Fedora-Modular 27-20171202.n.0 compose check report

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images:

Docker_base docker x86_64
Server dvd arm

Failed openQA tests: 20/94 (x86_64), 5/19 (i386)

ID: 178156  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso support_server
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178156
ID: 178162  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_cockpit_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178162
ID: 178176  Test: i386 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178176
ID: 178180  Test: x86_64 universal support_server
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178180
ID: 178182  Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178182
ID: 178183  Test: x86_64 universal install_mirrorlist_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178183
ID: 178185  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178185
ID: 178190  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178190
ID: 178227  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_minimal_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178227
ID: 178228  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178228
ID: 178229  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178229
ID: 178230  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_domain_controller
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178230
ID: 178232  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178232
ID: 178233  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178233
ID: 178234  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_minimal_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178234
ID: 178235  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178235
ID: 178236  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_server_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178236
ID: 178237  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178237
ID: 178238  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178238
ID: 178242  Test: x86_64 universal install_european_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178242
ID: 178243  Test: x86_64 universal install_cyrillic_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178243
ID: 178251  Test: i386 universal upgrade_2_desktop_32bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178251
ID: 178252  Test: i386 universal upgrade_desktop_32bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178252
ID: 178258  Test: i386 universal install_blivet_ext3
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178258
ID: 178265  Test: i386 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178265

Passed openQA tests: 66/94 (x86_64), 14/19 (i386)

Skipped openQA tests: 4 of 113
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Fedora Modular 27 compose report: 20171202.n.0 changes

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-Modular-27-20171201.n.1
NEW: Fedora-Modular-27-20171202.n.0

= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images:  1
Added packages:  0
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages:   0
Downgraded packages: 0

Size of added packages:  0.00 B
Size of dropped packages:0.00 B
Size of upgraded packages:   0.00 B
Size of downgraded packages: 0.00 B

Size change of upgraded packages:   0.00 B
Size change of downgraded packages: 0.00 B

= ADDED IMAGES =

= DROPPED IMAGES =
Image: Container_Base docker armhfp
Path: 
Server/armhfp/images/Fedora-Modular-Container-Base-27_Modular-20171201.n.1.armhfp.tar.xz

= ADDED PACKAGES =

= DROPPED PACKAGES =

= UPGRADED PACKAGES =

= DOWNGRADED PACKAGES =
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Fedora Rawhide-20171201.n.0 compose check report

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images:

Server dvd i386
Workstation live i386
Server boot i386
Kde live i386

Failed openQA tests: 86/128 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)

New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20171130.n.0):

ID: 178048  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso desktop_notifications_live
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178048
ID: 178049  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_no_user
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178049
ID: 178051  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178051
ID: 178080  Test: x86_64 Atomic-dvd_ostree-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178080

Old failures (same test failed in Rawhide-20171130.n.0):

ID: 178024  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178024
ID: 178025  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178025
ID: 178027  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178027
ID: 178028  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178028
ID: 178030  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_updates_nfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178030
ID: 178034  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_repository_nfs_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178034
ID: 178035  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_repository_nfs_variation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178035
ID: 178046  Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178046
ID: 178050  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178050
ID: 178061  Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178061
ID: 178062  Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso memory_check@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178062
ID: 178065  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_notifications_live
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178065
ID: 178067  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178067
ID: 178069  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_notifications_postinstall
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178069
ID: 178078  Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178078
ID: 178082  Test: x86_64 universal install_package_set_minimal
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178082
ID: 178083  Test: x86_64 universal install_anaconda_text
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178083
ID: 178085  Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_variation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178085
ID: 178086  Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178086
ID: 178087  Test: x86_64 universal install_mirrorlist_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178087
ID: 178088  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178088
ID: 178089  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178089
ID: 178090  Test: x86_64 universal install_sata
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178090
ID: 178091  Test: x86_64 universal install_sata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178091
ID: 178092  Test: x86_64 universal install_kickstart_user_creation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178092
ID: 178093  Test: x86_64 universal install_scsi_updates_img
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178093
ID: 178094  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178094
ID: 178095  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178095
ID: 178096  Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_encrypted
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178096
ID: 178097  Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_free_space
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178097
ID: 178098  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi_empty
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178098
ID: 178099  Test: x86_64 universal install_software_raid
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178099
ID: 178100  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_partial
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178100
ID: 178101  Test: x86_64 universal install_btrfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178101
ID: 178102  Test: x86_64 universal install_ext3
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178102
ID: 178103  Test: x86_64 universal install_xfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/178103
ID: 178104  Test: x86_64 universal install_lvmthin
URL: 

[Test-Announce] Fedora 28 Rawhide 20171201.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2017-12-01 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event
for Fedora 28 Rawhide 20171201.n.0. Please help run some tests for this
nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly
release validation testing, see:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan

Notable package version changes:
lorax - 20171128.n.0: lorax-28.1-1.fc28.src, 20171201.n.0: lorax-28.2-1.fc28.src

Test coverage information for the current release can be seen at:
https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/28

You can see all results, find testing instructions and image download
locations, and enter results on the Summary page:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Summary

The individual test result pages are:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Installation
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Base
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Server
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Cloud
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Desktop
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_28_Rawhide_20171201.n.0_Security_Lab

Thank you for testing!
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[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2017-12-04 blocker review meeting

2017-12-01 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the blocker review meeting for
Monday, as there would only be a couple of F28 bugs to consider and
it's not worth having a meeting for that.
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Re: ​ICU 60.1 coming to rawhide​/F28

2017-12-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Pete Walter wrote:
> qt5-qtwebengine-5.9.3-1.fc28.src.rpm

This fails to build because of the #error here:
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwebengine-chromium.git/tree/chromium/components/url_formatter/url_formatter.cc?h=56-based#n481

In 5.10, this has moved to another file:
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwebengine-chromium.git/tree/chromium/components/url_formatter/idn_spoof_checker.cc?h=61-based#n334

I think I should remove the offending support for "aspirational scripts"
entirely, as per:
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/afca0a393f23f0b7ef18d8c3d05e166c3012606d%5E%21/

I'm giving that a try.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: how to replace ssl with ssh2 in kqoauth

2017-12-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rex Dieter wrote:
> I can/will step up (for qt v4 which won't be going away any time soon).

Can't we patch Qt 4 to build with OpenSSL 1.1 instead?

At least Debian has a patch (which seems to be over a year old):
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git/tree/debian/patches/openssl_1.1.patch

There is also a recent followup:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828522#211

I think it would be worth the time to just get everything to build with the
latest OpenSSL, patches are already floating around.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: Which Fedora/EPEL is targeted by packaging guidelines?

2017-12-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> This is big and old-school hammer. If you did "git cherry-pick" instead,
> you could get most of the changes you did in master without the
> branches. Also, merging means that you get into older (or EPEL) branches
> stuff like changelogs from mass rebuild, which should not be there IMO.

Cherry-picking and diverging changelogs mean one keeps having to manually 
fix conflicts. With the one specfile with conditionals, I only have to do a 
fast-forward merge and build, which is a lot more convenient.

But keep in mind that I don't do EPEL, so my conditionals are few and far 
between, and I will remove conditionals for EOL Fedora releases.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: debug facilities

2017-12-01 Thread Tom Hughes

On 01/12/17 22:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:


If you do "rpm -qi soundfont-utils" you will find a line like this:
Source RPM  : gt-0.4-23.fc26.src.rpm

That means that this package is a sub-package of gt.  That's where 
you'll find it in bugzilla and the package database.  That's also 
probably where the sources are, but I'm not sure about that.  Try 
installing debuginfo for gt and see what happens.


It's a mixture, as you can see in koji:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=946244

The debuginfo is per binary rpm but the debugsource is just one package 
for the whole source rpm so is gt-debugsource.


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Re: debug facilities

2017-12-01 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 12/01/2017 12:51 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
I know that we started splitting the source packages off---but 
unfortunately there doesn't seem to be soundfont-utils-debugsource 
anywhere. In fact, the sounfount-utils package is a little bit of a 
mystery: I couldn't find it on the Fedora package list, and it doesn't 
show up in Bugzilla so I can't enter a bug against it. The URL in the 
package points to http://alsa.opensrc.org/GusSoundfont, but there don't 
seem to be any sources for the utils there, and the source URL seems to 
point to package gt (which is a lightweight version of Timidity, so it's 
not totally unrelated but I didn't see midi-disasm there)


If you do "rpm -qi soundfont-utils" you will find a line like this:
Source RPM  : gt-0.4-23.fc26.src.rpm

That means that this package is a sub-package of gt.  That's where 
you'll find it in bugzilla and the package database.  That's also 
probably where the sources are, but I'm not sure about that.  Try 
installing debuginfo for gt and see what happens.

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Re: debug facilities

2017-12-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski

On 12/01/2017 04:39 PM, John Reiser wrote:
I ran into a problem with midi-disasm from soundfount-utils. I tried 
to debug it but installing soundfont-utils-debuginfo only brings in  
the symbol tables, not sources.


Perhaps the problem is particular to that rpm, or similar ones?
Is soundfont-utils one of several rpms that belong to the same 
installable package?


For instance, when I run "dnf debuginfo-install coreutils" [on Fedora 25]
then it installs the sources in /usr/src/debug/coreutils-8.25
and I can look at src/date.c for the source to /bin/date.

This is the old way of doing things, which worked; debuginfo packages 
contained both debug symbols and source. This had the disadvantage of 
large debuginfo packages: Octave is 342MB, qt is 119MB, glibc is 90MB. 
Debug symbols are essential for abrt-style automatic stack dump 
telemetry, so it was proposed to split -debuginfo into small debug 
symbol package and separate -debugsource package; this hasn't been done 
to all packages though (I am not sure how much manual work the packager 
has to do to accomplish that).


My problem is that I can't find out where is the source of my package! 
it apparently was split off but I don't know where it went.

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Self Introduction: Ryan Breaker

2017-12-01 Thread Ryan Breaker
Hello everyone, my name is Ryan and I’m looking to join the Packager group to 
revive and update the netatalk package, as well as be available to assist with 
anything else I find myself interested in helping with. I’m a huge fan of 
Fedora and it’s long been my favorite Linux distribution so I’m excited to be 
able to give back in some way.

 

The package I’m looking to revive and update already exists on Pagure at 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/netatalk and it’s just a few minor releases 
behind from its previous commit before being marked as dead so once able I will 
do just that.

 

Feel free to let me know if there’s anything else I need to do to get the 
access I need; I already forked it but don’t appear to be able to pull or push 
to it yet.

 

Thanks,

Ryan Breaker

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Re: debug facilities

2017-12-01 Thread John Reiser

I ran into a problem with midi-disasm from soundfount-utils. I tried to debug 
it but installing soundfont-utils-debuginfo only brings in  the symbol tables, 
not sources.


Perhaps the problem is particular to that rpm, or similar ones?
Is soundfont-utils one of several rpms that belong to the same installable 
package?

For instance, when I run "dnf debuginfo-install coreutils" [on Fedora 25]
then it installs the sources in /usr/src/debug/coreutils-8.25
and I can look at src/date.c for the source to /bin/date.

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debug facilities

2017-12-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I ran into a problem with midi-disasm from soundfount-utils. I tried to 
debug it but installing soundfont-utils-debuginfo only brings in  the 
symbol tables, not sources.


I know that we started splitting the source packages off---but 
unfortunately there doesn't seem to be soundfont-utils-debugsource 
anywhere. In fact, the sounfount-utils package is a little bit of a 
mystery: I couldn't find it on the Fedora package list, and it doesn't 
show up in Bugzilla so I can't enter a bug against it. The URL in the 
package points to http://alsa.opensrc.org/GusSoundfont, but there don't 
seem to be any sources for the utils there, and the source URL seems to 
point to package gt (which is a lightweight version of Timidity, so it's 
not totally unrelated but I didn't see midi-disasm there)


What is the recommend workflow if one wants to start using GDB to solve 
a problem? It used to be sufficient to just load the debuginfo packages 
(in fact, that's what GDB is still recommending)., but this doesn't 
bring the sources now so debugging is not working that well.


I see that there are 96000+ packages now in F27+RPMfusion, with 34000 
debuginfo packages but only 1 debugsource packages. What is the 
plan--are we committed to eventually have a -debuginfo and -debugsource 
for every package (barring metapackages and such)?


Also, why there's no soundfount-utils in bugzilla or while searching the 
Fedora package database? How would I find out who is the packager?

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Basic package split question

2017-12-01 Thread Philip Kovacs
If I have version 1 of package foo, containing items bar, xxx, yyy, zzz, i.e.
foo-1-barxxxyyyzzz
and, for version 2, bar is split off to its own sub-package, foo-bar, so that 
the desired packaging becomes:
foo-2         foo-bar-2-         -xxx           baryyyzzz
with foo-bar permanently requiring foo going forward.  How does one structure 
theObsoletes/Requires such that foo-2 pulls in foo-bar-2 only once, during the 
upgradefrom 1 to 2?  
What is the best practice for this? 
TIA
Philip

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Call for participation: FOSDEM 2018

2017-12-01 Thread Zacharias Mitzelos
Hello everyone,

FOSDEM[0], the biggest free and non-commercial event organized by and
for the community in Europe, is just 2 months away. The conference will
be held in Brussels, Belgium, on February 3 & 4. As every year, EMEA
Ambassadors organize the booth at FOSDEM, where many developers,
contributors and students visit it to discuss with us or get some swag.

This is an open call aiming especially at Fedora developers and
technical contributors, to participate in our booth at FOSDEM. One of
your main tasks would be to assist people and represent Fedora from a
technical point of view. We would like you to talk to developers about
using Fedora as a platform as well as a desktop.
 
There is also some budget in place and we can provide travel and lodging
funding to some developers and technical contributors in order to attend
and assist at the booth. Sponsored contributors are expected to stay
most of the time at the booth during the two days of the conference. If
you would like to request funding, add your name on the wiki page[1] and
open a funding request at the EMEA funding request tracker[2]
(explaining why you are asking for funding and how you are going to
contribute to the booth), so we can discuss all the requests in the
upcoming EMEA Ambassador meetings.

Have a nice weekend,
Zach

[0] https://fosdem.org/2018/
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2018
[2] https://pagure.io/ambassadors-emea/funding_requests/new_issue
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Fedora-Modular 27-20171201.n.1 compose check report

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images:

Docker_base docker x86_64
Server dvd arm

Failed openQA tests: 21/94 (x86_64), 4/19 (i386)

New failures (same test did not fail in 27-20171201.n.0):

ID: 177939  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_xfs
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177939
ID: 177943  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_btrfs@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177943
ID: 177959  Test: x86_64 universal install_kickstart_hdd
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177959

Old failures (same test failed in 27-20171201.n.0):

ID: 177889  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso support_server
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177889
ID: 177895  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_cockpit_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177895
ID: 177909  Test: i386 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177909
ID: 177913  Test: x86_64 universal support_server
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177913
ID: 177915  Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177915
ID: 177916  Test: x86_64 universal install_mirrorlist_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177916
ID: 177960  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_minimal_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177960
ID: 177961  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177961
ID: 177962  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177962
ID: 177963  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_domain_controller
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177963
ID: 177965  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177965
ID: 177966  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177966
ID: 177967  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_minimal_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177967
ID: 177968  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177968
ID: 177969  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_server_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177969
ID: 177970  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177970
ID: 177971  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177971
ID: 177975  Test: x86_64 universal install_european_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177975
ID: 177976  Test: x86_64 universal install_cyrillic_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177976
ID: 177984  Test: i386 universal upgrade_2_desktop_32bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177984
ID: 177985  Test: i386 universal upgrade_desktop_32bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177985
ID: 177998  Test: i386 universal install_repository_http_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177998

Passed openQA tests: 65/94 (x86_64), 15/19 (i386)

Skipped openQA tests: 2 of 113

Installed system changes in test i386 universal install_package_set_minimal: 
System load changed from 0.03 to 0.16
Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177780#downloads
Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/177999#downloads
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Re: Self Introduction: Jaroslav Prokop

2017-12-01 Thread Jaroslav Prokop
 
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> From: Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski 
> On Friday 01.12.2017 at 09:31
 
>Hi, Jarek.
 
 >On Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 18:25, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:
 >> my name is Jaroslav, Jarek for short, I am 16 years old student,
 >> I live and study in Brno, Czech Republic. I am beginner in the
 >> world of programming, right now I am working on becoming rpm
 >> packager.
 
 >Welcome to Fedora! Have you joined the Fedora IRC channel(s) already?

 Yes, you can find me at #fedora-devel under "jprokop"
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Fedora Modular bikeshed compose report: changes

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report

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REMINDER: Autumn Elections 2017: Nomination & Campaign period is in progress

2017-12-01 Thread Jan Kurik
Currently we have Nomination & Campaign period [1] in progress and we
still accept nominations to "steering bodies" of the following teams:

* FESCo (Engineering) (5 seats) [2]
* Fedora Council (2 seats) [3]
* Mindshare (2 seats) [4]

This period is open until 2017-Dec-04 at 23:59:59 UTC.

Nominees can already prepare answers for questions in the Election
Questionnaire [5]. These answers (aka interview) are going to be
published in Community Blog [6] on the first day of the Voting period
(2017-Dec-05).

The full schedule of the Autumn Elections 2017 is available on the
Elections wiki page [1] and on the detailed schedule for F27 [7].

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Nominations
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Nominations
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mindshare/Nominations
[5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire
[6] http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/
[7] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-elections.html

Regards,
Jan
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REMINDER: Autumn Elections 2017: Nomination & Campaign period is in progress

2017-12-01 Thread Jan Kurik
Currently we have Nomination & Campaign period [1] in progress and we
still accept nominations to "steering bodies" of the following teams:

* FESCo (Engineering) (5 seats) [2]
* Fedora Council (2 seats) [3]
* Mindshare (2 seats) [4]

This period is open until 2017-Dec-04 at 23:59:59 UTC.

Nominees can already prepare answers for questions in the Election
Questionnaire [5]. These answers (aka interview) are going to be
published in Community Blog [6] on the first day of the Voting period
(2017-Dec-05).

The full schedule of the Autumn Elections 2017 is available on the
Elections wiki page [1] and on the detailed schedule for F27 [7].

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Nominations
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Nominations
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mindshare/Nominations
[5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire
[6] http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/
[7] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-elections.html

Regards,
Jan
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Re: ​ICU 60.1 coming to rawhide​/F28

2017-12-01 Thread Pete Walter
Here's a quick update: icu 60.1 is now built and the rebuilds are all done and 
releng just tagged all the builds over from the f28-icu side tag to f28.

A few of the rebuilds failed. I'd appreciate if the maintainers of the packages 
could take a look and help fix them up. Here's the full list of packages that 
failed to rebuild against icu 60.1:

fontmatrix-0.9.99-32.r1218.fc27.src.rpm
gnucash-2.6.18-2.fc28.src.rpm
mozjs38-38.8.0-7.fc28.src.rpm
mozjs45-45.9.0-5.fc28.src.rpm
nodejs-mapnik-3.6.2-5.fc27.1.src.rpm
nodejs-node-stringprep-0.7.3-16.fc28.src.rpm
openttd-1.7.1-3.fc27.src.rpm
qt5-qtwebengine-5.9.3-1.fc28.src.rpm
soletta-1-1.fc26.src.rpm
v8-314-3.14.5.10-7.fc27.src.rpm

Cheers,
Pete
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2017-12-01)

2017-12-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2017-12-01)
===


Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-12-01/fesco.2017-12-01-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (nirik, 16:00:04)

* #1792 bodhi enablement and Beta freeze need to be the same day
  (nirik, 16:03:37)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1794   (nirik, 16:03:37)
  * AGREED: fesco agrees to change the bodhi activation date to be the
same day as beta freeze moving forward. (+7,0,2)  (nirik, 16:06:57)

* #1790 Proposal for 3 week freeze  (nirik, 16:07:10)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1790   (nirik, 16:07:10)
  * ACTION: nirik to file taskotron ticket to remove or reduce in
importance the upgrade path check  (nirik, 16:29:33)
  * AGREED: Add 1 week to beta freeze, and review after Fedora 28
release to see if it was worth while (+5, 2, 2)  (nirik, 16:32:23)

* #1761 Update of "Fedora Release Live Cycle" and "Changes/ Policy"
  (nirik, 16:32:38)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1761   (nirik, 16:32:38)
  * AGREED: with addition of 3 weeks for beta freeze and bodhi
activation point moving to beta freeze the new release life cycle
and changes policy are approved. (+6,0,3)  (nirik, 16:40:15)

* #1767 F28 Self Contained Changes  (nirik, 16:40:20)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1767   (nirik, 16:40:20)
  * AGREED: both f28 self contained changes are approved. (+7,0,2)
(nirik, 16:42:17)

* #1795 F28 System Wide Change: time-1.8  (nirik, 16:42:22)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1795   (nirik, 16:42:22)
  * AGREED: Change is approved (7,0,2)  (nirik, 16:44:56)

* #1796 Mandatory Release notes for Changes  (nirik, 16:45:15)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1796   (nirik, 16:45:15)
  * AGREED: Mandatory release notes are approved (+7,0,2)  (nirik,
16:48:16)

* #1798 F28 System Wide Change: Improved Laptop Battery Life  (nirik,
  16:48:28)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1798   (nirik, 16:48:28)
  * AGREED: Change is approved (+7,0,2)  (nirik, 16:51:02)

* #1663 How strongly should we recommend systemd sandboxing features?
  (nirik, 16:51:18)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1663   (nirik, 16:51:18)
  * AGREED: draft policy approved and FPC is asked to review and comment
and fold into guidelines. (8,0,1) (jsmith was +1 in ticket and tyll
was +1 before leaving)  (nirik, 17:10:35)

* next weeks chair  (nirik, 17:11:40)
  * jsmith to chair next week  (nirik, 17:12:02)

* Open Floor  (nirik, 17:12:11)
  * Election nominations are ongoing. Please nominate yourself or
others. :)  (nirik, 17:12:39)
  * next week Fedora Infrastructure is doing a datacenter move. see
announcements for more info and
https://www.fedorastatus.org/q4maint.html for whats what day.
(nirik, 17:13:25)

Meeting ended at 17:15:18 UTC.




Action Items

* nirik to file taskotron ticket to remove or reduce in importance the
  upgrade path check




Action Items, by person
---
* nirik
  * nirik to file taskotron ticket to remove or reduce in importance the
upgrade path check
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---
* nirik (108)
* bowlofeggs (39)
* dgilmore (37)
* jforbes (31)
* kalev (27)
* maxamillion (21)
* zodbot (20)
* tyll (17)
* zbyszek (7)
* jsmith_work (3)
* smooge (1)
* sgallagh (0)
* jsmith (0)




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Fedora Modular 27 compose report: 20171201.n.1 changes

2017-12-01 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-Modular-27-20171201.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Modular-27-20171201.n.1

= SUMMARY =
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Dropped images:  0
Added packages:  0
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages:   0
Downgraded packages: 0

Size of added packages:  0.00 B
Size of dropped packages:0.00 B
Size of upgraded packages:   0.00 B
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Re: remote X connections

2017-12-01 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 12/01/2017 04:44 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
> On 11/30/17 13:57, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> 
>> Looks like gdm is missing BuildRequires: pkgconfig(xorg-server) 
>> Please report a bug for gdm in Bugzilla.
> 
> 
> Can I cite your email on this bug report. What exactly will this
> "BuildRequires" change accomplish?

No need to file the bugreport. Ray Strode already fixed it.
The added BuildRequires ensures the correct package is installed
in the buildroot to make the pkg-config test in gdm's configure.ac
work.

Michal
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Re: remote X connections

2017-12-01 Thread Christian Groessler

On 11/30/17 13:57, Michal Schmidt wrote:


Looks like gdm is missing BuildRequires: pkgconfig(xorg-server)
Please report a bug for gdm in Bugzilla.



Can I cite your email on this bug report. What exactly will this 
"BuildRequires" change accomplish?


regards,
chris
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Re: remote X connections

2017-12-01 Thread Christian Groessler

On 11/30/17 13:58, Jan Kratochvil wrote:

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:39:16 +0100, Christian Groessler wrote:

This is handled by conditional compilation in gdm (depending on a
HAVE_XSERVER_THAT_DEFAULTS_TO_LOCAL_ONLY define).

gdm ignores DisallowTCP=false on F22
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1226084

FYI I had a problem with it around those versions F-22..F-24 but it does work
for me for several releases now incl. F-27.



Hmm, for me it doesn't work. I had FC24 before (where it worked, but
I don't remember if I had local tweaks. I found the 
gdm-3.18.2-2.fc23.src.rpm

on my machine, maybe I did some changes to it in order to get it to work.
Really don't remember.

But after upgrading from FC-24 to FC-26 it stopped working. Then I upgraded
to FC-27, still not working.

regards,
chris
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Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-12-01)

2017-12-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 11/30/2017 11:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 02:05:52PM -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
>> FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on
>> irc.freenode.net.
>>
>> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>>
>> or run:
>>   date -d '2017-12-01 16:00 UTC'
>>
>> Links to all issues below can be found at:
>> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>>
>> = Followups =
>>
>> #topic #1663 How strongly should we recommend systemd sandboxing features?
>> .fesco 1663
>> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1663
> 
> Hi,
> 
> would it be possible to move this down a bit in the agenda?
> I have an overlapping meeting 15:30-16:30 UTC...

Sure... can move it out to the end. ;)

kevin



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Re: how to replace ssl with ssh2 in kqoauth

2017-12-01 Thread Rex Dieter
Tomas Mraz wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 06:40 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> Tomas Mraz wrote:
>> 
>> > Compat-openssl10-devel will be removed at the latest by Fedora 29
>> > and
>> > anything that requires it will be no longer buildable.
>> 
>> That's the first I've seen or heard of any such hard deadline... has
>> that
>> been mentioned before?
> 
> I was not completely precise with that statement above - this is my
> current intention.
> 
> The other option is that someone will step up and take over the
> maintenance of compat-openssl10 at that point. 

I can/will step up (for qt v4 which won't be going away any time soon).

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Re: how to replace ssl with ssh2 in kqoauth

2017-12-01 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 06:40 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
> 
> > Compat-openssl10-devel will be removed at the latest by Fedora 29
> > and
> > anything that requires it will be no longer buildable.
> 
> That's the first I've seen or heard of any such hard deadline... has
> that 
> been mentioned before?

I was not completely precise with that statement above - this is my
current intention.

The other option is that someone will step up and take over the
maintenance of compat-openssl10 at that point. I'd be willing to
maintain the package after that time only if compat-openssl10-devel is
removed - that means having compat-openssl10 only purely as third party
application backwards compatibility library.

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Re: how to replace ssl with ssh2 in kqoauth

2017-12-01 Thread Rex Dieter
Tomas Mraz wrote:

> Compat-openssl10-devel will be removed at the latest by Fedora 29 and
> anything that requires it will be no longer buildable.

That's the first I've seen or heard of any such hard deadline... has that 
been mentioned before?

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Re: Which Fedora/EPEL is targeted by packaging guidelines?

2017-12-01 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 01 December 2017 at 11:39, Vít Ondruch wrote:
[...]
> What I really want to answer is the question in $SUBJECT, since the
> scope of guidelines is not specified anywhere. It seems that FPC itself
> does not know what releases they target and my guidelines update [1] is
> stuck in review just because of this.

It is my understanding that the unwritten rule is that the guidelines
are targeted at rawhide and we (FPC) try to maintain notes documenting
which releases need exceptions or don't support some things.

> The packaging style is very related of course. If the philosophy of
> Fedora/EPEL was "every change goes into every branch" then the
> guidelines should probably cover all the branches and discuss all the
> differences. But the update policy [2] says the opposite: "we should
> avoid major updates of packages within a stable release. Updates should
> aim to fix bugs, and not introduce features, particularly when those
> features would materially affect the user or developer experience". So
> saying that majority of people supports all the branches is against the
> policy IMO.

Now you're stretching it in my opinion. "Supporting" stable releases
doesn't mean releasing every update made in rawhide to stable branches
as well. Fixing bugs is still "supporting" and I don't see why it would
be against the policy.

Regards,
Dominik
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Unretiring Estonia ID cards utilities

2017-12-01 Thread Germano Massullo
Good day,
I am unretiring packages for Estonia ID cards

Review request: qdigidoc - Estonian digital signature application
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519749

Review request: qesteidutil - Estonian ID card utility
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519323

Review request: libdigidocpp - Library offers creating, signing and
verification of digitally signed documents, according to XAdES and
XML-DSIG standards
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519747

Review request: esteidcerts - Estonian ID card root, intermediate and
OCSP certificates
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518957

While testing them I made also a Copr repo
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/germano/este-id-card-tools/

More infos about Estonia electronic identity:
https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/
https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/e-residency


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Re: Which Fedora/EPEL is targeted by packaging guidelines?

2017-12-01 Thread Vít Ondruch


Dne 30.11.2017 v 17:32 Stephen John Smoogen napsal(a):
> On 30 November 2017 at 03:49, Vít Ondruch  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Reading logs from yesterdays FPC meeting [1], I think we should discuss
>> what is actually purpose of packaging guidelines and which version of
>> Fedora/EPEL/RHEL they actually targets.
>>
>>
>> Apparently, there are two camps of packagers in Fedora/EPEL. Those who want:
>>
>> 1) single version of .spec file to cover the whole Red Hat ecosystem.
>>
>> 2) clean .spec file following the latest and greatest packaging practices.
>>
>>
>> I personally belong to the group (2) and that is for several reasons:
>>
>> a) I use Rawhide on daily basis and I develop only for Rawhide. If I do
>> changes in older Fedoras, then it is typically just bug fixes and
>> honestly, that does not happen often (I am POC of ~200 packages and I
>> submitted just 40 updates during last year [2]). And in fact, this is
>> official philosophy of updates [3], not just mine.
>>
>> b) I spent time developing features which should simplify packaging (for
>> example in F27+, the RPM %setup macro can expand the .gem packages) and
>> I want to use these technologies to simplify my life and life of others.
>>
>> c) As a proven packager and person who typically does rebuild of Ruby
>> packages, I really hate the branched .spec files where nobody knows what
>> was the purpose of the branches, most of the branches are for obsolete
>> and unsupported releases etc. It is quite hard to apply any improvements
>> into such packages. Moreover it is not realistic to test them. If they
>> were maintained, it would be different story, but the reality is different.
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are packagers who has just
>> handful of packages and it is better for them to maintain just single
>> .spec file with all the branches and I don't mind them as long as the
>> packages are really actively maintained. But this approach just don't
>> scale and should be exception and not recommended practice.
>>
>>
>> To sum this up, my take on packaging guidelines is that *the guidelines
>> should document the most recent practices available in Rawhide and this
>> should be documented*. Covering all the exceptions necessary for older
>> Fedoras (not even mentioning RHEL/EPEL) makes the guidelines unreadable
>> and what is worse, they slow down entire development of Fedora.
>>
> Honestly, I think the RHEL/EPEL part of your conversation is a Red
> Herring (aka not the real point).

What I really want to answer is the question in $SUBJECT, since the
scope of guidelines is not specified anywhere. It seems that FPC itself
does not know what releases they target and my guidelines update [1] is
stuck in review just because of this.

The packaging style is very related of course. If the philosophy of
Fedora/EPEL was "every change goes into every branch" then the
guidelines should probably cover all the branches and discuss all the
differences. But the update policy [2] says the opposite: "we should
avoid major updates of packages within a stable release. Updates should
aim to fix bugs, and not introduce features, particularly when those
features would materially affect the user or developer experience". So
saying that majority of people supports all the branches is against the
policy IMO.

Also, if the guidelines covered all the branches, the probably Rust
guidelines would not be approved yet ...


V.


[1] https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/710
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Philosophy
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Re: Self Introduction: Jaroslav Prokop

2017-12-01 Thread Benson Muite

Welcome to Fedora!

On 11/30/2017 07:25 PM, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:

Hi everyone,

my name is Jaroslav, Jarek for short, I am 16 years old student, I live 
and study in Brno, Czech Republic.


I am beginner in the world of programming, right now I am working on 
becoming rpm packager.


For now I will be packagingruby software and I am building my first 
Fedora packages [1] [2].


I am not experienced much and still pretty young, but I am working my 
way to knowledge, but I am glad I can give my part to this awesome open 
source project.


If you´re interested to know more about me, we could do some Q

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1517000

[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1516328

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Regards,

Jaroslav Prokop



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[389-devel] Please review: 49449 sysctl on upgrade

2017-12-01 Thread William Brown
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/issue/49449

https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/issue/raw/files/415847b6fe5df6634f9034da8
e63dd9e6eb4eff737b256e71efe595bf40f7ef0-0001-Ticket-49449-Load-sysctl-
values-on-rpm-upgrade.patch


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William Brown
Software Engineer
Red Hat, Australia/Brisbane
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Re: Self Introduction: Jaroslav Prokop

2017-12-01 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hi, Jarek.

On Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 18:25, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:
> my name is Jaroslav, Jarek for short, I am 16 years old student,
> I live and study in Brno, Czech Republic. I am beginner in the
> world of programming, right now I am working on becoming rpm
> packager.

Welcome to Fedora! Have you joined the Fedora IRC channel(s) already?

Regards,
Dominik
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