Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-28 Thread Boris Zbarsky

On 4/28/15 5:23 AM, David Bruant wrote:

Another possibility is for the reporter to make a PR with the test case.


Just stop.  We're talking about making it _easy_ to report issues, yes?

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Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-28 Thread Manish Goregaokar
Migration is a one-time thing, but using a bulkier software, (with plenty
of downsides as listed in the notes) when we already have something that
works, for the half-year to a year (even perhaps more) it takes for us to
scale to a point where we actually need isn't one-time and is the worse
option IMO.


-Manish Goregaokar
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Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-28 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Manish Goregaokar manishsm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 But I think that as long as the glove still fits, we should use it.
 Perhaps reevaluate when we start shipping something (Rust-in-Gecko is
 already being
 tracked on Bugzilla and we' probably should continue with that); but for
 now I don't see much of a reason to migrate, aside from avoiding having to
 migrate
 a larger Servo in the future.


Isn't that a good reason?

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Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-28 Thread Boris Zbarsky

On 4/28/15 10:33 AM, Jack Moffitt wrote:

This is an issue, but hasn't hit us much yet.


Sure.  I assume if it had you would have been dealing with it. ;)


It's easy enough to use the ``` syntax to include arbitrary things
into a bug report. This is how we often attach logs and such. You
can't directly read it from Servo since it's inline in the bug text,
but cut and paste is pretty simple and these are small test cases
right? :)


That fails once you have images involved, unless the reporter converts 
them to data: URIs.  This also fails in various cases that involve 
strings github may not be able to represent (invalid characters, etc). 
I agree that it can work in a lot of cases, of course.



It's also pretty easy to make a gist (gist.github.com) of whatever you
like and link to that from the bug.


Ah, I should look into this more.  That might be enough.

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Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-27 Thread Boris Zbarsky

On 4/27/15 8:38 PM, Josh Matthews wrote:

https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Meeting-2015-04-27


I've mentioned this a few times, but...

For a layout engine, being able to attach an actual testcase to a bug 
report is _really_ useful once you get out of just build it mode and 
into fix all the bugs in this thing you built mode.  Github issues 
simply have no way to do this that I've been able to find.  You can put 
testcases on jsfiddle or other such services, but it's really hard to do 
minimal testcases that way because of all the things those services pull 
in, it's impossible to test some things (e.g. parser issues, quirks 
mode) because there's little control over the markup, and there are 
absolutely no guarantees your testcase will be around in 5 years when 
you want to see what that code change was trying to fix.


This is really a problem I expect you'll want to solve at some point if 
you want to be able to get useful functionality bug reports and 
community QA.


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Re: [dev-servo] Meeting notes 4/27 (Reviewable; blog posts; github/BMO; infra issues; Whistler planning)

2015-04-27 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:

 For a layout engine, being able to attach an actual testcase to a bug
 report is _really_ useful once you get out of just build it mode and into
 fix all the bugs in this thing you built mode.  Github issues simply have
 no way to do this that I've been able to find.  You can put testcases on
 jsfiddle or other such services, but it's really hard to do minimal
 testcases that way because of all the things those services pull in, it's
 impossible to test some things (e.g. parser issues, quirks mode) because
 there's little control over the markup, and there are absolutely no
 guarantees your testcase will be around in 5 years when you want to see
 what that code change was trying to fix.

 This is really a problem I expect you'll want to solve at some point if
 you want to be able to get useful functionality bug reports and community
 QA.


Developers can commit testcases to a github repo and reference them with
github.io URLs, but that's no good for casual (e.g. web-developer level)
bug reporters. So, yes indeed.

Rob
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