upstream dev. asks suggestions about howto make packagers work easier (bundled libraries, etc.)

2016-11-19 Thread Germano Massullo
We often deal with upstream developers that bundle libraries in their
code, so to make a package we have to debundle them, etc.
This time, an upstream dev. asked me what he could do to make easier
the work of packagers.
In this case the software is python-netjsongraph [1] that bundles
javascript-d3 library and that is being reviewd at [2]

I think it would be nice to make a discussion even for non Python
packages, so we can elaborate a sort of vademecum that a packager
could show to upstreams when there is a collaboration between them.

Have a nice day


[1]: https://github.com/interop-dev/django-netjsongraph
[2]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1369213
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upcoming build and release developer flag day December 12 2016

2016-11-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi All,

We are wanting to write to you all about an important date coming up. On the 
12th of December 2016 we will be making some important changes that will 
require changes on every developers machine. In this case developers means 
every one that interacts with koji using authentication

lookaside cache checksum hash. currently packages are stored in lookaside 
cache using md5sum we will be switching to sha256sum. The support for this has 
been in fedpkg for awhile, we have not switched the default as once we do any 
source uploaded with sha256sum will only be able to be verified by a client 
that supports sha256sum. 

koji authentication will be switching to Kerberos. Koji supports multiple 
authentication mechanisms. Fedora infrastructure has set up a freeipa instance 
internally that has credential syncing to fas. We are working on ensuring that 
gssapi caching is supported so that you can have multiple TGT's and the 
ability to work in multiple reams at once. you can get started today by doing 
kinit @FEDORAPROJECT.ORG if you move your ~/.fedora.cert file 
out of the way authentication will still work.

Using well known certs for koji.fedoraproject.org arm.koji.fedoraproject.org 
ppc.koji.fedoraproject.org s390.koji.fedoraproject.org pkgs.fedoraproject.org 
this is the last step needed to have fedoraproject.org switch to hsts and 
default to https:// when connecting to any fedora service. It will also remove 
a lot of questions that new people have when connecting to koji via https.

Disable ssl cert authentication in koji. With the switch to keberos and the 
change of ssl certificates on the koji and pkgs servers we will be disabling 
the ability to login to koji using a ssl certificate completely. This change 
will require new koji client configurations for everyone.

Gate rawhide builds. Gating will enable us to sign rawhide builds and switch 
the rawhide repo to having gpgcheck enabled.

In order to achieve everything we have to break end user configurations. All 
users will need to have new enough versions of fedora-packager, fedpkg, rpkg, 
koji. the exact versions needed are not yet known as some enhancements are 
still being worked on.  We will be aiming to have everything pushed stable 
right before the flag day. Some of the changes will not be compatible with the 
existing setup.  We anticipate keeping everyone informed as we move forward 
about any actions that will need to be taken on the developer side.  there is 
a wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/FlagDay2016 
that will be updated as more is known.

Not in scope at this point is using kerberos for ssh or other apps supported 
by infrastructure, though it is not ruled out going forward.


If you have any questions please respond here or in #fedora-releng on freenode
 
Thanks

Release Engineering and Infrastructure

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[Test-Announce] Fedora 25 Candidate RC-20161119.3 Available Now!

2016-11-19 Thread rawhide
According to the schedule [1], Fedora 25 Candidate RC-20161119.3 is now
available for testing. Please help us complete all the validation
testing! For more information on release validation testing, see:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan

Test coverage information for the current release can be seen at:
https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/25

You can see all results, find testing instructions and image download
locations, and enter results on the Summary page:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Summary

The individual test result pages are:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Installation
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Base
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Server
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Cloud
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Desktop
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_RC_20161119.3_Security_Lab

All RC priority test cases for each of these test pages [2] must
pass in order to meet the RC Release Criteria [3].

Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the
test list [5].

Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs:
http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current

[1] http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-quality-tasks.html
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_RC_Release_Criteria
[4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa
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Re: protobuf 3.1.0 coming to rawhide

2016-11-19 Thread Orion Poplawski

On 11/18/2016 02:12 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:

protobuf 3.1.0 is currently building.  When the arm build finally completes
I'll start rebuilding the dependent packages.


Rebuilds are mostly done (waiting for arm), with some failures:

clementine - moc-qt4 is choking on glib header
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1396755

dmlite - fails with openssl 1.1.0
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1396752

fawkes - fails with openssl 1.1.0
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392129

gazebo - couple non-protobuf related issues - 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1396676


libcompiz - circular dep with compiz - maintainer has been notified.

mesos - really needs be updated to 1.1.0 - taking a look.

paraview - This appears to be an issue with protobuf 3.1.0
https://gitlab.kitware.com/paraview/paraview/issues/17029

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Re: dnf skipping updates in koji

2016-11-19 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Nov 19, 2016 7:26 PM, "Dan Horák"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:16:17 -0700
> Orion Poplawski  wrote:
>
> > I just noticed this in a root.log for a koji rawhide build that
> > didn't error out doing the install:
>
> afaik these are weak dependencies, that are not installed (by policy),
> dnf 2.0 reports them without the confusing "conflicts"
Not the dnf-conf.

I would recommend add to mock those 2 options.
>
>
> Dan
>
> > DEBUG util.py:421:  Skipping packages with conflicts:
> > DEBUG util.py:421:  (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to
> > force their upgrade):
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   acl  x86_64
> > 2.2.52-11.fc24 build   75 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   bash-completion  noarch
> > 1:2.4-1.fc26 build  268 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   compat-openssl10 x86_64
> > 1:1.0.2j-5.fc26  build  1.1 M
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   cracklib-dicts   x86_64
> > 2.9.6-3.fc25 build  3.9 M
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus x86_64
> > 1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  245 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus-libsx86_64
> > 1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  172 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   deltarpm x86_64  3.6-17.fc25
> >build   88 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-conf noarch
> > 2.0.0-0.rc1.4.fc26   build   41 k
> > DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-plugins-core noarch
> > 1.0.0-0.rc1.1.fc26   build   38 k
> > 
> >
> >
> > This doesn't seem right to me.
> >
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=16531079
> >
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Re: dnf skipping updates in koji

2016-11-19 Thread Dan Horák
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:16:17 -0700
Orion Poplawski  wrote:

> I just noticed this in a root.log for a koji rawhide build that
> didn't error out doing the install:

afaik these are weak dependencies, that are not installed (by policy),
dnf 2.0 reports them without the confusing "conflicts"


Dan

> DEBUG util.py:421:  Skipping packages with conflicts:
> DEBUG util.py:421:  (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to 
> force their upgrade):
> DEBUG util.py:421:   acl  x86_64
> 2.2.52-11.fc24 build   75 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   bash-completion  noarch
> 1:2.4-1.fc26 build  268 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   compat-openssl10 x86_64 
> 1:1.0.2j-5.fc26  build  1.1 M
> DEBUG util.py:421:   cracklib-dicts   x86_64
> 2.9.6-3.fc25 build  3.9 M
> DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus x86_64 
> 1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  245 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus-libsx86_64 
> 1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  172 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   deltarpm x86_64  3.6-17.fc25 
>build   88 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-conf noarch 
> 2.0.0-0.rc1.4.fc26   build   41 k
> DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-plugins-core noarch 
> 1.0.0-0.rc1.1.fc26   build   38 k
> 
> 
> 
> This doesn't seem right to me.
> 
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=16531079
> 
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dnf skipping updates in koji

2016-11-19 Thread Orion Poplawski
I just noticed this in a root.log for a koji rawhide build that didn't 
error out doing the install:


DEBUG util.py:421:  Skipping packages with conflicts:
DEBUG util.py:421:  (add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to 
force their upgrade):
DEBUG util.py:421:   acl  x86_64  2.2.52-11.fc24 
  build   75 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   bash-completion  noarch  1:2.4-1.fc26 
  build  268 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   compat-openssl10 x86_64 
1:1.0.2j-5.fc26  build  1.1 M
DEBUG util.py:421:   cracklib-dicts   x86_64  2.9.6-3.fc25 
  build  3.9 M
DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus x86_64 
1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  245 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   dbus-libsx86_64 
1:1.11.6-1.fc26  build  172 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   deltarpm x86_64  3.6-17.fc25 
  build   88 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-conf noarch 
2.0.0-0.rc1.4.fc26   build   41 k
DEBUG util.py:421:   dnf-plugins-core noarch 
1.0.0-0.rc1.1.fc26   build   38 k




This doesn't seem right to me.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=16531079

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Fedora Rawhide-20161119.n.0 compose check report

2016-11-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images:

Cloud_base qcow2 x86_64
Atomic qcow2 x86_64
Workstation live i386
Kde live x86_64
Cloud_base raw-xz x86_64
Atomic raw-xz x86_64
Workstation live x86_64
Kde live i386

Failed openQA tests: 56/79 (x86_64), 14/15 (i386), 1/2 (arm)

ID: 49119   Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49119
ID: 49120   Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49120
ID: 49121   Test: i386 Everything-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49121
ID: 49122   Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49122
ID: 49123   Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49123
ID: 49124   Test: i386 Workstation-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49124
ID: 49125   Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49125
ID: 49127   Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49127
ID: 49128   Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49128
ID: 49129   Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49129
ID: 49130   Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49130
ID: 49136   Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_repository_nfs_variation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49136
ID: 49137   Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_repository_nfs_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49137
ID: 49146   Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_updates_nfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49146
ID: 49148   Test: i386 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49148
ID: 49149   Test: i386 Server-dvd-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49149
ID: 49150   Test: x86_64 universal install_package_set_minimal
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49150
ID: 49151   Test: x86_64 universal install_anaconda_text
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49151
ID: 49153   Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_variation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49153
ID: 49154   Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49154
ID: 49155   Test: x86_64 universal install_mirrorlist_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49155
ID: 49156   Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49156
ID: 49157   Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49157
ID: 49158   Test: x86_64 universal install_kickstart_user_creation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49158
ID: 49159   Test: x86_64 universal install_scsi_updates_img
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49159
ID: 49160   Test: x86_64 universal install_multi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49160
ID: 49161   Test: x86_64 universal install_multi@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49161
ID: 49162   Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_encrypted
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49162
ID: 49163   Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_free_space
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49163
ID: 49164   Test: x86_64 universal install_multi_empty
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49164
ID: 49165   Test: x86_64 universal install_software_raid
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49165
ID: 49166   Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_partial
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49166
ID: 49167   Test: x86_64 universal install_btrfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49167
ID: 49168   Test: x86_64 universal install_ext3
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49168
ID: 49169   Test: x86_64 universal install_xfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49169
ID: 49170   Test: x86_64 universal install_lvmthin
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49170
ID: 49171   Test: x86_64 universal install_no_swap
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49171
ID: 49172   Test: x86_64 universal install_iscsi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49172
ID: 49173   Test: x86_64 universal install_package_set_kde
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49173
ID: 49174   Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_encrypted@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49174
ID: 49175   Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_free_space@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/49175
ID: 49176   Test: x86_64 universal install_multi_empty@uefi
URL: http

Re: Regression: FileManager1 D-Bus service mix-up in F25 when multiple DEs are installed

2016-11-19 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
> Though $SUBJECT says Regression, this is not a new/recent problem.

Technically true, but up to F24, the only time a user would see the
"wrong" file manager was when they might access the File→Open/Save
dialog in Firefox and a few more programs. A GNOME user would never
get anything unexpected, other than a couple of KDE utilities that
began popping up at log-in, sometime before the release of F24 (if I
recall correctly).
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Fedora rawhide compose report: 20161119.n.0 changes

2016-11-19 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20161118.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20161119.n.0

= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images:  0
Added packages:  4
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages:   56
Downgraded packages: 0

Size of added packages:  1.70 MiB
Size of dropped packages:0.00 B
Size of upgraded packages:   1.61 GiB
Size of downgraded packages: 0.00 B

Size change of upgraded packages:   1.13 MiB
Size change of downgraded packages: 0.00 B

= ADDED IMAGES =

= DROPPED IMAGES =

= ADDED PACKAGES =
Package: clevis-2-1.fc26
Summary: Automated decryption framework
RPMs:clevis clevis-dracut clevis-luks clevis-udisks2
Size:495248 bytes

Package: electrum-2.7.12-4.fc26
Summary: A lightweight Bitcoin Client
RPMs:electrum
Size:1173038 bytes

Package: modulemd-1.0.2-1.fc26
Summary: Module metadata manipulation library
RPMs:python2-modulemd python3-modulemd
Size:84680 bytes

Package: perl-NNTPClient-0.37-1.fc26
Summary: Perl 5 module to talk to NNTP (RFC977) server
RPMs:perl-NNTPClient
Size:29926 bytes


= DROPPED PACKAGES =

= UPGRADED PACKAGES =
Package:  breeze-icon-theme-5.27.0-2.fc26
Old package:  breeze-icon-theme-5.27.0-1.fc26
Summary:  Breeze icon theme
RPMs: breeze-icon-theme
Size: 4175174 bytes
Size change:  -136 bytes
Changelog:
  * Fri Nov 18 2016 Rex Dieter  - 5.27.0-2
  - Breeze Dark is listed as Breeze in System Settings (kde#370213)


Package:  cpuid-20161114-2.fc26
Old package:  cpuid-20161114-1.fc26
Summary:  Dumps information about the CPU(s)
RPMs: cpuid
Size: 189556 bytes
Size change:  224 bytes
Changelog:
  * Fri Nov 18 2016 Fabian Affolter  - 20161114-2
  - Update license is now GPLv2+ and no longer MIT


Package:  felix-bundlerepository-2.0.8-1.fc26
Old package:  felix-bundlerepository-1.6.6-20.fc25
Summary:  Bundle repository service
RPMs: felix-bundlerepository felix-bundlerepository-javadoc
Size: 260212 bytes
Size change:  50720 bytes
Changelog:
  * Wed Oct 05 2016 Michael Simacek  - 2.0.8-1
  - Update to upstream version 2.0.8


Package:  gnudos-1.10-1.fc26
Old package:  gnudos-1.9-1.fc26
Summary:  The GnuDOS library for GNU/Linux
RPMs: gnudos gnudos-devel
Size: 1477200 bytes
Size change:  -6528 bytes
Changelog:
  * Fri Nov 18 2016 Mohammed Isam  1.10-1
  - Bug fixes in mino


Package:  gtk-sharp2-2.12.42-1.fc26
Old package:  gtk-sharp2-2.12.26-4.fc26
Summary:  GTK+ and GNOME bindings for Mono
RPMs: gtk-sharp2 gtk-sharp2-devel gtk-sharp2-doc gtk-sharp2-gapi
Size: 20658896 bytes
Size change:  125044 bytes
Changelog:
  * Thu Nov 17 2016 Timotheus Pokorra  - 
2.12.42-1
  - Update to 2.12.42


Package:  guacamole-client-0.9.8-4.fc26
Old package:  guacamole-client-0.9.8-3.fc25
Summary:  Server-side Java components that form the Guacamole application
RPMs: guacamole guacamole-javadoc
Size: 1901504 bytes
Size change:  2032 bytes
Changelog:
  * Fri Nov 18 2016 gil cattaneo  0.9.8-4
  - replace deprecated goal of maven-assembly-plugin


Package:  guayadeque-0.4.3-0.1.beta1gitaf526c9.fc26
Old package:  guayadeque-0.4.1-0.17.beta1git8706c86.fc26
Summary:  Music player
RPMs: guayadeque guayadeque-langpack-bg guayadeque-langpack-ca_ES 
guayadeque-langpack-cs guayadeque-langpack-de guayadeque-langpack-el 
guayadeque-langpack-es guayadeque-langpack-fr guayadeque-langpack-hr 
guayadeque-langpack-hu guayadeque-langpack-is guayadeque-langpack-it 
guayadeque-langpack-ja guayadeque-langpack-nb guayadeque-langpack-nl 
guayadeque-langpack-pl guayadeque-langpack-pt guayadeque-langpack-pt_BR 
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Re: Regression: FileManager1 D-Bus service mix-up in F25 when multiple DEs are installed

2016-11-19 Thread Rex Dieter
Alexander Ploumistos wrote:

> TL;DR: There is a conflict when a user opts to install more than one
> desktop environments that come with a FileManager1 (and probably any
> other identical) D-Bus service provider

Though $SUBJECT says Regression, this is not a new/recent problem.

-- Rex
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Re: Recommended upgrade procedure for >1 release upgrades

2016-11-19 Thread Ms Sanchez



On 19/11/16 08:56, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Adam Williamson wrote:

I think I've proposed at least once that we make Obsoletes: for retired
packages mandatory. My last proposal currently seems to be assigned to
tibbs.

IMHO, forcefully removing packages that still work is a major disservice to
our users and should never be done.

 Kevin Kofler
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I agree with this.  Ubuntu did that when I used it every time I tried to 
upgrade and I hated it.  I don't think we should follow that behaviour.


Cheers,
Sylvia


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