Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 23:38, Neal Gompa wrote:

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:03 PM Björn Persson  wrote:


Jason L Tibbitts III  wrote:

Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.


Maybe I'll try that next time I have some free time. This is giving me
a "best viewed with Netscape Navigator" feeling though. Not only are
there several different badly designed document authoring languages,
but they're apparently even splitting into tool-specific dialects.



I'm wondering if it was a good idea to use asciidoc in the first
place. Unlike reStructuredText, asciidoc implementations seem to be in
very poor shape.


While the entire situation (the tool used is not packages, the 
conversion is incomplete) is not perfect, I wouldn't blame it on 
asciidoc implementations. asciidoctor is very good actually and I don't 
see why to consider it "very poor shape".


I have much more experience with sphinx + rst and in fact would 
personally liked it more, but there's nothing wrong with asciidoc markup.


What's wrong is the need of using magic containers to build the docs.
But that's most entirely not asciidoc's fault.

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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 19:29, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 1.10.2018 18:29, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 1.10.2018 17:55, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

"SJS" == Stephen John Smoogen  writes:

SJS> What packages? And where are they depending on it?

I believe the underlying issue is that previously the Fedora
python-matplotib package produced both python2 and python3 subpackages.
But recently it dropped support for python2.


Yes.


What I don't understand is:

1) Why my access was removed from the package and set to 'orphan'.
There is no separate set of permissions for EPEL branches but I'd think
that the new Fedora maintainer would have been simply added to the list
of admins.


I haven't in any way removed you form the package. I simply followed 
this procedure:


1. package review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630799

2. requesting a dist-git repo: 
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/8211


3. the repo exists, unretire on Fedora: 
https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7826


("It doesn't really exist in EPEL; the current EPEL package is just a 
stub that depends on python-matplotlib. The Fedora package will be a 
completely different thing. There shouldn't be any conflict between 
them.")


So apparently, this is where you were removed, because I wrote:

 > FAS username of the new maintainer? churchyard

And that simply meant "replace current main admin with me".

This was certainly not intended. I've also cced you in the request so 
you are aware of the unretirement. Neither of us noticed the consequence.


4. imported with history 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python2-matplotlib/pull-request/1


5. built

6. announced 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/PWZLITS74FYXASZGDF4W7G7LNJNYY4H5/ 



7. orphaned when I no longer wanted to maintain it. no other 
maintainers were present at this point.


Note that at the point, I haven't noticed that this is weird. I should 
have. I've only seen it as an action that removes me.




If at any point of the process you got kicked out of the package, this 
was certainly not my intent.



2) Why a package was added and then immediately orphaned.  In an attempt
to clean up the mess I'm told that there's now a six week period of time
during which the package has to stay live.  So this package was imported
with no expectation that it would be maintained only to start some
running clock.  And for the duration of that clock, I get to keep the
mess by default?


The package was added because it was needed. It was orphaned because I 
don't want to maintain it. Or do I have to maintain the package for 
ever juts because I've put it in there? What's the difference between 
orphaning it 1 week after introducing it, 1 year or a decade?


My idea and motivation here was that somebody who needs it will take it.
I've tried. Nobody wanted it. I've orphaned it, hoping that once it 
appears in the "orphaned packages in need for maintainers" 
announcement, somebody will take it.


The "mess" was not "yours" to keep. There was never any mess in the 
EPEL branch(es). The only mess that exists now is that the package was 
retired and things will start FTBFS and have broken deps (on Fedora), 
how can we sort this mess out, I have no idea. Certainly we can 
unretire it, but I won't do it just to have it retired again as a mess 
that needs to get out.



I'm rather unhappy about this.  I had previously raised my objection to
this and requested coordination in this FESCo comment:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970#comment-532232 but it appears to have
happened anyway.


I haven't read that as objection. I've understand it as confusion.
You've asked to tell you if there is somebody to give this package to. 
There is nobody. Nobody wants it.


Also, in the releng ticket you've pointed out that this will in no way 
clash with the EPEL package. Yet now it seems you retired the package 
only because you are the maintainer of the EPEL package (or at least 
you should have remained the maintainer).


I don't understand what I've done wrong. I think that every maintainer 
has a right to orphan a package at any time.


On the other hand, just retiring a package that other packages depend 
on seems like a weird way of dealing with a problem.


I'm sorry that you were removed form the package. It was not by my 
action. It might have been a side effect of the unretirement (I 
haven't anticipated that side effect).


I'm very sorry that you feel like I went behind your back and like I 
did a wrong thing here. This was no trick, this was no calculated move 
to strip the package from you or to create a pressure on some other 
packagers. This was a simple scenario:


* split a package into two halves
* orphan one of the halves that I don't want to maintain

In fact, I was planning to this for python-SecretStorage as well. 
Should I rather not? What should be the correct way of doing this?


And what shall happen with python2-matplotlib in Fedora?



Fedora 29-20181001.n.0 compose check report

2018-10-01 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images.

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Re: Non-responsive package maintainer - Ray Strode (halfline), Plymouth package

2018-10-01 Thread fedora2018q2
On Mon, 2018-10-01 at 16:52 -0400, Ray Strode wrote:
> Hi,
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:29 PM Stephen <
> fedora201...@nuclearsunshine.com> wrote:
> > The maintainer for Plymouth, Ray Strode (halfline), is not
> > addressing
> > its bugs on RHBZ (one response all year on a single bug, accepting
> > a
> > patch), including showstopper bugs that are preventing boot
> > entirely in
> > some instances.
> 
> I'm around, but I work on a lot of stuff. plymouth doesn't get a lot
> of attention,
> since it basically works.

Hi Ray, unfortunately in some cases it doesn't though. It's currently
completely breaking boot with amdgpu+LUKS, and before that for several
months under amdgpu it was not echoing LUKS characters to screen or
otherwise updating at all after showing the LUKS prompt, making it seem
that password entry was not working and the boot process had frozen.

>  It doesn't see as much development as some
> components because other parts of the stack have been prioritized.
> 
> Having said that, Hans de Goede has taken up the mantle of improving
> the
> boot experience recently, including some changes to plymouth. So you
> should
> see some changes soon.
> 
> plymouth does get fixes for blocker issues when necessary, and i
> still give it
> some attention upstream.
> 
> It is receiving the amount resources we considered appropriate at the
> moment.

Plymouth sits in the unusual position of being simultaneously boot-
critical when enabled, and not actually necessary to the boot process
(AFAIK?)

I believe there's a fair case to be made that for a component with
these unusual characteristics to be default-enabled in Fedora, it needs
enough maintenance resources available for it to continue to work
(modulo short breakages) on at least non-esoteric hardware with which
Fedora otherwise works.

I'm not jumping up and down demanding "devote all your time to fix my
Plymouth bug(s)!" ;) (I've disabled RHGB for now on my system in any
case); rather saying that if there aren't enough resources to make this
level of maintenance realistic at the moment, it might be worth looking
at whether it's still a good idea for Plymouth to continue to be
enabled by default?

Alternatively, if a reasonably flexible blacklist is possible (or
exists?), that might be lower-maintenance, and obviously less nuclear
option than default-disabling Plymouth.

> 
> --Ray
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Fedora 29 compose report: 20181001.n.0 changes

2018-10-01 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-29-20180929.n.0
NEW: Fedora-29-20181001.n.0

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JF" == John Florian  writes:

JF> I would agree with that, but I read the announcement as if this
JF> *was* finished.

The announcement was unfortunately made before things were in what I
would consider to be a "releasable" condition.  Currently the Wiki pages
continue to exist and have not diverged significantly as I have yet to
write any new content into the new pages.  As that happens, I will add
notes to the corresponding wiki pages mentioning that they are outdated
copies.  Eventually we will replace them with redirects, though I see no
reason to delete the original page histories and I imagine they will
remain available as long as the wiki itself.

Personally I would not have chosen to announce it until things were in
better shape, but what's done is done and my effort will be devoted to
moving forward.

 - J<
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NG" == Neal Gompa  writes:

NG> I'm wondering if it was a good idea to use asciidoc in the first
NG> place. Unlike reStructuredText, asciidoc implementations seem to be
NG> in very poor shape.

It's what the documentation team has chosen.  I don't think the
packaging committee would want to do its own thing here; staying with
the wiki would have been a better option than that.

 - J<
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:03 PM Björn Persson  wrote:
>
> Jason L Tibbitts III  wrote:
> > Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
> > converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.
>
> Maybe I'll try that next time I have some free time. This is giving me
> a "best viewed with Netscape Navigator" feeling though. Not only are
> there several different badly designed document authoring languages,
> but they're apparently even splitting into tool-specific dialects.
>

I'm wondering if it was a good idea to use asciidoc in the first
place. Unlike reStructuredText, asciidoc implementations seem to be in
very poor shape.


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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 11:02:13PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
> > converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.
> Maybe I'll try that next time I have some free time. This is giving me
> a "best viewed with Netscape Navigator" feeling though. Not only are
> there several different badly designed document authoring languages,
> but they're apparently even splitting into tool-specific dialects.

That's not really the case here. See https://github.com/asciidoc/asciidoc;
asciidoctor is officially the blessed successor to asciidoc.


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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread John Florian

On 2018-10-01 17:04, Björn Persson wrote:

John Florian  wrote:

And conversely, shouldn't
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines be telling viewers
they now need to go to docs.fp.o?

Not until the conversion is finished, in my opinion.

I would agree with that, but I read the announcement as if this *was* 
finished.  It said "moved" so that was my impression, but I see with the 
discussion here that maybe this is really more like an RC?

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Fedora Infrastructure Planned Outage 2018-10-03

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
l;dr: All Fedora Infrastructure systems will be updated and rebooted
over this week.

Systems that can be done outside of the planned outage.
2018-10-01 21:00 UTC Staging and downloads
2018-10-02 throughout the 'day' single proxies will be updated/rebooted.
2018-10-03 production systems including all build servers will be rebooted.

===  Planned Outage - Build/Production - 2018-10-03 21:00 UTC

There will be an outage starting at 2018-10-03 21:00 UTC,
which will last approximately 4 hours.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:

date -d '2018-10-03 21:00UTC'

Reason for outage:

Various kernel, library, and general security updates need to be
applied to all servers. Due to the kernel, glibc, and other updates..
all systems will be rebooted afterwords

Affected Services:

All build, production and related services will be affected.

Ticket Link:

https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7272

Please join #fedora-admin or #fedora-noc on irc.freenode.net
or add comments to the ticket for this outage above.


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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Björn Persson
John Florian  wrote:
> And conversely, shouldn't 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines be telling viewers 
> they now need to go to docs.fp.o?

Not until the conversion is finished, in my opinion.

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:22 PM Jason L Tibbitts III  wrote:
>
> Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
> converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.

FWIW, We *could* use the asciidoctor / asciidoc plugin for jekyll.
Both asciidoctor and jekyll are packaged for fedora.
The only thing that's missing to support that with official fedora
packages right now is a package for rubygem(jekyll-asciidoc).
(Check @package-review, guess which package is waiting there for a review ;))

Fabio

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Björn Persson
Jason L Tibbitts III  wrote:
> Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
> converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.

Maybe I'll try that next time I have some free time. This is giving me
a "best viewed with Netscape Navigator" feeling though. Not only are
there several different badly designed document authoring languages,
but they're apparently even splitting into tool-specific dialects.

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Re: Non-responsive package maintainer - Ray Strode (halfline), Plymouth package

2018-10-01 Thread Ray Strode
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:29 PM Stephen  wrote:
> The maintainer for Plymouth, Ray Strode (halfline), is not addressing
> its bugs on RHBZ (one response all year on a single bug, accepting a
> patch), including showstopper bugs that are preventing boot entirely in
> some instances.
I'm around, but I work on a lot of stuff. plymouth doesn't get a lot
of attention,
since it basically works. It doesn't see as much development as some
components because other parts of the stack have been prioritized.

Having said that, Hans de Goede has taken up the mantle of improving the
boot experience recently, including some changes to plymouth. So you should
see some changes soon.

plymouth does get fixes for blocker issues when necessary, and i still give it
some attention upstream.

It is receiving the amount resources we considered appropriate at the moment.

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 03:59:21PM -0400, John Florian wrote:
> On 2018-10-01 10:51, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >I think we instead should make sure that all docs under docs.fp.o
> And conversely, shouldn't
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines be telling
> viewers they now need to go to docs.fp.o?

There's a wiki plugin which can be used:

{{#fedoradocs: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/}}

will cause a redirect.

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Non-responsive package maintainer - Ray Strode (halfline), Plymouth package

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen
The maintainer for Plymouth, Ray Strode (halfline), is not addressing
its bugs on RHBZ (one response all year on a single bug, accepting a
patch), including showstopper bugs that are preventing boot entirely in
some instances.

Per 

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers/
, I have attempted to contact Ray via 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1629393 twice without
success. Does anyone know how to contact Ray?

In reference to the above policy, I'm not seeking to take over
maintainership of this package, but given that when enabled Plymouth
effectively becomes a boot-critical component, it either needs to be
adequately maintained or removed from Fedora IMO.
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Adam Samalik
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 16:27, Igor Gnatenko <
ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> We have moved packaging guidelines onto docs.fedoraproject.org[0].
> If you find any error or would like to change something, don't hesitate to
> open ticket or submit pull request for packaging committee repo[1].
>

This is great, welcome to the Docs!

I can see a lot of feedback in this thread. I might not be the fastest, but
I'll definitely  catch up with it all and see what I can do. Thanks all!


>
> Thanks for attention!
>
>
> [0] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/
> [1] https://pagure.io/packaging-committee
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread John Florian

On 2018-10-01 10:51, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:

I think we instead should make sure that all docs under docs.fp.o
contain good links to those pages on the wiki.


And conversely, shouldn't 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines be telling viewers 
they now need to go to docs.fp.o?

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
Indeed, asciidoctor works a bit better than asciidoc does but still
converts quickly.  It's actually in the "rubygem-asciidoctor" package.

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 20:00, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

"BP" == Björn Persson  writes:


BP> This was on Fedora 27. So one needs Fedora 28 to help fixing the
BP> formatting of the guidelines then? (Once that other breakage is
BP> fixed I suppose?)

I believe one could build the antora stack from scratch instead of using
a container.  I would hope it wouldn't require F28 to do so, but it's
still way too high of a barrier.

BP> Yeah, no I don't think I'm going to run any document conversion
BP> programs as root.

You certainly shouldn't have to.  The problem is making it look like it
looks on the web site, since I guess the markup itself is dependent on
stylesheets and extra information which isn't actually included in the
documents.

For a single page, though, it seems that you can get a reasonable
interpretation merely by installing asciidoc and running "asciidoc
foo.adoc".  That will spit out foo.html which you can open in a local
browser.  That's what I've been doing, but unfortunately it doesn't give
me the same results.  For example, it doesn't appear to handle the
`+whatever+` syntax properly and inserts the literal plusses in the
output while the antora-generated version doesn't.  I do not know why.

BP> I'm getting the impression that you're shooting mosquitoes with a
BP> cannon.

Plain asciidoc is the lightest weight solution I've found so far.  Maybe
someone knows some magic that could be passed to asciidoc or another
converter which is actually part of the distribution which could be used
for at least a more consistent previous.


For what's it work, I had a good experience with asciidoctor, although I 
haven't tried to use it on our guidelines yet.


$ sudo dnf install asciidoctor

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Fedora Infrastructure Planned Outage 2018-10-03

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
tl;dr: All Fedora Infrastructure systems will be updated and rebooted
over this week.

Systems that can be done outside of the planned outage.
2018-10-01 21:00 UTC Staging and downloads
2018-10-02 throughout the 'day' single proxies will be updated/rebooted.
2018-10-03 production systems including all build servers will be rebooted.

===  Planned Outage - Build/Production - 2018-10-03 21:00 UTC

There will be an outage starting at 2018-10-03 21:00 UTC,
which will last approximately 4 hours.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:

date -d '2018-10-03 21:00UTC'

Reason for outage:

Various kernel, library, and general security updates need to be
applied to all servers. Due to the kernel, glibc, and other updates..
all systems will be rebooted afterwords

Affected Services:

All build, production and related services will be affected.

Ticket Link:

https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7272

Please join #fedora-admin or #fedora-noc on irc.freenode.net
or add comments to the ticket for this outage above.

 Reply


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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "BP" == Björn Persson  writes:

BP> This was on Fedora 27. So one needs Fedora 28 to help fixing the
BP> formatting of the guidelines then? (Once that other breakage is
BP> fixed I suppose?)

I believe one could build the antora stack from scratch instead of using
a container.  I would hope it wouldn't require F28 to do so, but it's
still way too high of a barrier.

BP> Yeah, no I don't think I'm going to run any document conversion
BP> programs as root.

You certainly shouldn't have to.  The problem is making it look like it
looks on the web site, since I guess the markup itself is dependent on
stylesheets and extra information which isn't actually included in the
documents.

For a single page, though, it seems that you can get a reasonable
interpretation merely by installing asciidoc and running "asciidoc
foo.adoc".  That will spit out foo.html which you can open in a local
browser.  That's what I've been doing, but unfortunately it doesn't give
me the same results.  For example, it doesn't appear to handle the
`+whatever+` syntax properly and inserts the literal plusses in the
output while the antora-generated version doesn't.  I do not know why.

BP> I'm getting the impression that you're shooting mosquitoes with a
BP> cannon.

Plain asciidoc is the lightest weight solution I've found so far.  Maybe
someone knows some magic that could be passed to asciidoc or another
converter which is actually part of the distribution which could be used
for at least a more consistent previous.

I'm extremely dissatisfied at the way this has been handled and wish I'd
had sufficient free time to find some of these issues before this was
implemented, but at the time I didn't and now it seems that the only way
out is forward.

 - J<
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Re: Could not execute new_sources: Fail to upload files. Server returns status 403

2018-10-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 09/30/2018 07:25 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 30.9.2018 14:23, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>> Got this when I run `fedpkg new-sources`.
>>
>> $ fedpkg --release master new-sources wheel-0.32.0.tar.gz
>> Could not execute new_sources: Fail to upload files. Server returns
>> status 403
>>
>> What do i need to do?
>>
>> I've rekinited, I've rerun `fedora-packager-setup`, `fedora-cert`
>> tells me it's not needed any more.
>>
>> Is there something more I should do?
> 
> It works now.

In case anyone is curious... this issue happened because:

Our ansible playbooks for that host for some reason have 'state=latest'
for the 'dist-git' package that provides the upload.cgi.
I was running all our playbooks to ensure everything was in sync and it
upgraded that and broke it. We have determined what in the upgrade broke
things and submitted a PR to fix it for the next release, and I have
changed our playbook to only require the package be 'present'.

Sorry for the hassles.

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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Björn Persson
Igor Gnatenko  wrote:
> Seems that podman is broken (it is also broken for tibbs in some other
> way), this is really sad.  Just wondering which version of fedora you are
> running and is there really no package called "slirp4netns" (I can see it
> in F28/F29/F30).

This was on Fedora 27. So one needs Fedora 28 to help fixing the
formatting of the guidelines then? (Once that other breakage is fixed I
suppose?)

> I'm sorry to hear this, try using `sudo docker` in Make file instead of
> `podman`. Reason I choose to use podman is that you don't have to be root
> in order to run it.

Yeah, no I don't think I'm going to run any document conversion
programs as root.

I'm getting the impression that you're shooting mosquitoes with a
cannon. I wasn't trying to set up a mirror of the website or anything.
I just wanted to preview the result of my edits. "If I change the .adoc
file like this, does it cause the desired change to the HTML code?"
That was all I needed to know. It can hardly be necessary to mess with
containers just to convert a document from one markup language to
another.

Björn Persson


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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 18:29, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 1.10.2018 17:55, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

"SJS" == Stephen John Smoogen  writes:

SJS> What packages? And where are they depending on it?

I believe the underlying issue is that previously the Fedora
python-matplotib package produced both python2 and python3 subpackages.
But recently it dropped support for python2.


Yes.


What I don't understand is:

1) Why my access was removed from the package and set to 'orphan'.
There is no separate set of permissions for EPEL branches but I'd think
that the new Fedora maintainer would have been simply added to the list
of admins.


I haven't in any way removed you form the package. I simply followed 
this procedure:


1. package review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630799

2. requesting a dist-git repo: 
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/8211


3. the repo exists, unretire on Fedora: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7826

("It doesn't really exist in EPEL; the current EPEL package is just a 
stub that depends on python-matplotlib. The Fedora package will be a 
completely different thing. There shouldn't be any conflict between them.")


So apparently, this is where you were removed, because I wrote:

> FAS username of the new maintainer? churchyard

And that simply meant "replace current main admin with me".

This was certainly not intended. I've also cced you in the request so 
you are aware of the unretirement. Neither of us noticed the consequence.


4. imported with history 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python2-matplotlib/pull-request/1


5. built

6. announced 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/PWZLITS74FYXASZGDF4W7G7LNJNYY4H5/ 



7. orphaned when I no longer wanted to maintain it. no other maintainers 
were present at this point.


Note that at the point, I haven't noticed that this is weird. I should 
have. I've only seen it as an action that removes me.




If at any point of the process you got kicked out of the package, this 
was certainly not my intent.



2) Why a package was added and then immediately orphaned.  In an attempt
to clean up the mess I'm told that there's now a six week period of time
during which the package has to stay live.  So this package was imported
with no expectation that it would be maintained only to start some
running clock.  And for the duration of that clock, I get to keep the
mess by default?


The package was added because it was needed. It was orphaned because I 
don't want to maintain it. Or do I have to maintain the package for ever 
juts because I've put it in there? What's the difference between 
orphaning it 1 week after introducing it, 1 year or a decade?


My idea and motivation here was that somebody who needs it will take it.
I've tried. Nobody wanted it. I've orphaned it, hoping that once it 
appears in the "orphaned packages in need for maintainers" announcement, 
somebody will take it.


The "mess" was not "yours" to keep. There was never any mess in the EPEL 
branch(es). The only mess that exists now is that the package was 
retired and things will start FTBFS and have broken deps (on Fedora), 
how can we sort this mess out, I have no idea. Certainly we can unretire 
it, but I won't do it just to have it retired again as a mess that needs 
to get out.



I'm rather unhappy about this.  I had previously raised my objection to
this and requested coordination in this FESCo comment:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970#comment-532232 but it appears to have
happened anyway.


I haven't read that as objection. I've understand it as confusion.
You've asked to tell you if there is somebody to give this package to. 
There is nobody. Nobody wants it.


Also, in the releng ticket you've pointed out that this will in no way 
clash with the EPEL package. Yet now it seems you retired the package 
only because you are the maintainer of the EPEL package (or at least you 
should have remained the maintainer).


I don't understand what I've done wrong. I think that every maintainer 
has a right to orphan a package at any time.


On the other hand, just retiring a package that other packages depend on 
seems like a weird way of dealing with a problem.


I'm sorry that you were removed form the package. It was not by my 
action. It might have been a side effect of the unretirement (I haven't 
anticipated that side effect).


I'm very sorry that you feel like I went behind your back and like I did 
a wrong thing here. This was no trick, this was no calculated move to 
strip the package from you or to create a pressure on some other 
packagers. This was a simple scenario:


* split a package into two halves
* orphan one of the halves that I don't want to maintain

In fact, I was planning to this for python-SecretStorage as well. Should 
I rather not? What should be the correct way of doing this?


And what shall happen with python2-matplotlib in Fedora?


Proposal:

We revert the "Undo the mess that 

Taskotron and test dependencies

2018-10-01 Thread Raphael Groner
Hi,

naive noob question: Is it possible to execute scripts with taskotron to 
download 3rd-party dependencies e.g. with pip from PyPi? I tend to say that 
it's not worth to package simple test libraries with all the dependency hell 
behind. Those dependencies are not required for normal runtime functionality.

Regards, Raphael
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Re: Resurrection of the NeuroFedora SIG

2018-10-01 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 18:04:56 +0300, Cătălin George Feștilă wrote:
> Good to know. 
> A good article post at Fedora Magazin will be more useful.


Thanks!  I intend to write a post on the community blog but I'm not sure
if NeuroFedora is mature enough to advertise to users on the magazine
just yet.

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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 17:55, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

"SJS" == Stephen John Smoogen  writes:
  
SJS> What packages? And where are they depending on it?


I believe the underlying issue is that previously the Fedora
python-matplotib package produced both python2 and python3 subpackages.
But recently it dropped support for python2.


Yes.


What I don't understand is:

1) Why my access was removed from the package and set to 'orphan'.
There is no separate set of permissions for EPEL branches but I'd think
that the new Fedora maintainer would have been simply added to the list
of admins.


I haven't in any way removed you form the package. I simply followed 
this procedure:


1. package review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1630799

2. requesting a dist-git repo: 
https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/8211


3. the repo exists, unretire on Fedora: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7826

("It doesn't really exist in EPEL; the current EPEL package is just a 
stub that depends on python-matplotlib. The Fedora package will be a 
completely different thing. There shouldn't be any conflict between them.")


4. imported with history 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python2-matplotlib/pull-request/1


5. built

6. announced 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/PWZLITS74FYXASZGDF4W7G7LNJNYY4H5/


7. orphaned when I no longer wanted to maintain it. no other maintainers 
were present at this point.


If at any point of the process you got kicked out of the package, this 
was certainly not my intent.



2) Why a package was added and then immediately orphaned.  In an attempt
to clean up the mess I'm told that there's now a six week period of time
during which the package has to stay live.  So this package was imported
with no expectation that it would be maintained only to start some
running clock.  And for the duration of that clock, I get to keep the
mess by default?


The package was added because it was needed. It was orphaned because I 
don't want to maintain it. Or do I have to maintain the package for ever 
juts because I've put it in there? What's the difference between 
orphaning it 1 week after introducing it, 1 year or a decade?


My idea and motivation here was that somebody who needs it will take it.
I've tried. Nobody wanted it. I've orphaned it, hoping that once it 
appears in the "orphaned packages in need for maintainers" announcement, 
somebody will take it.


The "mess" was not "yours" to keep. There was never any mess in the EPEL 
branch(es). The only mess that exists now is that the package was 
retired and things will start FTBFS and have broken deps (on Fedora), 
how can we sort this mess out, I have no idea. Certainly we can unretire 
it, but I won't do it just to have it retired again as a mess that needs 
to get out.



I'm rather unhappy about this.  I had previously raised my objection to
this and requested coordination in this FESCo comment:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970#comment-532232 but it appears to have
happened anyway.


I haven't read that as objection. I've understand it as confusion.
You've asked to tell you if there is somebody to give this package to. 
There is nobody. Nobody wants it.


Also, in the releng ticket you've pointed out that this will in no way 
clash with the EPEL package. Yet now it seems you retired the package 
only because you are the maintainer of the EPEL package (or at least you 
should have remained the maintainer).


I don't understand what I've done wrong. I think that every maintainer 
has a right to orphan a package at any time.


On the other hand, just retiring a package that other packages depend on 
seems like a weird way of dealing with a problem.


I'm sorry that you were removed form the package. It was not by my 
action. It might have been a side effect of the unretirement (I haven't 
anticipated that side effect).


I'm very sorry that you feel like I went behind your back and like I did 
a wrong thing here. This was no trick, this was no calculated move to 
strip the package from you or to create a pressure on some other 
packagers. This was a simple scenario:


* split a package into two halves
* orphan one of the halves that I don't want to maintain

In fact, I was planning to this for python-SecretStorage as well. Should 
I rather not? What should be the correct way of doing this?


And what shall happen with python2-matplotlib in Fedora?

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Summary and minutes for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-10-01)

2018-10-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Meeting started by zbyszek at 15:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-10-01/fesco.2018-10-01-15.00.log.html
.

Meeting summary
---
* init process  (zbyszek, 15:00:20)

* #1974 Problematic blocker for F29: dnf 'offline' module tracking
  (zbyszek, 15:02:07)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974   (zbyszek, 15:02:13)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974#comment-534269 for any
looking for the link  (nirik, 15:43:06)
  * AGREED: We table this for a week to give modularity+dnf folks time
to discuss and respond to the proposed requirement. We will revisit
next meeting. (+6, 0, 0)  (zbyszek, 15:54:31)
  * proposal for requirements for DNF behaviour at GA:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974#comment-534269  (zbyszek,
15:54:34)
  * given time constraints, we ask for the discussion to start now
(zbyszek, 15:54:37)

* #1927 F29 Self Contained Change: Origin 3.10  (zbyszek, 15:54:58)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1927   (zbyszek, 15:54:58)
  * AGREED: The update of the Change from 3.10 to 3.11 is approved (+7,
0, 0)  (zbyszek, 15:56:57)

* Next week's chair  (zbyszek, 15:57:21)
  * ACTION: jforbes will chair next meeting  (zbyszek, 15:57:58)

* Open Floor  (zbyszek, 15:58:03)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970   (smooge, 15:58:33)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970#comment-532232   (tibbs,
16:02:53)

Meeting ended at 16:18:08 UTC.

Action Items

* jforbes will chair next meeting

People Present (lines said)
---
* sgallagh (85)
* zbyszek (64)
* bowlofeggs (55)
* contyk (44)
* nirik (26)
* zodbot (15)
* smooge (14)
* jforbes (10)
* tibbs (8)
* adamw (3)
* maxamillion (3)
* jcajka (1)
* tyll (0)
* jsmith (0)

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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "SJS" == Stephen John Smoogen  writes:
 
SJS> What packages? And where are they depending on it?

I believe the underlying issue is that previously the Fedora
python-matplotib package produced both python2 and python3 subpackages.
But recently it dropped support for python2.

What I don't understand is:

1) Why my access was removed from the package and set to 'orphan'.
There is no separate set of permissions for EPEL branches but I'd think
that the new Fedora maintainer would have been simply added to the list
of admins.

2) Why a package was added and then immediately orphaned.  In an attempt
to clean up the mess I'm told that there's now a six week period of time
during which the package has to stay live.  So this package was imported
with no expectation that it would be maintained only to start some
running clock.  And for the duration of that clock, I get to keep the
mess by default?

I'm rather unhappy about this.  I had previously raised my objection to
this and requested coordination in this FESCo comment:
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1970#comment-532232 but it appears to have
happened anyway.

 - J<
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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 11:36, Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 1.10.2018 17:32, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >> "MH" == Miro Hrončok  writes:
> >
> > MH> I've orphaned python2-matplotlib.  Nobody replied to my previous
> > MH> heads up e-mails.
> >
> > So that nobody is confused by this, the python2-matplotlib package was
> > previously an EPEL-only stub package maintained by me that existed so
> > packagers could simply depend on python2-matplotlib in both Fedora and
> > EPEL.  (See
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/EPELPythonStubPackages.)  The
> > orphaning of this package had the result of removing my access from the
> > package entirely, on all branches.
> >
> > Fortunately I have sufficient privileges so I gave access back to
> > myself, and then removed everything which was checked into HEAD and went
> > back to the original dead.package file with "This is an EPEL-only
> > package."
>
> Could you please explain why did you do that?
>
> I've orphaned that package (as I don't have desire to take care of it),

Why was it your package? It was originally tibbs.

> but it certainly does not deserve retirement (aka somebody should
> hopefully take it).
>
> There are packages depending on it.

What packages? And where are they depending on it?

This was supposed to be an EPEL only package so they should only be
EPEL packages which depend on it. If there are packages in other trees
depending on it, then how because it should not have been built for
it.


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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Miro Hrončok

On 1.10.2018 17:32, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

"MH" == Miro Hrončok  writes:


MH> I've orphaned python2-matplotlib.  Nobody replied to my previous
MH> heads up e-mails.

So that nobody is confused by this, the python2-matplotlib package was
previously an EPEL-only stub package maintained by me that existed so
packagers could simply depend on python2-matplotlib in both Fedora and
EPEL.  (See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/EPELPythonStubPackages.)  The
orphaning of this package had the result of removing my access from the
package entirely, on all branches.

Fortunately I have sufficient privileges so I gave access back to
myself, and then removed everything which was checked into HEAD and went
back to the original dead.package file with "This is an EPEL-only
package."  


Could you please explain why did you do that?

I've orphaned that package (as I don't have desire to take care of it), 
but it certainly does not deserve retirement (aka somebody should 
hopefully take it).


There are packages depending on it.

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Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "MH" == Miro Hrončok  writes:

MH> I've orphaned python2-matplotlib.  Nobody replied to my previous
MH> heads up e-mails.

So that nobody is confused by this, the python2-matplotlib package was
previously an EPEL-only stub package maintained by me that existed so
packagers could simply depend on python2-matplotlib in both Fedora and
EPEL.  (See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/EPELPythonStubPackages.)  The
orphaning of this package had the result of removing my access from the
package entirely, on all branches.

Fortunately I have sufficient privileges so I gave access back to
myself, and then removed everything which was checked into HEAD and went
back to the original dead.package file with "This is an EPEL-only
package."  I cannot remove the errant F29 branch which was created but I
will try to get it all blocked the way it was previously.

 - J<
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Re: Resurrection of the NeuroFedora SIG

2018-10-01 Thread Cătălin George Feștilă
Good to know.
A good article post at Fedora Magazin will be more useful.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 4:24 PM Ankur Sinha  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/NeuroFedora
>
> I've recently resurrected the NeuroFedora SIG. Many thanks to Igor and
> the others who'd worked on it in the past and have given us a firm base
> to build on.
>
> The goal
> -
>
> The (current) goal of the NeuroFedora SIG is to make Fedora an easy to
> use platform for neuroscientists.
>
> Neuroscience is an extremely multidisciplinary field. It brings together
> mathematicians, chemists, biologists, physicists, psychologists,
> engineers (electrical and others) computer scientists and more. A
> lot of software is used nowadays in Neuroscience:
>
> - data collection, analysis, and sharing
> - lots of image processing (a lot of ML is used here, think Data Science)
> - simulation of brain networks (https://neuron.yale.edu/neuron/,
>   http://nest-simulator.org/)
> - dissemination of scientific results (peer reviewed and otherwise,
>   think LaTeX)
>
> https://github.com/asoplata/open-computational-neuroscience-resources/
> provides a great overview of the computational side of neuroscience. It
> isn't just about understanding how the brain functions, we also want to
> understand how it processes information---how it "computes".
>
> (Some of you will already be aware of the Human Brain Project, a
> flagship EU project: https://www.humanbrainproject.eu/en/)
>
> Now, given that a large proportion of neuroscientists are not trained
> in computer science, a lot of time and effort is spent setting up
> systems, installing software (often from source). This can be hard for
> people not well-versed in build systems and so on.
>
> So, at NeuroFedora, we will try provide a ready to use Fedora based
> system for neuroscientists to work with, so they can quickly get their
> environment set up and work on the science.
>
>
> Please join us!
> ---
>
> If you are interested in neuroscience, please consider joining the SIG.
> Packaging software is only *one* way in which one can contribute.
> Writing docs and answering questions about the software in NeuroFedora
> are other ways too, for example.
>
> You can get in touch with us here:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/NeuroFedora#Communication_and_getting_help
>
> What's in it for you?
> -
>
> In general, it will increase your awareness of neuroscience (which is a
> fascinating field---but of course, I am biased). We also hope to use the
> Fedora classroom sessions to host beginner level classes on using the
> software we package. If you'd like to get into neuroscience research
> work, it's an excellent opportunity to learn.
>
> Fedora and Science
> ---
>
> In general, furthering Open Science is quite in line with our goals of
> further FOSS---Open science shares the philosophy of FOSS. The data, the
> tools, the results, should be accessible to all to understand, use,
> learn from, and develop.
>
> I've just written to the Mindshare team asking if we can get the various
> Science related SIGs together and do more. You can find my e-mail here:
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/mindsh...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7UYIFRQGZI5O4KNTVOGSG7Y4MYJKI57O/
>
> Please feel free to join the discussion.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Regards,
>
> Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
> Time zone: Europe/London
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 09:47:37AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > "AS" == Ankur Sinha  writes:
> 
> AS> Thank you---that's really neat!  Would other relatively static pages
> AS> such as these also be migrated?
> 
> Those are outside the scope of the packaging committee.  They could
> certainly be migrated in a similar fashion, but they wouldn't live in
> the packaging committee's repository and I don't think the packaging
> committee would be the entity that would initiate such a move.
> 
> Personally I believe that the pages you mention are not static at all
> and are better located where they can be edited by the community, and
> that's exactly what the wiki is for.  The new format far better fits the
> packaging guidelines where edits were restricted.

+1

I think we instead should make sure that all docs under docs.fp.o
contain good links to those pages on the wiki.

Zbyszek
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Re: Fedora Packaging Guidelines on docs.fedoraproject.org

2018-10-01 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "AS" == Ankur Sinha  writes:

AS> Thank you---that's really neat!  Would other relatively static pages
AS> such as these also be migrated?

Those are outside the scope of the packaging committee.  They could
certainly be migrated in a similar fashion, but they wouldn't live in
the packaging committee's repository and I don't think the packaging
committee would be the entity that would initiate such a move.

Personally I believe that the pages you mention are not static at all
and are better located where they can be edited by the community, and
that's exactly what the wiki is for.  The new format far better fits the
packaging guidelines where edits were restricted.

 - J<
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Re: fedpkg clone doesn*t work

2018-10-01 Thread Martin Gansser
problem solved for my by adding the rsa key in paguera, 
now i have access in fedorapeople also.
https://docs.pagure.org/pagure/usage/first_steps.html
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Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-10-01)

2018-10-01 Thread Jared K. Smith
I'm in meetings all day today and will be unable to attend the FESCo
meeting.  I'll attempt to vote in all the tickets in today's agenda.

--
Jared Smith

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:09 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:

> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
> FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>
> or run:
>   date -d '2018-10-01 15:00 UTC'
>
>
> Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> = Followups =
>
> #topic #1974 Problematic blocker for F29: dnf 'offline' module tracking
> .fesco 1974
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974
>
> #topic #1927 F29 Self Contained Change: Origin 3.10
> .fesco 1927
> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1927
>
> = Open Floor =
>
> For more complete details, please visit each individual issue. The
> report of the agenda items can be found at
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>
> If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
> this e-mail, file a new issue at https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me
> directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open
> floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the
> following meeting.
>
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Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2018-10-01)

2018-10-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2018-10-01 15:00 UTC'


Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at: 
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1974 Problematic blocker for F29: dnf 'offline' module tracking 
.fesco 1974
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1974

#topic #1927 F29 Self Contained Change: Origin 3.10
.fesco 1927
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1927

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual issue. The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new issue at https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me
directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open
floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the
following meeting.

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Re: Non-responsive maintainer for python-dateutil

2018-10-01 Thread Benjamin Kircher


> On 1. Oct 2018, at 12:00, Emmanuel Seyman  wrote:
> 
> * Joseph D. Wagner [01/10/2018 02:47] :
>> 
>> Per policy for non-responsive maintainers
>> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers)
> 
> Folks, when you're asking us if anyone knows how to contact the maintainer,
> you might want to consider actually giving us his name (both real and FAS).
> 
>> There has been an outstanding update request since March 24, 2018.
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1560212
> 
> As noted two weeks ago, Haïkel is highly availible by private email and IRC
> and is very supportive of anyone wanting to co-maintain packages with him.
> 
> Emmanuel


If a co-maintainer is desperately needed here, I can step in. I have same 
dependencies of my own that need python-dateutil.

Feel free to contact me, FAS account is bkircher.

BK
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Re: Non-responsive maintainer for python-dateutil

2018-10-01 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Joseph D. Wagner [01/10/2018 02:47] :
>
> Per policy for non-responsive maintainers
> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers)

Folks, when you're asking us if anyone knows how to contact the maintainer,
you might want to consider actually giving us his name (both real and FAS).

> There has been an outstanding update request since March 24, 2018.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1560212

As noted two weeks ago, Haïkel is highly availible by private email and IRC
and is very supportive of anyone wanting to co-maintain packages with him.

Emmanuel
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Non-responsive maintainer for python-dateutil

2018-10-01 Thread Joseph D. Wagner
Per policy for non-responsive maintainers 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers)


There has been an outstanding update request since March 24, 2018.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1560212

Joseph D. Wagner
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Re: Running a test from dist-git

2018-10-01 Thread Miroslav Vadkerti
Hi,

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:32 PM Richard W.M. Jones 
wrote:

> As directed by:
>
>   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CI/Tests
>
> I tried to add a test to libguestfs dist-git:
>
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/libguestfs/blob/master/f/tests/tests.yml
>
> It's very simple initially.  It just needs to run
> ‘libguestfs-test-tool’ (a program installed by the libguestfs package
> which does some self-tests).  Ideally as non-root, but I think I've
> set it up to run as root to start with.
>

Cool :)



>
> I did a scratch build initially, but it seems like the tests only run
> from what's been pushed to dist-git.


That is correct. Tests are not bundled into the src.rpm.


>   In any case the test didn't look
> as if it had run.  So I pushed the test to dist-git -- see above --
> and did another scratch build.  However I've still no real idea if the
> test really ran.
>
> I got an email containing this link:
>
>
> https://jenkins-continuous-infra.apps.ci.centos.org/blue/organizations/jenkins/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/detail/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/846/pipeline/


Nice, seems fedora notifications works again :)


>
>
> which looks like there are lots of failures, but it's also not clear
> if the test ran / tried to run / didn't run / if this link has nothing
> to do tests.
>

Yeah, sorry for that, must have been som outage. I agree seeing that is not
very helpful, to somebody
not experienced in the CI pipeline. Also rescheduling anything else as a
pull-request testing is
not easily possible currently :( In the future this should be possible via
fedpkg.


>
> So, that was the end of my experiment.  Not a very good result :-(
>

For this time I rescheduled the run:


https://jenkins-continuous-infra.apps.ci.centos.org/blue/organizations/jenkins/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/detail/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/850/pipeline

Seems it will end up with something more meaningful this time ...

HTH,
/M



>
> Rich.
>
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> bindings from many languages.  http://libguestfs.org
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Fedora Rawhide-20180930.n.0 compose check report

2018-10-01 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images.

Failed openQA tests: 32/133 (x86_64), 2/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm)

New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20180924.n.2):

ID: 287032  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287032
ID: 287035  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287035
ID: 287053  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso modularity_tests
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287053
ID: 287060  Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287060
ID: 287063  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso desktop_notifications_live
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287063
ID: 287064  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287064
ID: 287065  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287065
ID: 287077  Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso memory_check@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287077
ID: 287078  Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287078
ID: 287079  Test: i386 Workstation-live-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287079
ID: 287082  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287082
ID: 287085  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287085
ID: 287095  Test: i386 KDE-live-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287095
ID: 287099  Test: x86_64 AtomicHost-dvd_ostree-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287099
ID: 287100  Test: x86_64 universal install_sata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287100
ID: 287102  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_btrfs@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287102
ID: 287103  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_no_swap@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287103
ID: 287104  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_xfs@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287104
ID: 287105  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_software_raid@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287105
ID: 287106  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_pata@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287106
ID: 287121  Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_free_space@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287121
ID: 287122  Test: x86_64 universal install_delete_partial@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287122
ID: 287123  Test: x86_64 universal install_btrfs@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287123
ID: 287124  Test: x86_64 universal install_ext3@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287124
ID: 287125  Test: x86_64 universal install_xfs@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287125
ID: 287131  Test: x86_64 universal install_lvmthin@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287131
ID: 287135  Test: x86_64 universal install_no_swap@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287135
ID: 287155  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287155
ID: 287160  Test: x86_64 universal install_simple_encrypted@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287160
ID: 287161  Test: x86_64 universal install_multi_empty@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287161
ID: 287162  Test: x86_64 universal install_software_raid@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287162
ID: 287168  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_ext3@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287168
ID: 287169  Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_lvmthin@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287169

Old failures (same test failed in Rawhide-20180924.n.2):

ID: 287096  Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287096
ID: 287148  Test: x86_64 universal install_repository_http_variation
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287148

Soft failed openQA tests: 1/133 (x86_64), 2/24 (i386)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)

Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Rawhide-20180924.n.2):

ID: 287058  Test: i386 Server-boot-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287058
ID: 287059  Test: i386 Server-dvd-iso install_default
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287059
ID: 287109  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_domain_controller
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/287109

Passed openQA tests: 81/133 (x86_64), 20/24 (i386)

New passes (same test did not pass in Rawhide-20180924.n.2):

ID: 287031  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install