `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express > frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a > few simple questions: > > * Where did you encounter a problem > * How severe was it > * What was it > * (optional) How can we fix it > > If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ > ZTCOw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform > > I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of > each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain > point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. > > This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd > love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or > jgrif...@mozilla.com. > > Happy raging. > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Report your development frustrations via `mach rage`
Sometimes when hacking on Firefox/Gecko you experience something that irks you. But filing a bug isn't appropriate or could be time consuming. You instead vent frustrations on IRC, with others around the figurative water cooler, or - even worse - you don't tell anyone. The Developer Productivity Team would like to know when you have a bad experience hacking on Firefox/Gecko so we can target what to improve to make your work experience better and more productive. If you update to the latest commit on mozilla-central, you'll find a new mach command: `mach rage`. `mach rage` opens a small web form where you can quickly express frustration about anything related to developing Firefox/Gecko. It asks a few simple questions: * Where did you encounter a problem * How severe was it * What was it * (optional) How can we fix it If you don't want to use `mach rage`, just load https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeDVC3IXJu5d33Hp_ZTCOw06xEUiYH1pBjAqJ1g_y63sO2vvA/viewform I encourage developers to vent as many frustrations as possible. Think of each form submission as a vote. The more times we see a particular pain point mentioned, the higher the chances something will be done about it. This form is brand new, so if you have suggestions for improving it, we'd love to hear them. Send feedback to g...@mozilla.com and/or jgrif...@mozilla.com. Happy raging. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
