fedpkg new-sources broken?

2017-07-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius

Hi,


I seem to be unable to upload a new tarball for freefem++:

$ fedpkg new-sources freefem++-3.56.tar.gz
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/fedora/client/bodhi.py:48: 
DeprecationWarning: fedora.client.bodhi has been deprecated. Please use 
bodhi.client.bindings instead.

  DeprecationWarning)
Uploading: freefem++-3.56.tar.gz
 
100.0%
Could not execute new_sources: Fail to upload files. Server returns 
status 502



Any ideas about what is going on here?

Ralf
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Re: ENOTIME

2017-07-21 Thread Antonio Trande


On 07/20/2017 05:04 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> My workload at $dayjob$ has increased significantly so I'm afraid I have much
> less time to devote to packaging work.  Now more than ever I could use help
> maintaining my packages (listed below).  If you are interested, please add
> yourself as co-maintainers in pkgdb.  Thanks!
> 
>  rpms/BareBonesBrowserLaunch -- Simple library to launch a browser window from
> Java ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/GMT -- Generic Mapping Tools ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/GMT-coastlines -- Coastline data for GMT ( el6 )
> rpms/Lmod -- Environmental Modules System in Lua ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 
> el6 )
> rpms/Mayavi -- Scientific data 3-dimensional visualizer ( master f26 f25 f24
> epel7 el6 )
> rpms/MySQL-zrm -- MySQL backup manager ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/StarCluster -- Tool for managing computing clusters hosted on Amazon's
> EC2 ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/TeXmacs -- Structured WYSIWYG scientific text editor ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/abi-compliance-checker -- An ABI Compliance Checker ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/abi-dumper -- Tool to dump ABI of an ELF object containing DWARF debug
> info ( el6 )
> rpms/agg -- Anti-Grain Geometry graphical rendering engine ( el6 )
> rpms/ant-antunit -- Provide antunit ant task ( el6 )
> rpms/asm2 -- A code manipulation tool to implement adaptable systems ( el6 )
> rpms/ast -- A Library for Handling World Coordinate Systems in Astronomy (
> master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/bes -- Back-end server software framework for OPeNDAP ( master f26 f25 
> f24 )
> rpms/cargo-parent -- Parent pom file for cargo.codehaus.org project ( master
> f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/ccache -- C/C++ compiler cache ( epel7 )
> rpms/cmake -- Cross-platform make system ( master f26 f25 f24 )
> rpms/cobbler -- Boot server configurator ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/codehaus-parent -- Parent pom file for codehaus projects ( master f26 f25
> f24 el6 )
> rpms/cube -- CUBE Uniform Behavioral Encoding generic presentation component (
> master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/cups-x2go -- CUPS backend for printing from X2Go ( master f26 f25 f24
> epel7 el6 )
> rpms/dcw-gmt -- Digital Chart of the World (DCW) for GMT ( master f26 f25 f24
> epel7 )
> rpms/dyninst -- An API for Run-time Code Generation ( el6 )
> rpms/eclipse-photran -- Fortran Development Tools (Photran) for Eclipse (
> master f26 f25 f24 )
> rpms/eclipse-ptp -- Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform ( master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/elfio -- C++ library for reading and generating ELF files ( master f26
> f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/environment-modules -- Provides dynamic modification of a user's
> environment ( master f26 f25 f24 )
> rpms/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr -- Drivers for Epson inkjet printers ( epel7 
> el6 )
> rpms/fail2ban -- Daemon to ban hosts that cause multiple authentication errors
> ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/filelight -- Graphical disk usage statistics ( epel7 )
> rpms/fontbox -- Java library for working with PDF fonts ( el6 )
> rpms/ftnchek -- Static analyzer for Fortran 77 programs ( master f26 f25 f24 
> el6 )
> rpms/g2clib -- GRIB2 encoder/decoder and search/indexing routines in C (
> master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/gdl -- GNU Data Language ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/gifsicle -- Powerful program for manipulating GIF images and animations (
> master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/glew -- The OpenGL Extension Wrangler Library ( el6 )
> rpms/grib_api -- WMO FM-92 GRIB (v1,v2) interface accessible from C and
> FORTRAN programs ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/gridengine -- Grid Engine - Distributed Computing Management software (
> master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/gshhg-gmt-nc4 -- Global Self-consistent Hierarchical High-resolution
> Geography (GSHHG) ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 )
> rpms/guessencoding -- Guess encoding of files and return configured reader (
> master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/gv -- A X front-end for the Ghostscript PostScript(TM) interpreter (
> master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/hdf -- A general purpose library and file format for storing scientific
> data ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/hdf5 -- A general purpose library and file format for storing scientific
> data ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )
> rpms/irrlicht -- A high performance realtime 3D engine ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/itcl -- Object oriented extensions to Tcl and Tk ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/itk -- Object oriented extensions to Tk ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/iwidgets -- A set of useful widgets based on itcl and itk ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/java-sleep -- Multi-paradigm scripting language for Java ( master f26 f25
> f24 el6 )
> rpms/javatar -- Java tar archive io package ( master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/jempbox -- Java library for working with XMP metadata ( el6 )
> rpms/jilter -- Sendmail milter protocol for Java ( master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/kdesvn -- subversion client for KDE ( master f26 f25 f24 el6 )
> rpms/kio_mtp -- An MTP KIO slave for KDE ( epel7 )
> 

Re: fedpkg new-sources broken?

2017-07-21 Thread Patrick マルタインアンドレアス Uiterwijk
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I seem to be unable to upload a new tarball for freefem++:
> 
> $ fedpkg new-sources freefem++-3.56.tar.gz
> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/fedora/client/bodhi.py:48: 
> DeprecationWarning: fedora.client.bodhi has been deprecated. Please use 
> bodhi.client.bindings instead.
>DeprecationWarning)
> Uploading: freefem++-3.56.tar.gz
>  
> 100.0%
> Could not execute new_sources: Fail to upload files. Server returns 
> status 502
> 
> 
> Any ideas about what is going on here?

We were testing a fix for the double-upload.

Could you let us know what versions you have of: fedora-packager fedpkg curl 
python2-pycurl libcurl.
Also, please retry now, as we have reverted the server-side change that likely 
made you hit this.

> 
> Ralf

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Re: fedpkg new-sources broken?

2017-07-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 07/21/2017 11:09 AM, Patrick  マルタインアンドレアス  Uiterwijk wrote:

Hi,


I seem to be unable to upload a new tarball for freefem++:

$ fedpkg new-sources freefem++-3.56.tar.gz
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/fedora/client/bodhi.py:48:
DeprecationWarning: fedora.client.bodhi has been deprecated. Please use
bodhi.client.bindings instead.
DeprecationWarning)
Uploading: freefem++-3.56.tar.gz

100.0%
Could not execute new_sources: Fail to upload files. Server returns
status 502


Any ideas about what is going on here?


We were testing a fix for the double-upload.

Could you let us know what versions you have of: fedora-packager fedpkg curl 
python2-pycurl libcurl.


This should be F26 with all "released updates" applied.

# rpm -q fedora-packager fedpkg curl python2-pycurl libcurl
fedora-packager-0.6.0.1-2.fc26.noarch
fedpkg-1.28-1.fc26.noarch
curl-7.53.1-7.fc26.x86_64
python2-pycurl-7.43.0-8.fc26.x86_64
libcurl-7.53.1-7.fc26.x86_64


Also, please retry now, as we have reverted the server-side change that likely 
made you hit this.
OK, I see. The double-uploads now seem to be back, however "fedpkg 
new-sources" appears to be functional, now ;)


Ralf
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Re: Approved packages that never get imported?

2017-07-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 01:09:06PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:40:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> 
> > > > these packages (https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jonludlam/opam/)
> > > > about a year ago and never heard back, so... technically I guess I
> > > > could proceed with the non-responsive maintainer policy. But is that
> > > > the right thing to do?  
> > > 
> > > If he wasn't sponsored, then he couldn't have requested the package
> > > repository to be created in Fedora git, so technically I think you (or
> > > anyone else) could open another review request, have it approved and
> > > import the package themselves.  
> > 
> > Well, this package has been approved, and it could be useful so I
> > don't mind importing it myself.  I think the fact the review was done
> > 2 years ago shouldn't matter much as the OCaml packaging guidelines
> > haven't changed significantly.
> > 
> > Unless anyone objects I'll import it when I get to it in the current
> > OCaml rebuild (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/6906).
> 
> The ticket blocks FE-NEEDSPONSOR. No idea why you've approved the review
> officially, setting the fedora-review+ flag without being able to
> sponsor the new contributor. That has removed the ticket from the tracker
> list: http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEEDSPONSOR.html
> 
> You could have become a sponsor a long time ago, if you wanted to
> guide new packagers into the project.

I'm sponsoring a dozen people already (more than that I think).

The reason I didn't sponsor this one is because I'm at the maximum I
can reasonably sponsor.

Rich.

> While any reviewer may post reviews these days and take over a lot of
> work that way, that doesn't work if there is no sponsor to complete
> the process. And most of the existing sponsors face the typical problem
> that they don't feel like sponsoring a complete stranger, who dumps
> a single src.rpm into bugzilla without demonstrating interest in becoming
> the Fedora maintainer of the package.
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Import of key(s) didn't help, wrong key(s)? (was: Re: kernel 4.13 rawhide)

2017-07-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 03:29:59PM +0200, Dominik Kucher wrote:
> If i try to update my rawhide test engine i get a gpg key error at
> kernel 4.13
> "Importing the key has not helped, wrong key?"

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1469600

Rich.

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Re: ENOTIME

2017-07-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 09:04:52AM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> rpms/ocaml-cairo -- OCaml library for accessing cairo graphics ( epel7 el6 )
> rpms/ocaml-camlidl -- Stub code generator and COM binding for Objective Caml 
> ( el6 )

I'm already co-maintainer on both of these so they should be fine.

Rich.

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Re: Koschei and arch_override

2017-07-21 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 07/20/2017 01:45 PM, Pavel Zhukov wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I've receive few emails builds 'Package started to fail in Fedora
> rawhide' recently. The reason of this is koschei uses arch_override to 
> 'x86_64 i686 aarch64 ppc64'

This should be fixed now.

> Example [1]. Documentation [2] says it can be changed but I don't see
> such option in the UI.
> I had to disable i686 builds due to bug in GCC and the fact it's not
> primary architecture anymore .
> How can I change arch_override per package if it's possible? Koschei
> helps a lot with monitoring of FTBFS cases and I'd prefer to keep it 
> enabled...
> 
> [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=20586803
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koschei#Setting_arch_override
> 

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Re: ENOTIME

2017-07-21 Thread Jos de Kloe
Hi Orion,

I would be interested in being co-maintainer for these two:

> rpms/g2clib -- GRIB2 encoder/decoder and search/indexing routines in
> C ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )> rpms/grib_api -- WMO FM-92 
> GRIB (v1,v2) interface accessible from C
> and FORTRAN programs ( epel7 el6 )
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[HEADS UP] Retirement of pygpgme is coming

2017-07-21 Thread Igor Gnatenko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hello,

pygpgme is dead since 2013, I've wrote and applied some patches to make
it to work with latest gnupg2/gpgme stack, but since March it FTBFS (so
I added `|| :` for tests). I'm planning to retire pygpgme from F27
right before branching. So just sending email to tell this to everyone.

Affected packages
* alot[0]
* epylog[1] (no response since March)
* fedora-business-cards[2] (no response since March)
* sigul-server[3] (puietrwijk responded on June, but no progress so
far)
* yum (I can't really find BZ ticket, but I'm in contact with yum
maintainers/upstream to deal with this problem)

For those who care about EL, gpgme might get updated[4] soon, but I
can't guarantee anything.


[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1473647
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1433369
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1433370
[3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1433367
[4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1412310
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Re: [HEADS UP] Retirement of pygpgme is coming

2017-07-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Igor Gnatenko
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Hello,
>
> pygpgme is dead since 2013, I've wrote and applied some patches to make
> it to work with latest gnupg2/gpgme stack, but since March it FTBFS (so
> I added `|| :` for tests). I'm planning to retire pygpgme from F27
> right before branching. So just sending email to tell this to everyone.
>
> Affected packages
> * alot[0]
> * epylog[1] (no response since March)
> * fedora-business-cards[2] (no response since March)
> * sigul-server[3] (puietrwijk responded on June, but no progress so
> far)
> * yum (I can't really find BZ ticket, but I'm in contact with yum
> maintainers/upstream to deal with this problem)
>
> For those who care about EL, gpgme might get updated[4] soon, but I
> can't guarantee anything.

librepo is also affected, as it uses pygpgme in the Python bindings.
That needs to be ported too.

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Re: [HEADS UP] Retirement of pygpgme is coming

2017-07-21 Thread Alexander Bokovoy

On pe, 21 heinä 2017, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Igor Gnatenko
 wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hello,

pygpgme is dead since 2013, I've wrote and applied some patches to make
it to work with latest gnupg2/gpgme stack, but since March it FTBFS (so
I added `|| :` for tests). I'm planning to retire pygpgme from F27
right before branching. So just sending email to tell this to everyone.

Affected packages
* alot[0]
* epylog[1] (no response since March)
* fedora-business-cards[2] (no response since March)
* sigul-server[3] (puietrwijk responded on June, but no progress so
far)
* yum (I can't really find BZ ticket, but I'm in contact with yum
maintainers/upstream to deal with this problem)

For those who care about EL, gpgme might get updated[4] soon, but I
can't guarantee anything.


librepo is also affected, as it uses pygpgme in the Python bindings.
That needs to be ported too.

Samba AD is affected as well as we use both gpgme and python2-pygpgme.
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Reminder: Fedora 24 End Of Life on 2017-Aug-08

2017-07-21 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Fedora 24 support is going to be EOL on Tuesday, August 08th, 2017.
At this day we are going to close all the Fedora 24 bugs which will
remain open [1].
You have last few weeks to submit  your updates to the Fedora 24, if
you have any, before the Fedora 24 release becomes unsupported.

[1] 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/HouseKeeping/Fedora26#Fedora_24_EOL_Closure

Jaroslav
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Schedule for Today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21)

2017-07-21 Thread Adam Miller
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-07-21 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found at:
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1741 - F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks
.fesco 1741
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1741

= New business =

#topic #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
.fesco 1736
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736

#topic #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27
release date or we drop i686 kernel from F28
.fesco 1737
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737

#topic #1748 - F27 System Wide Change: No More i686 Kernels
.fesco 1748
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1748

#topic #1743 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS Default File Format SQL
.fesco 1743
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1743

#topic #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation
.fesco 1744
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1744

#topic #1745 - F27 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
.fesco 1745
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745

#topic #1746 - F27 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy
.fesco 1746
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1746

#topic #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14
.fesco 1747
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747

#topic #1749 - F27 Self Contained Change: VirtualBox Guest Integration
.fesco 1749
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1749

#topic #1750 - Decide if EOL is one month after release, four weeks,
or something else
.fesco 1750
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1750

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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Re: ENOTIME

2017-07-21 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 07/21/2017 02:57 AM, Antonio Trande wrote:
> 
>>
> 
> Request access to hdf,hdf5,paraview.
>

Thanks, granted.  Be aware that there is no updating hdf5 versions in stable
releases.

- Orion

PS - It's nice to trim quoted messages in replies.


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Re: ENOTIME

2017-07-21 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 07/21/2017 04:53 AM, Jos de Kloe wrote:
> Hi Orion,
> 
> I would be interested in being co-maintainer for these two:
> 
>> rpms/g2clib -- GRIB2 encoder/decoder and search/indexing routines in
>> C ( master f26 f25 f24 epel7 el6 )> rpms/grib_api -- WMO FM-92 
>> GRIB (v1,v2) interface accessible from C
>> and FORTRAN programs ( epel7 el6 )
> Jos de Kloe

Sure.  request access and I'll approve it.


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Re: Schedule for Today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21)

2017-07-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Adam Miller
 wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.

I'll have to send regrets unfortunately.  I was away from work this
week and have a ton of catch up to do today.  I'll try and comment in
the tickets before the meeting.

josh
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Updating gsl to 2.4 in Rawhide on Monday

2017-07-21 Thread Arthur Mello

Hi,

I will be updating gsl to 2.4 in Rawhide on Monday and will be 
rebuilding dependent packages.

You can check bugzilla[0] for some tracking info.

[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463022

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21)

2017-07-21 Thread Adam Miller
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Adam Miller
 wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
>   date -d '2017-07-21 16:00 UTC'
>
>
> Links to all issues below can be found at:
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> = Followups =
>
> #topic #1741 - F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks
> .fesco 1741
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1741
>
> = New business =
>
> #topic #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
> .fesco 1736
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736
>
> #topic #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27
> release date or we drop i686 kernel from F28
> .fesco 1737
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737
>
> #topic #1748 - F27 System Wide Change: No More i686 Kernels
> .fesco 1748
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1748
>
> #topic #1743 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS Default File Format SQL
> .fesco 1743
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1743
>
> #topic #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation
> .fesco 1744
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1744
>
> #topic #1745 - F27 System Wide Change: Switch OpenLDAP from NSS to OpenSSL
> .fesco 1745
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1745
>
> #topic #1746 - F27 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy
> .fesco 1746
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1746
>
> #topic #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14
> .fesco 1747
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747
>
> #topic #1749 - F27 Self Contained Change: VirtualBox Guest Integration
> .fesco 1749
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1749
>
> #topic #1750 - Decide if EOL is one month after release, four weeks,
> or something else
> .fesco 1750
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1750
>
> = Open Floor =
>
> For more complete details, please visit each individual
> issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
> reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
> https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it
> up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
> that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2017-07-21)
===


Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:04 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-07-21/fesco.2017-07-21-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (maxamillion, 16:00:07)

* Follow Ups  (maxamillion, 16:04:04)

* #1741 - F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks
  (maxamillion, 16:04:04)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1741   (maxamillion, 16:04:10)
  * LINK:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ABWHDCTSPNCMOJYYTT4UZ3HCWVGCNLSR/
(jforbes, 16:11:21)
  * AGREED: - APPROVED: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications
as Flatpaks (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0) (Includes a +1 in ticket from absense
FESCo member)  (maxamillion, 16:34:38)

* New Business  (maxamillion, 16:34:50)

* #1736 - Don't automatically close security bugs on Fedora EOL
  (maxamillion, 16:34:50)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1736   (maxamillion, 16:34:51)
  * AGREED: wait another week, ask for input from program manager and
what work needs to be done with EOL scripts (+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)
(maxamillion, 16:46:27)

* #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
  or we drop i686 kernel from F28  (maxamillion, 16:46:42)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737   (maxamillion, 16:46:47)

* #1748 - F27 System Wide Change: No More i686 Kernels  (maxamillion,
  16:46:52)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1748   (maxamillion, 16:46:53)

* #1737 - Proposal: i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date
  or we drop i686 kernel from F28  (maxamillion, 16:49:18)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737   (maxamillion, 16:49:23)
  * AGREED: Proposal: Request criteria for what a "functional SIG" means
in a measurable way (+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)  (maxamillion, 17:02:57)

* #1748 - F27 System Wide Change: No More i686 Kernels  (maxamillion,
  17:03:11)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1748   (maxamillion, 17:03:12)
  * AGREED: Proposal: postpone #1748 to F28 pending the outcome of #1737
(+1:5, +0:0, -1:0)  (maxamillion, 17:08:01)

* #1743 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS Default File Format SQL
  (maxamillion, 17:08:12)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1743   (maxamillion, 17:08:12)
  * AGREED: F27 System Wide Change: NSS Default File Format SQL (+1:5,
+0:0, -1:0)  (maxamillion, 17:15:22)

* #1744 - F27 System Wide Change: NSS signtool deprecation
  (maxamillion, 17:15:40)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/f

RPM 4.14 NDB again (was: Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21))

2017-07-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 04:50:49PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> * #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14  (maxamillion, 17:42:18)
>   * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747   (maxamillion, 17:42:18)
>   * AGREED: APPROVED: F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14 (+1:5, +0:0,
> -1:0) (Including a +1 vote from the ticket)  (maxamillion, 17:52:45)

Approving the hacked up "new database" ignored a whole load of
negative commentary on the devel@-list discussion.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/2SX3LXSUQE2657IQAX63A6YVP6P76LC3/#UC6UNIMXPGQMRZVN6F6WQQLYWQKQQMLB

I would like to request that NDB is NOT enabled in this change.

Rich.

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Re: RPM 4.14 NDB again (was: Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21))

2017-07-21 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 21 July 2017 at 23:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 04:50:49PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
> > * #1747 - F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14  (maxamillion, 17:42:18)
> >   * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1747   (maxamillion, 17:42:18)
> >   * AGREED: APPROVED: F27 System Wide Change: RPM 4.14 (+1:5, +0:0,
> > -1:0) (Including a +1 vote from the ticket)  (maxamillion, 17:52:45)
> 
> Approving the hacked up "new database" ignored a whole load of
> negative commentary on the devel@-list discussion.
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/2SX3LXSUQE2657IQAX63A6YVP6P76LC3/#UC6UNIMXPGQMRZVN6F6WQQLYWQKQQMLB
> 
> I would like to request that NDB is NOT enabled in this change.

Please read the change proposal again, the new DB format will not be
made the default, though you can enable it yourself if you choose to:

* Users will be able to test tech-preview version of ndb (by changing
  _db_backend to ndb and running rpmbuild --rebuild)

Regards,
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-21 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "OT" == Owen Taylor  writes:

OT> The issue with this is that nobody has yet figured out how to handle
OT> OSTree repositories within the Fedora mirror infrastructure. While
OT> OSTree repositories can be mirrored efficiently, they can't be
OT> mirrored efficiently by rsync.

Is the problem simply quantity of files?  Because I have been doing work
related to that in the form of https://pagure.io/quick-fedora-mirror and
it's worked pretty well so far.

If the problem is simply the volume of churn or something else, then
that's a separate problem which may or may not be alleviated by
quick-fedora-mirror.  But I recall that ostree stuff was moved out of
the main repository mostly due to the huge file count.

 - J<
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Re: Approved packages that never get imported?

2017-07-21 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "MS" == Michael Schwendt  writes:

MS> The ticket blocks FE-NEEDSPONSOR. No idea why you've approved the
MS> review officially, setting the fedora-review+ flag without being
MS> able to sponsor the new contributor.

Because that is perfectly acceptable.  It is not required for a sponsor
to do a package review for a person who is not a packager.

This may end up with people with an approved package and no ability to
work on it, but we have a procedure for dealing with that.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#Get_Sponsored
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group

If the person had their approved package and still didn't get a sponsor
even after filing a ticket with the sponsors' ticket tracker then we
truly did drop the ball.  But I don't think that actually happened in
this case.

 - J<
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-21 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>
> Richard Hughes wrote:
>> Sure they can. If you install the KDE runtime and the GNOME runtime,
>> these are both built upon the Freedesktop runtime and share a huge
>> number of files. Any duplicate files get deduplicated on disk -- you
>> don't even download the duplicates when you update either or both of
>> them.
>
> The files are still technically duplicated, they just happen to be
> deduplicatable (and as pointed out by Hedayat Vatankhah elsewhere in this
> subthread, the duplicates will still have to be downloaded in the
> implementation that is being proposed at this time, which offers the
> runtimes as single-file OCI blobs). Sharing without duplicating would mean
> having dependencies between the runtimes, so that the KDE runtime can
> actually Require the Freedesktop runtime.

Couldn't the files all be addressed by hash or even use a tool like casync?
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Jiří Eischmann  wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia píše v Út 18. 07. 2017 v 22:44 -0400:
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Debarshi Ray 
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 09:44:18AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 03:31:30PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> > > >  F29: packagers (of graphical applications) must create
>> > > > Flatpaks of
>> > > >   their applications if possible. They *may* keep standard
>> > > > RPM
>> > > >   packaging.
>> > >
>> > > At least we see where this is going.
>> > >
>> > > If RPMs of the graphical application work fine now, what on earth
>> > > is
>> > > the point of forcing packagers to make Flatpaks?  Sandboxing
>> > > isn't one
>> > > of them - as already explained, sandboxing is orthogonal to
>> > > packaging.
>> >
>> > Huh? How would you get sandboxing without Flatpaks? Unless you are
>> > proposing a different sandboxing technology.
>>
>> By putting them in "/opt", the way other sanely packaged 3rd party
>> components do?
>
> How does that ensure any sandboxing?

Complete sandboxing, with isolation from the network stack and the
rest of the host's filesystem? It doesn't. But functional sandboxing,
where a full software suite with its own libraries and binaries to be
supported separately from the rest of the operating sytem, Yeah, it
works pretty well to set up a separate workspace there and wrap the
calls of that customized suite in an "enable" script or a shell
wrapper, much as the Software Collections for RHEL have been doing
functionally for years for software backported from Fedora testing.

Even a chroot cage can be run there for service isolation from the
rest of the system. Gnome packaging... well, that's considerably
harder because it spews into $HOME/.gnome, in manners inconsistent
between even minor releases. Packaging Gnome looks like a fabulous
idea at first glance. It's one of those situations where the "first
90% takes 90% of the work, and the last 10% takes the next 300% of the
work".
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-07-21)

2017-07-21 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Miller wrote:
> * AGREED: - APPROVED: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications
> as Flatpaks (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0) (Includes a +1 in ticket from absense
> FESCo member)  (maxamillion, 16:34:38)

Sigh! Does FESCo ever do anything to changes coming from some influential 
people at Red Hat other than waving them through? There wasn't even a single 
-1 vote on this controversial feature!

I am really left to wonder why you solicit feedback on the mailing list at 
all if you blatantly ignore it.

Kevin Kofler
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